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Title: What is your keyboard's car equivalent?
Post by: ddrfraser1 on Fri, 29 May 2020, 14:11:15: Inspired by a manofinterests post over on keebtalk.

If the KBD67 is the Miata/MX-5 of keyboards, and the Model M is the Cadillac, what are other keyboards?
Title: Re: What is your keyboard's car equivalent?
Post by: Maledicted on Fri, 29 May 2020, 14:41:14: I may actually start by disputing the Model M being a good analogue for a Cadillac. Cadillac, to me, means luxury and refinement. You would think that would go to something more like an SKCM blue alps boards of some sort. I don't particularly like the tactile event of membrane buckling spring myself, so I would put it closer to a Jeep Wrangler. They look like they're lots of fun to drive, if even just for the way they look and sound, they're rugged (with some rough edges). They're quirky, interesting, abundant, and desirable, in spite of their flaws.

I'm using a Matias Mini Tactile Pro at the moment, so what could that be? It is small, sleek, and noisy, yet utilitarian/practical. It is making me think of my Chevy Sonic sedan, as unexciting/unappealing as that is. It gets great gas mileage, it has a good balance between cost, size, build quality (in terms of materials), passenger capacity, storage space, and yet even with an unimpressive 4 cylinder engine has a throaty/rumbly American sound to its engine when accelerating. It is relatively fun to drive, although that is somewhat handicapped by modern cheapening/"innovation", with an electronic clutch, power steering, gas pedal, etc ... like Matias switches eventual adaptation from the mighty Alps. Seeing as the overall reliability, being a GM vehicle, is basically a mystery box, I imagine that fits pretty well with Matias' current reputation as well (I'll see for myself in time).
Title: Re: What is your keyboard's car equivalent?
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 29 May 2020, 14:43:48: I'm thinking that my 122-key Model F terminal is a Cord Westchester.
Title: Re: What is your keyboard's car equivalent?
Post by: Maledicted on Fri, 29 May 2020, 14:54:14: Quote from: fohat.digs on Fri, 29 May 2020, 14:43:48
I'm thinking that my 122-key Model F terminal is a Cord Westchester.

Cords are freaking cool. What makes an F122 like a Westchester? Walk us through it.
Title: Re: What is your keyboard's car equivalent?
Post by: funkmon on Fri, 29 May 2020, 15:11:57: (https://www.speednik.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2016/10/2016-10-11_04-36-12.jpg)
Title: Re: What is your keyboard's car equivalent?
Post by: Maledicted on Fri, 29 May 2020, 15:18:43: Quote from: funkmon on Fri, 29 May 2020, 15:11:57
Show Image
(https://www.speednik.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2016/10/2016-10-11_04-36-12.jpg)

Nice, lol. What board though?
Title: Re: What is your keyboard's car equivalent?
Post by: ddrfraser1 on Fri, 29 May 2020, 16:44:15: Quote from: fohat.digs on Fri, 29 May 2020, 14:43:48
I'm thinking that my 122-key Model F terminal is a Cord Westchester.

Ha! Brutal. I was thinking the F 122 was more like an old ford f 350 (or some other workhorse). This thing is more like an IBM Selectric typewriter.
Title: Re: What is your keyboard's car equivalent?
Post by: funkmon on Fri, 29 May 2020, 18:46:04: Quote from: Maledicted on Fri, 29 May 2020, 15:18:43
Quote from: funkmon on Fri, 29 May 2020, 15:11:57
Show Image
(https://www.speednik.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2016/10/2016-10-11_04-36-12.jpg)

Nice, lol. What board though?

(https://i.imgur.com/tVJtP4k.jpg)
Title: Re: What is your keyboard's car equivalent?
Post by: Leslieann on Fri, 29 May 2020, 21:11:39: A old Hot Rod.
Modified to heck with almost nothing original remaining.
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Post by: atarione on Sat, 30 May 2020, 00:33:00: Filco ... MT2
Title: Re: What is your keyboard's car equivalent?
Post by: typo on Sat, 30 May 2020, 03:04:59: I do not mean to be a jerk. I feel that my lovely one of a kind Korean custom MF108 V3 is a Bugatti lol. Topre is like an Armored car.
Title: Re: What is your keyboard's car equivalent?
Post by: perry4761 on Sat, 30 May 2020, 15:17:29: I currently have a Ducky One 2 mini, so I guess a Subaru BRZ would be an appropriate comparison? I'm hoping to make my HMKB80 worthy of being called a Brabus or Hennessey when it finally arrives, hopefully around September
Title: Re: What is your keyboard's car equivalent?
Post by: treeleaf64 on Mon, 01 June 2020, 15:19:19: [attachimg=1][attachimg=2]

IBM Pingmaster (daily driver)
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Post by: Sintpinty on Tue, 02 June 2020, 14:53:11: I suppose mines is a budget option that ends up lasting you for years on the road such as a Toyota corrola
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Post by: Bonsa on Tue, 02 June 2020, 17:49:00: 40% are like a Smart.
Super small, but very versatile (Brabus Smart i.e.)
Title: Re: What is your keyboard's car equivalent?
Post by: typo on Tue, 02 June 2020, 18:25:16: Nothing wrong with Corolla. One heck of a car. Probably car most likely routinely to go over 1 million miles without overhaul. I like how it has evolved too. It is just a high quality car. Sips gas. They would never make a hybrid because it already gets 40+mpg. It is not slow either. I mean it is not a Z06 but it is just fine. Anything compared to it is a compliment.
Title: Re: What is your keyboard's car equivalent?
Post by: noisyturtle on Tue, 02 June 2020, 23:05:38: A custom TKL w/ lubed pandas in a thick red metal case and purple GMK's?

hmm too big to be sporty, too heavy to be exotic, but not even 104 sized and customized a fair amount?

ehh likely some sort of muscle car I reckon, but deff not something you'd see normally. Something heavy and powerful and distinct with lots of torque.

I'd say my keyboard is a Plymouth Hemi Cuda, 'bout the shape of it too. Bonus that it actually happens to come in red and purple.
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Title: Re: What is your keyboard's car equivalent?
Post by: Maledicted on Wed, 03 June 2020, 14:12:59: Quote from: noisyturtle on Tue, 02 June 2020, 23:05:38
A custom TKL w/ lubed pandas in a thick red metal case and purple GMK's?

hmm too big to be sporty, too heavy to be exotic, but not even 104 sized and customized a fair amount?

ehh likely some sort of muscle car I reckon, but deff not something you'd see normally. Something heavy and powerful and distinct with lots of torque.

I'd say my keyboard is a Plymouth Hemi Cuda, 'bout the shape of it too. Bonus that it actually happens to come in red and purple.

Nice. Well thought-out. Shouldn't a muscle car have some thunderously loud clicky switches though? ;) I could see the exotics and tuners being more of a linear and tactile thing. No pointless bark, all bite.

Those old Cudas are some of my favorite cars of all time.
Title: Re: What is your keyboard's car equivalent?
Post by: Findecanor on Wed, 03 June 2020, 14:24:01: Lamborghini Countach - lookalike body of plastic built over of a Volvo hatchback chassis.
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Title: Re: What is your keyboard's car equivalent?
Post by: Leslieann on Wed, 03 June 2020, 19:27:08: Quote from: Findecanor on Wed, 03 June 2020, 14:24:01
Lamborghini Countach - lookalike body of plastic built over of a Volvo hatchback chassis.
What the heck keyboard are you using, because, wow.
Title: Re: What is your keyboard's car equivalent?
Post by: Polymer on Wed, 03 June 2020, 20:31:34: Quote from: Maledicted on Fri, 29 May 2020, 14:41:14
I may actually start by disputing the Model M being a good analogue for a Cadillac. Cadillac, to me, means luxury and refinement.
Have you ever driven an older Caddy? Or a newer one for that matter. And compared it to a comparably Japanese or German Luxury Car? Cadillacs are pigs. Big chunky hunks of metal. A model M is a good example of that. A big hunking chunk of metal. The only difference is the Model M is actually reliable and made to last, I can't say the same for Cadillac.
Title: Re: What is your keyboard's car equivalent?
Post by: ddrfraser1 on Wed, 03 June 2020, 20:37:38: Quote from: Polymer on Wed, 03 June 2020, 20:31:34
Quote from: Maledicted on Fri, 29 May 2020, 14:41:14
I may actually start by disputing the Model M being a good analogue for a Cadillac. Cadillac, to me, means luxury and refinement.
Have you ever driven an older Caddy? Or a newer one for that matter. And compared it to a comparably Japanese or German Luxury Car? Cadillacs are pigs. Big chunky hunks of metal. A model M is a good example of that. A big hunking chunk of metal. The only difference is the Model M is actually reliable and made to last, I can't say the same for Cadillac.

Haha, can’t say I disagree. It’s more about the expression than the reality.
Title: Re: What is your keyboard's car equivalent?
Post by: Findecanor on Thu, 04 June 2020, 01:35:53: Quote from: Leslieann on Wed, 03 June 2020, 19:27:08
Quote from: Findecanor on Wed, 03 June 2020, 14:24:01
Lamborghini Countach - lookalike body of plastic built over of a Volvo hatchback chassis.
What the heck keyboard are you using, because, wow.
The idea was to say that it is plastic, home-made and not that great...
I couldn't think of another model kit-type car. I had seen that one at a convention.
Title: Re: What is your keyboard's car equivalent?
Post by: jamster on Thu, 04 June 2020, 01:52:05: Quote from: Polymer on Wed, 03 June 2020, 20:31:34
Quote from: Maledicted on Fri, 29 May 2020, 14:41:14
I may actually start by disputing the Model M being a good analogue for a Cadillac. Cadillac, to me, means luxury and refinement.
Have you ever driven an older Caddy? Or a newer one for that matter. And compared it to a comparably Japanese or German Luxury Car? Cadillacs are pigs. Big chunky hunks of metal. A model M is a good example of that. A big hunking chunk of metal. The only difference is the Model M is actually reliable and made to last, I can't say the same for Cadillac.

The Cadillac analogies always sound weird to non-Americans. The brand perception outside the US tends to be big, gas guzzling cars with wallowing suspension and the handling of a bathtub. Yet the way it's used, you can tell it's it's supposed to be a complement.
Title: Re: What is your keyboard's car equivalent?
Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 04 June 2020, 07:34:35: Quote from: jamster on Thu, 04 June 2020, 01:52:05

The Cadillac analogies always sound weird to non-Americans.

The Cadillac was the premiere US automobile after World War 2 when Detroit was the auto capital of the world. "Hot rods" in the 1950s had reached their pinnacle when they could boast of having a Cadillac engine crammed into a much-too-small chassis.

It remained that way through the 1960s, but then GM started siphoning the value out of the car at a rapid rate, keeping only its size to set it apart from its siblings like Buicks and Pontiacs.

Equating Cadillac with quality has been ridiculous since the 1980s.
Title: Re: What is your keyboard's car equivalent?
Post by: funkmon on Thu, 04 June 2020, 16:52:43: How dare you. I cannot refute anything, but still.

-A Detroiter.
Title: Re: What is your keyboard's car equivalent?
Post by: Polymer on Thu, 04 June 2020, 17:42:54: Quote from: fohat.digs on Thu, 04 June 2020, 07:34:35
Quote from: jamster on Thu, 04 June 2020, 01:52:05

The Cadillac analogies always sound weird to non-Americans.

The Cadillac was the premiere US automobile after World War 2 when Detroit was the auto capital of the world. "Hot rods" in the 1950s had reached their pinnacle when they could boast of having a Cadillac engine crammed into a much-too-small chassis.

It remained that way through the 1960s, but then GM started siphoning the value out of the car at a rapid rate, keeping only its size to set it apart from its siblings like Buicks and Pontiacs.

Equating Cadillac with quality has been ridiculous since the 1980s.

Yeap...They had some interesting advancements in the 1980s which made the cars feel advanced feature wise, but just terrible reliability.

Boat/Bathtub/tank are all pretty descriptions as far as how they drive. HUGE front end with so much power to the power steering you don't feel like you have any real control over the car.

You would have thought today's Caddy's would be an improvement...NOPE. I do not know how that brand stays afloat other than older people who remember that these cars used to be good 50 years ago.

Sorry..off topic....Big heavy bathtub like keyboard? Sounds like Model M.
Title: Re: What is your keyboard's car equivalent?
Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 04 June 2020, 17:59:34: Quote from: Polymer on Thu, 04 June 2020, 17:42:54

Big heavy bathtub like keyboard? Sounds like Model M.

"Bathtub"? Hardly. Regardless of size and weight, IBM iron is crisp and tight.
Title: Re: What is your keyboard's car equivalent?
Post by: Polymer on Thu, 04 June 2020, 20:00:32: Quote from: fohat.digs on Thu, 04 June 2020, 17:59:34
Quote from: Polymer on Thu, 04 June 2020, 17:42:54

Big heavy bathtub like keyboard? Sounds like Model M.

"Bathtub"? Hardly. Regardless of size and weight, IBM iron is crisp and tight.

Compared to todays keyboard? It's gigantic..big and heavy...chunky. Crisp and tight? In what way?
Title: Re: What is your keyboard's car equivalent?
Post by: noisyturtle on Thu, 04 June 2020, 20:13:46: Quote from: Polymer on Thu, 04 June 2020, 20:00:32
Quote from: fohat.digs on Thu, 04 June 2020, 17:59:34
Quote from: Polymer on Thu, 04 June 2020, 17:42:54

Big heavy bathtub like keyboard? Sounds like Model M.

"Bathtub"? Hardly. Regardless of size and weight, IBM iron is crisp and tight.

Compared to todays keyboard? It's gigantic..big and heavy...chunky. Crisp and tight? In what way?

I think there is some contention in this thread regarding a keyboard's ability and a keyboard's soul in relation to it's vehicular representation. I see two different camps setting up here.
Title: Re: What is your keyboard's car equivalent?
Post by: Maledicted on Fri, 05 June 2020, 15:10:16: Quote from: noisyturtle on Thu, 04 June 2020, 20:13:46
Quote from: Polymer on Thu, 04 June 2020, 20:00:32
Quote from: fohat.digs on Thu, 04 June 2020, 17:59:34
Quote from: Polymer on Thu, 04 June 2020, 17:42:54

Big heavy bathtub like keyboard? Sounds like Model M.

"Bathtub"? Hardly. Regardless of size and weight, IBM iron is crisp and tight.

Compared to todays keyboard? It's gigantic..big and heavy...chunky. Crisp and tight? In what way?

I think there is some contention in this thread regarding a keyboard's ability and a keyboard's soul in relation to it's vehicular representation. I see two different camps setting up here.

We're talking about comparing keyboards to cars here. If anything is subjective, it is this. I don't know that there are necessarily any camps, just people genuinely trying to figure out the best fit. That can be difficult, even if you consider a lot of distinct characteristics, and even then there are probably even more models of car than keyboard, so who's to say what's right even if it could all be 100% objective?

I don't think a little disagreement is a bad thing if it stays civil. I imagine that that's guaranteed since I can't imagine anybody has a particular emotional investment in whether or not their keyboard is most like a Koenigsegg or a Pinto.
Title: Re: What is your keyboard's car equivalent?
Post by: ddrfraser1 on Sat, 06 June 2020, 17:50:42: This iKBC MF 108 is a mom SUV. Sits high above the road, solidly built, high end but not at luxury prices. Very smooth ride and heavy AF.

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Post by: HPE1000 on Sat, 06 June 2020, 19:04:57: (https://www.exoticcarlist.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/ferrari-360-modena-01.jpg)
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Post by: dgneo on Sat, 06 June 2020, 19:45:44: (https://stanceworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/rusty-slammington-title.jpg)
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Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 06 June 2020, 20:57:19: After more consideration, I suppose that my keyboard is rather similar to my car, a well-maintained, 12-year-old Honda Odyssey.
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Post by: ddrfraser1 on Sun, 07 June 2020, 09:30:17: But what keyboard are you guys comparing these cars to? Don’t just post pictures of cars.
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Post by: xIHA on Sun, 07 June 2020, 10:16:13: It's even in the name
Ferarri 456gt
Title: Re: What is your keyboard's car equivalent?
Post by: jamster on Sun, 07 June 2020, 10:51:30: (https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/images/products/large_2868_87UWV_1.jpg)

(http://smclassiccars.com/uploads/postfotos/1973-mercedes-benz-280-beige-with-27766-miles-available-now-5.jpg)

Maybe I need to find some chrome keycaps.
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Post by: squizzler on Sun, 07 June 2020, 14:49:51: I have an idea what my motoring equivalent of my Minidox would be. It is not really a vehicle as it is two separate halves: and is just big enough to accommodate both hands, feels like an extension of the body:
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse2.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.8jxI2_4r6qRgXA_9k79gqgHaD-%26pid%3DApi&f=1)

Might we assume a stenotype machine is the keyboard equivalent of a high powered sports motorcycle: in the right hands it would destroy any conventional keyboard, but not for everyone.
Title: Re: What is your keyboard's car equivalent?
Post by: fohat.digs on Sun, 07 June 2020, 17:53:13: Like me, seasoned (ie old), big, competent, reliable, and opinionated.
Title: Re: What is your keyboard's car equivalent?
Post by: Maledicted on Sun, 07 June 2020, 21:21:48: Quote from: fohat.digs on Sun, 07 June 2020, 17:53:13
Like me, seasoned (ie old), big, competent, reliable, and opinionated.

Seeing that crazy old F122 never gets old. I bet it will still be working long after even that Honda is a steel cube rusting in a scrapyard.
Title: Re: What is your keyboard's car equivalent?
Post by: fohat.digs on Mon, 08 June 2020, 07:35:06: Quote from: Maledicted on Sun, 07 June 2020, 21:21:48

Seeing that crazy old F122 never gets old.

I have really ruined/spoiled myself by using this for the last few years. It just seems so "right" that it makes regular keyboards, especially old IBM iron, seem "wrong" when the top case shell is installed.

The car analogy is really disingenuous: how many 1984 cars, used daily, are still going strong without requiring regular maintenance and repair?
Title: Re: What is your keyboard's car equivalent?
Post by: Maledicted on Mon, 08 June 2020, 08:35:47: Quote from: fohat.digs on Mon, 08 June 2020, 07:35:06
Quote from: Maledicted on Sun, 07 June 2020, 21:21:48

Seeing that crazy old F122 never gets old.

I have really ruined/spoiled myself by using this for the last few years. It just seems so "right" that it makes regular keyboards, especially old IBM iron, seem "wrong" when the top case shell is installed.

The car analogy is really disingenuous: how many 1984 cars, used daily, are still going strong without requiring regular maintenance and repair?

I don't see many cars that old at all anymore, even with regular maintenance and repair. The winter road salt eats the frames here.
Title: Re: What is your keyboard's car equivalent?
Post by: ddrfraser1 on Mon, 08 June 2020, 09:09:29: Quote from: Maledicted on Sun, 07 June 2020, 21:21:48
Quote from: fohat.digs on Sun, 07 June 2020, 17:53:13
Like me, seasoned (ie old), big, competent, reliable, and opinionated.

Seeing that crazy old F122 never gets old. I bet it will still be working long after even that Honda is a steel cube rusting in a scrapyard.

It's Willy Wonka's keyboard
Title: Re: What is your keyboard's car equivalent?
Post by: Maledicted on Mon, 08 June 2020, 09:52:35: Quote from: ddrfraser1 on Mon, 08 June 2020, 09:09:29
Quote from: Maledicted on Sun, 07 June 2020, 21:21:48
Quote from: fohat.digs on Sun, 07 June 2020, 17:53:13
Like me, seasoned (ie old), big, competent, reliable, and opinionated.

Seeing that crazy old F122 never gets old. I bet it will still be working long after even that Honda is a steel cube rusting in a scrapyard.

It's Willy Wonka's keyboard

That would not surprise me in the least.
Title: Re: What is your keyboard's car equivalent?
Post by: fohat.digs on Mon, 08 June 2020, 09:58:16: Quote from: ddrfraser1 on Mon, 08 June 2020, 09:09:29

It's Willy Wonka's keyboard

Actually, it came from the Tardis.
Title: Re: What is your keyboard's car equivalent?
Post by: HG on Tue, 16 June 2020, 20:38:31: Quote from: ddrfraser1 on Fri, 29 May 2020, 14:11:15
Inspired by a manofinterests post over on keebtalk.

If the KBD67 is the Miata/MX-5 of keyboards, and the Model M is the Cadillac, what are other keyboards?

To me, the Model M is not a Cadillac. There is nothing "luxurious" about a Model M in terms of looks (not saying it is ugly, but it is definitely not designed with the intention of looking good—It is designed to work). I would say that the Model M is an APC, and the Model F is a tank.
Title: Re: What is your keyboard's car equivalent?
Post by: v6ak on Thu, 18 June 2020, 01:09:09: ErgoDox: https://1funny.com/car-split/
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Post by: drfilco on Sun, 21 June 2020, 21:31:19: Those ubiquitous Cherry point-of-sale keyboards behind the counters at Autozone and everywhere else... those things are like the Sprinter van of keebs.

The GMMK reminds me of a 90's Accord because it's cheap, easy to mod, and not bad for a daily driver.

The Norbaforce might be a VW Phaeton, because while the quality is (ostensibly) through the roof, the un-initiated might not have a reason to give a second look, assuming a mild colorway.
Title: Re: What is your keyboard's car equivalent?
Post by: stoicbias on Tue, 23 February 2021, 17:02:41: My Beastron Keyboard:

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/igUAAOSwiYlZ8i1M/s-l500.jpg)
Source: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Beastron-Backlit-Gaming-Keyboard-and-Mouse-Combo-with-Adjustable-DPI-for-Gamers-/122257792704 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Beastron-Backlit-Gaming-Keyboard-and-Mouse-Combo-with-Adjustable-DPI-for-Gamers-/122257792704)

I'd like to think of as a Mustang. Nice looking and above average but nothing too fancy.

(https://www.tdotperformance.ca/media/wysiwyg/article-sct_performance_top_quality_programmers_tuners-banner.jpg)
Source: https://www.tdotperformance.ca/auto-parts-canada/sct-performance-top-quality-programmers-tuners (https://www.tdotperformance.ca/auto-parts-canada/sct-performance-top-quality-programmers-tuners)
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Post by: buryberry on Tue, 23 February 2021, 18:06:33
Title: Re: What is your keyboard's car equivalent?
Post by: yui on Wed, 24 February 2021, 03:44:07: kinda feel like my pink 60% would be Hammond's pink convertible micra, small, pink, part Japanese, part European (my board is ISO with GMK Darling, the Nissan Micra is designed by Renault)
My Focus FK9200 would be like my daily driver, a Citroen BX, old, quirky (car with hydraulics from factory, a keyboard with calculator and clock), big and relatively light, and cheap (both in price and finish for both)
My M122 would be a VW beetle to me, built for decades, fairly cheap although solid and pretty much indestructible.
that would make the F a Porsche 356 and the Beamspring a Porsche 64 although i own neither :)
Title: Re: What is your keyboard's car equivalent?
Post by: seville57 on Wed, 24 February 2021, 10:28:29: This Caddy Eldorado Biarritz 57 is matching my black Ducky Shine 3 with Jukebox SA keycaps set.
(https://www.aeclassiccars.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/4-4.jpg)

Or this Caddy Eldorado Brougham 57.
(https://cdn.classicdigest.com/live/carimg/110801_110900/110813_147de541e1c3cc83.jpg)
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Post by: Darthbaggins on Wed, 24 February 2021, 17:22:21: I would say my modded Poker II w/ Gat Black Ink v1's would be closer to a LS swapped miata, lol