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Title: [IC] After | Noon - Two 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (GB post pending)
Post by: PleaseBeMyFriend on Wed, 01 July 2020, 04:59:28
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GB post up NOW: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=107414.msg2930924#msg2930924

Who are we?

ZTBoards is a two-man operation, and we are making our debut with the release of the AfterNoon keyboards. Individually, we are:

                Ellicose - runner of Cheshire, Ilpse, and a few other small private group buys
                PleaseBeMyFriend - builder for TypeMachina and JapaneseHorrorWriter (I tried to DM him once and he never replied tho).


ZTBoards (Zero Tolerance Boards) was an inside joke, but grew on us when we began to search for a name to use.

There is no origin behind the names of the boards, After and the Noon. We just wanted to pick the dumbest sounding name possible. Seriously though, at the time of creation we felt like there weren't any boards publicly available that checked all the right boxes, so these two boards are a culmination of that. We've been working on these keyboards since before January of 2020; if it seems like this came out of left field, that's because we wanted to have fully working prototypes and everything ready for production before posting an IC. Hopefully those who join this GB will appreciate these boards for what they are.

This GB is being run in collaboration with AEBoards.

Also: THESE ARE TWO DIFFERENT KEYBOARDS BEING RUN AT THE SAME TIME.


Final renders:
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Keyboard specs:
Noon
   
Noon layout:
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After
After layout:
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Other info: Unfortunately, because of the encoder, the After will not officially offer VIA compatibility until official support is added for encoders. Both boards will be programmable through QMK. Regarding PCB thickness, we found that the 1.2mm was too flexible and we think that 1.6mm is a little stiff, but we’re still deciding and will have our decision by the time the group buy starts. There will also be no LED support, RGB or in-switch.

We will be offering half plates with the kits because that's how we intended the board to be used, but we will be opening plate files for public use.

We are still sourcing and looking into other available knobs and the knob may change before the group buy begins.

Regarding the knob on the After, please feel free to use your own knob of choice (it will still come with a knob either way). You want one with a shaft diameter of 6mm and a knob diameter of 19.05mm.

Prototypes:

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PLEASE PLEASE READ: Prototype error visible below, with the right side blocker clearly placed incorrectly. This has since been fixed and will be reflected in the final product!
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Noon PCB
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After PCB
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There were only a few issues with our prototypes, none that affected use. We have made the necessary changes that will be reflected in the final product.

For the Noon, the right side blocker will be placed properly. For the After, the top and bottom bezels will be slightly thinner and the side bezels have been widened to be proportionate to the now thinner bezels. We have increased the overall size of the internal weight as well for the After. Both boards will have bigger USB C daughterboard openings as well.

Our monogram as well as AEBoards' monograms will be engraved in the internal weight as reflected in the final renders.

Typing videos:

Noon typing video:
After typing video:

Important Buying Info:

The group buy will be run via Google Forms. This will be a raffle style group buy! The boards will be offered to CONUS/CA and AUS only.

We will allow entries from Canada, but please note that you will be responsible for shipping costs as usual, along with any customs/import fees that incurs.

Units: 50 spots per board for CONUS / 25 spots per board for AUS
We are offering 25 separate units of each keyboard for AUS alone. We are only able to offer this to AUS alone because of our collaboration with AEBoards.
We will be allowing 1 entry per board!

Each kit includes:
Pricing will be $475 USD per unit for the CONUS units with a separate shipping invoice at the time of delivery. Pricing will be $550 USD per unit for the AUS/NZ units due to import fees and taxes, however, this INCLUDES shipping for AUS/NZ folks.

Timeline?
This will go into group buy July 11 at 10am PST for 1 hour, then will reopen again at 8pm PST for 1 hour. 
In the meantime, please fill out this form if interested: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScXLeCco2o4Hc2rv3yUgc4joupEcjcH214dZip7W1-tzexFNA/viewform

Questions and Concerns:
Q: Can you offer polycarbonate?
A: No, because we don’t like it.

Q: Hotswap PCB?
A: No.

Q: Why should we trust that these boards will be any good?
A: We believe boards are a mostly subjective topic, so if you don't like it that's unfortunate. However, we have tried our best to make sure these boards live up to the price point and are going to be quality boards.

Q: Plate material?
A: Aluminum and other materials TBD.

Q: "Hey man, those flex cuts don't actually work properly, did you even do any research on acoustics or etc?"
A: No.

Q: "Hey man, those gasket mounts don't work/those gasket mounts are gimmicky."
A: That's not a question, but yes.

Q: Can you change the layout? I don’t like upper right blockers.
A: No.

Q: Can you change the layout? I don't like WKL blockers.
A: No.

Q: This design is just a copy of <insert keyboards/layout here>, how can you feel comfortable selling this? You should take it down.
A: No.

Q: Why aren’t you taking feedback? <insert design element here> is a deal breaker for me.
A: We designed the boards with a vision and are sticking to it, feel free not to enter.

Q: Why aren’t you offering to international buyers?
A: Unfortunately, COVID has complicated many things, and this is one of them. We don’t want to deal with lost packages - this makes the customer and us unhappy :(

Q: Will there be a R2?
A: No. But yes. If there's enough interest.

Q: Where can I check for updates?
A: Geekhack.

Q: WYA Discord?
A: No Discord, as we plan on having timely updates posted on Geekhack, even if there is nothing notable to update.

Q: NE Extras avail?
A: Yes, small amounts, method of extras TBD. We will not answer any other questions pertaining to extras from here on out.

Q: How will the keyboards be programmed?
A: Both will be programmable via QMK, with the Noon supporting VIA. The After will receive VIA support when encoder support is added.

Q: Can I-
A: No

Special Thanks:

Thank you to the AEBoards team, the entire aio3 discord, log, ruiqimao, wilba, as well as the countless people who have made resources publicly available for us so that we could make this a reality. 


Updates:
Updated title and made some clarifications because there seems to be some confusion that these are not the same keyboards; they are two different keyboards.
Title: Re: [IC] AfterNoon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards
Post by: Alessio on Wed, 01 July 2020, 05:01:03
nice knob
Title: Re: [IC] AfterNoon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards
Post by: EvilemX8 on Wed, 01 July 2020, 05:16:30
Hi all, Ellicose here, forgot to mention the date and time that the GB will start:

Two entry windows via Google Forms:

July 11 | 10:00am and 8:00pm, each time window will be open for 1 hour.

This new info should also be reflected in the main post.
Title: Re: [IC] AfterNoon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (Group buy in 1 week)
Post by: aeryxz on Wed, 01 July 2020, 05:36:52
Eric from AEBoards here.
We've been helping these guys try to make their design come to life - one of the first of many collabs we have planned. It's looking really good and hoping that everyone will support these up and coming designers.
Title: Re: [IC] AfterNoon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (Group buy in 1 week)
Post by: junwon9710 on Wed, 01 July 2020, 06:00:32
Will look forward for this! Is there estimated lead time? And, which payment method do you guys accept? Will this be held on Aeboards website?
Title: Re: [IC] AfterNoon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (Group buy in 1 week)
Post by: VXQN on Wed, 01 July 2020, 06:02:46
That red is makin' me feel things. Not personally to my taste but I love the philosophy/ethos you have going on and wish you a smooth group buy!
Title: Re: [IC] AfterNoon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (Group buy in 1 week)
Post by: ilikerustoo on Wed, 01 July 2020, 06:31:42
Nice. Digging that red
Title: Re: [IC] AfterNoon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (Group buy in 1 week)
Post by: wackdragon on Wed, 01 July 2020, 07:40:58
Great color, love the layout of the After!
Title: Re: [IC] AfterNoon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (Group buy in 1 week)
Post by: SxM Designs on Wed, 01 July 2020, 07:43:14
no eu :(
Title: Re: [IC] AfterNoon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (Group buy in 1 week)
Post by: quadrotiles on Wed, 01 July 2020, 07:45:46
Conus and Aus ;_; I should never have left Australia (although I could maybe convince a friend to proxy for me?)

These designs are really lovely regardless. Good luck with your group buy :)
Title: Re: [IC] AfterNoon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (Group buy in 1 week)
Post by: roguesystem087 on Wed, 01 July 2020, 07:57:22
:( conus and aus only :( god damn..........
Title: Re: [IC] AfterNoon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (Group buy in 1 week)
Post by: frostfiree on Wed, 01 July 2020, 08:03:03
Oof, so hard to choose between After or Noon.
Title: Re: [IC] AfterNoon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (Group buy in 1 week)
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 01 July 2020, 08:38:16
Both boards look great.  I like all of the info you’re sharing about the process. 
Title: Re: [IC] AfterNoon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (Group buy in 1 week)
Post by: mudcakehoney on Wed, 01 July 2020, 08:46:52
Hard yes from me, After especially gets me tingling
Title: Re: [IC] AfterNoon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (Group buy in 1 week)
Post by: Jyobah on Wed, 01 July 2020, 08:51:39
very nice, both boards look great  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] AfterNoon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (Group buy in 1 week)
Post by: -Reflux- on Wed, 01 July 2020, 09:30:44
Looks great. Definitely in for this.
Title: Re: [IC] AfterNoon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (Group buy in 1 week)
Post by: beekey on Wed, 01 July 2020, 10:09:09
No Europe?  :( Damn.
Title: Re: [IC] AfterNoon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (Group buy in 1 week)
Post by: Zeelobby on Wed, 01 July 2020, 10:30:30
Choosing between the two is harder than I thought it would be. For some reason I like this corner blocker when normally I don't...
Title: Re: [IC] AfterNoon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (Group buy in 1 week)
Post by: Goguma on Wed, 01 July 2020, 11:10:13
this is pretty cool i guess, might have to set up a bot to help me grab both.
Title: Re: [IC] AfterNoon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (Group buy in 1 week)
Post by: KingOfMemes on Wed, 01 July 2020, 11:12:31
.
Title: Re: [IC] AfterNoon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (Group buy in 1 week)
Post by: altc3000 on Wed, 01 July 2020, 11:20:00
This is so cool. Unlucky for me not in both US and AUS  :(
Title: Re: [IC] AfterNoon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (Group buy in 1 week)
Post by: Ashento on Wed, 01 July 2020, 11:20:16
Definitely going to try for the After. It's everything I liked about the Sat75, but with my favorite layout.
Title: Re: [IC] AfterNoon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (Group buy in 1 week)
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 01 July 2020, 11:54:42
typemachina never built any boards though?
Title: Re: [IC] AfterNoon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (Group buy in 1 week)
Post by: PleaseBeMyFriend on Wed, 01 July 2020, 12:19:23
Quote from: junwon9710 on Wed, 01 July 2020, 06:00:32
Will look forward for this! Is there estimated lead time? And, which payment method do you guys accept? Will this be held on Aeboards website?
4 month lead time!

Paypal will be the accept method for US. We are still running logistics with AE, but we will post info regarding that asap.

Sent from my SM-N975U1 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: [IC] AfterNoon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (Group buy in 1 week)
Post by: EvilemX8 on Wed, 01 July 2020, 12:37:49
Quote from: Zeelobby on Wed, 01 July 2020, 10:30:30
Choosing between the two is harder than I thought it would be. For some reason I like this corner blocker when normally I don't...

Forgot to mention, we are allowing 1 entry for each board. That way, if someone likes both, they can go ahead and try for it :) will edit in main body
Title: Re: [IC] AfterNoon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (Group buy in 1 week)
Post by: PleaseBeMyFriend on Wed, 01 July 2020, 12:38:58
Quote from: Puddsy on Wed, 01 July 2020, 11:54:42
typemachina never built any boards though?
Hey puddsy, I've been building TM Janes on behalf of Sheraton. I will be building more for him/TypeMachina in the near future as well. You can message him on slack for clarification as well.

Sent from my SM-N975U1 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: [IC] AfterNoon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (Group buy in 1 week)
Post by: Shiro on Wed, 01 July 2020, 12:45:37
wow, that red one is so beautiful.
Title: Re: [IC] AfterNoon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (Group buy in 1 week)
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 01 July 2020, 12:55:20
Quote from: PleaseBeMyFriend on Wed, 01 July 2020, 12:38:58
Quote from: Puddsy on Wed, 01 July 2020, 11:54:42
typemachina never built any boards though?
Hey puddsy, I've been building TM Janes on behalf of Sheraton. I will be building more for him/TypeMachina in the near future as well. You can message him on slack for clarification as well.

Sent from my SM-N975U1 using Tapatalk

feels like another case of the "this summers" that he's been doing w me for the last year or two
Title: Re: [IC] AfterNoon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (Group buy in 1 week)
Post by: lz2019 on Wed, 01 July 2020, 13:32:36
can you please provide:
1. a top front view photo of a Noon prototype, like the 1st photo of After prototype.
2. a photo of a prototype, or any real material sample, of the Navy blue (the render looks nice, just need some real taste).
3. top case of After seems having a slightly wider frame than that of Noon, my eye can't really tell. appreciate a photo of the two sitting side by side, top front view.
thanks.
Title: Re: [IC] AfterNoon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (Group buy in 1 week)
Post by: EvilemX8 on Wed, 01 July 2020, 13:56:06
Quote from: lz2019 on Wed, 01 July 2020, 13:32:36
can you please provide:
1. a top front view photo of a Noon prototype, like the 1st photo of After prototype.
2. a photo of a prototype, or any real material sample, of the Navy blue (the render looks nice, just need some real taste).
3. top case of After seems having a slightly wider frame than that of Noon, my eye can't really tell. appreciate a photo of the two sitting side by side, top front view.
thanks.


Please refer to photos of navy colored Aegis keyboards from AEBoards for samples of the Navy blue. The renders also use the exact Pantone that we will use from the factory.

The After does have a slightly wider frame, because it is not the same keyboard.
Title: Re: [IC] AfterNoon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (Group buy in 1 week)
Post by: lz2019 on Wed, 01 July 2020, 14:15:26
Quote from: EvilemX8 on Wed, 01 July 2020, 13:56:06
Please refer to photos of navy colored Aegis keyboards from AEBoards for samples of the Navy blue. The renders also use the exact Pantone that we will use from the factory.
The After does have a slightly wider frame, because it is not the same keyboard.

is it possible to know the exact widths of the two frames?
 
Edit: just found the actual dark blue sample of Aegis Left Hand 1800 project, so that's it.
Title: Re: [IC] AfterNoon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (Group buy in 1 week)
Post by: dlavelle94 on Wed, 01 July 2020, 14:39:54
Why no EU?
Title: Re: [IC] AfterNoon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (Group buy in 1 week)
Post by: Dabouek on Wed, 01 July 2020, 14:59:59
rotary encoder is Pog
give me the knob
Title: Re: [IC] AfterNoon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (Group buy in 1 week)
Post by: PleaseBeMyFriend on Wed, 01 July 2020, 15:03:22
Quote from: dlavelle94 on Wed, 01 July 2020, 14:39:54
Why no EU?

Please refer to the Q&A.
Title: Re: [IC] AfterNoon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (Group buy in 1 week)
Post by: dlavelle94 on Wed, 01 July 2020, 15:07:10
Quote from: PleaseBeMyFriend on Wed, 01 July 2020, 15:03:22
Quote from: dlavelle94 on Wed, 01 July 2020, 14:39:54
Why no EU?

Please refer to the Q&A.
God damn it. I’m dumb. Well it’s a beautiful board so GLWS


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Title: Re: [IC] AfterNoon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (Group buy in 1 week)
Post by: Tree_ on Wed, 01 July 2020, 16:34:47
Gonna be that guy, understand that designs are final but: After would be perfection if it had a badge or even blank space instead of a knob.
Title: Re: [IC] AfterNoon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (Group buy in 1 week)
Post by: EvilemX8 on Wed, 01 July 2020, 17:47:44
Quick update, forgot to clarify that CONUS also means Canada. Main post will reflect that as well.
Title: Re: [IC] AfterNoon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (Group buy in 1 week)
Post by: sozo on Wed, 01 July 2020, 18:47:16
Quote from: Tree_ on Wed, 01 July 2020, 16:34:47
Gonna be that guy, understand that designs are final but: After would be perfection if it had a badge or even blank space instead of a knob.

Chimera65
https://cannonkeys.com/products/gb-chimera65-keyboard-standard-edition
Title: Re: [IC] AfterNoon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (Group buy in 1 week)
Post by: sozo on Wed, 01 July 2020, 18:47:57
This is pretty cool, can we pick two different colors for top and bottom? I want rose gold and white.
Title: Re: [IC] AfterNoon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (Group buy in 1 week)
Post by: PleaseBeMyFriend on Wed, 01 July 2020, 18:52:26
Quote from: sozo on Wed, 01 July 2020, 18:47:57
This is pretty cool, can we pick two different colors for top and bottom? I want rose gold and white.

Unfortunately not. As a two man team, we are trying to reduce anything that might make things more difficult for us, so we are only allowing one color choice for the top and bottom.
Title: Re: [IC] AfterNoon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (Group buy in 1 week)
Post by: Tree_ on Wed, 01 July 2020, 19:03:03
Quote from: sozo on Wed, 01 July 2020, 18:47:16
Quote from: Tree_ on Wed, 01 July 2020, 16:34:47
Gonna be that guy, understand that designs are final but: After would be perfection if it had a badge or even blank space instead of a knob.

Chimera65
https://cannonkeys.com/products/gb-chimera65-keyboard-standard-edition

Somehow didn't know this was a thing, looks phenomenal.

Don't mean to hijack the thread though - Good luck with AfterNoon guys!
Title: Re: [IC] AfterNoon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (Group buy in 1 week)
Post by: sozo on Wed, 01 July 2020, 19:05:06
Quote from: PleaseBeMyFriend on Wed, 01 July 2020, 18:52:26
Quote from: sozo on Wed, 01 July 2020, 18:47:57
This is pretty cool, can we pick two different colors for top and bottom? I want rose gold and white.

Unfortunately not. As a two man team, we are trying to reduce anything that might make things more difficult for us, so we are only allowing one color choice for the top and bottom.

ok I'll opt in for a rose gold one then. there is no rose gold. my apologies
Title: Re: [IC] After | Noon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (GB in 1 week)
Post by: titanium on Wed, 01 July 2020, 19:55:22
Will there be an option to purchase extra PCB/plate?

If not, will there be a separate PCB/plate buy afterwards?
Title: Re: [IC] After | Noon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (GB in 1 week)
Post by: EvilemX8 on Wed, 01 July 2020, 20:06:41
Quote from: titanium on Wed, 01 July 2020, 19:55:22
Will there be an option to purchase extra PCB/plate?

If not, will there be a separate PCB/plate buy afterwards?

Yes, we'll have extra parts available for purchase which will be listed on the GB - still need to finalize plate material, but can expect the typical line up (POM, Brass, FR4, etc.)
Title: Re: [IC] After | Noon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (GB in 1 week)
Post by: RossLocke18 on Wed, 01 July 2020, 23:29:18
Well too bad I moved out of Houston, stuck in Canada and can't get in on this, totally blows cause I'd get both for sure!
Title: Re: [IC] After | Noon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (GB in 1 week)
Post by: sozo on Wed, 01 July 2020, 23:49:51
Quote from: RossLocke18 on Wed, 01 July 2020, 23:29:18
Well too bad I moved out of Houston, stuck in Canada and can't get in on this, totally blows cause I'd get both for sure!

I believe that they are shipping to Canada, shipping will be invoiced separately!
Title: Re: [IC] After | Noon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (GB in 1 week)
Post by: fabijolo on Wed, 01 July 2020, 23:57:52
These boards look pretty good, I like it, especially the e-white noon looks very promising to me, and depending on the offered plate material, I might just even join it (carbon fiber would be my choice of preference, but I guess it would make much sense to run it in terms of popularity/sales) :)
Title: Re: [IC] After | Noon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (GB in 1 week)
Post by: EvilemX8 on Thu, 02 July 2020, 00:30:29
Quote from: RossLocke18 on Wed, 01 July 2020, 23:29:18
Well too bad I moved out of Houston, stuck in Canada and can't get in on this, totally blows cause I'd get both for sure!


We're actually allowing Canadian buyers to enter! Post has been edited to reflect this change.
Title: Re: [IC] After | Noon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (GB in 1 week)
Post by: Vaudevi77ain on Thu, 02 July 2020, 00:53:42
This looks great. A 65% with a rotary encoder is one of my board goals, but I only wish this had WK, hotswap, and RGB too. Hope this GB does well for future iterations
Title: Re: [IC] After | Noon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (GB in 1 week)
Post by: PleaseBeMyFriend on Thu, 02 July 2020, 02:49:26
Quote from: RossLocke18 on Wed, 01 July 2020, 23:29:18
Well too bad I moved out of Houston, stuck in Canada and can't get in on this, totally blows cause I'd get both for sure!

We are accepting Canadian entries and the main post has been updated to reflect that, thank you!
Title: Re: [IC] After | Noon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (GB in 1 week)
Post by: jubei on Thu, 02 July 2020, 10:44:34
Quote from: Vaudevi77ain on Thu, 02 July 2020, 00:53:42
This looks great. A 65% with a rotary encoder is one of my board goals, but I only wish this had WK, hotswap, and RGB too. Hope this GB does well for future iterations

+1
Title: Re: [IC] After | Noon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (GB in 1 week)
Post by: EvilemX8 on Thu, 02 July 2020, 14:27:35
Thanks all for tuning into the stream last night, we have some typing videos to show off some aspects of the board that we think are unique.

Here is the Noon typing test (Lubed Creams, half plate, 1.2mm flex cuts):


Here is the After typing test (Lubed H1 60g, half plate, 1.6mm flex cuts):

feature=youtu.be

While both flex the same amount, the After typing test video especially demonstrates it - pay attention to the alpha keys as phlop types with only regular typing pressure.
Title: Re: [IC] After | Noon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (GB in 1 week)
Post by: Xemnova on Thu, 02 July 2020, 20:04:25
Lovely boards, wish I could join in this. living in Alaska and seeing 'conus' is very depressing. I hope the GB goes well!
Title: Re: [IC] After | Noon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (GB in 1 week)
Post by: adamjohari on Thu, 02 July 2020, 20:31:36
Praying that this doesn't get promoted on Taeha or BT so that people that actually want one can get one.  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] After | Noon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (GB in 1 week)
Post by: dstaar on Thu, 02 July 2020, 22:55:31
there is a gap between Space and the purple Alt, that is larger than other gaps, in the e-white Noon prototype,
looks like it should be 1.5u but you used a 1.25u keycap, right? 
Title: Re: [IC] After | Noon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (GB in 1 week)
Post by: junwon9710 on Fri, 03 July 2020, 00:17:40
Does this have any designs on the back? Also, do you guys allow users from outside of US to use proxy?
Title: Re: [IC] After | Noon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (GB in 1 week)
Post by: PleaseBeMyFriend on Fri, 03 July 2020, 00:42:40
Quote from: junwon9710 on Fri, 03 July 2020, 00:17:40
Does this have any designs on the back? Also, do you guys allow users from outside of US to use proxy?

No designs on the back, it's completely sterile.

And yes, you may use a proxy if you're located outside the US.
Title: Re: [IC] After | Noon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (GB in 1 week)
Post by: EvilemX8 on Fri, 03 July 2020, 00:44:58
Quote from: dstaar on Thu, 02 July 2020, 22:55:31
there is a gap between Space and the purple Alt, that is larger than other gaps, in the e-white Noon prototype,
looks like it should be 1.5u but you used a 1.25u keycap, right?

From the main post, right under the prototype picture:

"Prototype error visible here, with the right side blocker clearly placed incorrectly. This has since been fixed and will be reflected in the final product!"
Title: Re: [IC] After | Noon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (GB in 1 week)
Post by: junwon9710 on Fri, 03 July 2020, 00:50:26
Quote from: PleaseBeMyFriend on Fri, 03 July 2020, 00:42:40
Quote from: junwon9710 on Fri, 03 July 2020, 00:17:40
Does this have any designs on the back? Also, do you guys allow users from outside of US to use proxy?

No designs on the back, it's completely sterile.

And yes, you may use a proxy if you're located outside the US.
Can we use same proxy? My friend and I basically live in Korea using same proxy. Of course we will submit both of our raffles in each others house.
but I was wondering if we can use same address for proxy. Do we need to tell you guys about that beforehand?
Title: Re: [IC] After | Noon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (GB in 1 week)
Post by: EvilemX8 on Fri, 03 July 2020, 00:55:55
Quote from: junwon9710 on Fri, 03 July 2020, 00:50:26
Quote from: PleaseBeMyFriend on Fri, 03 July 2020, 00:42:40
Quote from: junwon9710 on Fri, 03 July 2020, 00:17:40
Does this have any designs on the back? Also, do you guys allow users from outside of US to use proxy?

No designs on the back, it's completely sterile.

And yes, you may use a proxy if you're located outside the US.
Can we use same proxy? My friend and I basically live in Korea using same proxy. Of course we will submit both of our raffles in each others house.
but I was wondering if we can use same address for proxy. Do we need to tell you guys about that beforehand?

Hey there, yeah, feel free to use the same proxy. We do have ways of telling a difference between what is legitimate or not :) Thanks for asking.
Title: Re: [IC] After | Noon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (GB in 1 week)
Post by: junwon9710 on Fri, 03 July 2020, 00:57:41
Quote from: EvilemX8 on Fri, 03 July 2020, 00:55:55
Quote from: junwon9710 on Fri, 03 July 2020, 00:50:26
Quote from: PleaseBeMyFriend on Fri, 03 July 2020, 00:42:40
Quote from: junwon9710 on Fri, 03 July 2020, 00:17:40
Does this have any designs on the back? Also, do you guys allow users from outside of US to use proxy?

No designs on the back, it's completely sterile.

And yes, you may use a proxy if you're located outside the US.
Can we use same proxy? My friend and I basically live in Korea using same proxy. Of course we will submit both of our raffles in each others house.
but I was wondering if we can use same address for proxy. Do we need to tell you guys about that beforehand?

Hey there, yeah, feel free to use the same proxy. We do have ways of telling a difference between what is legitimate or not :) Thanks for asking.
Thank you!
Title: Re: [IC] After | Noon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (GB in 1 week)
Post by: dstaar on Fri, 03 July 2020, 01:26:11
Quote from: EvilemX8 on Fri, 03 July 2020, 00:44:58
Quote from: dstaar on Thu, 02 July 2020, 22:55:31
there is a gap between Space and the purple Alt, that is larger than other gaps, in the e-white Noon prototype,
looks like it should be 1.5u but you used a 1.25u keycap, right?

From the main post, right under the prototype picture:
"Prototype error visible here, with the right side blocker clearly placed incorrectly. This has since been fixed and will be reflected in the final product!"

ah, I was idiot!  the pictures are too attractive, I missed the words  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] After | Noon - Two 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (GB in 1 week)
Post by: hottrout on Fri, 03 July 2020, 04:24:38
No ISO?
Title: Re: [IC] After | Noon - Two 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (GB in 1 week)
Post by: ray160 on Fri, 03 July 2020, 04:25:31
Yooo where is the white wave pattern desk mat from?
The keyboard design is cool too. I like the spaced arrows in Noon a lot
Title: Re: [IC] After | Noon - Two 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (GB in 1 week)
Post by: Diggidy on Fri, 03 July 2020, 07:33:10
Very interested in the After.

You say plate will be half-plate Aluminum + others TBD - just curious what other materials you're most strongly considering?

Also, in this picture, is this weight something difference than brass? Are you experimenting with different weights?

(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=107216.0;attach=246167;image)
Title: Re: [IC] After | Noon - Tandem 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (GB in 1 week)
Post by: baksbaks on Fri, 03 July 2020, 08:49:16
Quote from: Xemnova on Thu, 02 July 2020, 20:04:25
Lovely boards, wish I could join in this. living in Alaska and seeing 'conus' is very depressing. I hope the GB goes well!

Here in Hawaii and feel the same way. Don't quite understand why US = CONUS, especially with similar shipping rates via USPS as a carrier. Was interested but time to get cucked again~ Good luck to all those that can enter!
Title: Re: [IC] After | Noon - Two 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (GB in 1 week)
Post by: PleaseBeMyFriend on Fri, 03 July 2020, 13:49:31
Quote from: Diggidy on Fri, 03 July 2020, 07:33:10
Very interested in the After.

You say plate will be half-plate Aluminum + others TBD - just curious what other materials you're most strongly considering?

Also, in this picture, is this weight something difference than brass? Are you experimenting with different weights?

Show Image
(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=107216.0;attach=246167;image)

The weight is brass, I'm not great at photos!

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Title: Re: [IC] After | Noon - Two 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (GB in 1 week)
Post by: PleaseBeMyFriend on Fri, 03 July 2020, 13:50:33
Quote from: baksbaks on Fri, 03 July 2020, 08:49:16
Quote from: Xemnova on Thu, 02 July 2020, 20:04:25
Lovely boards, wish I could join in this. living in Alaska and seeing 'conus' is very depressing. I hope the GB goes well!

Here in Hawaii and feel the same way. Don't quite understand why US = CONUS, especially with similar shipping rates via USPS as a carrier. Was interested but time to get cucked again~ Good luck to all those that can enter!
We discussed it and we'll be allowing US as a whole, including Alaska and Hawaii.

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Title: Re: [IC] After | Noon - Two 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (GB in 1 week)
Post by: PleaseBeMyFriend on Fri, 03 July 2020, 13:51:14
Quote from: Xemnova on Thu, 02 July 2020, 20:04:25
Lovely boards, wish I could join in this. living in Alaska and seeing 'conus' is very depressing. I hope the GB goes well!
We'll be allowing the US as a whole, please see my response below! Thank you :)

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Title: Re: [IC] After | Noon - Two 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (GB in 1 week)
Post by: arylated on Fri, 03 July 2020, 23:31:56
Do you guys know when this would ship? Thanks
Title: Re: [IC] After | Noon - Two 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (GB in 1 week)
Post by: sirpensir on Sat, 04 July 2020, 01:56:48
super hyped for this!
Title: Re: [IC] After | Noon - Two 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (GB in 1 week)
Post by: crd on Sat, 04 July 2020, 10:04:21
These are both gorgeous. Nice work on the design and prototypes. Noon has stolen my heart with its classy minimal facade. Looking forward to all of this.
Title: Re: [IC] After | Noon - Two 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (GB in 1 week)
Post by: Sabin on Sat, 04 July 2020, 11:46:00
Lovely designs but I think I must be the only person who doesn't like WKL
Title: Re: [IC] After | Noon - Two 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (GB in 1 week)
Post by: jubei on Sat, 04 July 2020, 14:21:05
For the rotary/dial, can you please give an idea of what its currently mapped to in terms of function? I've only seen the Satisfaction with its LED to compare against. Thanks
Title: Re: [IC] After | Noon - Two 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (GB in 1 week)
Post by: EvilemX8 on Sat, 04 July 2020, 16:22:57
Quote from: jubei on Sat, 04 July 2020, 14:21:05
For the rotary/dial, can you please give an idea of what its currently mapped to in terms of function? I've only seen the Satisfaction with its LED to compare against. Thanks

You can map the rotary to anything you want. It is fully customizable. People use it often as a volume knob or brightness changer.
Title: Re: [IC] After | Noon - Two 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (GB in 1 week)
Post by: EvilemX8 on Sat, 04 July 2020, 16:23:30
Quote from: arylated on Fri, 03 July 2020, 23:31:56
Do you guys know when this would ship? Thanks

Timelines are extremely rough because of unstable world conditions. We estimate a 4 month minimum.
Title: No eu :(
Post by: mikeduran on Sun, 05 July 2020, 10:04:21
I really like this, too bad we can't have it from europe :(
Title: Re: [IC] After | Noon - Two 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (GB in 1 week)
Post by: japanesehorrorwriter on Sun, 05 July 2020, 17:15:06
+1 of each. Amazing layout. Do a test with clickies next time...
Title: Re: [IC] After | Noon - Two 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (GB in 1 week)
Post by: ArttVandelay on Sun, 05 July 2020, 18:48:25
Great board. I want one :)
Title: Re: [IC] After | Noon - Two 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (GB in 1 week)
Post by: musicgecko on Sun, 05 July 2020, 19:11:46
can't unsee nintendo switch logo but rotated
Title: Re: [IC] After | Noon - Two 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (GB in 1 week)
Post by: KBDfiend on Mon, 06 July 2020, 02:21:17
both are great, but i'd choose the after over the noon. prefer the blocked off arrow keys.
Title: Re: [IC] After | Noon - Two 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (GB in 1 week)
Post by: noorejji on Mon, 06 July 2020, 04:03:56
Interesting Q&A section, gives off that budget Zambumon vibe.
Title: Re: [IC] After | Noon - Two 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (GB in 1 week)
Post by: EvilemX8 on Mon, 06 July 2020, 21:21:33
In light of confusion despite all the info being in the main body of the post, I would like to clarify a few things:

- The bezels will be smaller, as we have said in the main body of the original post. Please, refer to the renders for the most up to date bezel sizes. The prototypes used M3 screws, but final production units have M2.5 screws instead.
- I can't believe I have to say this a million times, but the Noon prototype has an error in it and has since been fixed for final production, the gap between arrow keys and right blocker is NOT intended.
- These are TWO different keyboards.

To all who have read the IC, negative and positive feedback alike, thank you - love to hear it.
Title: Re: [IC] After | Noon - Two 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (GB in 1 week)
Post by: Roastteed on Thu, 09 July 2020, 11:55:08
****ing sick ass keyboard, Its really cool! i love the knob on the afters very much what i was looking for. The only problem is i am poor, and my parents wouldn't never let me spend 500 on a keyboard.
Title: Re: [IC] After | Noon - Two 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (GB post pending)
Post by: EvilemX8 on Thu, 09 July 2020, 15:49:41
GB post has been approved! Please find it here with most up to date info:

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=107414.0
Title: Re: [IC] After | Noon - Two 65% Boards | ZTBoards x AEBoards (GB post pending)
Post by: erbedama on Tue, 18 May 2021, 01:43:07
Zt. and ae. did you guys happen to play team fortress classic back in the day? Zt and ae were two really good clans back then.