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Title: [IC] RAINDROP 60% by Laneware [Poll Open]
Post by: Laneware on Tue, 21 April 2020, 18:49:35
GB thread is now live! (29/06/2020): https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=107163.msg2925405#msg2925405 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=107163.msg2925405#msg2925405)
Link to prototype images: https://imgur.com/a/sq6H2tB (https://imgur.com/a/sq6H2tB)

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By Laneware

Global Vendor:
laneware.xyz (http://laneware.xyz)
Regional Vendors:
TBA


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POLL: https://forms.gle/7ZwEJoCA37aowqdu9 (https://forms.gle/7ZwEJoCA37aowqdu9)



RENDER BOOK

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To Do List:
☑ Preliminary PCB design
☑ Preliminary case design
☑ PCB working prototype
☑ Collate IC feedback
☑ Poll IC popular feedback and suggestions (Poll Open)
☑ Finalise case design based on poll results
☑ Procure initial case prototype
⚫ Final adjustments based on prototype look and feel
⚫ Open group buy 🙌

Group buy will include:
-Aluminium 60% Case (2 peice top and bottom)
-Brass Weight
-PCB
-Brass Switch plate with gasket mounts

Case Design:
-2 Peice top and bottom aluminium case.
-Gasket mounted
-USB-C port located in "POKER" layout location, allowing you to utilize existing PCBs if you wish to
-18mm front height
-7 Degree typing angle


PICTURE BOOK

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ASSEMBLY and GASKET MOUNT DETAIL

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SCREW HOLE LOCATION - ZERO VISABLE SCREWS

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PCB PROTOTYPE

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UPDATED PCB LAYOUT
The PCB has undergone two key updates since the above prototype. The switches have been rotated to be south facing and two additional layouts have been added as per below.

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LAYOUTS AVAILABLE

Standard 60%

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2u Left Shift with Arrow Keys

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HHKB with 6.25 Spacebar

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Contact Me:
Feel free to contact me with any questions, queeries or requests at my discord

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LANEWARE#0468

Current Poll Results:
Q: Should the raindrops on the front of the case remain?
A: Yes
Q: Where would you prefer the top tab with the raindrops on it?
A: Middle of Keyboard
Q: How big should the characters on the back be?
A: How it currently is
Q: Where would you prefer the USB-C port?
A: Left of Keyboard
Q: Would you be interested in a different case colour?
A: White, Black, Grey
Q: Would you be interested in a different plate colour?
A: Gold, Black
Q: Would you be interested in a different weight colour?
A: Gold, Black
Q: Would you be interested in a Raindrop theme desk mat?
A: Yes
Q: Would you be interested in a blue colour matched cable with aviation connector?
A: Yes
Q: Should multiple PCB layouts be offered on the one board?
A: Yes
Q: What general layout should be offered?
A: 2u Left shift with arrow keys, Standard 60%, HHKB
Title: Re: [IC] RAINDROP 60% by Laneware [Poll Open]
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 21 April 2020, 18:53:12
board is cool, name is easily confused with the keyset

i like the shape
Title: Re: [IC] RAINDROP 60% by Laneware [Poll Open]
Post by: Laneware on Tue, 21 April 2020, 20:03:57
Quote from: Puddsy on Tue, 21 April 2020, 18:53:12
board is cool, name is easily confused with the keyset

i like the shape

Thanks for the feedback  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] RAINDROP 60% by Laneware [Poll Open]
Post by: CrazyAssMonkey on Tue, 21 April 2020, 22:24:46
The top part of the case looks so cool, it's a design element I have not seen.  :D
Title: Re: [IC] RAINDROP 60% by Laneware [Poll Open]
Post by: kbye on Tue, 21 April 2020, 22:58:28
Interesting concept but I don't like the idea that I'd have to remove the bumpons every time I want to open it up. Granted they're cheap to replace, maybe it's just me.
Title: Re: [IC] RAINDROP 60% by Laneware [Poll Open]
Post by: srignacio on Tue, 21 April 2020, 23:01:41
I love the design and color. The shape is also great!
Title: Re: [IC] RAINDROP 60% by Laneware [Poll Open]
Post by: Laneware on Tue, 21 April 2020, 23:11:05
Quote from: kbye on Tue, 21 April 2020, 22:58:28
Interesting concept but I don't like the idea that I'd have to remove the bumpons every time I want to open it up. Granted they're cheap to replace, maybe it's just me.

All done in persuit of the cleanest design possible. I hear you tho, I will include spares  :)
Title: Re: [IC] RAINDROP 60% by Laneware [Poll Open]
Post by: Laneware on Wed, 22 April 2020, 15:47:28
I recieved alot of initial feedback to also offer a white/e-white case colour. Let me know what you think of the new renders under the picturebook  ;D ;D ;D
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Title: Re: [IC] RAINDROP 60% by Laneware [Poll Open]
Post by: Laneware on Thu, 23 April 2020, 05:30:48
Over 100 poll responses! Thanks for all of the great feedback so far  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] RAINDROP 60% by Laneware [Poll Open]
Post by: keebguy on Sat, 25 April 2020, 17:16:38
Made this account just to say I LOVE THIS :confused:, insta buy especially if it came with a black plate option 
Title: Re: [IC] RAINDROP 60% by Laneware [Poll Open]
Post by: Laneware on Wed, 29 April 2020, 02:13:53
Updated to include PCB detail. Let me know your thoughts on the feedback form or in the comments :)
Title: Re: [IC] RAINDROP 60% by Laneware [Poll Open]
Post by: yuki on Wed, 29 April 2020, 05:53:25
Correct me if im wrong but based on the samples, your pcb is north facing? Please considering swapping to south facing so we can use cherry profile keycaps. You dont even have leds on here in the first place.
I assume you've done this to make room for the usb connector, but please consider doing the normal thing and flipping only "Esc" and "1" to be north facing instead.
Regards, a very sad cherry profile keycap user.
Title: Re: [IC] RAINDROP 60% by Laneware [Poll Open]
Post by: funderburker on Wed, 29 April 2020, 06:59:14
There's definitely potential with the design. I feel that if you're going for a custom PCB then it would look way cleaner with a centred USB. Offering standard PCB compatibility is nice but just saying... Also, I think there's not a real reason to go with gaskets on the sides and you'd actually benefit from it more, both in manufacturing (slightly but still) and "feels". How deep is the engraving on the bottom? Seems real deep.

Screwholes under bumpons is a nice touch. If you go with standard sizing and/or add some extra in the final product than it's definitely an easy and quick way to keep it clean!

Also what Puddsy said - Raindrop was a keyset with quite a heavy past. :D Nothing wrong with the name though.
Title: Re: [IC] RAINDROP 60% by Laneware [Poll Open]
Post by: skyyyy on Wed, 29 April 2020, 07:13:28
Beautiful design! I agree with @funderburker about the centered usb aligning with the raindrop motif.

Looking forward to seeing the development and some full renders.
Title: Re: [IC] RAINDROP 60% by Laneware [Poll Open]
Post by: Darthbaggins on Wed, 29 April 2020, 14:01:14
Can't wait to see this go further, and would love to get my hands on one to build in it.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] RAINDROP 60% by Laneware [Poll Open]
Post by: Laneware on Wed, 29 April 2020, 16:22:40
Quote from: yuki on Wed, 29 April 2020, 05:53:25
Correct me if im wrong but based on the samples, your pcb is north facing? Please considering swapping to south facing so we can use cherry profile keycaps. You dont even have leds on here in the first place.
I assume you've done this to make room for the usb connector, but please consider doing the normal thing and flipping only "Esc" and "1" to be north facing instead.
Regards, a very sad cherry profile keycap user.

Hi Yuki, please help me understand your question a little more. See below image with cherry profile GMK Oblivion on the board, attached to a standard 60% case. The switches are rotated 180 compared to the "standard", this was done for prototyping purposes and will be reverted on the final PCB, however it makes no difference as the switches are symetrical. This would only be an issue if the switched were rotated 90 as the horizontal legs of the stems are thicker than the vertical.

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Title: Re: [IC] RAINDROP 60% by Laneware [Poll Open]
Post by: Laneware on Wed, 29 April 2020, 16:39:04
Quote from: funderbkeurr on Wed, 29 April 2020, 06:59:14
There's definitely potential with the design. I feel that if you're going for a custom PCB then it would look way cleaner with a centred USB. Offering standard PCB compatibility is nice but just saying... Also, I think there's not a real reason to go with gaskets on the sides and you'd actually benefit from it more, both in manufacturing (slightly but still) and "feels". How deep is the engraving on the bottom? Seems real deep.

Screwholes under bumpons is a nice touch. If you go with standard sizing and/or add some extra in the final product than it's definitely an easy and quick way to keep it clean!

Also what Puddsy said - Raindrop was a keyset with quite a heavy past. :D Nothing wrong with the name though.

Hi funderbkeurr, thanks for all of the feedback! So far 78.9% have polled to keep the USB-C on the left, I was also in two worlds about this but I guess compatability is king! The engraving on the bottom is 1.5mm. Thankyou for the feedback on the gasket, an initial prototype is on its way to get a general "feel" and better understanding on the ergonomic components of the design.
Title: Re: [IC] RAINDROP 60% by Laneware [Poll Open]
Post by: funderburker on Thu, 30 April 2020, 02:05:33
Quote from: Laneware on Wed, 29 April 2020, 16:22:40
Hi Yuki, please help me understand your question a little more. See below image with cherry profile GMK Oblivion on the board, attached to a standard 60% case. The switches are rotated 180 compared to the "standard", this was done for prototyping purposes and will be reverted on the final PCB, however it makes no difference as the switches are symetrical. This would only be an issue if the switched were rotated 90 as the horizontal legs of the stems are thicker than the vertical.

Switches are symmetrical but switch housing and keycap is not. There can be some rub between the inside of a GMK keycap and switch housing on certain row profiles because of north-facing placement. Just google around for the issue on r/mk or here.
Title: Re: [IC] RAINDROP 60% by Laneware [Poll Open]
Post by: Laneware on Thu, 30 April 2020, 05:12:30
Quote from: Darthbaggins on Wed, 29 April 2020, 14:01:14
Can't wait to see this go further, and would love to get my hands on one to build in it.  :thumb:

Thankyou! The initial prototype is on its way, I cant wait to make it come to life!
Title: Re: [IC] RAINDROP 60% by Laneware [Poll Open]
Post by: Laneware on Thu, 30 April 2020, 05:41:01
Quote from: funderburker on Thu, 30 April 2020, 02:05:33
Quote from: Laneware on Wed, 29 April 2020, 16:22:40
Hi Yuki, please help me understand your question a little more. See below image with cherry profile GMK Oblivion on the board, attached to a standard 60% case. The switches are rotated 180 compared to the "standard", this was done for prototyping purposes and will be reverted on the final PCB, however it makes no difference as the switches are symetrical. This would only be an issue if the switched were rotated 90 as the horizontal legs of the stems are thicker than the vertical.

Switches are symmetrical but switch housing and keycap is not. There can be some rub between the inside of a GMK keycap and switch housing on certain row profiles because of north-facing placement. Just google around for the issue on r/mk or here.

Thanks for the info guys, easy change 👍
Title: Re: [IC] RAINDROP 60% by Laneware [Poll Open]
Post by: Laneware on Thu, 30 April 2020, 17:43:23
Over 200 responses to the feedback poll and 100 people registering to be notified when the GB is live, thanks for such a great response! All of the feedback is very appreciated and is being listened to.
Title: Re: [IC] RAINDROP 60% by Laneware [Poll Open]
Post by: Laneware on Fri, 01 May 2020, 05:58:33
Update: Changes to PCB. Flipped switches to be south facing, added two more layouts, standard 60% and HHKB with 6.25u spacebar
Title: Re: [IC] RAINDROP 60% by Laneware [Poll Open]
Post by: Laneware on Mon, 04 May 2020, 00:39:03
Current poll results posted at the end of the thread. The poll is still open so be sure to get your feedback in, especially if you're keen on a specific colour!
Title: Re: [IC] RAINDROP 60% by Laneware [Poll Open]
Post by: Laneware on Mon, 04 May 2020, 23:51:09
Renderbook added!
Title: Re: [IC] RAINDROP 60% by Laneware [Poll Open]
Post by: KRY2SOON on Tue, 05 May 2020, 17:21:14
 ;)
Title: Re: [IC] RAINDROP 60% by Laneware [Poll Open]
Post by: Laneware on Fri, 08 May 2020, 18:18:36
Update: Prototype Case is on its way!!!! Stay posted for build video :D
Title: Re: [IC] RAINDROP 60% by Laneware [Poll Open]
Post by: Laneware on Thu, 28 May 2020, 03:05:00
The Prototype is here! Stay posted for a full build video and photoshoot :D
The poll is still open for feedback and to register for the Group Buy!
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Title: Re: [IC] RAINDROP 60% by Laneware [Poll Open]
Post by: SxM Designs on Thu, 28 May 2020, 04:27:07
Will hotswap be offered?
Title: Re: [IC] RAINDROP 60% by Laneware [Poll Open]
Post by: Laneware on Thu, 28 May 2020, 05:38:39
Quote from: sayantanroy47 on Thu, 28 May 2020, 04:27:07
Will hotswap be offered?

Not at this point. Potential to offer hotswap pins as an add on  if there is enough interest 😁
Title: Re: [IC] RAINDROP 60% by Laneware [Poll Open]
Post by: GaNeBaL on Thu, 28 May 2020, 07:19:45
any tsangan avail?
Title: Re: [IC] RAINDROP 60% by Laneware [Poll Open]
Post by: GaNeBaL on Thu, 28 May 2020, 07:24:37
Quote from: Laneware on Thu, 28 May 2020, 03:05:00
The Prototype is here! Stay posted for a full build video and photoshoot :D
The poll is still open for feedback and to register for the Group Buy!
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is the top picture horizontally flipped?
Title: Re: [IC] RAINDROP 60% by Laneware [Poll Open]
Post by: theside123 on Fri, 29 May 2020, 01:13:22
when gb start?
Title: Re: [IC] RAINDROP 60% by Laneware [Poll Open]
Post by: Laneware on Fri, 29 May 2020, 05:13:22
Quote from: GaNeBaL on Thu, 28 May 2020, 07:24:37
Quote from: Laneware on Thu, 28 May 2020, 03:05:00
The Prototype is here! Stay posted for a full build video and photoshoot :D
The poll is still open for feedback and to register for the Group Buy!
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is the top picture horizontally flipped?

Nope, it looks like the plates been put in the wrong way for the photo  :-[
Title: Re: [IC] RAINDROP 60% by Laneware [Poll Open]
Post by: Laneware on Fri, 29 May 2020, 05:13:52
Quote from: theside123 on Fri, 29 May 2020, 01:13:22
when gb start?

It's looking to be within the next 4-6 weeks
Title: Re: [IC] RAINDROP 60% by Laneware [Poll Open]
Post by: Laneware on Fri, 29 May 2020, 05:16:09
Quote from: GaNeBaL on Thu, 28 May 2020, 07:19:45
any tsangan avail?

No it wont, however you could closley mimic it with row1-4 HHKB and row 5 standard
Title: Re: [IC] RAINDROP 60% by Laneware [Poll Open]
Post by: theside123 on Fri, 29 May 2020, 21:27:22

Is the imprint of the lower housing of the keyboard fixed? Can Kanji be selectively removed? Or can you put your favorite stamp?
Title: Re: [IC] RAINDROP 60% by Laneware [Poll Open]
Post by: Laneware on Fri, 29 May 2020, 23:59:11
Quote from: theside123 on Fri, 29 May 2020, 21:27:22

Is the imprint of the lower housing of the keyboard fixed? Can Kanji be selectively removed? Or can you put your favorite stamp?

It is CNC into the bottom case. There won't be the option to remove it or request different characters unfortunatly, variations like this would send the cost through the roof and I am aiming to offer it around the $350USD price point, far below recent 60% boards that have run in a GB. The current design that you see, including position, size and specific characters are what have polled out of several design polls.
Title: Re: [IC] RAINDROP 60% by Laneware [Poll Open]
Post by: marshskitow on Sun, 07 June 2020, 18:27:29
So sad there is no ISO ... This is one of the most beautiful project i've seen atm.  :mad:
Title: Re: [IC] RAINDROP 60% by Laneware [Poll Open]
Post by: sctang on Sun, 07 June 2020, 23:27:51
Is there a HHKB render or proto by chance?
Title: Re: [IC] RAINDROP 60% by Laneware [Poll Open]
Post by: Laneware on Thu, 11 June 2020, 03:12:20
Quote from: sctang on Sun, 07 June 2020, 23:27:51
Is there a HHKB render or proto by chance?
Hi sctang. The demand for the HHKB top was not enough to project us reaching a MOQ for that specific top. What we have done is altered the HHBK layout slightly. Rows 1-4 will remain as standard HHKB layout, row 5 will be changed to a standard 60% row 5. This allows us to still offer a HHKBish layout that still captures the main draws to the specific layout, however will now fit into the standard 60% case. The layout section will be updated to reflect this. 
Title: Re: [IC] RAINDROP 60% by Laneware [Poll Open]
Post by: Laneware on Thu, 11 June 2020, 03:14:17
Quote from: marshskitow on Sun, 07 June 2020, 18:27:29
So sad there is no ISO ... This is one of the most beautiful project i've seen atm.  :mad:
ISO in the works, stay posted. Thanks for the kind words.
Title: Re: [IC] RAINDROP 60% by Laneware [Poll Open]
Post by: marshskitow on Thu, 11 June 2020, 04:55:44
We should have a discord server, i didn't see one.  :)
Title: Re: [IC] RAINDROP 60% by Laneware [Poll Open]
Post by: Laneware on Thu, 11 June 2020, 18:02:21
Quote from: marshskitow on Thu, 11 June 2020, 04:55:44
We should have a discord server, i didn't see one.  :)

Good idea, Ill put one together before the GB opens :D for now you can contact me directly on discord if you have any questions :)
Title: Re: [IC] RAINDROP 60% by Laneware [Poll Open]
Post by: Laneware on Fri, 19 June 2020, 23:29:47
First of all a huge thankyou to the entire Mechanical Keyboard community for your support and feedback to date, it really is a great community to be a part of ❤

The prototypes are here, and our build stream is ready! I would love for you to come and join in the communities first look at the case.

The build stream will be hosted by https://www.twitch.tv/bytesizedseamus (https://www.twitch.tv/bytesizedseamus), an incredibly entertaining and knowledgeable up and coming streamer in the mech community at 11am - 3pm AEST on Sunday 21/06/2020.

Stream Full Build Details:
-RAINDROP 60% Case by LANEWARE
-RAINDROP 60% custom PCB
-Durock Stabilizers
-Custom Blue Cable with Aviator Connector
-Lubed and filmed Gat Yellows
-GMK Oblivion V2 by Oblotzky
Title: Re: [IC] RAINDROP 60% by Laneware [Poll Open]
Post by: skyyyy on Mon, 22 June 2020, 07:48:47
Just watched the end of the twitch stream. What a beauty.
Title: Re: [IC] RAINDROP 60% by Laneware [Poll Open]
Post by: Laneware on Mon, 29 June 2020, 00:16:05
GB thread is now live! (29/06/2020): https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=107163.msg2925405#msg2925405 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=107163.msg2925405#msg2925405)
Link to prototype images: https://imgur.com/a/sq6H2tB (https://imgur.com/a/sq6H2tB)