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geekhack Community => Ergonomics => Topic started by: phinix on Fri, 26 June 2020, 06:51:07
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Some time ago I have bought Logitech MX Master 3 mouse.
A soon as turned it on, I noticed a weird feeling, like a lag, some kind of latency when moving it around. I had so huge hopes about this and immediately it all went to bin, couldn't stnad this feeling - returned it within 30 minutes...
After a while I started to think - this can't be - the best bluetooth mouse cannot be that bad...
Was there some kind of settings I missed? Was it really that bad? Was I doing something wrong?
I'm now after a good wireless mouse, any recommendations?
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If your bluetooth is on the same chip as your wireless, that could be causing your lag.
edit: caffeine
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If your bluetooth is on the same chip as your wireless, that could be causing your lag.
edit: caffeine
Don't know, maybe I have, its Gigabyte Z390I Aorus Pro itx mobo.
If it is, what can I do to fix it?
I felt like when I was moving the mouse, cursor was about 0.25s slower in response. VERY annoying, this is why I returned it, but want to have wireless mouse so bad...:(
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My solution was to use the logitech unifying receiver? My experience with the bluetooth lag was on a Surface Pro 2 and a X1 Carbon (gen 3), and using the Logitech's dongle seemed to fix things. I've also had input issues when having a mouse (wired or dongle) connected to a dock, when I also had my network running through it, but I think that's down to either the processing power of the dock or too many network connections/things plugged in.
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Clearly phinix has got the semi-awakened Sharingan going on.
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My solution was to use the logitech unifying receiver? My experience with the bluetooth lag was on a Surface Pro 2 and a X1 Carbon (gen 3), and using the Logitech's dongle seemed to fix things. I've also had input issues when having a mouse (wired or dongle) connected to a dock, when I also had my network running through it, but I think that's down to either the processing power of the dock or too many network connections/things plugged in.
I guess I woul dneed to use receiver, but thing is I wanted a mouse with BT, that was a main reason for it.
Clearly phinix has got the semi-awakened Sharingan going on.
Yep, that's what has happened :))
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You're not the only one experiencing the lag from the mice. I recently bought 2 of the MX Master 3 for Mac Mices and ironically, they were terrible on my Macbook Pro. Lag and cursor skipping for days. Pretty much unacceptable for a wireless mouse at its price point (and because the versions of the Mice that I got were specifically designed for Mac compatibility). My Logitech G9x that I've been using for nearly a decade outperforms it in. *shrugs* Needlessly to say, I returned them within a day.
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I don't know how fair of a review that is, especially given how popular the mouse is.
I've got two MX Master 3 - one at home and one at work. I find no connection issues or lag at all using either BT on my iPad or the wireless dongle on my PC.
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from what i have read Bluetooth will have more latency than the unified receiver any which way you put it. the unified receiver uses a proprietary protocol optimized for that job while Bluetooth is as universal and slow as can be.
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from what i have read Bluetooth will have more latency than the unified receiver any which way you put it. the unified receiver uses a proprietary protocol optimized for that job while Bluetooth is as universal and slow as can be.
Sure, it'll also depend on a few other factors like interference.
I've just changed my MX 3 over from the unified receiver to Bluetooth (Intel® CNVi on an Z390 Aorus Master) and can't feel much difference in performance.
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from what i have read Bluetooth will have more latency than the unified receiver any which way you put it. the unified receiver uses a proprietary protocol optimized for that job while Bluetooth is as universal and slow as can be.
Sure, it'll also depend on a few other factors like interference.
I've just changed my MX 3 over from the unified receiver to Bluetooth (Intel® CNVi on an Z390 Aorus Master) and can't feel much difference in performance.
That is why I have a feeling that there was some setting set up incorrectly, that is why I felt this issue.
I just don't want to order it again to run tests. I want to make sure first what it was to get it again - I hate dissapointment ;)
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I'm having the same issues with an Anywhere 2S over BT. Previously had used the receiver and no issues. Paired with a (new) laptop, the mouse is occasionally laggy. I'll have go and find the receiver again.
Edit: Found the unifying receiver, mouse response is noticeably improved.
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Now I'm looking at Razer Mamba Wireless.... But its only 30 hours long, would need to charge it every second day.
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Which wireless mouse would you guys recommend?
MX Anywhere 2S? (1680hrs)
G703? (60hrs)
Razer Mamba Wireless? (60hrs)
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Which wireless mouse would you guys recommend?
MX Anywhere 2S? (1680hrs)
G703? (60hrs)
Razer Mamba Wireless? (60hrs)
Any mouse where I had to consciously think about charging on a regular basis would be very irritating. I know that there are wireless charging options for the G703 and the Razer, but I believe these are not cheap (and keeping lithium batteries constantly topped up to 100% is the best way to shorten their lifespan).
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Which wireless mouse would you guys recommend?
MX Anywhere 2S? (1680hrs)
G703? (60hrs)
Razer Mamba Wireless? (60hrs)
Any mouse where I had to consciously think about charging on a regular basis would be very irritating. I know that there are wireless charging options for the G703 and the Razer, but I believe these are not cheap (and keeping lithium batteries constantly topped up to 100% is the best way to shorten their lifespan).
Yeah, sounds liek those short battery time mice are a bit off, like you said I would need to constantly think about charging again, every night plugin them back in... nightmare...
Right now I have MX Anywhere 2S - grey - in the basket, about to hit BUY NOW button :)
I like the idea of having bright color mouse again.. this off-white/grey version is cool. Plus I would only need to charge it every 3 months.
On the other hand.. I'm worried it will be too small...
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So I bought this MX Anywhere 2S.
Then after 1 hour, sent it back... :(
It worked amazingly, 100% what I expected from wireless mouse, this is how MX Master 3 should have worked, when I bought it.
Worked fine, with BT and with dongle.
Why did I send it back? Size. It was unfortunately too small. I felt like I was holding it with two fingers most of the time as my hand wasn't even touching it. it was THAT small.
Jeeeeesus f christ...
OK. So what's next? G703? Or G Pro?
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I honestly think you just got unlucky with the unit of MX Master 3 you had, because I’ve had two that have worked fine in both BT and dongle mode.
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Logitech G604? I use for work and works fine, albeit not as "claw-grip-like" as I'd like but gets the job done, given the 9 extra macros that are available on the mouse.
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I honestly think you just got unlucky with the unit of MX Master 3 you had, because I’ve had two that have worked fine in both BT and dongle mode.
I've got the same problem, and a bit of Googling suggests that it's not uncommon. I'm running the latest BT drivers on my Thinkpad, have no other BT devices nearby. BT is laggy, the dongle works fine.
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OK. So what's next? G703? Or G Pro?
I'm G pro wireless user but I think you have a larger hand? So G703 is good for you, and yeah Logitech wireless mice will probably better than razer so just go for it.
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I've got the same problem, and a bit of Googling suggests that it's not uncommon. I'm running the latest BT drivers on my Thinkpad, have no other BT devices nearby. BT is laggy, the dongle works fine.
Interesting, I've tried with a PC, a laptop, an iPad and a Galaxy Tab and found no lag issues. It's fascinating (from a tech support kind of standpoint, anyway) that it's presenting so inconsistently
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Which wireless mouse would you guys recommend?
MX Anywhere 2S? (1680hrs)
G703? (60hrs)
Razer Mamba Wireless? (60hrs)
Razer Baselisk/Viper Ultimate, beats others with charging dock - you don't care about battery life anymore (although it is impressive).
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Which wireless mouse would you guys recommend?
MX Anywhere 2S? (1680hrs)
G703? (60hrs)
Razer Mamba Wireless? (60hrs)
Razer Baselisk/Viper Ultimate, beats others with charging dock - you don't care about battery life anymore (although it is impressive).
Sent from my Pixel 4 XL using Tapatalk
From the experience of using Viper Ultimate, I don't think the BT connection is very stable.
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I've got the same problem, and a bit of Googling suggests that it's not uncommon. I'm running the latest BT drivers on my Thinkpad, have no other BT devices nearby. BT is laggy, the dongle works fine.
Interesting, I've tried with a PC, a laptop, an iPad and a Galaxy Tab and found no lag issues. It's fascinating (from a tech support kind of standpoint, anyway) that it's presenting so inconsistently
1. Bluetooth implementation varies regardless official specifications. Some pairs (this laptop and this mode) may not talk to each other very well.
2. Bluetooth is prone to your local radio environment and you may have no idea about some interference sources nearby.
3. Bluetooth was not designed for fast lag free communication, every pro gamer advise to avoid it not only for mouse and keyboard but other gear like headset.
Therefore please do not blame any particular mouse and appreciate the fact MX Master has it as one of the connection options.
IMO it should be described as "alternative" option not main way to connect.
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Which wireless mouse would you guys recommend?
MX Anywhere 2S? (1680hrs)
G703? (60hrs)
Razer Mamba Wireless? (60hrs)
Razer Baselisk/Viper Ultimate, beats others with charging dock - you don't care about battery life anymore (although it is impressive).
Sent from my Pixel 4 XL using Tapatalk
From the experience of using Viper Ultimate, I don't think the BT connection is very stable.
I am talking about Razer RF dongle ONLY
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2. Bluetooth is prone to your local radio environment and you may have no idea about some interference sources nearby.
Sure, though I’d argue that you’d have to have an extremely busy RF space to be serious affected thanks to the adaptive frequency hopping that BT does. It’s purely anecdotal, but I’ve found BT perfectly functional in both a home environment with a lot of IoT devices operating in the 2.4GHz space as well as in an office environment with a lot of wireless devices operating in that space too.
As you say though, if you’re using a PC without a hard limit on ports (thanks to hubs) there’s really no reason not to just use the dongle, since Logitech have really nailed their wireless in that regard.
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OK, last night I foudn new Razer mouse - PRO CLICK.
So ordered it today.
Looks like similar shape to MX Master 3, but more subtle curves in my opinion. Shape wise should be better for me than MX3.
Will see....
(https://assets2.razerzone.com/images/razer-pro-click/razer-pro-click-2020-OGimage.jpg)
EDIT: just got a message from DHL that it is on its way. Thing is, it says its coming from Hong KOng! So I will have to pay vat and custom fees! WHen I was on theirs ide, it told me to switch to UK site, so I thought I'm buying from UK! Now I don't know if I should keep the order, or cancel it, as on top of 90 quid, I will get around 25 extra to pay... #^%$$(%(*&$&(&^#$ >:D
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Razer came in today. I think this is it :)
Feels great in my hand, works great on wireless, looks great, nice off-white and grey colors. I even set some macros in the bottons, cool:)
And I didn't have to pay tax and customs, so got it for £89.99 delivered:)
(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=33130.0;attach=250392;image)
(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=33130.0;attach=250394;image)
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Huh, they co-branded with a good furniture design company. Seems kind of random! Looks good though. I gather, from your previous comments, that it's a pretty large sized mouse? Hard to tell from the photo.
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Huh, they co-branded with a good furniture design company. Seems kind of random! Looks good though. I gather, from your previous comments, that it's a pretty large sized mouse? Hard to tell from the photo.
Well, is bigger than that Anywhere 2s mouse, but in size it is pretty much similar to standard - for example its same size as Logitech MX518 - only it has tilted profile a bit.