Post by: fatboycarney on Sun, 12 April 2020, 00:40:55
Group Buy thread open. This thread locked now
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=107806.0
Salvuns Announced
304 Stainless meticulously machined, finished and beadblasted in Salvuns lair then laser polished to make for the must have companion to your KAT Iron kits of choice
Both R4 and R5 will be available.
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Pricing
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Hello Geekhack
I hope everyone is staying safe and healthy during these unprecedented times.
This is the IC for my next set but this time I am changing it up and giving KAT a go, and with that I introduce you to
KAT Iron
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Inspiration
Well it seems I like elements of the periodic table, After finishing up the GMK Copper GB, I played around with some colours for my next set but got pulled back into elements and metal. Iron is extremely interesting, of the utmost importance in human history and since when trying to match its likeness with plastic poses a bit of a problem, which in my mind could be solved using a gradient. This allowed to show either the different colours that iron/steel can appear in varying forms and light. However I love the effect of oxidation, with optional hints of rust, or a full on rust layout you get what I believe to be a very verstatile, interesting set in a profile that offers a wide range of kits for the wide range of boards available. Continuing to expand on this, I love being able to tie seemingly unrelated things into a overarching theme. Using influences in Biology, Chemistry, and human history a range of mini-themes emerged under the larger umbrella of a simple, amazing element.
With the kit flexibility that comes with KAT, I wanted to have an alternate alphas that fit the theme, after looking at a few options I came across the Phoenician alphabet, which fit perfetly as its origin came about in the early Iron age of history. It spread throughout the Mediterranean world and was adopted by many cultures. And it just looks amazing IMHO.
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Kits Major updates to the kits are complete
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Phoenician Alphas
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The making of the Phoenician Alphas
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The Phoenician Alphas was a collaboration between JSaintS, myself and Manzel, with additional input from konstantin in this thread. I wanted to provide some
details on the extended thought process by Manzel on filling in the gaps in a number of the letters. Its quite amazing!! thanks so much man!
The ones that had a clear counterpart were just used on that specific key: A, B, D, Z, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q
giml would be C or G. Since it evolved from the greek Γ, I placed it on G. Thus we were missing a C. For this, I used the old symbol, which giml was based on.
For H, there is he and het. Since the former evolved to E, this was used for E. That left het for H
waw was difficult since it evolved to F, U, V, Y, and W. Since it is called waw and also pronounced like that, I used it on W
tet went on to became the greek Θ and cyrillic Ѳ (fita). Thus I used it for F
yod could be I or J. Since there is also sade, which became the cyrillic Џ (pronounced like the beginning of jump), I used sade on J. But since yod starts with a Y, I used it as that.
For I, I modified the yod glyph and removed the tail
For S, there are samek and sin. Since the latter became our S, I used it there. And samek on X
I think, only U and V are missing now. I derived both of these from waw. For V, I just made a V. And for U, I made the top part of the Y (waw) round, which seems to be an actual step in the evolution of that letter
details on the extended thought process by Manzel on filling in the gaps in a number of the letters. Its quite amazing!! thanks so much man!
The ones that had a clear counterpart were just used on that specific key: A, B, D, Z, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q
giml would be C or G. Since it evolved from the greek Γ, I placed it on G. Thus we were missing a C. For this, I used the old symbol, which giml was based on.
For H, there is he and het. Since the former evolved to E, this was used for E. That left het for H
waw was difficult since it evolved to F, U, V, Y, and W. Since it is called waw and also pronounced like that, I used it on W
tet went on to became the greek Θ and cyrillic Ѳ (fita). Thus I used it for F
yod could be I or J. Since there is also sade, which became the cyrillic Џ (pronounced like the beginning of jump), I used sade on J. But since yod starts with a Y, I used it as that.
For I, I modified the yod glyph and removed the tail
For S, there are samek and sin. Since the latter became our S, I used it there. And samek on X
I think, only U and V are missing now. I derived both of these from waw. For V, I just made a V. And for U, I made the top part of the Y (waw) round, which seems to be an actual step in the evolution of that letter
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Novelties
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Renders by Manzel
Iron180 by Smith + Rune
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KBD19X by KBDFans
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Iron165 by Smith + Rune
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S7 elephant by jacky
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ROTR by Polarity Works rendered by panzerstadt
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Confirmed Artisan Collabs
Archetype (https://www.instagram.com/archetype_mk/)
GSK (https://www.instagram.com/goldenstar_keycap/)
latrialum (https://www.instagram.com/latrialum/)
Sodie Caps (https://www.instagram.com/sodiecaps/)
Fraktal Kaps (https://www.instagram.com/fraktal.kaps/)
lividitycaps (https://www.instagram.com/lividitycaps/)
sludgekidd (https://www.instagram.com/sludgekidd/)
Girlycaps Studios (https://www.instagram.com/girlystudios_caps/)
gothcaps (https://www.instagram.com/gothcaps/)
trmkcaps (https://www.instagram.com/trmkcaps//)
Artkey Universe (https://www.instagram.com/artkey.universe//)
RADcaps (https://www.instagram.com/radcaps_//)
Vendors
US - TX Keyboards
Canada - Deskhero
Europe - Mykeyboard
Asia - Zfrontier
Oceania - DailyClack
Ukraine,Russia and Belarus - Funkeys
Next steps
- get feedback from everywhere (Geekhack, Discord, Instagram) Got lots!!
- review any following kit changes needed
- provide new kits to Keyreative and work on getting samples
- Add more renders
- Deskmat designs
-Artisans - oh yes!!
- IC Form
- Confirm remaining proxies
Thanks
JSaintS for all the stuff he did to help me on KAT, without his help, feedback and support on the this set would never have happened. And original run at the Phoenician alphas which I think look amazing
OCM has helped me from the beginning of Copper and hasnt stopped since and look at those novelties :eek:
Manzel For the amazing renders, and for taking the Phoenician alphas to the next level without me even asking
lbaron for support and providing Iron180 files and making awesome boards!!!
Roche for all the feedback and being open to the ongoing constant harassment of looking at a new render by me
Chowbabyloving feedback on renders and always challenging new ideas!!
popkorn for agreeing to be the vendor for KAT Iron and running TX Keyboards first KAT set
jerrolds for being proxy for KAT Iron in Canada
Braxusz For the amazing Carnival logo surprise out of nowhere!!
Mek For sharing ideas and general discussions, and future collabs
The Carnival Discord for all the support and love!!
The entire community everyone here makes this so much fun!!
Dont forget to provide your
Feedback
Feedback is invaluable so putting this IC form up near the top so no one misses. Please take a second to let me know your thoughts.
https://forms.gle/uLRug9bZ3D4jDRPr6
(IC - https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=107104.0)
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Deskmats
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Confirmed Artisan Collabs
Archetype (https://www.instagram.com/archetype_mk/)
GSK (https://www.instagram.com/goldenstar_keycap/)
latrialum (https://www.instagram.com/latrialum/)
Sodie Caps (https://www.instagram.com/sodiecaps/)
Fraktal Kaps (https://www.instagram.com/fraktal.kaps/)
lividitycaps (https://www.instagram.com/lividitycaps/)
sludgekidd (https://www.instagram.com/sludgekidd/)
Girlycaps Studios (https://www.instagram.com/girlystudios_caps/)
gothcaps (https://www.instagram.com/gothcaps/)
trmkcaps (https://www.instagram.com/trmkcaps//)
Artkey Universe (https://www.instagram.com/artkey.universe//)
RADcaps (https://www.instagram.com/radcaps_//)
Vendors
US - TX Keyboards
Canada - Deskhero
Europe - Mykeyboard
Asia - Zfrontier
Oceania - DailyClack
Ukraine,Russia and Belarus - Funkeys
Next steps
- get feedback from everywhere (Geekhack, Discord, Instagram) Got lots!!
- review any following kit changes needed
- provide new kits to Keyreative and work on getting samples
- Add more renders
- Deskmat designs
-Artisans - oh yes!!
- IC Form
- Confirm remaining proxies
Thanks
JSaintS for all the stuff he did to help me on KAT, without his help, feedback and support on the this set would never have happened. And original run at the Phoenician alphas which I think look amazing
OCM has helped me from the beginning of Copper and hasnt stopped since and look at those novelties :eek:
Manzel For the amazing renders, and for taking the Phoenician alphas to the next level without me even asking
lbaron for support and providing Iron180 files and making awesome boards!!!
Roche for all the feedback and being open to the ongoing constant harassment of looking at a new render by me
Chowbabyloving feedback on renders and always challenging new ideas!!
popkorn for agreeing to be the vendor for KAT Iron and running TX Keyboards first KAT set
jerrolds for being proxy for KAT Iron in Canada
Braxusz For the amazing Carnival logo surprise out of nowhere!!
Mek For sharing ideas and general discussions, and future collabs
The Carnival Discord for all the support and love!!
The entire community everyone here makes this so much fun!!
Dont forget to provide your
Feedback
Feedback is invaluable so putting this IC form up near the top so no one misses. Please take a second to let me know your thoughts.
https://forms.gle/uLRug9bZ3D4jDRPr6
Also come to the discord and talk with other Carnival fans and discuss, request or critique the set
Join my discord server to stay up to date with the set at the Carnival
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Post by: machine yearning on Sun, 12 April 2020, 00:48:08
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Post by: tunadesu on Sun, 12 April 2020, 00:58:02
Post by: Nothatso on Sun, 12 April 2020, 01:37:39
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Sun, 12 April 2020, 01:42:21
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Post by: Mcnos on Sun, 12 April 2020, 05:40:11
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Sun, 12 April 2020, 07:07:27
Likewise the 1.5u verticals needs to be R2.
Additionally, you might want to think about which legends you’re providing in your bottom row versus the thumb cluster. The thing to keep in mind is that you don’t need more than one of a given legend in each of R1 vs. R2.
Don’t just follow prior KAT group buys. They’ve been getting it wrong.
Post by: catbus on Sun, 12 April 2020, 08:22:21
Post by: KawabataLuis on Sun, 12 April 2020, 09:22:40
BTW, I really don't know anything about the inspiration for this, but would it be possible a Phoenician enter text novelty? That would make me get the novelties kit.
Post by: DrHigsby on Sun, 12 April 2020, 11:01:40
FBC, I really liked what you did with Copper, but couldn’t swallow the price tag at the time. A KAT set is much easier to pick up as it usually costs half of a GMK core + novelties set. Running a “rusted” alphas/mods set would be a nod back towards copper.
Anyways, thanks for the consideration!
Post by: chowbabyloving on Sun, 12 April 2020, 15:04:09
I’d be interested to see “rusted” alphas and “rusted” mods that use the oxidized color. I think that would be pretty sweet.
FBC, I really liked what you did with Copper, but couldn’t swallow the price tag at the time. A KAT set is much easier to pick up as it usually costs half of a GMK core + novelties set. Running a “rusted” alphas/mods set would be a nod back towards copper.
Anyways, thanks for the consideration!
I'm hoping for phoenician sublegend alphas.
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Sun, 12 April 2020, 15:52:53
I’d be interested to see “rusted” alphas and “rusted” mods that use the oxidized color. I think that would be pretty sweet.
Would be interested in seeing too. KAT child kits make this a lot easier than GMK...
Post by: eas on Sun, 12 April 2020, 16:54:16
I'm in.
Post by: gminso on Sun, 12 April 2020, 17:09:08
if the intention is to drop ',' symbol to make alphas uniformly centered with a single symbol, maybe consider doing the same for the num row.
Post by: Rob27shred on Sun, 12 April 2020, 17:14:17
Post by: TurboGrinder on Sun, 12 April 2020, 17:29:54
The extra spacebar in the alpha kits needs to go. For anyone getting an alpha set plus a 60s/40s set, they'll end up with 3 6.25 spacebars. For people that use smaller 40s boards that don't use anything larger than a 2.75u space (myself included) it seems kind of ridiculous to pay for 18.75u worth of keycap that won't ever be used. My suggestion is to pull the spacebar from the alpha kits and only include, at most, 2 of them in the 60s/40s sets. Or better yet, don't include one in the alphas, only include one in the 60s/40s sets, and instead include one of the other color in the spacebars kit. Take a look at KAT Space Cadet as an example.
Oh, I forgot to add this to the form, but the atomic structure of a iron might be a cool novelty. A clothes iron would be funny tongue-in-cheek one too.
Post by: DrHigsby on Sun, 12 April 2020, 19:07:41
Why so many 6.25u spacebars? If I buy alphas and mods to fill say a 65%, I’m getting three 6.25u spacebars, two of which appear to be the same color. Can we remove the spacebar from the alphas kit? IMO, spacebars belong with the appropriate mods kit or if you got something snowflakey, then in the spacebars kit.
The 40s kit could use a second glance. Either split the 40s kit up into mods, black spacebars, and rusted spacebars or make the 40s kit only contain the most commonly used spacebars, such as 2x 1u, 1x 2u, 1x 2.25u, and 1x 2.75u. We drop down to 9u total length of spacebars in one color from 40u+ in two colors. I may be off base for what constitutes common 40s spacebars, but I do think there are entirely too many spacebars in the 40s kit.
Once you settle on the lengths for the black spacebars kit, please add a rusted spacebars kit.
Alice style users are missing that second B. Add that to the alphas kits or to the mods kits.
Consider adding an icon mods kit in both 40s and ortho. Similarly, why not add a text ergo kit.
Please add an “up” key in the dark gray to the ortho kit. Some of us preonic users do that.
Thanks for taking some time to read over this FBC. I understand the time and effort it takes to produce these ICs and then adapt to feedback. I look forward to how this all shakes out for Iron!
Post by: stoffelduss on Sun, 12 April 2020, 19:50:37
The kits need some work, you get duplicate backtick and backslash keys when you get regular alphas and mods. Why is there an 1u shift in the standard mods kit? The home key next to it probably wants to be an end key. Why is there a bottom row 1u fn key but no bottom row 1.25u fn key? why are there two almost identical backslashes in the ortho kit? why are code, menu, rn, raise, lower and ctrl in the ortho kit colored like they're in the second to lowest row? why does the calc kit have ins and home without del, end, pgup and pgdn? why is the num lock symbol a #?
Some more remarks: The 1.5u backspace in the regular mods schema is 1.75u in size (edit: wrong, I meant the backslash key in that kit), the regular alphas have monolegends on a few symbols, and the render labelled kbd19x is not a kbd19x (though maybe you just mean the layout)
Post by: fatboycarney on Sun, 12 April 2020, 20:59:43
To everyone who said positive things about the set, thanks so much appreciate your support.
And for all the input, this is awesome. I will be pouring over everything and looking into updates and changes.
Post by: konstantin on Sun, 12 April 2020, 23:21:26
Phoenician AlphasShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/Zt54kEH.png)
Looks like − and = are using non-shifted legends, while the rest of the punctuation keys are using shifted legends. You might want to change the = to + (the − can stay as is; it could represent an underscore as well as a minus). The question mark sticks out like a sore thumb, though, so maybe consider using / for that key, or even switching to non-shifted legends altogether.
The making of the Phoenician Alphas
The Phoenician Alphas was a collaboration between JSaintS, myself and Manzel. I wanted to provide some
details on the extended thought process by Manzel on filling in the gaps in a number of the letters. Its quite amazing!! thanks so much man!
Writing systems are a particular passion of mine, so I'm glad you included this bit! Overall you guys did a great job, but I have couple of remarks.
The first one is that you could have used the Hebrew keyboard layout (https://www.muhlenberg.edu/media/contentassets/pdf/academics/llc/online-resources/hebrew/TypingGuides_printout_HBW_layout_mac_2pg.pdf) as the starting point instead of QWERTY, since the modern Hebrew alphabet has an exact 1:1 correspondence with the Phoenician alphabet (abjad, for the grammatologically inclined among you). In fact, the Hebrew layout is exactly what's used by enthusiasts to type Phoenician, similar to how the Russian layout is used as a basis when writing Old Church Slavonic in old Cyrillic and Glagolitic.
That being said, I totally understand the desire to go with QWERTY, and that's cool. (Also, the Hebrew layout has punctuation in the Q and W spots, which isn't ideal for a e s t h e t i c s.) However, standard QWERTY-based Hebrew layouts also exist (second page in the PDF linked above), so you might want to take a look at that and adjust your design accordingly. It's already good for the most part, but some letters like tsade, tet, šin etc. would have to be moved around (though I do think your positioning is better for some of them, e.g. het).
If you don't want to do that either (which I wouldn't blame you if you didn't), I'd like to go over a few slightly more subtle points as to why I don't agree with some of your positioning, and how it can be made better. Lots of text ahead, but well worth reading:
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The ones that had a clear counterpart were just used on that specific key: A, B, D, Z, K, L, M, N, O, P, QNo issues there!
giml would be C or G. Since it evolved from the greek Γ, I placed it on G. Thus we were missing a C. For this, I used the old symbol, which giml was based on.No contention here either, at least as far as G goes. However, I believe tsade is a more appropriate symbol for C, and I'll get into why in a bit. (By the way, gamma evolved from giml, not the other way around ;))
yod could be I or J. Since there is also sade, which became the cyrillic Џ (pronounced like the beginning of jump), I used sade on J. But since yod starts with a Y, I used it as that.Now this is one (or, rather, three) that I have a problem with. As a native user of Џ (yay Serbian) and a writing system nerd, I can tell you that its derivation from tsade is very, very debatable. Although it resembles Ц (which is descended from tsade, via Hebrew צ), Џ itself comes from Ч (che, like the “ch” in “chair”) — a closely related letter and sound. In fact, it is much more likely that Ч and Џ were derived via Ҁ (koppa) from Anc.Greek qoppa and, ultimately, Phoenician qoph. (Notice the similarity in glyphs between Ч and Ҁ, and how they may be written in a similar way.) In South Slavic languages and Romanian (where Џ originated), the Џ/Ч sounds are not very closely related to Ц /ts/, but they are closely related to the /k/ sound of Ҁ. Therefore, while Ц is related to Phoenician tsade, Џ is likely not, and so the “J/jump” association is no good.
For I, I modified the yod glyph and removed the tail
What tsade is good for is the C position. Namely, that Latin letter is very often used for transcribing /ts/ sounds in various world languages, including European, Chinese and, indeed, Semitic language families (e.g. Hebrew (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_259#ISO_259-3)), which Phoenician is a part of. As a bonus, the Hebrew QWERTY layout also maps C to tsade. Therefore, I suggest using tsade for the C character, instead of the older form of gimel (which, btw, looks exactly like Hebrew waw to me).
As for I and J, the appropriate letter would obviously be yod. I don't think that yod should be used for Y, since Y comes from a different, waw background (more on that below). I suggest using yod for I, and the modified yod (without the tail) for J. That would reflect how J came to be in Latin as well — as a modified version of I. Alternatively, you can do it the other way around and use the tailless yod for I if you'd like. Either way should be fine (although I recommend the former), as long as yod is used for I and J, and not Y.
waw was difficult since it evolved to F, U, V, Y, and W. Since it is called waw and also pronounced like that, I used it on WYep, this one was bound to be tough for sure. I agree with using waw for W and tet for F (nice one with the Ѳ throwback). As for U and V, I think U should be a modified (rounded) version of the V glyph, since that's how U came to be in Latin. So how about: keeping W and U as they are (waw and rounded waw), and using the Hebrew waw glyph ((https://i.imgur.com/RjGzIKo.png), aka. your “older gimel”) for V — which actually corresponds to a /v/ sound in modern Hebrew?
tet went on to became the greek Θ and cyrillic Ѳ (fita). Thus I used it for F
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I think, only U and V are missing now. I derived both of these from waw. For V, I just made a V. And for U, I made the top part of the Y (waw) round, which seems to be an actual step in the evolution of that letter
That just leaves us with Y, which isn't yod anymore. For this one, I've got a fun suggestion: make Y also waw, but the way it evolved in Syriac and Arabic: (https://i.imgur.com/0RAgsBu.png). According to Wikipedia, it evolved from this hieroglyphic: (https://i.imgur.com/wA6UFd2.png), so you could use that as a reference too.
The rest, like het, samek and šin, I agree with. I think you're missing T in the write-up, but that one falls into the “easy” category :)
So yeah... came for the colored plastic, ended up writing an essay on writing systems. But I hope you find this information useful, and I hope you'll take it into consideration and adjust the legends accordingly. Good job on the set once again :)
Post by: fatboycarney on Sun, 12 April 2020, 23:34:30
Any renders without accents or novelties?
Will do this on next render on 60/65 percent board (which i think covers off another request)
Post by: manzel on Mon, 13 April 2020, 04:20:40
Writing systems are a particular passion of mine, so I'm glad you included this bit! Overall you guys did a great job, but I have couple of remarks.I expected you having something to say about this. Ultimately, it is fatboycarney's decision. But I wanted to add a few of my comments.
giml would be C or G. Since it evolved from the greek Γ, I placed it on G. Thus we were missing a C. For this, I used the old symbol, which giml was based on.No contention here either, at least as far as G goes. However, I believe tsade is a more appropriate symbol for C, and I'll get into why in a bit. (By the way, gamma evolved from giml, not the other way around ;))
Noticed later that I worded the bit about giml evolving badly. I meant to say that "it (G) evolved from the greek Γ, I placed it (giml) on G".
Therefore, I suggest using tsade for the C character, instead of the older form of gimel (which, btw, looks exactly like Hebrew waw to me).Can totally understand your reasoning and think that is a good idea.
As for I and J, the appropriate letter would obviously be yod. I don't think that yod should be used for Y, since Y comes from a different, waw background (more on that below). I suggest using yod for I, and the modified yod (without the tail) for J. That would reflect how J came to be in Latin as well — as a modified version of I. Alternatively, you can do it the other way around and use the tailless yod for I if you'd like. Either way should be fine (although I recommend the former), as long as yod is used for I and J, and not Y.Again, sounds good to me.
Yep, this one was bound to be tough for sure. I agree with using waw for W and tet for F (nice one with the Ѳ throwback). As for U and V, I think U should be a modified (rounded) version of the V glyph, since that's how U came to be in Latin. So how about: keeping W and U as they are (waw and rounded waw), and using the Hebrew waw glyph (I like that version. For sure better than my idea of just arbitrarily (well, almost) modifying glyphs.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/RjGzIKo.png), aka. your “older gimel”) for V — which actually corresponds to a /v/ sound in modern Hebrew?
That just leaves us with Y, which isn't yod anymore. For this one, I've got a fun suggestion: make Y also waw, but the way it evolved in Syriac and Arabic:I think I can come up with something based on Arabic/Syriac waw.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/0RAgsBu.png). According to Wikipedia, it evolved from this hieroglyphic:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/wA6UFd2.png), so you could also use that as a reference too.
I think you're missing T in the write-up, but that one falls into the “easy” category :)Dang, originally I wanted to comment on this in relation to tet, but apparently forgot. Nice spot.
Post by: harlekein on Mon, 13 April 2020, 05:05:48
I would prefer icon over text mods though. Especially for matching the alternative alphas.
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Mon, 13 April 2020, 10:51:46
Recommendations for KAT Ergo kits (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=105714.0)
You will probably need to tweak the advice in this guide a little since you're dealing with a gradient colorway, but most recommendations still apply.
Post by: konstantin on Mon, 13 April 2020, 21:26:38
I expected you having something to say about this. Ultimately, it is fatboycarney's decision. But I wanted to add a few of my comments.
[...]
Heya! Glad to hear you agree with the feedback.
I think I can come up with something based on Arabic/Syriac waw.
Looking forward to seeing what you come up with :)
Post by: fatboycarney on Mon, 13 April 2020, 23:17:08
I expected you having something to say about this. Ultimately, it is fatboycarney's decision. But I wanted to add a few of my comments.
[...]
Heya! Glad to hear you agree with the feedback.I think I can come up with something based on Arabic/Syriac waw.
Looking forward to seeing what you come up with :)
Yes thanks very much for the feedback konstantin, manzel and I discussed and you should see an update soon! :thumb:
Post by: Sneetzle on Wed, 15 April 2020, 04:18:12
Suggestion: leave the atom weight off and center the Fe26 on the key like the rest of the legends.
Also I don't think the Eiffel tower fits the theme well (swords, Phoenicia).
Post by: D3LTA on Wed, 15 April 2020, 07:40:57
Phoenician alphas, split 40s/ortho kit makes this a no brainer for me. I love it!
I would prefer icon over text mods though. Especially for matching the alternative alphas.
I have the same feedback as harlekein. I think the Phoenician alphas are awesome, and very unique. But pairing them with the current ortho/40s mods just wouldn't match visually. Therefore, personally I would love to see an Ortho Icon Mods kit, and I think that 40s users would benefit from a similar 40s Icon Mods kit.
Post by: harlekein on Wed, 15 April 2020, 07:46:37
Phoenician alphas, split 40s/ortho kit makes this a no brainer for me. I love it!
I would prefer icon over text mods though. Especially for matching the alternative alphas.
I have the same feedback as harlekein. I think the Phoenician alphas are awesome, and very unique. But pairing them with the current ortho/40s mods just wouldn't match visually. Therefore, personally I would love to see an Ortho Icon Mods kit, and I think that 40s users would benefit from a similar 40s Icon Mods kit.
If it's a problem running both kits in text and mods, please make a poll. It could be I'm the minority, but I'd rather see text mods ditched in favor of icon mods.
Post by: fatboycarney on Wed, 15 April 2020, 08:32:56
Phoenician alphas, split 40s/ortho kit makes this a no brainer for me. I love it!
I would prefer icon over text mods though. Especially for matching the alternative alphas.
I have the same feedback as harlekein. I think the Phoenician alphas are awesome, and very unique. But pairing them with the current ortho/40s mods just wouldn't match visually. Therefore, personally I would love to see an Ortho Icon Mods kit, and I think that 40s users would benefit from a similar 40s Icon Mods kit.
Phoenician alphas, split 40s/ortho kit makes this a no brainer for me. I love it!
I would prefer icon over text mods though. Especially for matching the alternative alphas.
I have the same feedback as harlekein. I think the Phoenician alphas are awesome, and very unique. But pairing them with the current ortho/40s mods just wouldn't match visually. Therefore, personally I would love to see an Ortho Icon Mods kit, and I think that 40s users would benefit from a similar 40s Icon Mods kit.
If it's a problem running both kits in text and mods, please make a poll. It could be I'm the minority, but I'd rather see text mods ditched in favor of icon mods.
Agreed with you both Icons coming soon :thumb: Thanks for the interest and the feedback!
Post by: Nim on Wed, 15 April 2020, 20:41:58
Post by: fatboycarney on Thu, 16 April 2020, 10:06:10
Porphyrin ring novelty?
Yes :eek:
Post by: fatboycarney on Thu, 16 April 2020, 10:09:36
I’d be interested to see “rusted” alphas and “rusted” mods that use the oxidized color. I think that would be pretty sweet.
FBC, I really liked what you did with Copper, but couldn’t swallow the price tag at the time. A KAT set is much easier to pick up as it usually costs half of a GMK core + novelties set. Running a “rusted” alphas/mods set would be a nod back towards copper.
Anyways, thanks for the consideration!
I’d be interested to see “rusted” alphas and “rusted” mods that use the oxidized color. I think that would be pretty sweet.
Would be interested in seeing too. KAT child kits make this a lot easier than GMK...
Thanks for the comments, and yes the kitting makes this much easier. I have done a lot of considering on this and even ran some of my "hack" renders to see what it looks like, it really takes a way from the gradient and looks off from the feeling of the set. I am hesitant to add this but wanted to get a bit more into your thinking, and of course I am a sucker for the callback to Copper.
One question though were you looking to mix and match the kits or did you want a full oxodized kit?
Also feel free to jump into my discord or PM me here if it warrants further offline discussion.
Post by: thedavefulton on Thu, 16 April 2020, 15:34:28
Post by: hmmmwhatsthis on Thu, 16 April 2020, 16:36:28
Post by: fatboycarney on Fri, 17 April 2020, 11:43:13
Is there going to be a kit without the gradient?
Some have requested accent colour to be made available, if that is what you mean then its possible, please fill out the form. If you mean with the greys then no that wont be something that will happen.
Post by: bukowski on Sat, 18 April 2020, 07:20:29
Post by: depletedvespene on Sat, 18 April 2020, 21:35:17
On a slightly subjective note, I noticed that there is some inconsistency in the choosing of just the base typographical symbols in some keys, while going with base+Shift in others.
EDIT: I noticed the international kit is the same as the one in KAT Hyperfuse, down to the same errors. Same flawed source, surely.
Post by: fatboycarney on Sun, 19 April 2020, 00:15:06
I gotta wonder why going with an "international" kit, given this set is to be run in the KAT profile, and seems to be mixing what other sets have had as "North" and "South" kits. I've also noticed a few mistakes in this kit and others; what's the exact list of national layouts that is meant to be supported?.
On a slightly subjective note, I noticed that there is some inconsistency in the choosing of just the base typographical symbols in some keys, while going with base+Shift in others.
EDIT: I noticed the international kit is the same as the one in KAT Hyperfuse, down to the same errors. Same flawed source, surely.
Let me first say nice to see you comment on my IC :eek: I didnt get to see you on Copper :p
Kit updates are definitely happening and JSaintS who is doing KAT Hyperfuse is helping me on the kits, thus the similarity. Hopefully updates will be coming next week.
I can confirm for sure your second point is being cleaned up (that is all done and just waiting for other kits)
Thanks again for your feedback, hope you can look over the updated kits once posted and provide any additional feedback!
Post by: fatboycarney on Sun, 19 April 2020, 00:18:44
Phoenician alphas, split 40s/ortho kit makes this a no brainer for me. I love it!
I would prefer icon over text mods though. Especially for matching the alternative alphas.
Phoenician alphas, split 40s/ortho kit makes this a no brainer for me. I love it!
I would prefer icon over text mods though. Especially for matching the alternative alphas.
I have the same feedback as harlekein. I think the Phoenician alphas are awesome, and very unique. But pairing them with the current ortho/40s mods just wouldn't match visually. Therefore, personally I would love to see an Ortho Icon Mods kit, and I think that 40s users would benefit from a similar 40s Icon Mods kit.
Agreed and its coming!! :thumb:
Post by: depletedvespene on Sun, 19 April 2020, 07:31:47
Thanks again for your feedback, hope you can look over the updated kits once posted and provide any additional feedback!
Lemme have a look at the updated kits before you post them, so I can whisk out errors before they become public. ;-)
Post by: fatboycarney on Sun, 19 April 2020, 20:17:17
I like this! I filled in the form.
Suggestion: leave the atom weight off and center the Fe26 on the key like the rest of the legends.
Also I don't think the Eiffel tower fits the theme well (swords, Phoenicia).
Thanks for the feedback, I appreciate the suggestion to remove the atomic weight to match the rest of the legends better, but I am partial the weight being there and it is sort of sticking with the approach of my last set and not to mention Phosphorous and Carbon.
I appreciate the Eiffel tower doesnt match but it is made out of iron which fits the overall theme and expect more novelties to be released sooon that will add to a more varied approach of themes within a theme. You get to choose the ones you want to use and customize the theme to be your own.
Post by: fatboycarney on Tue, 28 April 2020, 09:23:00
New kits, new phoenicians, new novelties, new alpha/mod colour, vendor, artisan collabs. WOW! :eek:
Post by: catbus on Tue, 28 April 2020, 09:43:16
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Post by: Sorachi.Ace on Tue, 28 April 2020, 09:43:26
Post by: DrHigsby on Tue, 28 April 2020, 09:43:54
Post by: konstantin on Tue, 28 April 2020, 09:50:55
All the updates are posted, to numerous to mention in the comments
New kits, new phoenicians, new novelties, new alpha/mod colour, vendor, artisan collabs. WOW! :eek:
Wooo, new Phoenician alphas, kits and novelties are looking great! Really nice update. I'm thrilled to see you guys decided to use the same icons and legends as Hyperfuse. :) And that R3 Up key is a good idea actually; maybe it should find its way to HF too.
Post by: harlekein on Tue, 28 April 2020, 09:55:27
Otherwise, looking great! :thumb:
Post by: fatboycarney on Tue, 28 April 2020, 14:26:17
Any chance for ergo blanks?
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If you havent filled out the form can you do that and add it in, I am all for adding it if the interest is there but we are getting up there in kits and while KAT offers us flexibility the vendor and proxy still need to manage all these things and I think we are at 26 :eek:
If you have blank ergo friends have them ask to!! Thanks for the feedback!
Post by: fatboycarney on Tue, 28 April 2020, 23:38:38
I’m very excited about the changes FBC! Can’t wait to see what all the collab material will be too!
Thanks DrHigsby and appreciate the early input!! Collabs should be fun!
I love the light to dark mono gradient. I'm a sucker for noventies and I think that's a place where this kit really shines. The medieval weaponry and armor is so good.
Thanks man! OCM again knocking the novelties out of the park or off the board!! Thanks! And awesome that you are SodiePops are on board for said above mentioned collabs!!
All the updates are posted, to numerous to mention in the comments
New kits, new phoenicians, new novelties, new alpha/mod colour, vendor, artisan collabs. WOW! :eek:
Wooo, new Phoenician alphas, kits and novelties are looking great! Really nice update. I'm thrilled to see you guys decided to use the same icons and legends as Hyperfuse. :) And that R3 Up key is a good idea actually; maybe it should find its way to HF too.
Thank you very much konstantin and Double thank you for your amazing feedback on the Phoenician alphas! R3 Up key, nice eye, that credit goes to eskimojo and liked the idea and want to try it out so included it
Post by: Sneetzle on Wed, 29 April 2020, 00:42:25
All the updates are posted, to numerous to mention in the comments
New kits, new phoenicians, new novelties, new alpha/mod colour, vendor, artisan collabs. WOW! :eek:
Awesome!
Any plans for an EU vendor/proxy?
Edit: The Phoenician modifiers in the novelties kit spell "NORI" (iron backwards) is this intentional? Shouldn't it be IRON?
Post by: KingOfMemes on Wed, 29 April 2020, 08:22:02
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 29 April 2020, 09:36:14
Edit: The Phoenician modifiers in the novelties kit spell "NORI" (iron backwards) is this intentional? Shouldn't it be IRON?
Semitic languages are written from right to left.
Post by: Lazesummerstone on Wed, 29 April 2020, 18:57:59
Post by: fatboycarney on Thu, 30 April 2020, 00:01:19
All the updates are posted, to numerous to mention in the comments
New kits, new phoenicians, new novelties, new alpha/mod colour, vendor, artisan collabs. WOW! :eek:
Awesome!
Any plans for an EU vendor/proxy?
Edit: The Phoenician modifiers in the novelties kit spell "NORI" (iron backwards) is this intentional? Shouldn't it be IRON?
Yes for sure an EU proxy, will update soon!
konstantin got you the answer on your other comment! :cool:
In for that Colevrak <3
Success! Yes thank you! :thumb:
The additional quote ("/') key in ortho kit doesn't seem to be adding anything.Oh good catch, thanks! And thank you very much!
Otherwise, looking great! :thumb:
Oh man everything about this set is great. I feel like I'm gonna need a few sets from this GBThats great to here thanks for the support!
Post by: fatboycarney on Thu, 30 April 2020, 11:23:44
Added rusted numpad
Added R1 and R2 rust enter accents to ortho
fixed Legends on numrow in alphas as it was using Frow white legends
Also will post colours shortly as some have requested but wanted to clarify that the F-Row is actually a very light grey RAL https://www.ralcolorchart.com/ral-classic/ral-7047-telegrey-4
Thanks to everyone for all the feedback, tons of good stuff has come in and a huge number of very positive feedback forms!
Post by: fatboycarney on Thu, 30 April 2020, 13:41:14
The additional quote ("/') key in ortho kit doesn't seem to be adding anything.
Otherwise, looking great! :thumb:
Fixed by removing superfluous key!
Post by: fatboycarney on Fri, 01 May 2020, 14:33:37
Very happy to add the following proxies to KAT Iron!!
Europe - Mykeyboard
Asia - Zfrontier
Oceania - DailyClack
Post by: fatboycarney on Wed, 06 May 2020, 10:45:52
Thanks for your help!!
Post by: harlekein on Thu, 07 May 2020, 04:45:06
- Old iron armor/weapons
- Modern objects (Eiffel tower, pipe, which is a good joke, but still..)
- Elemental properties
- Phoenician words
I would recommend choosing one or two directions for this and cutting a few out of that kit.
Personally I am favoring the elemental notation and Phoenician words, but that's also because the ENTER novelties are unusuable for me on ortho layout. I do like the sword. The axe should probably be straight.
Post by: moljor on Thu, 07 May 2020, 11:51:55
I am somewhat interested in the novelties, but seeing how many are in there and how many I'd use I doubt I'd get the kit. It goes into too many directions.I agree with this.
- Old iron armor/weapons
- Modern objects (Eiffel tower, pipe, which is a good joke, but still..)
- Elemental properties
- Phoenician words
I would recommend choosing one or two directions for this and cutting a few out of that kit.
Personally I am favoring the elemental notation and Phoenician words, but that's also because the ENTER novelties are unusuable for me on ortho layout. I do like the sword. The axe should probably be straight.
I probably won’t buy the novelties because there’s too much I wouldn’t use but I do like the Phoenician and porphyrin novelties.
Post by: rockydbull on Thu, 07 May 2020, 13:26:12
I am somewhat interested in the novelties, but seeing how many are in there and how many I'd use I doubt I'd get the kit. It goes into too many directions.I agree with this.
- Old iron armor/weapons
- Modern objects (Eiffel tower, pipe, which is a good joke, but still..)
- Elemental properties
- Phoenician words
I would recommend choosing one or two directions for this and cutting a few out of that kit.
Personally I am favoring the elemental notation and Phoenician words, but that's also because the ENTER novelties are unusuable for me on ortho layout. I do like the sword. The axe should probably be straight.
I probably won’t buy the novelties because there’s too much I wouldn’t use but I do like the Phoenician and porphyrin novelties.
Buy and then flip on mechmarket. I disagree that the solution is to cut keys in order for some people to buy a kit.
Post by: moljor on Thu, 07 May 2020, 13:53:18
Buy and then flip on mechmarket. I disagree that the solution is to cut keys in order for some people to buy a kit.
Oh no, I wouldn’t cut keys but just saying I’d rather see some of them as part of the base instead sort of like the identity of the set.
But more people would probably just get the novelty set.
Post by: Roche on Thu, 07 May 2020, 20:29:40
I think these go in a similar direction, where the images are all quite unrelated... except that they are all made of Iron (which is the theme of the whole set). There is definitely a sub-theme of weapons/armor that has popped up in the kit, which personally is not my jam, however, there are a LOT of people so far that have responded well to that sub-theme, so it would be silly to cut them out. Also with KAT, the kits are a lot less expensive than GMK, so why not throw a bunch of novelties in there and then you get to pick and choose which you like?
If you don't see any commonality between the novelty kit, you need to look again. If you get it, but would still rather the novelty kit be tailored to just the novelties that you would buy... well I don't think that's a reasonable expectation of any set designer.
Part of the fun of this set (and Copper before it) is trying to figure out what ties the novelties together if you don't know the name of the set. You should be able to look at the colors on the board, look at the images on the novelties, and the custom alpha set (if you so choose) and piece it all together.
Post by: fatboycarney on Thu, 07 May 2020, 23:17:57
I am somewhat interested in the novelties, but seeing how many are in there and how many I'd use I doubt I'd get the kit. It goes into too many directions.
- Old iron armor/weapons
- Modern objects (Eiffel tower, pipe, which is a good joke, but still..)
- Elemental properties
- Phoenician words
I would recommend choosing one or two directions for this and cutting a few out of that kit.
Personally I am favoring the elemental notation and Phoenician words, but that's also because the ENTER novelties are unusuable for me on ortho layout. I do like the sword. The axe should probably be straight.
I am somewhat interested in the novelties, but seeing how many are in there and how many I'd use I doubt I'd get the kit. It goes into too many directions.I agree with this.
- Old iron armor/weapons
- Modern objects (Eiffel tower, pipe, which is a good joke, but still..)
- Elemental properties
- Phoenician words
I would recommend choosing one or two directions for this and cutting a few out of that kit.
Personally I am favoring the elemental notation and Phoenician words, but that's also because the ENTER novelties are unusuable for me on ortho layout. I do like the sword. The axe should probably be straight.
I probably won’t buy the novelties because there’s too much I wouldn’t use but I do like the Phoenician and porphyrin novelties.
Thanks very much for the feedback, I really do appreciate it and I think that Roche above really covered anything I would say but I will try and add a few things.
The thing I like about the elements and why I seem drawn to doing these sets is the amazing diversity of these elements and where we find them in the world. Iron also being the most plentiful element on earth by mass I believe its everywhere. And I like trying to find it in strange places, so I give everyone a choice on how they want to build out their Iron setup.
The other awesome thing is KAT pricing and the lack of requirement for molds vs GMK, these kits are crazy cost effective and giving the designer the ability to add a whack of novelties to appeal to as many people as possible is really compelling. Check out some other KAT set novelty kits and they are relatively very cost effective and some very large. So I like to take advantage of that and give everyone a bit of what they want. Myself I will likely mix and match, maybe 1 or 2 from each subtheme as they are all from one theme Iron.
As far as the comment of moving some keys into other kits that sort of defeats the strength of KAT where things can be very separated, in GMK managing this would be much more of a consideration.
I hope that explains my thinking and rational behind the kit, and i wont tell you that I am considering one additional totally unrelated novelty :eek:
again thanks very much for the input, I really do try to incorporate everything I can and I love getting feedback!
Post by: harlekein on Fri, 08 May 2020, 04:42:00
If you don't see any commonality between the novelty kit, you need to look again. If you get it, but would still rather the novelty kit be tailored to just the novelties that you would buy... well I don't think that's a reasonable expectation of any set designer.
Well, I get it. I'm just stating my opinion. It's clear from the responses that other people do like the diversity or different directions, so I don't expect anything to change at all. :thumb:
Post by: fatboycarney on Fri, 08 May 2020, 14:23:37
If you don't see any commonality between the novelty kit, you need to look again. If you get it, but would still rather the novelty kit be tailored to just the novelties that you would buy... well I don't think that's a reasonable expectation of any set designer.
Well, I get it. I'm just stating my opinion. It's clear from the responses that other people do like the diversity or different directions, so I don't expect anything to change at all. :thumb:
For sure and keep the feedback coming!!! really appreciate everything everyone is providing, its much appreciated! ;D
Post by: helborne on Fri, 08 May 2020, 20:14:24
Post by: fatboycarney on Tue, 12 May 2020, 21:28:31
what I'd really like to see is a blank kit of the gradients. 5 cap (1, 2, 3, 4, 4) kit that you can decide how many to order. only want a few to fill out a weird layout? cool. want to fill a preonic or xd75, just order multiple packs
Sorry for slow reply helborne, this is something that has certainly piqued my interest. No promisese but will see what options we have, would love to hear if this is something others would be interested in?
On another note we have a couple updates, a new deskmat form is live, simpler, one choice, please fill out and help decide. https://forms.gle/4oqRaaN2FaRsc5w68
Thanks
And I would like to update on 2 new artisan collabs, lividitycaps and sludgekidd will be joining in on making some amazing artisan caps for KAT Iron!!!
Post by: fatboycarney on Tue, 19 May 2020, 09:48:43
(https://i.imgur.com/saNJXbS.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Osum3Sv.jpg)
And have added new vendor, Funkeys for Ukraine, Russia and Belarus! So glad to have them on board!!! :thumb:
Post by: fatboycarney on Tue, 19 May 2020, 11:52:20
Post by: fatboycarney on Thu, 21 May 2020, 11:33:46
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/682680830753112126/713030464352550952/KAT_Iron_1U.png)
Post by: helborne on Thu, 21 May 2020, 11:42:58
Post by: kajahtaa on Thu, 21 May 2020, 13:19:49
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Thu, 21 May 2020, 17:22:17
Curious if this is something that enough people are interested in, would love to get some feedback hereShow Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/682680830753112126/713030464352550952/KAT_Iron_1U.png)
It's fun for the quefrency 65 / VE.A and clones and other boards where you've got a left sided macro zone in addition to the blank alphas possibilities. KAT is the profile to do something like it as well.
Post by: fatboycarney on Thu, 21 May 2020, 23:50:31
thank you for testing this out. In for 14 kits of 1 column!
I love the idea of blank kits that stick to the theme
Curious if this is something that enough people are interested in, would love to get some feedback hereShow Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/682680830753112126/713030464352550952/KAT_Iron_1U.png)
It's fun for the quefrency 65 / VE.A and clones and other boards where you've got a left sided macro zone in addition to the blank alphas possibilities. KAT is the profile to do something like it as well.
Thanks for the feedback each of you, you have helped confirm adding this kit! Will update main post to include :thumb:
Post by: DrHigsby on Fri, 22 May 2020, 10:01:24
Curious if this is something that enough people are interested in, would love to get some feedback hereShow Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/682680830753112126/713030464352550952/KAT_Iron_1U.png)
At a certain point, it might be kinda cool to pick up 12 of these to cover a Planck. I’d definitely consider blanks once the GB launches.
Post by: fatboycarney on Fri, 22 May 2020, 14:07:17
Great to know, they are in for quoting so might be a nice surprise at how many people end up grabbing some.Curious if this is something that enough people are interested in, would love to get some feedback hereShow Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/682680830753112126/713030464352550952/KAT_Iron_1U.png)
At a certain point, it might be kinda cool to pick up 12 of these to cover a Planck. I’d definitely consider blanks once the GB launches.
Also just want to add that I have confirmed a new collab with gothcaps!!!
Post by: RedBeardDog on Sat, 23 May 2020, 09:21:55
Deskmats have been selected by a nearly unanimous voteShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/saNJXbS.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Osum3Sv.jpg)
And have added new vendor, Funkeys for Ukraine, Russia and Belarus! So glad to have them on board!!! :thumb:
nice deskmats
and good news about vendor for CIS
Post by: fatboycarney on Sun, 24 May 2020, 00:20:40
Deskmats have been selected by a nearly unanimous voteShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/saNJXbS.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Osum3Sv.jpg)
And have added new vendor, Funkeys for Ukraine, Russia and Belarus! So glad to have them on board!!! :thumb:
nice deskmats
and good news about vendor for CIS
Glad to hear!! Thanks for the feedback
Also updated with final novelty kit including additional 1.25 and 1.5 U novs, this was also requested a number of times in the feedback form as previously only phoenician text novs were included.
Post by: lz2019 on Tue, 26 May 2020, 00:56:00
any estimation of GB date?
Post by: fatboycarney on Tue, 26 May 2020, 22:41:25
any estimation of GB date?
Great time to ask that questions, GB is tentatively scheduled to start August 1st
Post by: bobaboy on Wed, 27 May 2020, 04:29:36
Post by: FunBox on Wed, 27 May 2020, 10:29:06
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Post by: Bonsa on Sat, 30 May 2020, 08:55:29
If the GB is in august, when can we expect the set to ship? I don't know how long the average waiting time is for KAT, but I'm hoping it's not 8 months.
Post by: fatboycarney on Mon, 01 June 2020, 20:37:08
I wish the legend on the left shift Icon mod was just slightly nudged to the left so that it lined up with the rest of the legends in that column. It's a small difference but I've seen it done both ways now and when they are symmetrically lined up it just seems more pleasant
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Yeah the legends in this design were fitting with the larger centered icon style. GMK does this as all the legends are left aligned and causes them to line up. It is certainly something to consider as KAT evolves. It would be something I would be doing for this set though but thanks for the suggestion
I'm saving up for this set. Those Phoenician alphas are really beautiful!
If the GB is in august, when can we expect the set to ship? I don't know how long the average waiting time is for KAT, but I'm hoping it's not 8 months.
Thats awesome, thank you very much they really turned out better than I could have imagined with a lot of help getting them to where they are today.
We dont have that info from Keyreative yet but the kits are in for quoting so hopefully more updates will be available soon.
Post by: Primal on Wed, 03 June 2020, 15:03:18
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Post by: fatboycarney on Sat, 06 June 2020, 22:09:48
Looks very good!
This will be my first gradient keycaps! Very nice
Thanks to you both very much appreciated, it will be my first gradient set as well!!!
Post by: fatboycarney on Sat, 06 June 2020, 22:15:12
I also know designers with sets in IC have raised concerns to Keyreative via ZFrontier, and I wanted to let you know I have followed suit with them and raised the same concerns and asked for details on what steps Keyreative will be taking to resolve these issues going forward.
Hopefully this was a smaller QC issue and turns out to be easy to resolve and impacts only a small subset of shipped sets.
I will keep everyone updated here and on my discord.
Post by: p3dstore on Wed, 10 June 2020, 10:12:48
As far as the deskmat I love the rusty one but the atomic number text just feels really out of place. If that was gone I'd buy that too no regerts.
Post by: Prefinem on Wed, 10 June 2020, 13:07:09
Post by: fatboycarney on Mon, 15 June 2020, 13:42:12
Hell yeah I'm in for a full rusty setup. Gradient isn't my thing but I'm glad to see the alt stuff.Thanks for the feedback, unfortunately you were the only one to mention the atomic numbers so wont be changing but still appreciate the feedback.
As far as the deskmat I love the rusty one but the atomic number text just feels really out of place. If that was gone I'd buy that too no regerts.
Glad you like the rust as just got new renders in, and will release over the next few days, check out the first one just below this reply
Woohoo! Can't wait for the GB
Thanks for the support!! :thumb:
Post by: fatboycarney on Mon, 15 June 2020, 13:44:06
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Post by: fatboycarney on Tue, 16 June 2020, 11:36:06
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Post by: Nudd on Wed, 17 June 2020, 08:48:06
All the best with GB :)
Post by: fatboycarney on Wed, 17 June 2020, 09:15:56
Would have been in for full rust sets, but the iso kit does not have all the rust keys unfortunately.
All the best with GB :)
Thanks for the feedback, I would certainly consider but you are the first person to ask. Is there more rust ISO interest here? :eek:
Post by: fatboycarney on Wed, 17 June 2020, 09:23:57
(https://i.imgur.com/1GB56Tz.jpg)
Post by: dmatx1 on Wed, 17 June 2020, 10:22:23
Is there more rust ISO interest here? :eek:Yes, of course. Please make a rusted ISO kit (maybe with rusted Eiffel Tower ISO Enter) or extend the current one, and you will have at least one buyer :)
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 17 June 2020, 11:49:33
Thanks for the feedback, I would certainly consider but you are the first person to ask. Is there more rust ISO interest here? :eek:
Not an ISO user personally, but if I were, this would be a must for me, as I really dig the rust colorway. :)
Speaking of which, any chance for rust Phoenician alphas? Now that would be a stunner!
Post by: Pyk_ on Fri, 19 June 2020, 05:13:30
Post by: thedavefulton on Fri, 19 June 2020, 14:54:53
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 19 June 2020, 15:31:07
Would it be possible to add a 1u Ctrl key to the "gray" R1? I run the HHKB layout and prefer to have a Ctrl key on the right of RShift rather than a Fn key. Due to the gradient color, I can't just swap in a key from a different R1. Other than that I love the set and the Phoenician keys! Thanks, be well
You can use End, the molecule novelty, or a 1u blank if you get that kit (odd compatibility is what it's there for).
Post by: fatboycarney on Sat, 20 June 2020, 21:47:36
Thanks for the feedback, I would certainly consider but you are the first person to ask. Is there more rust ISO interest here? :eek:
Not an ISO user personally, but if I were, this would be a must for me, as I really dig the rust colorway. :)
Speaking of which, any chance for rust Phoenician alphas? Now that would be a stunner!
There seems to be enough interest between here and the google form so adding these 2Is there more rust ISO interest here? :eek:Yes, of course. Please make a rusted ISO kit (maybe with rusted Eiffel Tower ISO Enter) or extend the current one, and you will have at least one buyer :)
(https://i.imgur.com/rKDLoyM.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/W2Fne3g.png)
Love the full rust render! Would love to do that on ortho, but I’m still happy with just the gradient.
Glad you are happy with gradient and thanks for the kind words, you are the first to ask for ortho, sorry that kit wont be coming in rust.
Post by: dmatx1 on Sun, 21 June 2020, 09:58:55
There seems to be enough interest between here and the google form so adding these 2
Great, thanks :thumb: I'm definitely in for a rusted Phoenician ISO set and probably a gradient Lation ISO set too.
Last request from me: could you add a Phoenician B to the Spacebar kits?
Post by: angv on Mon, 22 June 2020, 02:05:30
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Post by: vaf1en on Mon, 22 June 2020, 12:33:55
Post by: fatboycarney on Wed, 24 June 2020, 21:17:34
There seems to be enough interest between here and the google form so adding these 2
Great, thanks :thumb: I'm definitely in for a rusted Phoenician ISO set and probably a gradient Lation ISO set too.
Last request from me: could you add a Phoenician B to the Spacebar kits?
You are going to get spoiled :p But after adding in Phoenicians in rust this really was an oversight I felt with the popularity of the Phoenicians so the Phoenician B has been added to both spacebar kits :thumb:
Now that there are rusted Phoenecian alphas, I kinda wanna see a set that has the normal mods with the rusted alphas, though its understandable if its not possible to get another render out.Might try and get this for any GB renders I get done. No promises though but its what I was hoping to cover.
Support :)Thank you very much!!
The rusted Phoenecian alphas are fire - set bought!Amazing thank you!! really appreciate all the community feedback as I really wanted from the start was for the community to drive what got added and the set has turned out great and a lot of kits have been added based on feedback from the community so I hope everyone is looking forward to the Group Buy!!! ;D
Post by: paperassgasket on Wed, 24 June 2020, 23:26:47
This set looks spot on though. Great font, love the gradient and the profile.
Post by: fatboycarney on Sat, 27 June 2020, 00:23:47
Took a pass on the Copper because the profile and the color just wasn't it for me.
This set looks spot on though. Great font, love the gradient and the profile.
Thanks very much, glad this set hit the mark for you!! Aprecciate the support
Post by: Bonsa on Sat, 27 June 2020, 02:20:13
+1 for rusted ortho, although I believe you can implement that with a few rusted blanks?
Perhaps I'll just have to buy both rusted and gradient Phoenicians and see what looks best...
Post by: unagiOssan on Sat, 27 June 2020, 12:35:06
Post by: fatboycarney on Sat, 04 July 2020, 22:45:39
Rusted Phoenicians, hell yeah! Beautiful!
+1 for rusted ortho, although I believe you can implement that with a few rusted blanks?
Perhaps I'll just have to buy both rusted and gradient Phoenicians and see what looks best...
Thanks so much, this set has really evolved from everyones feedback!! For now no more new kits as the kits are in to Keyreative for quotes, unlikely to have rusted ortho unless more requests come in but really close to the point of locking down the kits, if not already, really do appreciate the input though!!
Nothing to add but the design of this set is amazing and I can't wait to get a couple kits ;D . Also thanks for including a Colemak option
Thanks for the feedback and support :thumb:
Post by: fatboycarney on Sat, 04 July 2020, 22:47:43
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Post by: santela on Sun, 05 July 2020, 12:48:29
Post by: William_S_Jones on Sun, 05 July 2020, 18:48:52
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Post by: fatboycarney on Thu, 16 July 2020, 21:07:42
I like the gradient, and thank god it is KAT so I can afford it. GMK just bleeds me dry.
Dammit
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Thanks for the support!!!
Just a small update, minor date change, just pushing the start date out one day to the 2nd, sorry for the change but hopefully doesnt have much impact to anyone! Also pricing should be starting to come in over the coming days so stay tuned!
Post by: bookworm2156 on Fri, 17 July 2020, 08:56:53
A few posts ago you posted the RAL colour for that top row - good to see it's not white as I first thought.
Would you be able to link us the colours for the other rows as well? Thanks!
Post by: fatboycarney on Mon, 20 July 2020, 10:10:49
Looks great! I'm looking forward to seeing the pricing breakdown :cool:
A few posts ago you posted the RAL colour for that top row - good to see it's not white as I first thought.
Would you be able to link us the colours for the other rows as well? Thanks!
Thanks for the feedback and glad you like it and glad the RAL for the top "grey" helped, I havent shared the entire RAL list just to protect the colours until after the GB, I am not sure this is necessary but some designers have started doing this. If you had some specific question about the colour you could raise a discussion in my discord and we could discuss or dm me offline and I might be able to help clarify. (this of course goes for anyone who is interested or is looking to match something to the set colours)
Post by: Sslix on Mon, 20 July 2020, 19:12:39
Post by: fatboycarney on Mon, 20 July 2020, 21:11:01
1u blanks are a godsend
Thanks for saying that, I am pretty excited to include and thank those who asked for that kit. Lots of use for those blanks and the price for the kit is going to be very good, prices not quite ready to share yet but its going to be very accessible!
Post by: fatboycarney on Thu, 23 July 2020, 13:59:51
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Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Thu, 23 July 2020, 14:48:18
Post by: fatboycarney on Thu, 23 July 2020, 15:47:45
Salvun hemoglobin cap is amazing.
I thought you might like that ;D
Post by: fatboycarney on Thu, 23 July 2020, 18:30:47
(https://i.imgur.com/nLjcMXU.png)
Post by: vi0till on Fri, 24 July 2020, 06:33:46
I cant recall where the ask came but some people asked to see rusted alphas with gradient mods, which I really didnt think anyone would be interested in well, here it is and honestly this set just keeps surprising me, hope you like itMight be getting this one instead of all rusted color way. This is nice.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/YoWkDEg.jpg)
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Post by: bookworm2156 on Sat, 25 July 2020, 13:11:47
Looks great! I'm looking forward to seeing the pricing breakdown :cool:
A few posts ago you posted the RAL colour for that top row - good to see it's not white as I first thought.
Would you be able to link us the colours for the other rows as well? Thanks!
Thanks for the feedback and glad you like it and glad the RAL for the top "grey" helped, I havent shared the entire RAL list just to protect the colours until after the GB, I am not sure this is necessary but some designers have started doing this. If you had some specific question about the colour you could raise a discussion in my discord and we could discuss or dm me offline and I might be able to help clarify. (this of course goes for anyone who is interested or is looking to match something to the set colours)
Fair enough, was just a curiosity thing really :thumb:
Looking forward to the group buy!
Post by: nbesa on Sat, 25 July 2020, 15:54:38
Definitely interested in the set, good job!
Post by: fatboycarney on Sun, 26 July 2020, 21:45:41
Looks great! I'm looking forward to seeing the pricing breakdown :cool:
A few posts ago you posted the RAL colour for that top row - good to see it's not white as I first thought.
Would you be able to link us the colours for the other rows as well? Thanks!
Thanks for the feedback and glad you like it and glad the RAL for the top "grey" helped, I havent shared the entire RAL list just to protect the colours until after the GB, I am not sure this is necessary but some designers have started doing this. If you had some specific question about the colour you could raise a discussion in my discord and we could discuss or dm me offline and I might be able to help clarify. (this of course goes for anyone who is interested or is looking to match something to the set colours)
Fair enough, was just a curiosity thing really :thumb:
Looking forward to the group buy!
Thank you for the support, just a week away!!
Love the Rusted Mods! I wonder how those would look with Kat Explosion's Alphas.
Definitely interested in the set, good job!
Thank you very much!
Post by: Pyk_ on Mon, 27 July 2020, 02:09:10
If anyone is going to pick up the rusted text mods and would be willing to sell the following keys I would be interested: r1 1u ctrl, sys, alt, shift, fn
And these are less important but I would also be interested in r1 2u shift, r3 1u up, and r3 1u del.
Post by: M4R7YN on Mon, 27 July 2020, 15:42:41
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Post by: perry4761 on Mon, 27 July 2020, 21:03:31