I believe we've just found the first set I want to purchase that includes sub legends. It's gorgeous! My only thing is, I'd want to put this on a retro board, and I'm a Mac user, so if there's any way we could get some 1.5u GUI keys, it would be huge! Great design. Love it!Super key is the best we'll probably get but I'll see what I can do
oh one thing about JTK is that they don't use molds the same way JTK/SP do, so it's a lot harder to do mod/accent kits, so be open to dropping thoseLet's hope that something has changed
unless something has changed, that is
Can alpha kits be added to match with green mods kits?Then it'd turn into 3 base kits which I'd prefer not to.
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****ing all of them please!I fixed the question to "Is the spacebar kit too big?" I found it hard to word it in a way that compared the Classic Hiragana to the what the spacebar kit is.
This question in the IC didn't really make sense to my old boomer brain:
"Classic Hiragana had a spacebar kit that was a little smaller than this and it was $13, should I cut some out or leave it as is?
Yes
No"
Could be clearer which choices Yes and No refer to. Also hard to answer without the context of what the space bar kit would cost here...?
If the base kits are like 70, I will take both.Aiming for $100 or less.
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Love the idea, I'm definitely on board. Especially for Griseann, mmm yummy.Yeah it's uh...interesting
That X-box backspace icon in the kit render is an absolute unit :P
I haven’t seen a recent JTK text+icon set. Do they still do the icon only 1.75u shift? I know your renders have text+icons, so it’d be pretty cool if you could get them to actually get the legend right for once.From what I can see in JTK Classic Hiragana, they should have the icon text 1.75U shift
Anyway, cool set concepts. In for royal alpha and maybe even Griseann if the price is right
boy this is gonna be a pricy one but i love jtk so hoping for yaI'd really want this to be $100 or less, but we'll have to see what JTK says. Classic Hiragana ran at a $100 base kit price so one can hope.
the Spacebars Kit is crazy,why not separate it?
I love this. 100% inOkay you convinced me.
am I the only one think GMK Grisean used icon mods instead? looking really good
After speaking to zFrontier (and getting the go ahead from the Griseann runner), I learned that in order to achieve tripleshot for this set, I would need to run 2 base kits utilizing these molds. This led to the creation of JTK Royal Alpha. I've tried my very best to merge the best of both sets since one is icon mods and the other is icon+text.
That X-box backspace icon in the kit render is an absolute unit :PYeah it's uh...interesting
Wow, sexy set on a sexy board. Should add to OP too :DI love this. 100% inOkay you convinced me.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/kw5YB8G.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/rUOHrjg.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/QYSCAfd.png)
Just heard back from JTK, they're opening to creating more "normal" molds for caps.That X-box backspace icon in the kit render is an absolute unit :PYeah it's uh...interesting
Would JTK be open to creating a new mold for the 1.5u Backspace? I think “Backspace” or “⭠” would work best in this case (icon+text mods).
You didn't ask for this but hereWow, sexy set on a sexy board. Should add to OP too :DI love this. 100% inOkay you convinced me.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/kw5YB8G.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/rUOHrjg.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/QYSCAfd.png)
Is it weird that I want to see what Griseann looks like with the green mods?
Is it weird that I want to see what Griseann looks like with the green mods?
You're welcome
Is it weird that I want to see what Griseann looks like with the green mods?
You're welcome
that's not griseann
One of the biggest issues with the original Griseann for me was its lack of ISO support entirely! To see it make a come back here, alongside one of my fave sets of all time is great. I'll be in for all of itIt's a bit odd set to have ISO support for imo, since it's pretty much made for use with the US-international layout, no?
Is it weird that I want to see what Griseann looks like with the green mods?(https://i.imgur.com/7JknBF7.png)
Is it weird that I want to see what Griseann looks like with the green mods?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/7JknBF7.png)
I tried.
Is it weird that I want to see what Griseann looks like with the green mods?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/7JknBF7.png)
I tried.
One of the biggest issues with the original Griseann for me was its lack of ISO support entirely! To see it make a come back here, alongside one of my fave sets of all time is great. I'll be in for all of it
One of the biggest issues with the original Griseann for me was its lack of ISO support entirely! To see it make a come back here, alongside one of my fave sets of all time is great. I'll be in for all of it
unless this render is from JTK i am pretty sure that they do not have ISO molds
i get the vibe OP posted the IC before talking to JTK about it which is worrying
One of the biggest issues with the original Griseann for me was its lack of ISO support entirely! To see it make a come back here, alongside one of my fave sets of all time is great. I'll be in for all of it
unless this render is from JTK i am pretty sure that they do not have ISO molds
i get the vibe OP posted the IC before talking to JTK about it which is worrying
JTK Classic Hiragana has ISO molds.
In other news, I've compiled a list of suggestions and edits. Questions will be sent over to JTK to see if they can answer some of them.
1) Green delete for RA
2) Green 1U code key
3) Fix spacebar kit
4) Add ISO specific sublegend caps
5) Windowed keys?
6) “Backspace” delete
7) Add additional sublegends to Prt Sc, Pause, Num, and Scroll
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/IwfbBaz.png)
Just for you Jae, a quick render by Abec13
5) Windowed keys?
One of the biggest issues with the original Griseann for me was its lack of ISO support entirely! To see it make a come back here, alongside one of my fave sets of all time is great. I'll be in for all of itIt's a bit odd set to have ISO support for imo, since it's pretty much made for use with the US-international layout, no?
looks h0tShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/IwfbBaz.png)
Just for you Jae, a quick render by Abec13
Just a general update for right now, I've been in contact with JTK about this project.Take your time, don't care how long it takes.
Lots of stuff happening behind the scenes right now. There will be big changes and announcements once the groundwork for this is complete. Do not expect any updates until then.
Just a general update for right now, I've been in contact with JTK about this project.
Lots of stuff happening behind the scenes right now. There will be big changes and announcements once the groundwork for this is complete. Do not expect any updates until then.
Minor update (I guess)
In order for JTK to feel comfortable running the set, it will require larger appeal of the Asia market. This will require some changes to be made.
These things include:
Green modifiers for Royal Alpha (and do away with the classic white modifiers)
No additional add-on kits outside of novelties and space bars (2 base kits, space bars, and novelties only)
Creation of a novelties kit (if anyone has some suggestions, feel free to suggestion them. So far I have: 4 leaf clover, pot of gold, Celtic knots, "I'm Lucky" enter key novelty)
Progress for this is slow but this project is not dead.
Minor update (I guess)
In order for JTK to feel comfortable running the set, it will require larger appeal of the Asia market. This will require some changes to be made.
These things include:
Green modifiers for Royal Alpha (and do away with the classic white modifiers)
No additional add-on kits outside of novelties and space bars (2 base kits, space bars, and novelties only)
Creation of a novelties kit (if anyone has some suggestions, feel free to suggestion them. So far I have: 4 leaf clover, pot of gold, Celtic knots, "I'm Lucky" enter key novelty)
Progress for this is slow but this project is not dead.
Minor update (I guess)
In order for JTK to feel comfortable running the set, it will require larger appeal of the Asia market. This will require some changes to be made.
These things include:
Green modifiers for Royal Alpha (and do away with the classic white modifiers)
No additional add-on kits outside of novelties and space bars (2 base kits, space bars, and novelties only)
Creation of a novelties kit (if anyone has some suggestions, feel free to suggestion them. So far I have: 4 leaf clover, pot of gold, Celtic knots, "I'm Lucky" enter key novelty)
Progress for this is slow but this project is not dead.
seems like im in the minority for enjoying the green royal alpha mods. oh well, even better for me i guessI’m the same. Zero interest in the other mods so I’m fine with the decision.
Minor update (I guess)Such a shame. I was planning on getting Green mods with Griseann. Ah well.
In order for JTK to feel comfortable running the set, it will require larger appeal of the Asia market. This will require some changes to be made.
These things include:
Green modifiers for Royal Alpha (and do away with the classic white modifiers)
No additional add-on kits outside of novelties and space bars (2 base kits, space bars, and novelties only)
Creation of a novelties kit (if anyone has some suggestions, feel free to suggestion them. So far I have: 4 leaf clover, pot of gold, Celtic knots, "I'm Lucky" enter key novelty)
Progress for this is slow but this project is not dead.
Glad to hear an update, do keep us posted :)I have the Xbox backspace on my jtk toxic, I feel personally attacked.
"like the arrow HHKB backspace (vs the current one they have now)"
Does this mean they're finally getting rid of the horrid xbox backspace?
Glad to hear an update, do keep us posted :)Yes we can make the x box go away but the original RA typewriter used the x box.
"like the arrow HHKB backspace (vs the current one they have now)"
Does this mean they're finally getting rid of the horrid xbox backspace?
Glad to hear an update, do keep us posted :)Yes we can make the x box go away but the original RA typewriter used the x box.
"like the arrow HHKB backspace (vs the current one they have now)"
Does this mean they're finally getting rid of the horrid xbox backspace?
Minor update (I guess)
In order for JTK to feel comfortable running the set, it will require larger appeal of the Asia market. This will require some changes to be made.
These things include:
Green modifiers for Royal Alpha (and do away with the classic white modifiers)
No additional add-on kits outside of novelties and space bars (2 base kits, space bars, and novelties only)
Creation of a novelties kit (if anyone has some suggestions, feel free to suggestion them. So far I have: 4 leaf clover, pot of gold, Celtic knots, "I'm Lucky" enter key novelty)
Progress for this is slow but this project is not dead.
I am super anxious for this set to be released, any updates? :D
Update for today:
New kitting posted
Header image is outdated (will try to get an updated render for it since original Royal Alphas is no longer available)
New quotes incoming
Sorry this one is taking a long time, it set requires a lot of assistance from JTK, zF, and Novelkeys to make this dream come true for me.
Update for today:
New kitting posted
Header image is outdated (will try to get an updated render for it since original Royal Alphas is no longer available)
New quotes incoming
Sorry this one is taking a long time, it set requires a lot of assistance from JTK, zF, and Novelkeys to make this dream come true for me.
- Pipe key in Royal Alpha base set should have the right legends in light green, not dark
Both sets:
- :eek: Top right symbol in += key should be ÷ instead of +
- ², ³ and ¥ in their respective 2@, 3# and -_ keys should be in bottom right, not top right (those were also wrong in the GMK version)
- 5% is missing € symbol in bottom right (in GMK version it was in top right, this JTK version doesn't have the symbol).
Update for today:
New kitting posted
Header image is outdated (will try to get an updated render for it since original Royal Alphas is no longer available)
New quotes incoming
Sorry this one is taking a long time, it set requires a lot of assistance from JTK, zF, and Novelkeys to make this dream come true for me.
- Pipe key in Royal Alpha base set should have the right legends in light green, not dark
Both sets:
- :eek: Top right symbol in += key should be ÷ instead of +
- ², ³ and ¥ in their respective 2@, 3# and -_ keys should be in bottom right, not top right (those were also wrong in the GMK version)
- 5% is missing € symbol in bottom right (in GMK version it was in top right, this JTK version doesn't have the symbol).
I pointed out a few of these a while ago but didn't get any reply, I think. Anyhow for completeness, the «» sublegends on the [] keys are also in the wrong spot for what it matters.
Update for today:
New kitting posted
Header image is outdated (will try to get an updated render for it since original Royal Alphas is no longer available)
New quotes incoming
Sorry this one is taking a long time, it set requires a lot of assistance from JTK, zF, and Novelkeys to make this dream come true for me.
- Pipe key in Royal Alpha base set should have the right legends in light green, not dark
Both sets:
- :eek: Top right symbol in += key should be ÷ instead of +
- ², ³ and ¥ in their respective 2@, 3# and -_ keys should be in bottom right, not top right (those were also wrong in the GMK version)
- 5% is missing € symbol in bottom right (in GMK version it was in top right, this JTK version doesn't have the symbol).
I pointed out a few of these a while ago but didn't get any reply, I think. Anyhow for completeness, the «» sublegends on the [] keys are also in the wrong spot for what it matters.
Update for today:
New kitting posted
Header image is outdated (will try to get an updated render for it since original Royal Alphas is no longer available)
New quotes incoming
Sorry this one is taking a long time, it set requires a lot of assistance from JTK, zF, and Novelkeys to make this dream come true for me.
- Pipe key in Royal Alpha base set should have the right legends in light green, not dark
Both sets:
- :eek: Top right symbol in += key should be ÷ instead of +
- ², ³ and ¥ in their respective 2@, 3# and -_ keys should be in bottom right, not top right (those were also wrong in the GMK version)
- 5% is missing € symbol in bottom right (in GMK version it was in top right, this JTK version doesn't have the symbol).
Update for today:
New kitting posted
Header image is outdated (will try to get an updated render for it since original Royal Alphas is no longer available)
New quotes incoming
Sorry this one is taking a long time, it set requires a lot of assistance from JTK, zF, and Novelkeys to make this dream come true for me.
- Pipe key in Royal Alpha base set should have the right legends in light green, not dark
Both sets:
- :eek: Top right symbol in += key should be ÷ instead of +
- ², ³ and ¥ in their respective 2@, 3# and -_ keys should be in bottom right, not top right (those were also wrong in the GMK version)
- 5% is missing € symbol in bottom right (in GMK version it was in top right, this JTK version doesn't have the symbol).
I pointed out a few of these a while ago but didn't get any reply, I think. Anyhow for completeness, the «» sublegends on the [] keys are also in the wrong spot for what it matters.
Å on the W key has a dot over it instead of a circle. I pointed this out earlier but I also don't think I received a reply for that. If new renders aren't made for the GB then I won't know if this will be corrected in the physical product unless it is confirmed.
Thanks for the update, love the spacebar kits!I opted to not have the HHKB control because the sublegend already exists
Btw, are the bottom two rows same profile (i.e. R4 R4) or different profile (R4 R5)?
(might be obvious but I'm not familiar with JTK)
Also, is there still any chance for a 1.75u Control key (i.e. with "Control" in the primary legend, like the bottom row one)?
Since you're already adding the HHKB backspace, I thought it would make sense to also get a proper HHKB control key :)
(but I could live without it, as the current kit at least has "Control" in the secondary legend)
Thanks again!
The + to ÷ change for the sublegend is going to get made for sure.
5% is missing € symbol is going to get made for sure.
Placement of sublegends and the differences between GMK and the correctness of it, this is something I'll need to think about a little bit more.
A part of me says to follow what was done before me, but another part is telling me that since these are new molds I might as well make it right.
Please give me the weekend to think this over.
every time I see this thread I always think it says grosjean. Hopefully this set doesn't crash like he does lolIf it does - it was Ericssons fault!
I hope you also fixed the Å, render shows a dot over it, instead of the correct circle.
New renders will show the ÷, will fix the sublegend color issue on that one key, and the 5 will have the euro sign on it.
Yes, this was fixed also.I hope you also fixed the Å, render shows a dot over it, instead of the correct circle.
New renders will show the ÷, will fix the sublegend color issue on that one key, and the 5 will have the euro sign on it.
New renders in queue for the fixes.
This weekend I spent a good deal of time reflecting on what I wanted this set to look like and it really boiled down to me wanting GMK Griseann but never being able to get it.
With that being said, I understand that the sublegends aren't 100% accurate (and I hate to do this) but it's more aesthetic. I really hate having to use the aesthetic defense as a means of getting what I want. Everyone's concerns are valid and I understand them.
New renders will show the ÷, will fix the sublegend color issue on that one key, and the 5 will have the euro sign on it.
After these changes, I don't expect any more since we're ready to move this into GB. The overarching reason why some changes didn't happen (addition of keys, addition of more tripleshot keys like the EU ones, etc.) is going to be the cost. New molds are very very very expensive and the cost of these are going to be trickled down to y'all. We'll try to make prices competitive but there's only so much I can do on my end to make it the same price as typical JTK sets.
Thank you all.
New renders in queue for the fixes.
This weekend I spent a good deal of time reflecting on what I wanted this set to look like and it really boiled down to me wanting GMK Griseann but never being able to get it.
With that being said, I understand that the sublegends aren't 100% accurate (and I hate to do this) but it's more aesthetic. I really hate having to use the aesthetic defense as a means of getting what I want. Everyone's concerns are valid and I understand them.
New renders will show the ÷, will fix the sublegend color issue on that one key, and the 5 will have the euro sign on it.
After these changes, I don't expect any more since we're ready to move this into GB. The overarching reason why some changes didn't happen (addition of keys, addition of more tripleshot keys like the EU ones, etc.) is going to be the cost. New molds are very very very expensive and the cost of these are going to be trickled down to y'all. We'll try to make prices competitive but there's only so much I can do on my end to make it the same price as typical JTK sets.
Thank you all.
(and it also makes a bit sad to know that the JTK "US Intl." sets form now on most likely always will have these small errors, as no-one probably will ever pay for new molds with correct sublegends etc.).
With that being said, I understand that the sublegends aren't 100% accurate (and I hate to do this) but it's more aesthetic. I really hate having to use the aesthetic defense as a means of getting what I want. Everyone's concerns are valid and I understand them.
Btw, are the bottom two rows same profile (i.e. R4 R4) or different profile (R4 R5)?
Make the legends right is in the best interest of the manufacturer with a benefit for the consumers. It is also a once for all solution. Do not miss the chance to do it.I completely agree. Both sides are very valid in their arguments but I chose to make the decision to move forward with the aesthetic option.
Good morning (for me), final kits posted, updated renders.
Waiting to hear back from NK and zF on other details.
Note aside: the C with cedilla is pictured as lowercase: ç instead of Ç.
A) All the keycaps that include a secondary letter (A/Á, N/Ñ, P/Ö, Z/Æ etc.) should present the secondary letter in the upper right corner instead of the lower right. ALL the letters are wrong, except ß (which is lowercase — the US international layout doesn't support the character ẞ ).
A) All the keycaps that include a secondary letter (A/Á, N/Ñ, P/Ö, Z/Æ etc.) should present the secondary letter in the upper right corner instead of the lower right. ALL the letters are wrong, except ß (which is lowercase — the US international layout doesn't support the character ẞ ).
Thank you for your analysis, it makes total sense.
Now, when talking about the regular alphas, I can absolutely see why @HoodrowThrillson prefers to take some artistic liberty (or rather: keep the inherited liberties), because putting the secondary uppercase letters in the top-right really would look wrong - don't you agree?
The behavior of the regular alphas is self-explanatory. For the more symbol-y keys on the alphas, where the "rules" are not self-explanatory (such as ß/§ or ©/¢) the legends seem mostly correct (well, except for «» I think?).
To me, the fixes suggested by @Endeavour1934 (putting ², ³, and ¥ on the bottom right) are the only ones I would really hope for (plus the ones you pointed out in addition: €, «, » and ç), as the current placement does not have the benefit of the "self-explanatoryness" of the letters on the alpha keys, and they violate how the keys to their left and right behave.
A) All the keycaps that include a secondary letter (A/Á, N/Ñ, P/Ö, Z/Æ etc.) should present the secondary letter in the upper right corner instead of the lower right. ALL the letters are wrong, except ß (which is lowercase — the US international layout doesn't support the character ẞ ).
Thank you for your analysis, it makes total sense.
Now, when talking about the regular alphas, I can absolutely see why @HoodrowThrillson prefers to take some artistic liberty (or rather: keep the inherited liberties), because putting the secondary uppercase letters in the top-right really would look wrong - don't you agree?
To each his or her own, of course, BUT... I totally disagree: getting the secondary uppercase legend in the lower right corner is precisely what looks dead wrong to me. And since the US international layout adds so many letters to the tertiary (AltGr) and quaternary (AltGr-Shift) layers, it looks VERY wrong.
Note aside: the C with cedilla is pictured as lowercase: ç instead of Ç.
HOWEVER, several symbols are accessed through AltGr, but they are placed in the upper right corner instead of the lower right corner: ² ³ € ¥ « » ... they should be moved down.
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/vjvXYEs.png)
I prefer pipe version 4, since there already is the HHKB backspace as @depletedvespene pointed out.
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I have to respectfully disagree. Putting alpha legends in the bottom right corner is a stylistic choice that is acceptable to make. Alphas occupy both the shifted and non-shifted positions (in this case both AltGr and Shift+AltGr). This is something that's been done in professionally designed keyboards for decades, for obvious reasons (it looks better). As a matter of fact, you'd be hard-pressed to find any keyboard that does it the way you described with both legends in the top, i.e. the 100% proper way.
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For example, this is why it was okay for Apple to put uppercase alphas in the bottom left corner on their Extended Keyboards, …
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Here's an IBM Russian/English keyboard to demonstrate what I mean:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/HR4wRub.jpg)
Alphas can be seen in both the top and bottom corners, but the symbols are always in the correct positions.
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/vjvXYEs.png)
Thank you for working this out, @konstantin. This exactly reflects how I feel about it.
I prefer pipe version 4, since there already is the HHKB backspace as @depletedvespene pointed out.
@HoodrowThrillson could you at least see it in your heart to offer an "OCD" kit with the correct legends? :))
I really am thankful for everyone's input, but this boils down (again) to what I set out to do, which is to do a JTK version of Griseann since we have the tech to do that.
More tripleshot molds = more money.
I don't have quotes in my hand for the cost of the base kit, but I know it'll be more expensive than usual JTK sets. Additionally, the cost of actually creating new molds is very expensive. I would have loved to have included more tripleshot keys but it boils down to keeping the cost down and trying to compete with the GMK flood.
Also a part of keeping costs down, there is a MOQ that is very large, one that would probably make everyone's jaws drop.
I am thankful for konstantin and depletedvespene for dropping some big knowledge about sublegends, but at this time I am done making changed (outside of the C with the tail being lowercase, that will be fixed in the final version, although it may not be reflected in the renders).
I really am thankful for everyone's input, but this boils down (again) to what I set out to do, which is to do a JTK version of Griseann since we have the tech to do that.
there IS a standard, and following the spec must trump strictly aesthetic considerations. And if some "professionally designed keyboards" did it the wrong way... well, it's still wrong. Heck, let's look at Cherry's many mistakes for a quick primer on that.
(take notice, kids: this is as close to a knife fight as konstantin and I are ever going to get :D :D :D)
The original intention for this set (as I've explained a few times) is to recreate GMK Griseann but in tripleshot form. I did weigh the legend correctness a lot, but every time I came back to "why did I start this IC?" so the legends, although wrong, will stand. Legend correctness is a very valid concern and I appreciate everyone who has explained where these sublegends came from.
Right now, I am waiting on pricing so I can pass those along to other vendors.
For anyone interested, I believe I have created a keyboard layout for Windows that matches the spec for Griseann.
KbdEditInstaller-US-Griseann.exe (https://drive.google.com/file/d/18wzDqACMCGPrDTHGw6e2rlAybUcHl42h/view?usp=sharing)
I haven't had the opportunity to test it outside my own computer, so let me know!
For anyone interested, I believe I have created a keyboard layout for Windows that matches the spec for Griseann.
KbdEditInstaller-US-Griseann.exe (https://drive.google.com/file/d/18wzDqACMCGPrDTHGw6e2rlAybUcHl42h/view?usp=sharing)
I haven't had the opportunity to test it outside my own computer, so let me know!
What are its differences, compared to the "US International" layout that Micro$oft already provides?
For anyone interested, I believe I have created a keyboard layout for Windows that matches the spec for Griseann.
KbdEditInstaller-US-Griseann.exe (https://drive.google.com/file/d/18wzDqACMCGPrDTHGw6e2rlAybUcHl42h/view?usp=sharing)
I haven't had the opportunity to test it outside my own computer, so let me know!
For anyone interested, I believe I have created a keyboard layout for Windows that matches the spec for Griseann.
KbdEditInstaller-US-Griseann.exe (https://drive.google.com/file/d/18wzDqACMCGPrDTHGw6e2rlAybUcHl42h/view?usp=sharing)
I haven't had the opportunity to test it outside my own computer, so let me know!
Oh sweet, much appreciated. This of course is also a way to fix it :D.
Is this a no-dead-keys variant? (And if not, would you mind making one at some point? ;D )
I just made its functionality match up to the plastic layout (assuming that C-with-cedilla becomes capitalized in the final legends).To my knowledge, the US-intl and UK-intl (for ISO) on MS Windows are matching the legends ? The "ç" is lower case by default unless you shift it (then it becomes capitalized as "Ç"). Source: am using UK-intl right now.
The standard use of US International is with dead keys like ´ ` ¨ ^ ~ ' without them it may turn a bit hard to use to write in other languages but English.The edited layout implementation posted keeps the dead keys but changes how they are accessed.
To my knowledge, the US-intl and UK-intl (for ISO) on MS Windows are matching the legends ? The "ç" is lower case by default unless you shift it (then it becomes capitalized as "Ç"). Source: am using UK-intl right now.
And yeah you really need the dead keys.
I was going to mention this earlier, but forgot because we got caught up discussing the sublegend positioning. Does it even make sense to include these keys?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/H42UbWK.png)
Since the set is based specifically on and entirely around the US-International layout as seen on GMK Griseann, these UK keys don't really fit in and would just cause you to have “holes” in the sublegends on the 2, 3 and ' keys if you decided to use them. OG Griseann didn't have these keys.
It would make more sense to drop them and keep just US ISO keys (the two R3 and R4 keys that aren't circled). Even better would be having just R3 \|, R4 <> — that's proper US ISO and two less tripleshot molds.
The standard use of US International is with dead keys like ´ ` ¨ ^ ~ ' without them it may turn a bit hard to use to write in other languages but English.
Take a closer look. The issue is that the legends show certain characters, such as € and ², on the Shift+AltGr layer (top right), while in the actual layout they're on the AltGr layer (bottom right).Oh i see, indeed they should be on non-shifted layer.
UK-Extended (UK-International doesn't exist as a standard layout) is not compatible with this keyset because it's lacking most of the special characters that are shown on the keys.Still i'm using an UK-Intl here on Ubuntu, that i customized to my preference, and another UK-Intl on Windows that's pretty much what this keyset shows (from memory, most of the altgr symbols do match). Never heard of a "standard" for those (as opposed to the various ISO national layouts), i always thought they were hacky ways of making English keyboards compatible with European languages.
Still i'm using an UK-Intl here on Ubuntu, that i customized to my preference, and another UK-Intl on Windows that's pretty much what this keyset shows (from memory, most of the altgr symbols do match). Never heard of a "standard" for those (as opposed to the various ISO national layouts), i always thought they were hacky ways of making English keyboards compatible with European languages.
I was going to mention this earlier, but forgot because we got caught up discussing the sublegend positioning. Does it even make sense to include these keys?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/H42UbWK.png)
Since the set is based specifically on and entirely around the US-International layout as seen on GMK Griseann, these UK keys don't really fit in and would just cause you to have “holes” in the sublegends on the 2, 3 and ' keys if you decided to use them. OG Griseann didn't have these keys.
It would make more sense to drop them and keep just US ISO keys (the two R3 and R4 keys that aren't circled). Even better would be having just R3 \|, R4 <> — that's proper US ISO and two less tripleshot molds.
Those keys are for the UK layout and does not belong to US International. The so called ISO keys that you mentioned are a better fit for the set, as they may allow the use of an ISO Enter, if it available.
I like the new non-sublegend keys in the base kit, however in my opinion there is a problem.More tripleshot molds = higher costs. I'm trying to keep the cost reasonable.
Some UK keys have sublegends, and some don't, so as a result it would look quite weird.
To fix this I think all the UK keys should have both sublegend and non-sublegend variants as it would allow for a consistent aesthetic.
thanks.
Thanks for the update! That's still a great price - given the extensive base kit - and especially considering it's a trippleshot set with all new molds :cool:That is something I don't know but will ask.
Do you have some infos to share on the process?
I assume they won't start making the molds until the GB is over?
Will you get a chance to review their files and/or final molds for correctness to ensure the result is as desired?
Minor update
New kitting for both base kits. We've added (what appears to be) random doubleshot alphas. Now, here's why: when JTK is making the new molds, these keys are going to be created as a byproduct. Instead of throwing them away, we'll be tossing it into the base set of each respective color way. You may wonder why a normal plain alphas kit wasn't just added? Because that would require more keys. The goal was to try to reduce waste.
Thanks y'all. Next update will be pricing and GB date.
Is the Griseann base color similar to GMK's CR?
All these tripleshot molds are brand new.
I wanted to add more tripleshot keys (ones for ISO users and such as another user pointed out early in the IC) but increasing the cost of the total molds = higher prices for you. Now I don't know how much these molds cost but I have heard a ball park figure that made me go :eek:
The original intention for this set (as I've explained a few times) is to recreate GMK Griseann but in tripleshot form. I did weigh the legend correctness a lot, but every time I came back to "why did I start this IC?" so the legends, although wrong, will stand. Legend correctness is a very valid concern and I appreciate everyone who has explained where these sublegends came from.
Right now, I am waiting on pricing so I can pass those along to other vendors.
Yes, it will be the same as shown in renders. These kits are locked in so I'm avoiding making any changes now.All these tripleshot molds are brand new.
I wanted to add more tripleshot keys (ones for ISO users and such as another user pointed out early in the IC) but increasing the cost of the total molds = higher prices for you. Now I don't know how much these molds cost but I have heard a ball park figure that made me go :eek:
The original intention for this set (as I've explained a few times) is to recreate GMK Griseann but in tripleshot form. I did weigh the legend correctness a lot, but every time I came back to "why did I start this IC?" so the legends, although wrong, will stand. Legend correctness is a very valid concern and I appreciate everyone who has explained where these sublegends came from.
Right now, I am waiting on pricing so I can pass those along to other vendors.
Dear Mr. HoodrowThrillson, I have a question regarding the <> key, so called ISO key: Would the <> legends be white and the \| legends green? This key is not part of the US International layout. However, for most European users having the <> as primary legends on this key is just natural, but for British.
Yes, it will be the same as shown in renders. These kits are locked in so I'm avoiding making any changes now.All these tripleshot molds are brand new.
I wanted to add more tripleshot keys (ones for ISO users and such as another user pointed out early in the IC) but increasing the cost of the total molds = higher prices for you. Now I don't know how much these molds cost but I have heard a ball park figure that made me go :eek:
The original intention for this set (as I've explained a few times) is to recreate GMK Griseann but in tripleshot form. I did weigh the legend correctness a lot, but every time I came back to "why did I start this IC?" so the legends, although wrong, will stand. Legend correctness is a very valid concern and I appreciate everyone who has explained where these sublegends came from.
Right now, I am waiting on pricing so I can pass those along to other vendors.
Dear Mr. HoodrowThrillson, I have a question regarding the <> key, so called ISO key: Would the <> legends be white and the \| legends green? This key is not part of the US International layout. However, for most European users having the <> as primary legends on this key is just natural, but for British.
Is there 2.25u shift in the base kit?
Is there 2.25u shift in the base kit?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/sAWG3f7.png)
It is standard for ANSI sets.
Is there 2.25u shift in the base kit?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/sAWG3f7.png)
It is standard for ANSI sets.
Nah i meant the second (another one) 2.25 shift like for leopold 660
Is there 2.25u shift in the base kit?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/sAWG3f7.png)
It is standard for ANSI sets.
Nah i meant the second (another one) 2.25 shift like for leopold 660Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/TEa5U4Y.png)
Is there 2.25u shift in the base kit?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/sAWG3f7.png)
It is standard for ANSI sets.
Nah i meant the second (another one) 2.25 shift like for leopold 660
Updated pricing, includes everyone but Monokei (which I should have this week).
2.5 weeks till GB launches, see y'all then!
I'm sorry to hear that.Updated pricing, includes everyone but Monokei (which I should have this week).
2.5 weeks till GB launches, see y'all then!
My wallet knows, that she's gonna die, really soon.
Why is zfrontier charging more..this makes no sense.I'm sorry to hear that.Updated pricing, includes everyone but Monokei (which I should have this week).
2.5 weeks till GB launches, see y'all then!
My wallet knows, that she's gonna die, really soon.
Side note, I have pricing back from all vendors.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/aKUXDZE.png)
Why is zfrontier charging more..this makes no sense.I'm sorry to hear that.Updated pricing, includes everyone but Monokei (which I should have this week).
2.5 weeks till GB launches, see y'all then!
My wallet knows, that she's gonna die, really soon.
Side note, I have pricing back from all vendors.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/aKUXDZE.png)
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Their pricing is line with other vendors for past JTK sets though..they charge extra only for gmk. See JTK azure IC for reference.Why is zfrontier charging more..this makes no sense.I'm sorry to hear that.Updated pricing, includes everyone but Monokei (which I should have this week).
2.5 weeks till GB launches, see y'all then!
My wallet knows, that she's gonna die, really soon.
Side note, I have pricing back from all vendors.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/aKUXDZE.png)
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zFrontier offers free international shipping.
If any Koreans are browsing this ancient forum (formerly known as Geekhack), I've added Swagkey as the KR vendor for this set.Thanks for the notice. Also, I seem to be a bit out of the loop here - what is this forum currently known as?
Also this is your 1 week notice
If any Koreans are browsing this ancient forum (formerly known as Geekhack), I've added Swagkey as the KR vendor for this set.Thanks for the notice. Also, I seem to be a bit out of the loop here - what is this forum currently known as?
Also this is your 1 week notice
formerly known as geekhackIf any Koreans are browsing this ancient forum (formerly known as Geekhack), I've added Swagkey as the KR vendor for this set.Thanks for the notice. Also, I seem to be a bit out of the loop here - what is this forum currently known as?
Also this is your 1 week notice
geekhack
Are there any renders of griseann with the green accent kit?No there is not.
i love you hoodrow but i gotta aski sweet talked you
how the hell did you get approval from me to render jtk on hbcp weirdchamp
Friendly reminder, this GB starts in 2 days (Friday, November 13th).
Where's the group buy thread at?Waiting for approval from a mod (i'm joke lmao)