So sad about the lack of ergo support.
Are the white 6.25u and 7u spacebars in the spacebar kits really necessary if they are included by default in the alpha kits?
Seems like their only purpose would be to serve as accents for Carbonski, but I don't think that would look very appealing since white doesn't show up anywhere else in that setup.
I think the spacekeys kit would be better if it had white keys in addition to the gray ones. Also, it's missing a 1.25u spacekey, which is needed for Alice boards and standard split spacebars on ≥60% boards.
1.75u spacekeys, on the other hand, should be placed in the 40s kit rather than the spacekeys kit, since they are only useful on a couple of 40% boards. No ≥60% board exists that uses 1.75u spacekeys.
As always, R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn would be a welcome addition — and well warranted, imo, since there are so many Drop ALT and other 65%/75% users out there that use these keys. (Esp. since this set will be running on Drop.)
Looks good otherwise :)
So what was with the decision to change the entire bottom row? It almost makes every other kit before this unusable..??!!I second this, if there is not much issue from R4 bottom row I'd rather recommend to have it match with the 2nd round
So what was with the decision to change the entire bottom row? It almost makes every other kit before this unusable..??!!
No ergo kit?
So sad about the lack of ergo support.
rolling bone plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
+1 for rolling bones which I think would have more demand than warning signs
ok possibly just me, but there's SA relegendable keycaps (https://pimpmykeyboard.com/sa-1-space-relegendables-pack-of-10/)
and nothing says skidata like relegendables
Awesome! I was just about to make a search to buy these second hand. Any plans on bringing back the Half-Life Lambda Kit?
Iso is missing the R4 |\ key.
Wish there was a way to get 2x 2u space keys without having to buy 2x 40s kits or 2x Spacekeys kits.
Sad to see no umka mods. Any chance of having those in the Bone/Boneyard gb?When Bone/Boneyard SP SA happens, i will look into it. From first sight that might be doable.
Thanks! :thumb:Sad to see no umka mods. Any chance of having those in the Bone/Boneyard gb?When Bone/Boneyard SP SA happens, i will look into it. From first sight that might be doable.
Sad to see no umka mods. Any chance of having those in the Bone/Boneyard gb?When Bone/Boneyard SP SA happens, i will look into it. From first sight that might be doable.
So exciting! Anyone know if SA Oblivion monochrome mods will work with Carbon bone? I wasn’t able to get the bone extra mods kit but Instead I’ve managed to get three kits of rolling bones from all the keycap recap throughout the years. :)) Still, it’s nice to know T0mb3ry is considering an SA Boneyard drop in the future so maybe in the end I’ll get to expand my bone TKL mods for other layouts someday. For now my only option is SA Oblivion, and I’ve heard the grey is the same as Carbon but not the white, not sure if it is noticeable if I take a few caps here and there and mix it with my TKL bone mods to be able to use it in say a tsangan layout.
I’ve seen the GMK equivalent and I think your ideas got legs. The bone vs white is noticeable if you look for it but the gestalt works.
I'd love an ErgoDox kit. I am still trying to collect a full set from SA Carbon R2 and I have a feeling it may be hard to find the ErgoDox kits so having it in the R3 would be great for me. I may end up making a mishmash of R2 and R3 for the kits that are the same.I second support for ErgoDox
P.S. Love the fact that this time you are going for 343211 as opposed to 443211.
P.P.S. SP SA forever!
P.P.P.S. SA Carbon forever! (I've tried to design the perfect keycap set for me and I just can't come up with anything I like more than SA Carbon)
how about Carbonski dual alphas?
No ergo kit?So sad about the lack of ergo support.
Unfortunately the Ergo kits don't do well lately so i decided to skip it.
I'd love an ErgoDox kit. I am still trying to collect a full set from SA Carbon R2 and I have a feeling it may be hard to find the ErgoDox kits so having it in the R3 would be great for me. I may end up making a mishmash of R2 and R3 for the kits that are the same.I second support for ErgoDox
P.S. Love the fact that this time you are going for 343211 as opposed to 443211.
P.P.S. SP SA forever!
P.P.P.S. SA Carbon forever! (I've tried to design the perfect keycap set for me and I just can't come up with anything I like more than SA Carbon)
I'd love an ErgoDox kit. I am still trying to collect a full set from SA Carbon R2 and I have a feeling it may be hard to find the ErgoDox kits so having it in the R3 would be great for me. I may end up making a mishmash of R2 and R3 for the kits that are the same.I second support for ErgoDox
P.S. Love the fact that this time you are going for 343211 as opposed to 443211.
P.P.S. SP SA forever!
P.P.P.S. SA Carbon forever! (I've tried to design the perfect keycap set for me and I just can't come up with anything I like more than SA Carbon)
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Hi T0mb3ry, is there a back story for the set? I've checked the GMK and R2 posts on GH and can't seem to see any. It's been such an iconic set, just quite curious about your inspiration / origin of the design ;DThere is no real back story for Carbon theme. I used the color scheme back in the days in Need for Speed games from the point where NFS introduced matte paints. So the color scheme was first there. The inspiration for theme "Carbon" (chemical element) came from sets like Granite or Graphite which is in my opinion have an elegant theme instead of lifting a theme from existing franchise (movies, games or whatever). The set has nothing to do with Half Life game but I introduced the Lambda because there was a request by some users in the very first interest check for Half Life lambda.
There is no real back story for Carbon theme. I used the color scheme back in the days in Need for Speed games from the point where NFS introduced matte paints. So the color scheme was first there. The inspiration for theme "Carbon" (chemical element) came from sets like Granite or Graphite which is in my opinion have an elegant theme instead of lifting a theme from existing franchise (movies, games or whatever). The set has nothing to do with Half Life game but I introduced the Lambda because there was a request by some users in the very first interest check for Half Life lambda.
Hi T0mb3ry, is there a back story for the set? I've checked the GMK and R2 posts on GH and can't seem to see any. It's been such an iconic set, just quite curious about your inspiration / origin of the design ;D
How do you know? Maybe it's parents died and now this set has sworn to protect other innocent sets from aftermarket price gougers?!Hi T0mb3ry, is there a back story for the set? I've checked the GMK and R2 posts on GH and can't seem to see any. It's been such an iconic set, just quite curious about your inspiration / origin of the design ;D
You don't need an origin story. It's not a superhero. It's keycaps.
Hi T0mb3ry, is there a back story for the set? I've checked the GMK and R2 posts on GH and can't seem to see any. It's been such an iconic set, just quite curious about your inspiration / origin of the design ;D
You don't need an origin story. It's not a superhero. It's keycaps.
I know it may be a moot point and there are already too many alpha kits, but without orange alphas Carbon is not complete for me. Please reconsider, atleast SP doesnt require high moq unlike GMK. I am pretty sure if offered it will meet the moq.
Hi T0mb3ry, is there a back story for the set? I've checked the GMK and R2 posts on GH and can't seem to see any. It's been such an iconic set, just quite curious about your inspiration / origin of the design ;DThere is no real back story for Carbon theme. I used the color scheme back in the days in Need for Speed games from the point where NFS introduced matte paints. So the color scheme was first there. The inspiration for theme "Carbon" (chemical element) came from sets like Granite or Graphite which is in my opinion have an elegant theme instead of lifting a theme from existing franchise (movies, games or whatever). The set has nothing to do with Half Life game but I introduced the Lambda because there was a request by some users in the very first interest check for Half Life lambda.
I always thought this LLOYD'S calculator was the inspiration for this keycap, but it's interesting to note that it was NFS :eek:
when can we put our reservations down?Probably November 2020
when can we put our reservations down?Probably November 2020
Could you consider adding a NorDe kit similar to the one offered in SA Skywriter?Show Image(https://d33wubrfki0l68.cloudfront.net/d9fdaede041a1d9485ba7846478fda9554903b42/212ec/images/kits/norde.png)
I understand you are apprehensive because of the history of NorDe and ISO kits not hitting MOQ. I ask because SA Skywriter had a smaller following than SA Carbon, yet this kit hit MOQ naturally. This kit drops the tertiary legends many international layouts have for a smaller, cheaper kit. I think this strikes a good balance between providing international support and making a kit that can reasonably be expected to hit MOQ.
I also happen to think losing tertiary legends is more aesthetically pleasing on SA keycaps. They are too cluttered otherwise. :)
Credit to cijanzen for the kit. I claim no ownership, but I love your work!
Some comments on the ergo kit.
First let me say that i understand that this is an SA profile which will not lend itself to the flexibility of a KAT kit, but a fair amount of research has been done recently into what the key layout of an ergo KAT kit should be.
Now my notes on this ergo kit.
1. it may need some extra R3 1.5u keys. As it is, if you are a user of a boardwalk, sol, zen, mun (or a few other boards i can't think of right now), you will have to use all 4 of the R3 1.5u mods as the bottom row of those boards has 1.5u corners.
2. doesn't the alphas kit come with a 1.5u pipe/backslash key? that shouldn't have to be in this kit.
3. an r1 1.5u tilde key would be a nice addition for those of us who DON'T put escape on the top row. (I believe it is becoming more common to move it from there)
4. an r3 1.5u enter key would also be very welcome as a number of people replace the quote key with enter. and some people (like me, put enter on the bottom row)
5. an r3 1.5u function/layer key is VERY common in place of caps lock. (personally i use escape on r3 but i overload it with a layer so function works for me)
You should at least take a look at the KAT ergo guide (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=105714.0) put together by NoPunIn10Did. He did a lot of research on ergo layouts for that guide.
Another note is that on a number of ergo boards (that are NOT the ergodox) the center columns can be 4 1u keys instead of a 1u and 2x 1.5u vertical keys. I'd love to see that considered here, but i get it if that's just too many keys, I almost never have those columns in the right profile anyway and they vary a LOT with personal preference.
As for what would make this an ideal ergo set for ME (i use an RGBKB sol and RGBKB sol2):
* add r1 1.5u tilde key (my upper left 1.5u)
* remove r2 1.5u backslash/pipe key
* add r3 1.5u escape key (function or layer would do in a pinch)
* add r3 1.5u enter key (my bottom right corner is enter.)
* add an extra r3 1u alt key (i have 2 in my bottom row)
* add an r3 1u delete key (i have one on my bottom row)
* add an r3 blank or 2 for really bizarre layouts (my bottom row has an extra .> key which i don't expect ANY keyset to match)
and in my DREAM set, there would be an R1 1u print screen, R2 1u F5 key, R2 1u pause/break key, R3 Insert key, and R4 delete key, in addition to the notes from above.
I'm not sure about usage of the upper keys on the thumb cluster of an ergodox as i haven't used one, but is it common for the thumb clusters to BOTH have ctrl and alt? Also, does the top row of those clusters need to be R2? If it was R3 there would be a lot more flexibility in the kit.
If you've read this far I'd also like to say that since before i got my first keyset, SA Carbon has been one of the sets that interested me the most, and i've always particularly liked how it looks on ergo boards.
Thanks for reading my ramblings.
Some comments on the ergo kit.
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I will replace the R2 1.5u |\ key with {[ .
For all other points i can not support that. If everyone starts to come with their special layout then its a never ending story. I can only support the default layout (from Infinity Ergodox) with little bit variations which are already included. As alternative you can always use keys from Novelties or Rolling Bones as any key.
Some comments on the ergo kit.
First let me say that i understand that this is an SA profile which will not lend itself to the flexibility of a KAT kit, but a fair amount of research has been done recently into what the key layout of an ergo KAT kit should be.
Now my notes on this ergo kit.
1. it may need some extra R3 1.5u keys. As it is, if you are a user of a boardwalk, sol, zen, mun (or a few other boards i can't think of right now), you will have to use all 4 of the R3 1.5u mods as the bottom row of those boards has 1.5u corners.
2. doesn't the alphas kit come with a 1.5u pipe/backslash key? that shouldn't have to be in this kit.
3. an r1 1.5u tilde key would be a nice addition for those of us who DON'T put escape on the top row. (I believe it is becoming more common to move it from there)
4. an r3 1.5u enter key would also be very welcome as a number of people replace the quote key with enter. and some people (like me, put enter on the bottom row)
5. an r3 1.5u function/layer key is VERY common in place of caps lock. (personally i use escape on r3 but i overload it with a layer so function works for me)
You should at least take a look at the KAT ergo guide (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=105714.0) put together by NoPunIn10Did. He did a lot of research on ergo layouts for that guide.
Another note is that on a number of ergo boards (that are NOT the ergodox) the center columns can be 4 1u keys instead of a 1u and 2x 1.5u vertical keys. I'd love to see that considered here, but i get it if that's just too many keys, I almost never have those columns in the right profile anyway and they vary a LOT with personal preference.
As for what would make this an ideal ergo set for ME (i use an RGBKB sol and RGBKB sol2):
* add r1 1.5u tilde key (my upper left 1.5u)
* remove r2 1.5u backslash/pipe key
* add r3 1.5u escape key (function or layer would do in a pinch)
* add r3 1.5u enter key (my bottom right corner is enter.)
* add an extra r3 1u alt key (i have 2 in my bottom row)
* add an r3 1u delete key (i have one on my bottom row)
* add an r3 blank or 2 for really bizarre layouts (my bottom row has an extra .> key which i don't expect ANY keyset to match)
and in my DREAM set, there would be an R1 1u print screen, R2 1u F5 key, R2 1u pause/break key, R3 Insert key, and R4 delete key, in addition to the notes from above.
I'm not sure about usage of the upper keys on the thumb cluster of an ergodox as i haven't used one, but is it common for the thumb clusters to BOTH have ctrl and alt? Also, does the top row of those clusters need to be R2? If it was R3 there would be a lot more flexibility in the kit.
If you've read this far I'd also like to say that since before i got my first keyset, SA Carbon has been one of the sets that interested me the most, and i've always particularly liked how it looks on ergo boards.
Thanks for reading my ramblings.
I will replace the R2 1.5u |\ key with {[ .
For all other points i can not support that. If everyone starts to come with their special layout then its a never ending story. I can only support the default layout (from Infinity Ergodox) with little bit variations which are already included. As alternative you can always use keys from Novelties or Rolling Bones as any key.
If designers continue to ignore this quickly growing subset of the community, they will be (and have been) forced to make their own versions to fill the void. Nobody owns colors.
UpdateCan you add an extra R2 TAB in the modifier kit? The modifier kit can support TKL and HHKB layout which could be a plus for users who use both layout or for those looking to split it to their friends.
- Added new kits
Bones Modifiers kitShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/4ntaQCL.png)
Bones Numpad kitShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/sq7mTz7.png)
Rolling BonesShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/hvGLwUn.png)
Ergodox kitShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/GaGvXvL.png)when can we put our reservations down?Probably November 2020
Exactly. Most probably it will drop in November 2020.
Maybe in some sort of extra kit. Otherwise people will be forced to buy two tab keys and that will rise many questions during GB.UpdateCan you add an extra R2 TAB in the modifier kit? The modifier kit can support TKL and HHKB layout which could be a plus for users who use both layout or for those looking to split it to their friends.
- Added new kits
Bones Modifiers kitShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/4ntaQCL.png)
Bones Numpad kitShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/sq7mTz7.png)
Rolling BonesShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/hvGLwUn.png)
Ergodox kitShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/GaGvXvL.png)when can we put our reservations down?Probably November 2020
Exactly. Most probably it will drop in November 2020.
UpdateThis makes a lot of layouts a lot easier!
Ergodox kit
has been changed to assembly style which is more versatile and cost effective.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/x6Eht4W.png)
Yeah I thought about it already and will look into it.UpdateThis makes a lot of layouts a lot easier!
Ergodox kit
has been changed to assembly style which is more versatile and cost effective.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/x6Eht4W.png)
Can you please add 2x 1.5u R3 for the bottom row outermost columns? Oblotzkys oblivion set had the same issue.
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Maybe in some sort of extra kit. Otherwise people will be forced to buy two tab keys and that will rise many questions during GB.
Update
Ergodox kit
has been changed to assembly style which is more versatile and cost effective.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/x6Eht4W.png)
Update
Ergodox kit
- Replaced legends on R2 1.5u from |\ to {[Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/vKnrXST.png)
ISO UK
- Added Bones compatibility keysShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/1vd6LBJ.png)
Xtra kit
- IntroductionShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/jLOW4MD.png)
Update
GB will probably happen in October
Basically next month.
Bones Modifiers kit
- Added three bones alpha accents. Since Bones modifiers has less keys than other two modifier kits, this will make its pricing more even.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/cRnq1P3.png)
Ergodox kit
- Added two 1.5u R3 LOOP keys.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/pLUq5f2.png)
Xtra kit
- IntroductionShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/jLOW4MD.png)
Wooo! Go T0mb3ry!Great! Look forward to it badly!!!
Looking forward to finally using these timeless classics.
Update
- Added new kits
Bones Modifiers kitShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/4ntaQCL.png)
Bones Numpad kitShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/sq7mTz7.png)
Rolling BonesShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/hvGLwUn.png)
Ergodox kitShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/GaGvXvL.png)when can we put our reservations down?Probably November 2020
Exactly. Most probably it will drop in November 2020.
Would you ever consider making these in a low profile cap format?
Would you ever consider making these in a low profile cap format?
I am only interested in Cherry profile made by GMK. Someday there will be another round for GMK Carbon. I don't have interest for other profiles.
T0mb3ry has explained why he's not doing a full set.I really like to put the kits together. This will create visual effects - the inspiration at work for me.
Personally, the sets he is making fill much more than my needs.
What is specifically missing that you need, or do you just want to have more keys in your key museum?
T0mb3ry has explained why he's not doing a full set.I really like to put the kits together. This will create visual effects - the inspiration at work for me.
Personally, the sets he is making fill much more than my needs.
What is specifically missing that you need, or do you just want to have more keys in your key museum?
Yes, my english is not good, can not to explain clearly what i mean. But SA Carbon always is my favourite keyset. I like to collect all kits possibly, then mix them, waiting to look at them when going to office. :)T0mb3ry has explained why he's not doing a full set.I really like to put the kits together. This will create visual effects - the inspiration at work for me.
Personally, the sets he is making fill much more than my needs.
What is specifically missing that you need, or do you just want to have more keys in your key museum?
I can't claim to understand genius or inspiration but that makes little sense here in business terms. Not that I want to belittle you, perhaps you are looking for inspiration in the wrong area.
Or, perhaps, you might want to explain in other words? I can see that english isn't your native tongue...
I really really love SA SP Carbon from you - Mr T0mb3ry. Currently, I am collecting a full set of Carbon round 2, which is missing flex kit and number row kit. I see that round 3 does not include these two kits. Can you review and add these two kits, I am willing to pay for that, everyone will agree with me on this !! plz
Important Info
The colors will stay the same.
However if someone wants to mix R2 with R3, when one should be aware of possible shade differences which might happen - because SPs plastic supplier is notorious for inconsistency from batch to batch. As example see SP SA Strong Spirit, which was made from different plastic batches and has noticeable shade differences. As another example my alphas from Carbon R1 and R2 differ slightly in shade too. Because of this i specifically pointed out for Yuri to make it from one single plastic batch and did not introduced glorious keys for other existing SP SA sets.
So it should be avoided to mix keys from R2 and R3 with the same base color. For example mixing R2 mods with R3 mods. But things like mixing Alphas/Dual Alphas from R3 with Mods from R2 should work just fine. Anyway i highly suggest for someone who is missing a kit from R2 to search for it on mechmarket. AFAIK finding most of the R2 kits on mechmarket should not be a problem.
Thank you Sir!I really really love SA SP Carbon from you - Mr T0mb3ry. Currently, I am collecting a full set of Carbon round 2, which is missing flex kit and number row kit. I see that round 3 does not include these two kits. Can you review and add these two kits, I am willing to pay for that, everyone will agree with me on this !! plz
Hello,
this IC is open since July and there was plenty of time to make suggestions. Right now the kits are final and will stay as they are. We requested already the quotes and are preparing for the gb.
Also as i understand you want that kit in order to complete your R2 Carbon and thus i like to quote myself where i explain - why its better to get original R2 kits.Important Info
The colors will stay the same.
However if someone wants to mix R2 with R3, when one should be aware of possible shade differences which might happen - because SPs plastic supplier is notorious for inconsistency from batch to batch. As example see SP SA Strong Spirit, which was made from different plastic batches and has noticeable shade differences. As another example my alphas from Carbon R1 and R2 differ slightly in shade too. Because of this i specifically pointed out for Yuri to make it from one single plastic batch and did not introduced glorious keys for other existing SP SA sets.
So it should be avoided to mix keys from R2 and R3 with the same base color. For example mixing R2 mods with R3 mods. But things like mixing Alphas/Dual Alphas from R3 with Mods from R2 should work just fine. Anyway i highly suggest for someone who is missing a kit from R2 to search for it on mechmarket. AFAIK finding most of the R2 kits on mechmarket should not be a problem.
Any chance you would do KAT Carbon in the future? Would love to see that.
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Would you ever consider making these in a low profile cap format?
I am only interested in Cherry profile made by GMK. Someday there will be another round for GMK Carbon. I don't have interest for other profiles.
Sooooooo...I’d rather have DSA toxic; please....
SA Toxic when?! :D