The keyboard most similar to the feel of a Keytronic would be a Topre. They're also the most expensive ones on the market...
Hmm interesting...is the general consensus here that they're worth the price?
Any debate on whether Topres are worth the money tends to evolve around a metaphysical debate on what it means for something to be 'worth the money'
I'll put it like this. I paid 100 euros inc shipping for a second hand HHKB. It's arguably my single favorite keyboard, but that is as much to do with the features of the keyboard moreso than the Topre switches, although I like the Topres nonetheless.
I wouldnt pay $200+ for a Topre keyboard in a regular layout. I'd pull full price for a HHKB because I like it so much, but I'm not sure whether it is objectively worth $250 or whatever a new one costs. Hard to say really.
IMHO the AT101W is similar to the Key Tronic in "weight" - they're both pretty light to type on. The Key Tronic does have a more pronounced tactility, though.
I think if you're looking for something similar to Key Tronic for a reasonable price, and the AT101 isn't to your liking, I'd try and get a new ($60) or second hand (probably very cheap) Key Tronic designer.
IMHO the AT101W is similar to the Key Tronic in "weight" - they're both pretty light to type on. The Key Tronic does have a more pronounced tactility, though.
I think if you're looking for something similar to Key Tronic for a reasonable price, and the AT101 isn't to your liking, I'd try and get a new ($60) or second hand (probably very cheap) Key Tronic designer.
On the other hand, I would recommend trying a Scorpius M10, and see how well you like the Cherry blue switches.
Hmm but aren't those supposed to be really loud? How does the volume compare to a KeyTronic?
Well, they are louder than a keytronic, but a lot quieter than a Model M. I use one at work and haven't had any complaints.
Interesting...I may get one. Any idea how the volume compares to white clicky ALPS?
You'd be better off just getting another Keytronic. They're good keyboards.
I may end up doing that...I mainly started this thread because I was wondering if there was a higher quality keyboard with the same type of feel. I'm willing to try a couple cheap mechanicals before I decide, but I can't afford a Topre atm :P
Don't listen to him... Rubber domes just won't do once you've gone mechanical.
Don't listen to him... Rubber domes just won't do once you've gone mechanical.
kind of like how you cant go back to greco-roman paganism once you've gone christian?
LOL - if that's the way it is I'm going mechanical baby!!
;) I rather like my sprites and pixies ;)
I may end up doing that...I mainly started this thread because I was wondering if there was a higher quality keyboard with the same type of feel. I'm willing to try a couple cheap mechanicals before I decide, but I can't afford a Topre atm :P
It's not a horrible 'board at all, especially at the price. Glad you like it.
i thought you were talking about geekhack
i thought you were talking about geekhack
Topres aren't mechanical. They're just rubber domes and springs.
Trust me. I have paid the price.
I roughly added up all the keyboards I have bought since joining GH, and it came out to over $1000. My HHKB + RF 23U alone was about $400. I can't imagine how much Webwit has spent.
So far I'm liking the Dell AT101W I ordered a lot. I was surprised that the keys didn't require as much force as I assumed they would, from looking at the switch diagram. Seems to be a solid board overall.
I roughly added up all the keyboards I have bought since joining GH, and it came out to over $1000. My HHKB + RF 23U alone was about $400. I can't imagine how much Webwit has spent.
I'm close to that amount. My Topre was what got me close to it. This is why I sometimes don't want to think about how much I spent on keyboards. Fountain pens, stationery and italic handwriting books were the ones which hit me hard in 2010. I guess there is always something to spend money on.
This is what I'm trying to avoid. I like the information that I can get and share on this board, but I don't want to get to the point where I'm spending crazy amounts of $ on keyboards. Not that I think what you guys have done is bad (and arguably I'm sure you have a much more sublime typing experience than myself).
This is what I'm trying to avoid. I like the information that I can get and share on this board, but I don't want to get to the point where I'm spending crazy amounts of $ on keyboards. Not that I think what you guys have done is bad (and arguably I'm sure you have a much more sublime typing experience than myself).
I guess I could say the same about Geekhack so far. After my advice thread worked out and I got my hands on the keyboard I wanted (with some common sense sprinkled into the advice, such as me deciding for myself that no matter how many Geekhackers tell me that spending $200 on a keyboard is a good idea, I will not spend $200 on a keyboard), I have no desire for different keyboards, especially after reading people's opinions on them.
Sorry for the long post.
This is an easier thing to do for some than for others. I ended up wanting to try lighter and lighter switches. I moved from Buckling Spring to Black Alps, Blue Cherry to Brown Cherry to Topre.
EDIT: Had I bought a blue Cherry keyboard first, I would probably have stayed with just one keyboard. That being said, I'm happy that I don't regret having bought any of my keyboards.
I know I always say this, but now that I have a Realforce, I don't think that I will be buying anymore keyboards any time soon. Since lowpoly's project is shelved, and there's not really anything interesting coming down the pike, I don't think I will be temped by much. I think it might be time for a little collection purge (G80-3000, MX SPOS, RF numpad). I'll have to list those after I get back from Chicago.
No problem; that's kind of how I am. However, I'm getting curious to try a blue cherry board, and I wish there was a common, inexpensive and well-made one that could be picked up on ebay cheap (like my MX11800 and AT101W). But that doesn't seem to be the case.
That's interesting and makes me want to try blue cherry even more... :P
I know I always say this, but now that I have a Realforce, I don't think that I will be buying anymore keyboards any time soon. Since lowpoly's project is shelved, and there's not really anything interesting coming down the pike, I don't think I will be temped by much. I think it might be time for a little collection purge (G80-3000, MX SPOS, RF numpad). I'll have to list those after I get back from Chicago.
Like patrick said, it's easier transition down in weight gradually. Jumping from BS to Cherry browns is a tough transition. I didn't really like Cherry browns going from ALPS. After I used them for awhile, though, they became my favorite switch. Now, I'm digging the Topres which are a little lighter than the Cherry browns (on some keys).
I was not so lucky in the sense that mine required that I pressed on the keys right in the middle. Pressing the keys right in the middle was great, but if I did not, they did not feel great.
I've just started to notice this too. I'm going to try switching to my MX11800 and using that for a few days so I can see the difference between switches. If you hit the keys slightly off-center they won't press down :(
As I was just educated about this in this thread: suggestions for Blue Cherry MX? (Last but not Least) (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=10877) (don't mind the people having a bad day, the info was still discussed in some detail) apparently the Cherry blues are designed to transfer force from off-center key presses to avoid this specific issue. I am assuming this also applies to the other MX switches as well?
I have never had any issues with off-center key presses with any of my Cherry brown 'boards. Cherry MLs suck for off-center response, though.
I have never had any problem of that nature with my Cherry keyboard either. Interestingly, I think this problem exist with real ALPS. My ABS M1 does not seem to suffer this kind of problem either.
I have never had any issues with off-center key presses with any of my Cherry brown 'boards. Cherry MLs suck for off-center response, though.
I have noticed this very issue with my 2 newest keyboards: a Dell AT101W and a Cherry G84-4100. I guess that I wasn't paying attention to the format of the Cherry board before I purchased, tiny keys and my monster paws don't jive. I believe this board has the ML switches you mentioned, and they do in fact bind when not pressed on center. Disappointed all the way around with that board.
"Big Deuce." That makes me chuckle.
New member, first time poster, newly addicted key-switch seeker.
Greetings, seeker! but be forewarned...
BEWARE!! BEWARE, I SAY!!!
Sure you come here, looking for good research info to make a good choice so you don't end up wasting money but it only gets worse the more info you get. Each thing seems intriguing with the depth of detail about every single switch and its variants, and then you realize that the only way to KNOW is to try em out. When I made the decision to buy a Model M I thought I was choosing between 3 potential keyboards tops only now I've been hemorrhaging cash for keyboards ever since I signed up only a few months ago. Not that I consider that money wasted by any stretch of the imagination, but I just did a little inventory check here and it has GOT to stop or I'm going to have to apply a tourniquet on the Paypal account.
I was in the exact same situation as you. I stumbled on article on the Das. I wanted to have some reviews before I spent a big sum of money on a keyboard. Then I learned about buckling spring, that everyone should at least try one of them once. Then, this forum lifted the veil on a whole new world that I never knew existed: buckling spring, Cherry Blue, Cherry Brown, ALPS Black, ALPS white, Topre... And like you said, the only way to know is to try them out. In the process, I realised that I liked lighter switches more than heavier ones, but I do like heavier ones from time to time. Again, like you said, I don't consider the money I spent as money wasted, even if sometimes it's depressing to consider the total amount.
I've decided that if I spend more than $100 on a keyboard, I'll only do it once.
I've decided that if I spend more than $100 on a keyboard, I'll only do it once. So in the meantime, I can decide if it's really worth it and which exact one I want. In the meantime, I'm happy with my cheap-o boards :P
I've decided that if I spend more than $100 on a keyboard, I'll only do it once. So in the meantime, I can decide if it's really worth it and which exact one I want. In the meantime, I'm happy with my cheap-o boards :P
Yeah, right.
Hehe well I've limited myself to not buy any other boards for several months at least so we'll see. I tried typing again on the AT101W yesterday and it wasn't as bad as I remembered - only a few keys cause issues. I guess this is something you could get used to by training yourself to always hit certain keys at a direct angle. I must say though, the tenkeyless Filco is very intriguing... :Dthis:
I don't want to scare you, but you seem to be in big troube. You've stayed here for too long :-)
Lolz...well I'm typing on my AT101W again and it's better than I remembered. It's true that hitting some of the keys indirectly doesn't result in a keypress but it's not too bad if you're already a touch-typist. Overall I like it but I'm still interested to try the MX11800 for a couple days. Not saying I won't end up getting a Filco or Topre one day but for now I think I'm happy with these two haha
Agreed the Dell is much nicer than I thought. I am using mine now too, since the M is a little too much exercise for me right now. I still get a little bind here and there, and seem to type "teh" alot instead of "the" though. I was surprised to discover how much I like the black non-clicky Alps. Though they still click because I tend to bottom out the keystroke after typing on the M.
From the "Mechanical Keyboards Sorted By Switch Wiki":
Your Unicomp Customizer for example clicks when you depress the switch slowly.
Any Cherry MX switch is smoother than an ALPS. ALPS are pretty raggedy.
I noticed the clicking the other day when I switched to my MX11800 for the better part of the day. Although I liked the cherry browns to some degree I found myself wishing for the feel of the Dell again. Which confuses me, because in the wiki Black Alps and Cherry Browns are both listed under 'Tactile and Non-clicky'. I don't think this is true - the Alps definitely have a 'click'.
Which brings me to another question - since I like the feel of the black alps a lot on my Dell but I don't like the issue so much with the stiffness of the keys, is there a different type of switch which has the feeling of black alps but is much smoother? The closest I can think of (atm) is my current Key Tronic! Lol...or maybe that's how a Topre feels? I'm a bit confused...
Any Cherry MX switch is smoother than an ALPS. ALPS are pretty raggedy.
Ok that's more clear...so by that then it seems what I'm really looking for in a mechanical switch would be closer to Clear Cherry or Topre?
Ok - I got totally lost on that exchange, and if I'm to give any meaningful report of what I discover in my various experiments next week, I'll need to clarify terms. If any Cherry switch is "smoother" than an Alps, but the "feel" of the Alps is preferred over said Cherries, then : Could you please clarify which part of the keypress that you are referring to when you say you like the "feel" of the Dell - do you mean how hard you have to push the key to actuate, how far it travels in total distance or... ? And by "smoother" do you mean in terms of friction as the key depresses or do you mean less tactile bump than even the Dell? If the latter then you may want a LINEAR switch (which is what the Topre does have, yes?) without a bump at all? If so then you may want Cherry BLACK switches (no bump, no click), but these require higher actuation force (I've read).
Does ALPS have a linear switch? (I've never even researched that. For myself, I was only interested in clicky boards, hence my surprise about liking the Dell AT101W at all, but then again, I guess it hasn't gone up against the big guns yet either. ANYTHING is an improvement over the plastic toys that are generally available...)
Does key "stiffness" mean the opposite of "smoothness"? Could it (in theory) be addressed by some kind of lubricant to ease friction increasing "smoothness" or is this in reference to how much force is required to initiate actuation or what?
Aside: Why is spell check underlining "clicky"? How does "cl icky" make the dictionary and not that? or for that matter "cl-icky" and not "click-y"? Wtf? So before I hit "Add to dictionary," should it be "clicky" or "clickey" (or should it be "click-y" or "click-ey")?
I noticed the clicking the other day when I switched to my MX11800 for the better part of the day. Although I liked the cherry browns to some degree I found myself wishing for the feel of the Dell again. Which confuses me, because in the wiki Black Alps and Cherry Browns are both listed under 'Tactile and Non-clicky'. I don't think this is true - the Alps definitely have a 'click'.
Which brings me to another question - since I like the feel of the black alps a lot on my Dell but I don't like the issue so much with the stiffness of the keys, is there a different type of switch which has the feeling of black alps but is much smoother? The closest I can think of (atm) is my current Key Tronic! Lol...or maybe that's how a Topre feels? I'm a bit confused...
If the latter then you may want a LINEAR switch (which is what the Topre does have, yes?)
Does ALPS have a linear switch? (I've never even researched that. For myself, I was only interested in clicky boards, hence my surprise about liking the Dell AT101W at all, but then again, I guess it hasn't gone up against the big guns yet either. ANYTHING is an improvement over the plastic toys that are generally available...)
Does key "stiffness" mean the opposite of "smoothness"? Could it (in theory) be addressed by some kind of lubricant to ease friction increasing "smoothness" or is this in reference to how much force is required to initiate actuation or what?
Aside: Why is spell check underlining "clicky"? How does "cl icky" make the dictionary and not that? or for that matter "cl-icky" and not "click-y"? Wtf? So before I hit "Add to dictionary," should it be "clicky" or "clickey" (or should it be "click-y" or "click-ey")?
Maybe Brown/Clear Cherry switches.
Alps and Cherrys are relatively un-smooth compared to Topres or Buckling Springs.
If the above is a correct example of what you mean in terms of smooth, then I think that perhaps the Topre would indeed be what you are seeking, since I would agree with this being true of the BS vs ALPS, and I'm guessing that lack of smoothness comes from the sliding nature of the mechanisms in the Cherry/Alps switch vs the open space and lack of friction in the BS.
Given this info, plus the fact that you've tried the Browns and seem to prefer the Dells black alps minus the bind from off-center keypresses, I'm inclined to think that maybe a blue MX board is in order for you, too. I'll have mine maybe today, so I can let you know how I would compare it to the Dell at any rate.
That's what I'm thinking at this point too. I'm thinking it might be about time to change that big coffee can of quarters in my room into cash for a keyboard splurge. Never thought I'd say that, but if it's the last $100+ keyboard I buy then it's worth it.
Cool, I'm interested to hear your feedback on the blue then since you seem to understand pretty well what I'm going for. This board rocks, very helpful =)
I'll let you know how it compares as soon as it arrives - with any luck you'll find the sweet spot with a little less trial and error...
I'm still interested to hear what Voixdelion says about his blues.
Fatal gender assumptions are fatal.
Fatal gender assumptions are fatal.
Haha right after I posted that I thought 'Now Voixdelion is going to be like "Hey I'm a girl!"'. Sorry bout that!
And here we are! Me, Goddess of the Running Blues now typing on the newest addition to the household...
More detailed look later, but first impressions are/were mild - now improving though as I adjust to how they feel. For myself now, I am glad I didn't get the Filco, since the design of the MX switch plus the taller keycaps I think might make that wobble that was talked about a little too much for me.
As to the specifics against the Dell that we both know, yes, they are smoother to me even right out of the box, though I have read that the Cherries have a "break in" period. First impression is even that maybe these blues are actually almost TOO light for me since I almost feel like I have to actively lift up my wrists to keep the weight of my hands from depressing the keys while hovering on the home row.
(Since I think your safety is more important than a board review)
In that case, I would think maybe you might really like these blue boards...
Is the Adesso plate-mounted or PCB-mounted?I don't know actually - how can one tell? There are pics of the innards on the review page.
So, keyboardlover, have you made your decision yet? Which keyboard are you getting after all?
What we really need is a "Keyswitch Deathmatch" sub-forum to do a one on one compare by people who have both things and then maybe we can extrapolate from those compares when making decisions between similar things, eh?
Well the PCB mounted cherry switches generally have a softer landing to them (all Cherry made boards that I know of are PCB mounted).
The plate mounted switches are more rigid, so the landing when you bottom out will usually be a bit harder (FILCO boards are plate mounted).
As for which is better, dunno. Depends on what your fingers like (and can handle).
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So seeing that the blues actually make it possible for me to actually avoid the bottom-out issue its a moot point in this case. Nifty. Really liking the Adesso a lot more and more, btw. If the Filco is actually superior to it, I would really have to get one, but I dunno, I think this ain't so bad. (Already using that volume control quite a bit...) Specially for the cost (@80 shipped):
http://www.provantage.com/adesso-mkb-135b~7ADES09P.htm (http://www.provantage.com/adesso-mkb-135b%7E7ADES09P.htm)
get a das.
You're just pissed that both Elitekeyboards (Majestouch) and Ebay seller (Brian O'Neill) have put you on "banned customer" lists.
(http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=102138&postcount=25)
As I like saying, the "The Customer is NOT always right! In fact you'd be SURPRISED at all the idiots out there".
You're just pissed that both Elitekeyboards (Majestouch) and Ebay seller Rarekeyboardstore 99.5% Approval (http://myworld.ebay.com/rarekeyboardstore/) (Brian O'Neill) have put you on "banned customer" lists.
(http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=102138&postcount=25)
As I like saying, the "The Customer is NOT always right! In fact you'd be SURPRISED at all the idiots out there".
I've heard a lot of both good and bad stuff about Brian's customer support. Some people like him and some hate him. But I know that if he put me on a "banned customer list" for objecting to paying return shipping I'd just ship him a nice 1-star review.
Personally, I don't think I would want ever to buy something from someone who has a "banned customer list" :rolleyes:
Wellington, you'd make a great Catholic with a suffering and persecution complex like that...
I'm a Catholic and I don't appreciate that. If you have a problem with Catholics, kindly keep it out of my thread. Thanks.
As an Irishman, I am qualified to say whatever I want about Catholicism. Especially after what the church did to my country...
Got a problem with it? Tough.
I suppose that as an Irishman though, you wouldn't have the "class" to keep your religious opinions out of a thread about computer keyboards though, would you?
I'm technically a Catholic too. Getting excommunicated is not as easy as it used to be back in the good 'ole days...
You guys are going Off Topic. I was in the middle of calling Welly a liar.
And BTW he accuses the Pope of Genocide.
I've read quite a bit and I know that being 'Irish Catholic' is hard and I know what a lot of people in your country have gone through. But I disagree with blaming the church as a whole, since being a Catholic is not the same in other parts of the world (despite what the pope may think or claim).
You guys are going Off Topic. I was in the middle of calling Welly a liar.
And BTW he accuses the Pope of Genocide.
The Church as an organization, even up to the Vatican level, was very ambivalent to the bad things that the priests and bishops on the ground were doing. The fact that cover ups like the ones in Ireland are popping up in places such as Germany, Belgium, the US, Canada and others suggest that it wasn't just a once off.
But I agree, we're going waaaay off, let's just say no more for it.
We've already gone way off. I've accepted it at this point :P
keyboardlover, Internet. Internet, keyboardlover. My apologies for not introducing you sooner, I thought you had already met.
Thanks, I appreciate that. I don't believe I've met sarcasm, would you be so kind as to introduce us?
Das is good if you can get the student discount and don't mind the gloss (here's my review - 14K hits so somebody's reading it (http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:6300)). Their trouble ticket system (they sell it as Mojo Helpdesk - dropping the Germanic pretensions and going for Cajun I guess) really sucks though. I've used it twice to RMA keyboards. (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=101996&postcount=298)
It ends up costing almost exactly $100.
Best thing to do is to call Erin directly at Metadot and ask for the discount. Their trouble ticket system sucks so best just to call.
Use this ID if she asks for proof.Show Image(http://images.teamsugar.com/files/upl1/1/13254/31_2008/haha.jpg)
Oh. Here we go. Sounded like you swapped the USB version for the PS/2 version. (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=99389&postcount=58)
I'm not sure why you expected Brian O'Neill to pay return shipping for that.
But then you are a pretentious twat so I don't know how your mind works.
did i mention i pissed off the esteemed brian? I tried to swap one keyb for another, he said fine, then charged me for return shipping, which I didnt expect. Which is fine, but I told him he should mention that in his return policy. Next thing I know I received a *very* sarcastic email informing me of the type of low lifeform I was, and he was giving me the shipping back but I was "banned" from his store forever more. Whatever. Seemed like a bit of an over-reaction, but you never know who you'll meet online :)
And anyway I took it as a sign from the gods to not keep buying keyboards that I dont need. :)
Lol well, I used to think this was a great messageboard...
Ok cool...that's helpful info. I think I might get a cheap Compaq MX 11800 too just to see if I like Cherry Brown's (I know they take way less force than the AT101W but who knows)...the addiction has started :P
The brown Cherry switches are very smooth and light, but if you use one, make sure to type lightly as they are low-force switches.
Here's an idea: how about you stop giving info and advice on topics you're not qualified* to do so for in an attempt to make yourself look like a valuable, contributing member of the community**.
* "qualified" IMHO would require currently owning or having owned in the past multiple keyboards of the switch type in question
** if the implication wasn't strong enough, you have been neither valuable or contributing in recent times. Nobody finds you funny or cute - we're all sick of it.
Why?
2nd EDIT: The G813000LRNUS2 (http://www.barcodediscount.com/catalog/cherry/part-g813000lrnus2.htm)is in stock and it says it has mechanical switches. Does that one have blues?
I've used keyboards with brown Cherry switches, including a friend's Compaq MX1800. So I think I have at least some knowledge on how they feel. I know I don't say a lot of valuable stuff, but I know at least a little bit about most keyboards.
No G81 != MX switches of any flavor.
I'd also like to remind, people make a big deal about bottoming out on low force boards. Really, as long as the noise isn't bothering anyone,it can still feel better to ones fingers, than not bottoming out on BS or cherry blacks, etc. It does make a good note, that better feedback results in less bottoming out, which leads to somewhat faster typing. I could see, even if someone bottomed out like crazy, still preferring a lower force board, depending on their priorities and preferences.
Also, I may be wrong, my blue Cherry G80-3000 keys needed to be broken in. After some usage, the keys were smoother.
I think you're spot on. The need for cherry break in is in various posts. Break in isn't just a Filco thing, it is a Cherry MX tactile switch thing.
Personally, I don't think I would want ever to buy something from someone who has a "banned customer list" :rolleyes:
Maybe I'll just wait until the G80-3000LSCRC-2 is back in stock (or get one used).
2nd EDIT: The G813000LRNUS2 (http://www.barcodediscount.com/catalog/cherry/part-g813000lrnus2.htm)is in stock and it says it has mechanical switches. Does that one have blues?
We tend to go off topic after page 7 in a "What Keyboard To Buy" post.Actually, I noticed it averages around a three page threshold for maintaining focus... on anything. But don't take it personal, whatever you do. It's just that without Webwit, there's no focal point for the trolling energy; Since he departed it seems to have gone a bit everywhere. We shall have to appoint a new troll lighting rod to take his place, and there seem to be several folks vying for such an honorable position. I think Ripster wants it the most though... In general, if it gets distressing, there is a useful "ignore" feature. Most of the time I can do that without a button though...
Any debate on whether Topres are worth the money tends to evolve around a metaphysical debate on what it means for something to be 'worth the money'Instead of metaphysics, I suppose this is something for the individual to judge - based on how much money he has available to him.
This is a stupid self-defeating business practice. INGdirect has a policy of firing customers who call customer service too much.
Not if any further potential business is going to lead to more hassle than it's worth?
Here's an idea: how about you stop giving info and advice on topics you're not qualified* to do so for in an attempt to make yourself look like a valuable, contributing member of the community**.
* "qualified" IMHO would require currently owning or having owned in the past multiple keyboards of the switch type in question
** if the implication wasn't strong enough, you have been neither valuable or contributing in recent times. Nobody finds you funny or cute - we're all sick of it.
Not if any further potential business is going to lead to more hassle than it's worth?
My concern is not his lack of experience but rather stretching what experience he has to cover up his utterly worthless posts on the site (fraudulently creating the right to say "see, look, I posted on-topic")
I'm not into troll feeding. When someone new to switches has demonstrated a taste for higher force clicky switches, then I think MSW was completely in line to remind that browns are smooth and low force. For me, that's why I like them and why I expect to like Topre.
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=6450&do=comments&highlight=disassembled+keyboard (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=6450&do=comments&highlight=disassembled+keyboard)
Yes, I used to actually contribute information and stories about mechanical keyboards. Can you all believe it?
One useful post out of 3,200+? Impressive.
Your points are valid, welly. However, they don't apply to MW because MW has even stated the fact himself that he is only here to irritate people and drag the place down. He requires no defense and should not be given one because he's said this...case closed, banhammer deserved (but won't be used, I'm sure).
So in regards to my decision; I've decided to not get anything else for a while
30 day ban.
stating it is one thing, actually doing it is another. I dont think he's actually done it. Being off-topic doesnt count on a site that is like 70% off topic all the time (by our own admission, we go off topic by the 7th post in a given thread, if not sooner).
are we going to ban him for being off-topic in a bunch of posts? He hasnt targeted anyone and he hasnt been over-the-top offensive. What happened to "if he bothers you, put him on the ignore list"? IMav rarely bans anyone, it has to be something really grossly obvious for them to get banned (like a porn spammer or something).
There is a difference between going off topic, and malicious derailment.
I used to try and contribute good advice and information, but some folks here got nasty because I was a cheapie. So I decided that instead of leaving, I'd give myself something to do and get some entertainment by having sport with the jerks.He gets a 30 day ban for publicly declaring he is here to jerk around the membership. I have over 100 PM's from users complaining about him...but I saw no reason to ban or kick him.
Why would I want that job? The trolls around here are so unfunny. They have the sense of humor of Canadians and are almost as boring.
Except of course for lmnop. She's special.
I have over 100 PM's from users complaining about him...
...to say the least have found not a single person who thinks he helps.
He gets a 30 day ban for publicly declaring he is here to jerk around the membership. I have over 100 PM's from users complaining about him...but I saw no reason to ban or kick him.
This statement, however, says to me that he is just here to crap all over the forum. THAT crosses a line with me.
I will certainly miss his presence. It's like a movie without an "*******," like American Pie without Stiffler.
You're talking about the departure of Webwit, right?
I don't know if Microsoft Windows will return. But I'm here to let us all get this mess done and over with.what mess? tl;dr
20 one line posts in an hour.
John Deer, you sure we haven't met?
MW must seriously have no life (although that was already clear)
So in regards to my decision; I've decided to not get anything else for a while, but eventually I will get a blue cherry board (not Filco) and a used Topre.
Cheap rules out Topre.
I just posted a Cherry MX8100 with Cherry Clears for $19 BIN but it sold an hour after I posted the link. Gotta be quick to get the deals!
I know...I liked that one; only thing I didn't like is that it was white. If something like that came up that was black with nkro I would jump on it! I would consider the Topre if it was a good deal (and frankly I wouldn't care about the color either).
So, I ended up going for the Topre...
I think i barely regreted going for a good but expensive choice, but i often regreted saving money on the wrong products. So Topre was hopefully a good investment for you.
I think i barely regreted going for a good but expensive choice, but i often regreted saving money on the wrong products. So Topre was hopefully a good investment for you.
I'm not sure I get the logic of "once I'm over $100 I might as well go to $200" but I think you'll like the RealForce.
I tend to think it of it as:
1. Good deals under $50 - used, free from dumpster, Ebay finds
2. Mainstream Mechanicals - $50-$100 - Adesso, Scorpius, Steelseries 6GV2
3. Great quality and/or Feature Laden LED lit - $100 - $200- Das, Filco, Deck, the new Razer/Scorpius
4. Boutique Topre - $200 Plus
And of course like most products there is usually a direct corellation with price/quality but diminishing returns as you go up the price curve. Like the all metal keyboards. Or the Optimus Maximus Biggus ****us.
:jaw:
That was fast; looks like Patrick and I had you pegged for not getting out of this forum cheap, but you don't ****foot around do you?. Good for you! You'll probably love it. I don't think I've seen a comment about anyone not liking the Topre once they've built up the courage (or funds) to get one. (and speaking of Patrick - still waiting for you to chime on the "what have you bought" thread; as you said, we seem to have had some parallel experiences.)