The younger the children, the more important the physical hands-on interaction is to learning. At some point, online learning is easy enough for some topics, but almost impossible for others.true for specialty stuff, but for learning how to read or do math or pretty much any lectures that do not include practice, and in modern schooling that is more and more stuff, forcing students to go back seems almost retarded, given that we still do not yet fully understand the disease and it seems that children are not so safe for sure if there is need of practice but from my schooling experience that was only 3 to 6 hours per week out of 35 but then i am not in the US so i am not sure about how schools work there.
One of my kids is in college in veterinary school and that requires actual physical experience, just to cite one example.
The younger the children, the more important the physical hands-on interaction is to learning. At some point, online learning is easy enough for some topics, but almost impossible for others.true for specialty stuff, but for learning how to read or do math or pretty much any lectures that do not include practice, and in modern schooling that is more and more stuff, forcing students to go back seems almost retarded, given that we still do not yet fully understand the disease and it seems that children are not so safe for sure if there is need of practice but from my schooling experience that was only 3 to 6 hours per week out of 35 but then i am not in the US so i am not sure about how schools work there.
One of my kids is in college in veterinary school and that requires actual physical experience, just to cite one example.
Tp4 didn't learnz Nething in skool until collage.
What's the BFD, just stay home, play diablo, learn 2 read EZ..Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/kBc5OKv.jpg)
The major benefit of school is not the education, but the learning to socialize and interact with peers and others you normally wouldn't associate with.
It is 100% necessary to have classes in-person if we hope to have emotionally competent and socially functional adults.
Kids these days are literally afraid to leave their homes and interact with new people, it's a horrible future that awaits if that mentality persists.
In terms of managing I have come to be very frustrated with younger people entering the workforce who constantly take a back-seat, never put themselves out there, and don't ask questions because they are scared to interact with the very people they work with on a daily biases. They are quite literally a determent due to the way they have been raised and molded by online interaction.
Working and learning exclusively from home is dangerous and will have drastic long-term effects across all of human society.
Kids with emotional issues are better off than kids with dead parents.
The major benefit of school is not the education, but the learning to socialize and interact with peers and others you normally wouldn't associate with.
It is 100% necessary to have classes in-person if we hope to have emotionally competent and socially functional adults.
Kids these days are literally afraid to leave their homes and interact with new people, it's a horrible future that awaits if that mentality persists.
In terms of managing I have come to be very frustrated with younger people entering the workforce who constantly take a back-seat, never put themselves out there, and don't ask questions because they are scared to interact with the very people they work with on a daily biases. They are quite literally a determent due to the way they have been raised and molded by online interaction.
Working and learning exclusively from home is dangerous and will have drastic long-term effects across all of human society.
I never suggested that literally everyone should learn entirely from home, at their own pace instead of that of the hive mind, or even that anyone necessarily should for perpetuity, although I think I would personally have been much better off if I could have done so. I think in many cases, the opposite is the case. Many children are outgoing UNTIL they are thrown into school with their peers, then comes the hierarchy system, and who's cool and who's not, what's cool and what's not, cliques, trends, stereotypes, and all other manner of stupid/pointless and discouraging things, even before bullying comes into play. School breaks a lot of people, turns them into what you describe, not that plenty of people do not also thrive and greatly develop social skills ... should the stars align.
There's no perfect system/solution for any given situation, but what we have now is literally trash.
Lol. Your Marine reference is pretty invalid here. Plus, guess what?! Even the marines know it's not safe. Guess what every branch of armed services is doing for any recruiting classes? That's right.. 14 day isolation followed by COVID-19 test. No one allowed on sight that isn't guaranteed 14 day clear of exposure. I'd be down with that at schools, but it's not possible. Like I said, the entire issue is that children return to their homes for 1/2 of the day.
Lol. Your Marine reference is pretty invalid here. Plus, guess what?! Even the marines know it's not safe. Guess what every branch of armed services is doing for any recruiting classes? That's right.. 14 day isolation followed by COVID-19 test. No one allowed on sight that isn't guaranteed 14 day clear of exposure. I'd be down with that at schools, but it's not possible. Like I said, the entire issue is that children return to their homes for 1/2 of the day.
I wasn't relating it to COVID, I am talking long-term psychological effects of hermit brain.
I have come to be very frustrated with younger people entering the workforce
School breaks a lot of people
I have come to be very frustrated with younger people entering the workforce
School breaks a lot of people
Modern society is complex.
Bottom line is that there needs to be a work force cooperating to accomplish things.
If not school, then what other psychological preparation is there for the "real world"?
Lol. Your Marine reference is pretty invalid here. Plus, guess what?! Even the marines know it's not safe. Guess what every branch of armed services is doing for any recruiting classes? That's right.. 14 day isolation followed by COVID-19 test. No one allowed on sight that isn't guaranteed 14 day clear of exposure. I'd be down with that at schools, but it's not possible. Like I said, the entire issue is that children return to their homes for 1/2 of the day.
I wasn't relating it to COVID, I am talking long-term psychological effects of hermit brain.
Lol. Your Marine reference is pretty invalid here. Plus, guess what?! Even the marines know it's not safe. Guess what every branch of armed services is doing for any recruiting classes? That's right.. 14 day isolation followed by COVID-19 test. No one allowed on sight that isn't guaranteed 14 day clear of exposure. I'd be down with that at schools, but it's not possible. Like I said, the entire issue is that children return to their homes for 1/2 of the day.
I wasn't relating it to COVID, I am talking long-term psychological effects of hermit brain.
I get it. And it was snarky of me the way I replied. I'm just tense. As are most of us lately. I wish I didn't feel like I was living in bizzaro world.
I have come to be very frustrated with younger people entering the workforce
School breaks a lot of people
Modern society is complex.
Bottom line is that there needs to be a work force cooperating to accomplish things.
If not school, then what other psychological preparation is there for the "real world"?
Definitely not the internet where instead of having your ideas challenged people tend to gravitate to safe space echo chambers that reflect their preconceived notions. That's what is really frightening, people being fine living in a world that doesn't challenge them to think differently or understand fresh concepts.
We've always lived in bizzaro world.
We've always lived in bizzaro world.
No.
I don't know how old you are, but I would peg the tipping point at about 1978. But the degradation in education had been happening for at least a decade prior to that.
When I was educated (in the public school system) we were taught critical thinking and intellectual responsibility. Taught that education was a lifetime endeavor.
If you are seriously interested in what has happened to this country in the past 40 years, an excellent start is "Democracy in Chains" by MacLean.
things got bad shockingly fast. Or I should say they got worse.
If schools weren't allergic to change they'd come up with a system that was part online learning, part on site and part work placement. Then they could deploy the best resources on a broader scale instead of most people having a couple of good teachers and the rest being middling to bad.
Kids could go into school two days a week and get much more 1 to 1 attention with the things they're struggling with.
things got bad shockingly fast. Or I should say they got worse.
The stature of the USA as the unquestioned leader of the world peaked with the space program.
After that high, which had blinded most of us to the horrors going on in the world, especially the war in Vietnam, there was a big slump. That was quickly followed by the Watergate scandal which eviscerated the public's trust in the office of the President and the Radical Right was able to step into that vacuum with its 50-year-plan which was already underway.
What we are seeing today, including perpetual wars in the Middle East and the rise of radical nationalism, are just straight-line consequences of a road map that was written in the late 1950s.
If schools weren't allergic to change they'd come up with a system that was part online learning, part on site and part work placement. Then they could deploy the best resources on a broader scale instead of most people having a couple of good teachers and the rest being middling to bad.
Kids could go into school two days a week and get much more 1 to 1 attention with the things they're struggling with.
That's simply not how human society is organized.
You have to produce, 10 physicists, 5 mathematicians, 200 doctors, 10000 construction workers.
Because these proportions exist, it would create Critical societal friction if distributions are not adhered to.
Education from the top down is not and has never been <be all you can be>. It's impossible for humans to be organized equally BY control structures reined by OTHER-humans.
AI decision making could equalize and optimize many areas, however, we will always be required to produce a MAJORITY baseline of poorly educated humans who are not unlike slaves.
Moving into the VERY distant future, with Cybernetic wet-ware entering the true cyborg era, Only then will we have individual parity regardless of occupation.
The stature of the USA as the unquestioned leader of the world peaked with the space program.
After that high, which had blinded most of us to the horrors going on in the world, especially the war in Vietnam, there was a big slump. That was quickly followed by the Watergate scandal which eviscerated the public's trust in the office of the President and the Radical Right was able to step into that vacuum with its 50-year-plan which was already underway.
What we are seeing today, including perpetual wars in the Middle East and the rise of radical nationalism, are just straight-line consequences of a road map that was written in the late 1950s.
Our constitutional freedoms were already being arbitrarily eroded around 100 years ago now, including but not limited to the NFA of 1934 ... which ironically came as a response to the organized crime that was itself created by the similarly irrational/ineffective prohibition of alcohol. There have been controversies/scandals in the office of the president almost as long as we've had presidents. Even Ulysses S. Grant's cabinet was not immune. It isn't even clear to this day whether or not the explosion of the U.S.S. Maine was a false flag, which was our entire justification for ramping up hostility towards Spain, leading to the Spanish-American war, through which we occupied multiple former Spanish colonies and exerted total economic control over them in the background.
Very little has actually changed in these regards. The biggest thing that has changed is the intensity and sheer falsity of the propaganda being crammed down our throats by the major media conglomerates.
The stature of the USA as the unquestioned leader of the world peaked with the space program.
After that high, which had blinded most of us to the horrors going on in the world, especially the war in Vietnam, there was a big slump. That was quickly followed by the Watergate scandal which eviscerated the public's trust in the office of the President and the Radical Right was able to step into that vacuum with its 50-year-plan which was already underway.
What we are seeing today, including perpetual wars in the Middle East and the rise of radical nationalism, are just straight-line consequences of a road map that was written in the late 1950s.
Our constitutional freedoms were already being arbitrarily eroded around 100 years ago now, including but not limited to the NFA of 1934 ... which ironically came as a response to the organized crime that was itself created by the similarly irrational/ineffective prohibition of alcohol. There have been controversies/scandals in the office of the president almost as long as we've had presidents. Even Ulysses S. Grant's cabinet was not immune. It isn't even clear to this day whether or not the explosion of the U.S.S. Maine was a false flag, which was our entire justification for ramping up hostility towards Spain, leading to the Spanish-American war, through which we occupied multiple former Spanish colonies and exerted total economic control over them in the background.
Very little has actually changed in these regards. The biggest thing that has changed is the intensity and sheer falsity of the propaganda being crammed down our throats by the major media conglomerates.
What you said is generally true, but has nothing whatsoever to do with what I said.
Funny that in invoking early US history you talk about Prohibition without mentioning the Whiskey Rebellion, single out the Grant administration as if it was one of the better ones rather than one of the most corrupt, and talk about Teddy Roosevelt's Philippines intervention without mentioning the installation of the Shah (Eisenhower's single greatest blunder) that has destabilized the world to this day.
This whole block CDC from testifying thing. How do ya'll feel bout it.
Georgia Camp, 76% children were infected despite CDC safety protocols.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/hVaXskJ.gif)
Georgia Camp, 76% children were infected despite CDC safety protocols.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/hVaXskJ.gif)
No idea what this camp is but that's crazy, I don't suppose they have any idea what % were sent infected? I'm guessing more than the 0% that should have been (surely they were tested shortly before...)
Georgia Camp, 76% children were infected despite CDC safety protocols.
Well that dnt'wurk.
138 trainees and 120 staff members, joined by 366 participants. Only took 6 days.
:::Projection found that, if schools had stayed open, there could have been roughly 424 more coronavirus infections and 13 more deaths per 100,000 residents over the course of 26 days.
Extrapolate that to the American population, and the country might have seen as many as 1.37 million more cases and 40,600 more deaths:::Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/hVaXskJ.gif)
We never got through the initial wave of this
It's really impossible to have any AFK situations for the next 2-3 years due to the existing spread of the virus.
If we had initial lockdowns and kept numbers low, some openings may be possible, but NOT as it is now.
What does it take, 10 million tests anytime a few cases are detected, compulsory contact tracing, sporadic Lockdowns of entire towns, military enforcement.
US does not have this kind of organization.
We never got through the initial wave of this
Having moved from Cobb County, Georgia, to Knox County, Tennessee, just before the onset of the corona virus pandemic (and having lived in these areas for nearly my entire life), I can say that although East Tennessee residents are just as obstreperous as North Georgia residents with respect to the severity and response to it, they are far less aggressive about it.
While both state and county are about 2/3 the size and population of their Georgia counterparts, the infection rate, and death toll in particular, are dramatically less. Admittedly, Cobb County is a particular hot spot while Knox County is an island of safety, but the differences are stark.
Regardless, just because an isolated neighborhood / city / county / state has weathered a cycle of infection and recovery, the country *as a whole* will not be safe until the country *as a whole* has a valid comprehensive plan - and follows it to its conclusion! (as all the successful countries have done)
Otherwise there will be a continuous cycle of infection replenished from the latest pocket of disease.
Remember, when a sick person and a well person are in a room together, the disease of the sick person will always attempt to infect the well person, but the health of the well person will never cure the sick person.
originally grew up in Fulton/Dekalb areas (Sandy Springs/Buckhead/Dunwoody), the people out here inNorthWest Cobb are of a different breed
US seems to not have any form of organization when it comes to this, all we had to do was follow the lead and actions from our allied countries.
We had our shot, and we blew it. Opening schools will make it impossible to control anything. It's vaccine or bust now, probably bust.
Hmmm... next week schools re-open in UK, will see how it goes...
Hmmm... next week schools re-open in UK, will see how it goes...
We will indeed. My son has been back at nursery for the past month and by all accounts they've all been fine there, but then they have smaller humans they can put in single rooms and can 'bubble' them fairly well.
Good luck doing that with older kids.
Hmmm... next week schools re-open in UK, will see how it goes...
We will indeed. My son has been back at nursery for the past month and by all accounts they've all been fine there, but then they have smaller humans they can put in single rooms and can 'bubble' them fairly well.
Good luck doing that with older kids.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/rzEkOCY.jpg)
Hmmm... next week schools re-open in UK, will see how it goes...
We will indeed. My son has been back at nursery for the past month and by all accounts they've all been fine there, but then they have smaller humans they can put in single rooms and can 'bubble' them fairly well.
Good luck doing that with older kids.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/rzEkOCY.jpg)
Yes, yes, I know tp4 think Jerry cray cray
What? :D Why tp4 is shouting? What does cray cray mean?
My son will be back at nursery tomorrow after bugging us at home while we try and work for the last two days.
My god man, did you not read the n00s.. / outside = max dangerous
What? :D Why tp4 is shouting? What does cray cray mean?
Cray cray is common speak for 'crazy' - I refer you to this posts from last month where I said my son was going back to nursery, haha:My son will be back at nursery tomorrow after bugging us at home while we try and work for the last two days.
My god man, did you not read the n00s.. / outside = max dangerous
Also, damn - sharing that quote means that my son has only been back for two weeks, not a month - why does time feel like it's both going slowly and quickly at the same time?!
1000 students quarantined in georgia after reopening schools. Could've been worse ?
1000 students quarantined in georgia after reopening schools. Could've been worse ?
It is official as of the last few days, we're going to a mostly in-person hybrid model where half of those not enrolled in a virtual option will attend half of the week, and the other half the other half of the week. Only something like 23% of students signed up for the hybrid model, so we're still talking just under 40% room capacity. They're normally packed in there like sardines, there's no way at all that proper social distancing can be maintained like that even if they teleported into their seats for each class ... so I fail to see how this model helps at all besides making the outbreak affect a slightly smaller number once it does happen. At least we're mandating all staff and students wear masks. I'm sure that that, on its own, will go great.
But have no fear, they have a new fix...
Teachers can keep teaching even if they show signs.
I mean, what could go wrong?
Zoom is a joke.
Which makes it really sad that MS had all this time to get Teams and Skype working well and missed the boat (as did Apple and Facebook and...).
Zoom was/is no better than any of them.
I feel like most people using Teams are ones that already have a full Azure tenant with all the bells and whistles, so it wouldn’t have made much difference. Sure, we had to wait for them to roll out larger numbers of participants, etc, but they got there eventually,Considering the lead they had before this, they should have been ready from day one.