Post by: break on Wed, 22 July 2020, 17:14:08
GMK Red Alert
(https://imgur.com/nHgXYx9.png)
Hubble 65 by Yoni and Mechs & Co with GMK Red Alert.
Render by pikku-allu.
Hubble 65 by Yoni and Mechs & Co with GMK Red Alert.
Render by pikku-allu.
Thanks to the following people for approving this Interest Check:
- Seoulcialite (the last runner of DCS Red Alert)
- Ragnorock (runner of white-on-red Red Alert back in 2012)
- Photekq (runner of GMK Red Alert in 2015)
- Warren (runner of GMK Classic Red)
I have additionally reached out to sixty and uranium, the first runners of Red Alert, and will update this IC when (if, unfortunately...) they write back.
Background
Red Alert has run various times throughout the years. It first ran during 2011 as OTD Red Alert (https://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?t=860) thanks to sixty and uranium, who worked extremely hard with SP to perfect their custom legends almost a decade ago. The set has run several times thereafter in both “OG” / Classic Beige and red-on-white variations.
The CP/U9 version of this set has not run since 2015, and I’d like to help make this set available to a new wave of keeb fans (including myself).
Renders
Hubble65 in red, by Yoni and Mechs & Co
(https://imgur.com/LjgMc09.png)
(https://imgur.com/nHgXYx9.png)
(https://imgur.com/G91aSYK.png)
Dawn FE in white, by crykn of Finite Design
(https://i.imgur.com/UXd1M9n.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/TIeCuLI.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/tOIOi3v.png)
Titan Grey Kei, by beamingrobot and bisoromi
(https://i.imgur.com/n9DZm8c.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/RjWQKW4.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/IWqXBYL.jpg)
Proposed Kits
Big big thanks to Pikku-allu for working on these kit renders.
Base Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/Bw5cJoC.png)
OG Number Kit
(https://imgur.com/QOwqmxH.png)
Classic Compute Kit (Extension)
(https://i.imgur.com/7NyVLSu.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/mb177Hq.png)
This Cyrillic kit will be full doubleshot, using the same molds ttom is developing for GMK Cyrillic Beige Add-On (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104745.0)
Notable changes from the last GMK run:
- P3 stock red instead of V1
- R5 sculpted bottom row (and interested in adding R0 if there's demand)
- base kit has modern physical ISO support on R3/R4, and heavily considering adding UK ISO support to the base kit - please share feedback if you'd like this
- no LED indicator caps, although I can add these back in if you're interested
- good support for 40s and Alice layouts in base kit
Questions & Answers
Why are you using P3 instead of V1?
The set last ran with V1, which looks surprisingly orange in person. P3 was introduced in the following year (2016), so as far as I know the set has never had the option of running with P3. See below for samples of three stock GMK reds.
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725435232743850084/727588224276627466/image0.jpg)
Will you offer a 40s kit?
The Extension kit provides a decent amount of coverage for 40s layouts, and I am exploring how to improve coverage.
What about aluminum artisans?
I plan to offer aluminum artisans, but it will not be white-on-red like the RAMA options for GMK Classic Red (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=107236.0). If you like that design, check out that GB before August 1st!
Aren’t you also running GMK Birch?
The IC for GMK Birch (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=107246.0) is indeed live. I feel confident in my ability to manage a second Interest Check, including one with only stock colors and no new original content. I also want to improve the set’s availability without sending folks to Mechmarket.
Vendors
GMK Red Alert will be available for pre-order from March 5th to April 9th, 2021 at these vendors.
US - Mechs & Co
SEA - Monokei
CA - DeskHero
EU - MyKeyboard.eu
AU - Daily Clack
UK - Prototypist
Artisans
After working on a few artisan collabs, I'm excited to announce that
TRMK Caps
Sodie Caps
Prime Caps
Fraktal Kaps
Alpha Keycaps
Destroyer Caps
Bad and Booj Keys
Phage Caps
DeagCaps
will be collaborating with us on GMK Red Alert.
I designed Yuri Salvador, and Yohan has raffled it off. You can find it floating around mechmarket.
(https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5ba3cec929f2cc0d91dbe9b2/1598861608600-W8JUAZ8IP3VFB2OMZA4T/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kLkXF2pIyv_F2eUT9F60jBl7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z4YTzHvnKhyp6Da-NYroOW3ZGjoBKy3azqku80C789l0iyqMbMesKd95J-X4EagrgU9L3Sa3U8cogeb0tjXbfawd0urKshkc5MgdBeJmALQKw/DSC02610.jpg?format=2500w)
More Information
Join my Discord server. (https://discord.gg/hcQPehf)
Fill out this IC survey. (https://forms.gle/mjXCR5PvEDCKGqjN9)
Thanks
- Ulliam, konstantin, tom, CoolMike, Psyoshi, Jampot, and depletedvespene for talking through kitting, and Pwner for first suggesting P3
- pikku-allu for the amazing renders
- previous and related GB runners for their approval and feedback
- T0mb3ry for approval to use his classic-inspired Cherry novelties, and hineybush and Lightning for novelty feedback
- konstantin for the sweet text + icon KLE template
Post by: break on Wed, 22 July 2020, 17:14:37
Next Steps
As of October 15th:
- Finalize deskmat design.
- Finalize aluminum artisans.
- Lock in kit pricing.
As of July 30th:
- Get kits rendered.
- Design novelties.
- Design deskmat and secure cable.
- Design aluminum artisan.
Post by: MyManMart on Wed, 22 July 2020, 17:17:42
Post by: SirShakes on Wed, 22 July 2020, 17:19:22
Post by: hineybush on Wed, 22 July 2020, 17:19:55
Post by: -Jerry- on Wed, 22 July 2020, 17:20:23
A classic colour way :)
Post by: tomu on Wed, 22 July 2020, 17:22:23
Post by: Kokaloo on Wed, 22 July 2020, 17:24:14
bloo next pls
Post by: Jampot_298 on Wed, 22 July 2020, 17:25:40
Post by: Fredington on Wed, 22 July 2020, 17:31:24
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Wed, 22 July 2020, 17:34:56
Post by: Capsy on Wed, 22 July 2020, 17:36:10
Post by: Polyzhu on Wed, 22 July 2020, 17:36:59
Post by: MoarCoffeePlzzz on Wed, 22 July 2020, 17:38:16
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Wed, 22 July 2020, 17:38:45
Red alert without the all red num row
GMK Red Alert is a different colorway than DCS red alert
Was why I wanted Classic red to have a second base kit with red alphas and white mods. only 40 more than the alt alphas kit, and buying both lets you recreate DCS red alert
Post by: ttom on Wed, 22 July 2020, 17:39:50
Post by: hayt on Wed, 22 July 2020, 17:47:29
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 22 July 2020, 18:07:59
(Speaking of KLE, if you need somewhat accurate icon+text mods and a facsimile of the Cherry font, feel free to clone this template (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/159f4bd309e923db633bed7538ca1ba0).)
I like the choice you made to use P3 over V1.
I know numpad sublegends are classic, but maybe we could do without them this time around?
Post by: break on Wed, 22 July 2020, 18:51:48
I’ve got the Nod theme from C&C in my head now, haha.
A classic colour way :)
Post by: cijanzen on Wed, 22 July 2020, 18:51:51
Post by: break on Wed, 22 July 2020, 18:54:44
I’d join
neat
F yeah P3
LEMME IN
clean
The goat has returned!!
This is what I've been waiting for. I'm 1000% interested!!
nice
yessir
P3 definitely seems like the right choice here!
Thanks for joining me in appreciating a classic. Let's get this made!
noice
bloo next pls
I would love to see GMK Blue Alert / Olivetti return some day.
Luckily for all of us, GMK Red Alert can return someday too!
Post by: break on Wed, 22 July 2020, 19:03:11
Kitting looks really good, although some of the keys in the KLE are in the wrong rows; might wanna fix that :thumb:
(Speaking of KLE, if you need somewhat accurate icon+text mods and a facsimile of the Cherry font, feel free to clone this template (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/159f4bd309e923db633bed7538ca1ba0).)
I like the choice you made to use P3 over V1.
I know numpad sublegends are classic, but maybe we could do without them this time around?
Thanks!
I can't figure out how to get the damn ISO Enter on the correct row in KLE. I'll play around with it some more soon. Does anything else look off to you?
Thanks for the template, I'll update this IC.
I don't have a strong opinion about the numpad legends.
Post by: Auxo on Wed, 22 July 2020, 19:05:22
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 22 July 2020, 19:08:15
I can't figure out how to get the damn ISO Enter on the correct row in KLE. I'll play around with it some more soon. Does anything else look off to you?1u num 0 is shown in R1, should be R4.
Barred num 5 is shown in R2, should be R4.
Mod-colored `~ is shown in R2, should be R1.
ISO Enters are shown spanning R1–R2, should be R2–R3.
Thanks for the template, I'll update this IC.:thumb:
By the way, the 1.25u Sys keys should probably be System instead; not sure if a 1.25u Sys mold exists. I would also suggest making the 1.25u Ctrl keys Control, as I think that's the preferred legend by far (at least when it comes to GMK).
Post by: MoarCoffeePlzzz on Wed, 22 July 2020, 19:08:30
NE chance of return of Joker keycap :-[
I second this!!
Post by: Fredington on Wed, 22 July 2020, 19:10:54
Post by: break on Wed, 22 July 2020, 19:26:19
I found but lost this pic. Ugh. Which of the 16 different Red Alert ran with this keycap?NE chance of return of Joker keycap :-[
I second this!!
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Post by: MyManMart on Wed, 22 July 2020, 20:21:34
Also +1 from me for windowed caps and scroll.
Post by: MoarCoffeePlzzz on Wed, 22 July 2020, 20:33:44
I found but lost this pic. Ugh. Which of the 16 different Red Alert ran with this keycap?NE chance of return of Joker keycap :-[
I second this!!
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Here is a photo of it on my board from the OG GMK run..
https://imgur.com/g1zUisx
Post by: Martakia on Wed, 22 July 2020, 20:35:05
Post by: lawzii on Wed, 22 July 2020, 20:38:34
Post by: dondongler on Wed, 22 July 2020, 20:41:38
Post by: break on Wed, 22 July 2020, 20:45:42
Well I’m definitely offering that somehow!I found but lost this pic. Ugh. Which of the 16 different Red Alert ran with this keycap?NE chance of return of Joker keycap :-[
I second this!!
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Here is a photo of it on my board from the OG GMK run..
https://imgur.com/g1zUisx
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Post by: IMZO on Wed, 22 July 2020, 20:57:00
Post by: SenseiJia on Wed, 22 July 2020, 21:42:34
Post by: CoolMike on Wed, 22 July 2020, 22:01:31
Sign me up.
Post by: break on Wed, 22 July 2020, 22:31:24
This though, absolutely gorgeous and clean.
Sign me up.
Thanks for kicking around kitting ideas, Mike!
Noice. Classic set returns
awh yis. i'm in for sure :)
FL representtttttt
noice.
very nice, id be interested!
Thank you. More news soon!
I am very into this.
Same here. Also, I’m very into your avatar. Have you ever watched Dune? Imagine a Lynchian Star Wars, but with terrible dialogue. Totally worth your time.
Post by: Tonkatonk on Wed, 22 July 2020, 22:45:11
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Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 23 July 2020, 00:06:36
Post by: break on Thu, 23 July 2020, 00:39:35
stellar color choices here. I kinda feel bad that I bought the DCS kit now. THis one is perfecto!Thanks!🟤
Seoulcialite’s DCS run revived the classic OTD red-on-white aesthetic. I’m hoping to do the same for CP/U9. I’m sure you and others can find room to use both kits.
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Post by: Warrenified on Thu, 23 July 2020, 16:25:41
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 23 July 2020, 21:33:22
Post by: break on Thu, 23 July 2020, 23:37:47
I will also share some novelty ideas after my next GMK Birch update - sometime in the middle of August. Sorry folks, I love Command & Conquer but Nod-themed caps won’t make the cut.
Post by: dallman5 on Fri, 24 July 2020, 08:19:19
I couldn’t leave this up for more than two days without adding the OG Number Kit, so: there is now an OG Number Kit.
Love the inclusion of this kit, but would it be possible to expand it to include backspace, insert, home, pg up, and |\ as well for that full row on TKL/60?
Post by: break on Fri, 24 July 2020, 08:23:55
The row is an homage to the original OTD Red Alert number row, which stopped at +.I couldn’t leave this up for more than two days without adding the OG Number Kit, so: there is now an OG Number Kit.
Love the inclusion of this kit, but would it be possible to expand it to include backspace, insert, home, pg up, and |\ as well for that full row on TKL/60?
I’ll consider it though, it looks great on this TKL.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200724/cf9e301725e72724fc1bda6786f50980.jpg)
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Post by: zekkin on Fri, 24 July 2020, 09:15:04
Post by: JFKroflcopter on Fri, 24 July 2020, 12:19:33
Post by: break on Fri, 24 July 2020, 12:36:02
Yes please. I've been hoping this set would run again. I really like the choice of using P3 for the red this round :thumb:
Me too, so I tried to make it happen. Let's see if it happens!
beige-tan is best girl
Beige? More like bae-ge.
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Fri, 24 July 2020, 12:59:24
Post by: forevermadrigal on Fri, 24 July 2020, 13:06:48
Post by: switchnollie on Fri, 24 July 2020, 13:16:44
I couldn’t leave this up for more than two days without adding the OG Number Kit, so: there is now an OG Number Kit.
Love the inclusion of this kit, but would it be possible to expand it to include backspace, insert, home, pg up, and |\ as well for that full row on TKL/60?
Yeah I'd like to see the stripe go further for TKL like what they you can do with Toxic.
Post by: catamscott on Fri, 24 July 2020, 13:59:45
Post by: SupportGG__ on Fri, 24 July 2020, 14:35:19
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Post by: break on Fri, 24 July 2020, 16:39:12
Gonna need that red number row.
I couldn’t leave this up for more than two days without adding the OG Number Kit, so: there is now an OG Number Kit.
Love the inclusion of this kit, but would it be possible to expand it to include backspace, insert, home, pg up, and |\ as well for that full row on TKL/60?
Yeah I'd like to see the stripe go further for TKL like what they you can do with Toxic.
bought dcs red alert but will still buy this too, looks great. i'd definitely extend the red kit to include backspace/tkl/numpad keys as well though, just looks better (that full stripe is too hot)
I couldn’t leave this up for more than two days without adding the OG Number Kit, so: there is now an OG Number Kit.
Love the inclusion of this kit, but would it be possible to expand it to include backspace, insert, home, pg up, and |\ as well for that full row on TKL/60?
It took me a few hours to decide on this. OG Number Kit added and updated to extend through the standard R1 keys covering up to 1800. Won’t cover alternative layouts (split backspace, Delete/End in R1 etc), sorry folks.
As for an aluminum artisan: I plan to offer one but it will not be white-on-red like the RAMA options for GMK Classic Red (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=107236.0). If you like that design, check out that GB before August 1st!
Post by: Auxo on Fri, 24 July 2020, 22:36:17
Well I’m definitely offering that somehow!I found but lost this pic. Ugh. Which of the 16 different Red Alert ran with this keycap?NE chance of return of Joker keycap :-[
I second this!!
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Here is a photo of it on my board from the OG GMK run..
https://imgur.com/g1zUisx
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**** yes, we're in business boiz
Post by: Daggerfall on Tue, 28 July 2020, 14:08:31
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Post by: westway on Tue, 28 July 2020, 15:52:54
Post by: break on Tue, 28 July 2020, 17:28:13
I'm a simple man: I see R5, I buy.
Same here. R5 is the best.
**** yes, we're in business boiz
Puttin numbers on ya board
Can't afford it, but big props for considering NorDe. So appreciated.
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No promises here but I'll at least consider it!
I'm taking this week off to relax - between this and GMK Birch I'm exhausted. Next steps: novelty kit design and getting renders sorted.
Post by: Little4Real on Tue, 28 July 2020, 17:58:47
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Tue, 28 July 2020, 18:44:33
Any way you could possibly add either icon mods, or even white icon mods with red (P3 hopefully) legends like the original DCS Red Alert set?
Hard to get alt alphas kits run now at 70-80$, alt mods kits go to 100 or more and haven't sold well ever. I wanted classic red alt alphas to be another base (red alphas, w white mods) because of exactly what you'd said.
Warrenified and vendors seem to have picked the right thing tho: there wasnt the volume that classic blue w 2 base kits had, and while alt alphas will be made, they may need extras for the last push.
Post by: westway on Wed, 29 July 2020, 07:20:02
Any way you could possibly add either icon mods, or even white icon mods with red (P3 hopefully) legends like the original DCS Red Alert set?I second this. With icon mods it would look even better IMHO :thumb:
Post by: wholypantalones on Wed, 29 July 2020, 08:31:14
Post by: break on Wed, 29 July 2020, 08:54:13
Any way you could possibly add either icon mods, or even white icon mods with red (P3 hopefully) legends like the original DCS Red Alert set?
Any way you could possibly add either icon mods, or even white icon mods with red (P3 hopefully) legends like the original DCS Red Alert set?I second this. With icon mods it would look even better IMHO :thumb:
This set primarily revives the GMK version of Red Alert, which always runs with text+icon mods.
There also will not be an alt mod or base kit. I’m not looking to run a complex GB, and DCS Red Alert just completed back in April.
Post by: westway on Wed, 29 July 2020, 09:21:47
I imagined it before writing the message, but I tried. I'll buy it anyway :thumb:Any way you could possibly add either icon mods, or even white icon mods with red (P3 hopefully) legends like the original DCS Red Alert set?Any way you could possibly add either icon mods, or even white icon mods with red (P3 hopefully) legends like the original DCS Red Alert set?I second this. With icon mods it would look even better IMHO :thumb:
This set primarily revives the GMK version of Red Alert, which always runs with text+icon mods.
There also will not be an alt mod or base kit. I’m not looking to run a complex GB, and DCS Red Alert just completed back in April.
Post by: break on Wed, 29 July 2020, 09:22:53
I imagined it before writing the message, but I tried. I'll buy it anyway :thumb:Any way you could possibly add either icon mods, or even white icon mods with red (P3 hopefully) legends like the original DCS Red Alert set?Any way you could possibly add either icon mods, or even white icon mods with red (P3 hopefully) legends like the original DCS Red Alert set?I second this. With icon mods it would look even better IMHO :thumb:
This set primarily revives the GMK version of Red Alert, which always runs with text+icon mods.
There also will not be an alt mod or base kit. I’m not looking to run a complex GB, and DCS Red Alert just completed back in April.
Thanks for understanding, and thanks for your support!
Post by: break on Mon, 03 August 2020, 11:47:04
Base kit has been updated to include UK-ISO number row. I think I'm keeping the R3 |\ and R4 >< as-is, sorry UK folks.
OG Number Kit has been updated to support split backspace. It will not support UK-ISO, sorry.
Some folks asked about the second B. It's in base because I don't plan to offer a split/40s module (I don't think demand for this keyset is there). You can use the B + Hiney's OG Spacekeys Round 2 in L9 + U9 (https://hineybush.com/products/gmk-og-spacekeys-r2?variant=32009386557542) to support Alice-style layouts.
I'm working on an Extras Kit which will include a few novelties. I hope you all enjoy them. :) I am also working on aluminum artisans. I hope you enjoy those too!
I know yall know what this keyset looks like, but I'm in queue for kit and board renders now. Once those are done it's GMK quotin' time.
Questions For You All
- Would you like a R0 top row?
- Would you like to see any other kitting changes?
Post by: gnhuy91 on Mon, 03 August 2020, 12:43:04
Post by: huey on Mon, 03 August 2020, 13:57:15
Small niggle though. Having R3 |\ and R4 < > makes UK-ISO incomplete; To fully support UK-ISO R3 would need to become #~ and R4 would be \|. I'm confused as to why you'd add UK specific numrow keys but not have the correct legending across the rest of the set.
Best of luck!
Post by: break on Mon, 03 August 2020, 15:55:20
This IC is looking good chief. Thank you for adding UK-ISO support, it's genuinely appreciated.
Small niggle though. Having R3 |\ and R4 < > makes UK-ISO incomplete; To fully support UK-ISO R3 would need to become #~ and R4 would be \|. I'm confused as to why you'd add UK specific numrow keys but not have the correct legending across the rest of the set.
Best of luck!
Oops, I forgot a few things. I also forgot the R3 @'. Fixed.
Post by: huey on Mon, 03 August 2020, 17:05:33
This IC is looking good chief. Thank you for adding UK-ISO support, it's genuinely appreciated.
Small niggle though. Having R3 |\ and R4 < > makes UK-ISO incomplete; To fully support UK-ISO R3 would need to become #~ and R4 would be \|. I'm confused as to why you'd add UK specific numrow keys but not have the correct legending across the rest of the set.
Best of luck!
Oops, I forgot a few things. I also forgot the R3 @'. Fixed.
muchas gracias amigo
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Mon, 03 August 2020, 17:13:13
Post by: heavyheaded on Mon, 03 August 2020, 22:12:43
Post by: Ensaum on Tue, 04 August 2020, 00:00:38
The number row kit really needs a 1U pipe-backslash to support HHKB/tsangan.
It has one though.
Post by: break on Tue, 04 August 2020, 00:17:54
The number row kit really needs a 1U pipe-backslash to support HHKB/tsangan.
The number row kit really needs a 1U pipe-backslash to support HHKB/tsangan.
It has one though.
Thanks. Yeah, I specifically added it in because I strongly prefer split backspace.
Post by: LightningXI on Tue, 04 August 2020, 04:23:20
Post by: break on Tue, 04 August 2020, 06:23:24
I am against R0 personally. If it is included, I'd prefer it be defaulted to R1 in base and R0 as a separate kit.
Thanks Lightning. I think I’m going to skip it here. It complicates the board’s layout, and I’m not willing to bother fixing that.
So: no R0.
Post by: heavyheaded on Tue, 04 August 2020, 11:30:36
The number row kit really needs a 1U pipe-backslash to support HHKB/tsangan.The number row kit really needs a 1U pipe-backslash to support HHKB/tsangan.
It has one though.
Thanks. Yeah, I specifically added it in because I strongly prefer split backspace.
LOL, yeah I'm a dummy. You already took care of me!
Post by: wholypantalones on Tue, 04 August 2020, 12:02:35
I am against R0 personally. If it is included, I'd prefer it be defaulted to R1 in base and R0 as a separate kit.
Same, keep it in a separate kit please.
Post by: break on Tue, 04 August 2020, 13:03:14
I am against R0 personally. If it is included, I'd prefer it be defaulted to R1 in base and R0 as a separate kit.
Same, keep it in a separate kit please.
No worries here - there will be no R0 for this set.
Post by: gok_nz on Tue, 04 August 2020, 14:20:41
Can't wait.
Post by: break on Wed, 05 August 2020, 09:34:08
I changed the colour of my zenith from moss to halt because of this.
Can't wait.
Oof, when gok is interested in a keyset you're running... :cool:
That said, this is not my keyset. I hope to design something you all would love. On that note, I'll be transparent about my design process so far.
Here's a first look at the novelties I've worked up. I'm working with Cherry to obtain licensing for their classic trademarks now, and you can also see some callbacks to classic set runs.
(https://i.imgur.com/LR8Xkk1.jpg)
pwade asked if I would re-use existing Cherry molds. I don't know! I planned on using the same molds as GMK Denim, and only intended to use these as render representations...but then I started having fun tweaking these. Let me know what you think.
Would you like to see anything else here? Some historically inspired ideas: programming keywords (FORTRAN, C; goto, void, do), classic Cherry design elements, possibly some homages to OTD (the first runners of Red Alert), R4 text mods ("Red," "Alert").
I won’t be designing C&C: Red Alert novelties, because I don’t want to secure licensing and the set is not inspired by the game at all.
Post by: hineybush on Wed, 05 August 2020, 12:53:35
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50040453988_9d4faf3e8e_4k.jpg)
Post by: break on Wed, 05 August 2020, 12:57:52
2-cherry logo best cherry logoShow Image(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50040453988_9d4faf3e8e_4k.jpg)
No vintage logo love eh?
Post by: Auxo on Wed, 05 August 2020, 19:01:19
2-cherry logo best cherry logoShow Image(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50040453988_9d4faf3e8e_4k.jpg)
No vintage logo love eh?
Might agree on this one, looks a bit cleaner with one less cherry :thonk:
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Wed, 05 August 2020, 20:22:01
Will buy 3 cherry caps anyways tho
Post by: break on Wed, 05 August 2020, 21:01:19
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 05 August 2020, 23:07:14
also i don't think novelties really matter for this set since i think most just want the base kit
classic colorways like this don't really need frills to sell imo
Post by: break on Thu, 06 August 2020, 15:41:49
r0 would be a dealbreaker for me
also i don't think novelties really matter for this set since i think most just want the base kit
classic colorways like this don't really need frills to sell imo
I think you're right Puddsy, and in that spirit I've pared back my novelty ideas. This will instead become an Extension Kit, looking something like this
(https://i.imgur.com/K7pfQeV.png)
You'll see some keys here (1u and 1.75u Enter) pulled from the base kit. I'm slimming the 40s support in base down and tossing it in here. There should be enough in here to support Adelie, TMO, etc.
Would love thoughts, as always.
Post by: hineybush on Thu, 06 August 2020, 17:47:10
r0 would be a dealbreaker for me
also i don't think novelties really matter for this set since i think most just want the base kit
classic colorways like this don't really need frills to sell imo
I think you're right Puddsy, and in that spirit I've pared back my novelty ideas. This will instead become an Extension Kit, looking something like thisShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/K7pfQeV.png)
You'll see some keys here (1u and 1.75u Enter) pulled from the base kit. I'm slimming the 40s support in base down and tossing it in here. There should be enough in here to support Adelie, TMO, etc.
Would love thoughts, as always.
7u spacebar in extension kit is a no go
Post by: break on Thu, 06 August 2020, 18:57:27
r0 would be a dealbreaker for me
also i don't think novelties really matter for this set since i think most just want the base kit
classic colorways like this don't really need frills to sell imo
I think you're right Puddsy, and in that spirit I've pared back my novelty ideas. This will instead become an Extension Kit, looking something like thisShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/K7pfQeV.png)
You'll see some keys here (1u and 1.75u Enter) pulled from the base kit. I'm slimming the 40s support in base down and tossing it in here. There should be enough in here to support Adelie, TMO, etc.
Would love thoughts, as always.
7u spacebar in extension kit is a no go
I really should label these, but those are supposed to be two 6u bars - one centered and one off-centered. I wouldn’t stick the Tsangan bar in the Extension Kit.
I’ll double check and fix it if there’s a 7u.
Post by: hineybush on Thu, 06 August 2020, 18:58:19
ahhh okay. that's fine then. i just looked at the pic real quickly.r0 would be a dealbreaker for me
also i don't think novelties really matter for this set since i think most just want the base kit
classic colorways like this don't really need frills to sell imo
I think you're right Puddsy, and in that spirit I've pared back my novelty ideas. This will instead become an Extension Kit, looking something like thisShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/K7pfQeV.png)
You'll see some keys here (1u and 1.75u Enter) pulled from the base kit. I'm slimming the 40s support in base down and tossing it in here. There should be enough in here to support Adelie, TMO, etc.
Would love thoughts, as always.
7u spacebar in extension kit is a no go
I really should label these, but those are supposed to be two 6u bars - one centered and one off-centered. I wouldn’t stick the Tsangan bar in the Extension Kit.
I’ll double check and fix it if there’s a 7u.
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Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 06 August 2020, 20:19:28
r0 would be a dealbreaker for me
also i don't think novelties really matter for this set since i think most just want the base kit
classic colorways like this don't really need frills to sell imo
I think you're right Puddsy, and in that spirit I've pared back my novelty ideas. This will instead become an Extension Kit, looking something like thisShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/K7pfQeV.png)
You'll see some keys here (1u and 1.75u Enter) pulled from the base kit. I'm slimming the 40s support in base down and tossing it in here. There should be enough in here to support Adelie, TMO, etc.
Would love thoughts, as always.
combining extras and spacebars is quite clever since i think a lot of people will specifically want both for this set, i think this is a good kit
my main issue was problems with licensing the cherry logo since that seems like a giant timesink, so i think just red enters would be smarter, or something to that effect
but otherwise thumbs up from me
Post by: break on Thu, 06 August 2020, 20:33:41
r0 would be a dealbreaker for me
also i don't think novelties really matter for this set since i think most just want the base kit
classic colorways like this don't really need frills to sell imo
I think you're right Puddsy, and in that spirit I've pared back my novelty ideas. This will instead become an Extension Kit, looking something like thisShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/K7pfQeV.png)
You'll see some keys here (1u and 1.75u Enter) pulled from the base kit. I'm slimming the 40s support in base down and tossing it in here. There should be enough in here to support Adelie, TMO, etc.
Would love thoughts, as always.
combining extras and spacebars is quite clever since i think a lot of people will specifically want both for this set, i think this is a good kit
my main issue was problems with licensing the cherry logo since that seems like a giant timesink, so i think just red enters would be smarter, or something to that effect
but otherwise thumbs up from me
I think this is the right move too, thanks. I’m working on the Cherry licensing now. :)
Post by: forevermadrigal on Thu, 06 August 2020, 21:05:06
Post by: break on Thu, 06 August 2020, 22:36:53
Cherry rama cap like dolch r5 has would be sick
Hell yeah, that would be incredible.
(https://i.imgur.com/bGMQTB9.jpg)
I am about 85% sure that (1) the new logo looks much better and (2) the new logo looks much worse on the Enter key with the old-style Cherry text logo. So I'm considering spiking those Enter keys. Let me sleep on it.
Post by: hineybush on Thu, 06 August 2020, 22:45:22
Post by: LightningXI on Thu, 06 August 2020, 23:09:08
I like the vintage logo better when juxtaposed with the CHERRY text. Just like on GMK KA 1953.Cherry rama cap like dolch r5 has would be sick
Hell yeah, that would be incredible.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/bGMQTB9.jpg)
I am about 85% sure that (1) the new logo looks much better and (2) the new logo looks much worse on the Enter key with the old-style Cherry text logo. So I'm considering spiking those Enter keys. Let me sleep on it.
I think for this one, though I agree that the modern one looks cleaner on 1u caps, I'd lean towards vintage for the sake of the theme of the set.
Post by: JFKroflcopter on Thu, 06 August 2020, 23:28:27
Post by: JustinMalcontento on Thu, 06 August 2020, 23:57:38
Post by: break on Fri, 07 August 2020, 00:04:59
I like the vintage logo better when juxtaposed with the CHERRY text. Just like on GMK KA 1953.Cherry rama cap like dolch r5 has would be sick
Hell yeah, that would be incredible.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/bGMQTB9.jpg)
I am about 85% sure that (1) the new logo looks much better and (2) the new logo looks much worse on the Enter key with the old-style Cherry text logo. So I'm considering spiking those Enter keys. Let me sleep on it.
I think for this one, though I agree that the modern one looks cleaner on 1u caps, I'd lean towards vintage for the sake of the theme of the set.
Food for thought!
This just keeps getting better and better. At this rate I'll have to buy each kit - can't wait for this :thumb:
Add alt mods to match alphas?
No alt mods or anything like that here - I'm planning on straightforward kitting. Base, OG Number, and Extension - that's it. I totally understand if that's a dealbreaker, I've been there too.
If you'd like pure red-on-white, Seoulcialite ran this exact combo as DCS Red Alert earlier this year. It's DCS, not GMK, but the set looks amazing. You can find pics floating around, and Dixie will have tons of extras soon.
Post by: depletedvespene on Fri, 07 August 2020, 05:49:11
I think you're right Puddsy, and in that spirit I've pared back my novelty ideas. This will instead become an Extension Kit, looking something like thisShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/K7pfQeV.png)
…
Your idea of going with full English (UK) over ISO in the base kit and get full support for English (US) over ISO (terminal style) in the extension kit is actually pretty good.
The only key I'm missing is... Pause. Yes, I know replacing it for Break is your identifying quirk, but having the former available is nevertheless desirable (IMNAAHO). I think it would be a good addition to the extension kit.
P.S.: my wallet is crying again.
Post by: depletedvespene on Fri, 07 August 2020, 05:54:34
Post by: break on Fri, 07 August 2020, 08:15:10
I think you're right Puddsy, and in that spirit I've pared back my novelty ideas. This will instead become an Extension Kit, looking something like thisShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/K7pfQeV.png)
…
Your idea of going with full English (UK) over ISO in the base kit and get full support for English (US) over ISO (terminal style) in the extension kit is actually pretty good.
The only key I'm missing is... Pause. Yes, I know replacing it for Break is your identifying quirk, but having the former available is nevertheless desirable (IMNAAHO). I think it would be a good addition to the extension kit.
P.S.: my wallet is crying again.
Full credit to konstantin (and your great website, honestly) for helping me learn about ISO layouts, and to Jampot for reminding me that, in fact, 6 keys are greater than 2, and moving UK-ISO into base would lower the extension kit cost.
As for “Break,” I’m actually conflicted about keeping it. Haha great designer pun, sure, but I don’t know that it actually fits my goal for this set. I want folks to access a set they’ve been missing for years with standard caps. I’ll think about this.
In an unrelated note, I'm surprised no one has yet mentioned that the numpad has an R2-R3 2U numpad+ key, but not the 1U replacements (R2 - and R3 + (*)) for some systems.
Oops. Still working out my KLE workflow in the absence of a go-to Renderman for this project. I’ve fixed that. Great catch, thanks.
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Fri, 07 August 2020, 13:36:22
Post by: keyosc on Fri, 07 August 2020, 14:40:09
Post by: break on Fri, 07 August 2020, 14:50:58
Man, I love the idea of the Break key—it's a nice subtle signature on this. I totally get why the Pause key is important, though, especially if this is a "restoration" of a historical set. I'm all over the place on this one, so I get it, but hopefully you can offer both!
Keep Break key somewhere. Would love a red Rama cherry.
Thank you both. I'm deciding between keeping it in the base kit or moving it to extension. I'd like to keep it in the GB somewhere, though. :)
Post by: Ensaum on Fri, 07 August 2020, 15:45:20
Post by: break on Fri, 07 August 2020, 15:49:42
You could move 'Break' to the compute kit and have a traditional pause key in the base kit.
Yeah! That's the current idea, although I'll sleep on it before deciding.
Post by: forevermadrigal on Fri, 07 August 2020, 17:00:59
Would you consider adding a single r5 1.5 fn or function key to the extension? That would make it truly endgame (at least for me), but will be picking up every kit regardless and that rama cherry cap if it makes it through :p
Post by: megaforce on Fri, 07 August 2020, 19:01:04
Post by: Furikurichemy on Sat, 08 August 2020, 02:06:41
Hangul add on kit bro
ohhh yeesss +1
Post by: break on Mon, 10 August 2020, 18:19:40
Really happy to offer this set alongside their amazing keyboards, as well as keyset GBs from other amazing folks.
Extension kit is looking fire. I'm glad split spacebars made it in there. Only means I won't be getting them from og spacekeys r2 :cool:
Would you consider adding a single r5 1.5 fn or function key to the extension? That would make it truly endgame (at least for me), but will be picking up every kit regardless and that rama cherry cap if it makes it through :p
I’ll consider it. You’d prefer this over a R5 1.5u Super key?
Hangul add on kit bro
ohhh yeesss +1
No Hangul planned here folks, sorry. I do have another idea you might like...
Post by: forevermadrigal on Thu, 13 August 2020, 00:59:32
Post by: break on Thu, 13 August 2020, 02:14:47
TRMK Caps
Sodie Caps
Prime Caps
Fraktal Caps
will be collaborating with us on GMK Red Alert.
Post by: break on Mon, 17 August 2020, 01:40:35
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/692382324154957915/744554059947835402/image1.png?width=1200&height=1260)
Post by: LightningXI on Mon, 17 August 2020, 01:44:35
Some exciting news: I designed this Salvador, and Alpha Keycaps will run it around GB time. :DShow Image(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/692382324154957915/744554059947835402/image1.png?width=1200&height=1260)
POG
the way to my beige-loving heart
Post by: break on Mon, 17 August 2020, 01:51:50
Some exciting news: I designed this Salvador, and Alpha Keycaps will run it around GB time. :DShow Image(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/692382324154957915/744554059947835402/image1.png?width=1200&height=1260)
POG
the way to my beige-loving heart
Beige all day-ge
Post by: MdotMaxson on Fri, 21 August 2020, 06:52:06
Post by: depletedvespene on Fri, 21 August 2020, 11:19:56
The world weighs on my shoulders, but what am I to do?
Post by: Onnimar on Fri, 21 August 2020, 13:34:26
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 21 August 2020, 15:55:58
- The OP promises 40s support in the base kit, but I don't see any? :D I guess you relegated it to the extension kit.
- Perhaps you intended to use R2 Out, R3 Data for 40s support? But the keys currently in the kit are R3, R4; they need to be R2, R3 for this to work. The R3, R4 keys should be changed back to PgUp, PgDn.
- Didn't this set use to have System instead of Super? Sad to see System go; it paired really well with AltGr. But Super is fine too, I guess.
- Mod-colored `¬ isn't a must, imo.
- R1 Other in the extension kit isn't a must either (unless this is some sort of icon novelty?).
- Maybe it isn't necessary to have both accent and non-accent Cherry Enters.
- The extension kit will need a R3 1.25u key for 40s support. Tab is the most common option.
- I suggest adding the following R4 Shift keys to extension: 1u (ortho & 60% w/ arrows), 2u (60% w/ arrows), 2.25u (660 layouts).
Alternatively, you could add 2.25u Shift to base instead, in which case it will have basic Alice support without needing to get extension, since the second B is also in base. - 1.75u space is an obscure size that's only used by two or three 40% boards (Vortex Core, JD40/45). You'd be better of replacing it with 2× 1u space, which are a must for ortho. 1u space is also useful for Alice boards.
- Accent Break could be moved to extension.
- Changing the second 1.5u Super/System key to Fn is an okay change to make.
Keep it up!
Edit: updated some suggestions
Edit2: more updates
Post by: cdhoffmann on Fri, 21 August 2020, 20:54:03
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Post by: break on Fri, 21 August 2020, 23:40:41
Yes please! Count me in
Just got a board that requires this. I’m in!
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Thanks for joining me. :)
I guess maybe it’s generational. When I hear GMK red alert I immediately think Tesla coils and command and conquer. Or being yelled at by my mother when she found out I’ve been using it to do multiplayer with my next door neighbor for the last three hours and when she picks it up and yells into it our three hour game gets interrupted and we never would find out who wins. Neither of us liked to rush but it was just a matter of time before one of our parents realized we were blocking the phone line. You know back in the days of dial up and no cell phones. Napster. But this is a cool red alert too.
Red Alert is what you make of it.
Some thoughts on the updated kitting:
- The OP promises 40s support in the base kit, but I don't see any? :D I guess you relegated it to the extension kit.
- Perhaps you intended to use R2 Out, R3 Data for 40s support? But the keys currently in the kit are R3, R4; they need to be R2, R3 for this to work. The R3, R4 keys should be changed back to PgUp, PgDn.
- Didn't this set use to have System instead of Super? Sad to see System go; it paired really well with AltGr. But Super is fine too, I guess.
- Mod-colored `¬ isn't a must, imo.
- R1 Other in the extension kit isn't a must either (unless this is some sort of icon novelty?).
- Maybe it isn't necessary to have both accent and non-accent Cherry Enters.
- The extension kit will need a R3 1.25u key for 40s support. Tab is the most common option.
- I suggest adding the following R4 Shift keys to extension: 1u (ortho & 60% w/ arrows), 2u (60% w/ arrows), 2.25u (660 layouts).
Alternatively, you could add 2.25u Shift to base instead, in which case it will have basic Alice support without needing to get extension, since the second B is also in base.- 1.75u space is an obscure size that's only used by two or three 40% boards (Vortex Core, JD40/45). You'd be better of replacing it with 2× 1u space, which are a must for ortho. 1u space is also useful for Alice boards.
- Accent Break could be moved to extension.
- Changing the second 1.5u Super/System key to Fn is an okay change to make.
Keep it up!
Edit: updated some suggestions
Edit2: more updates
Thanks for the thoughtful replies as always, konstantin. I have made a few kit changes but haven’t shared them here. Excuse the crappy renders, my rendering contact is extremely backed up.
Responses for you:
- Correct, I moved 40s to Extension to instead support UK-ISO in base. I will update that.
- I got Out and Data backwards! I’ll fix them in a future update.
- Other was a surprise novelty I have dropped.
- All Cherry enter accents have been dropped for now.
- Will add your recommended Shifts, R3 and spacekeys. Will also drop 1.75u space.
Post by: break on Fri, 21 August 2020, 23:48:03
(https://i.imgur.com/Pmxil79.png)
??
I was inspired by a proposed artisan collaboration (more soon there!), and Tom/tvaro was gracious enough to approve my using the Cyrillic molds he will create for his GMK Cyrillic Beige add-on kit (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104745.0).
Post by: konstantin on Sat, 22 August 2020, 02:45:56
What do you all think of aRedCrimson Cyrillic KitShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/Pmxil79.png)
??
I was inspired by a proposed artisan collaboration (more soon there!), and Tom/tvaro was gracious enough to approve my using the Cyrillic molds he will create for his GMK Cyrillic Beige add-on kit (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104745.0).
Not sure how to put this, but...
YES
Post by: forevermadrigal on Sat, 22 August 2020, 02:52:42
Post by: break on Sat, 22 August 2020, 12:42:30
What do you all think of aRedCrimson Cyrillic KitShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/Pmxil79.png)
??
I was inspired by a proposed artisan collaboration (more soon there!), and Tom/tvaro was gracious enough to approve my using the Cyrillic molds he will create for his GMK Cyrillic Beige add-on kit (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104745.0).
Not sure how to put this, but...
YES
I was honestly most interested in your feedback on this. Happy to hear it. :)
:cool: count me in
LETS GOOOOOO
Post by: jagger27 on Sat, 22 August 2020, 13:26:41
Post by: Alchemist Keyboards on Sun, 23 August 2020, 11:42:50
Post by: dallman5 on Sun, 23 August 2020, 11:45:35
Post by: break on Mon, 24 August 2020, 07:13:57
(https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/GErtoa53qLMrS80jHZAsZDkIbLSghtFE-a8iUgQF3p4/https/media.discordapp.net/attachments/514349407215419394/747370944317620304/image0.jpg)
Post by: udller on Mon, 24 August 2020, 08:12:34
i love red sets.
Post by: hottrout on Mon, 24 August 2020, 12:22:24
Post by: break on Fri, 28 August 2020, 08:07:07
Post by: mech0nly on Sat, 29 August 2020, 06:23:59
Post by: pointer on Sat, 29 August 2020, 18:44:57
What do you all think of aRedCrimson Cyrillic Kit
Perfect! Exactly what I'm looking for. Cant wait for GB
Post by: break on Sat, 29 August 2020, 23:34:06
What do you all think of aRedCrimson Cyrillic Kit
Perfect! Exactly what I'm looking for. Cant wait for GB
Text icon mods + R5?? take my money bruh.
Thank you both!! ♥️
Post by: gnhuy91 on Mon, 31 August 2020, 04:42:10
Post by: snelltrail on Wed, 16 September 2020, 17:23:05
Text icon mods + R5?? take my money bruh.
Yeah this pretty much. Oh and it's beige and there's Cyrillic? Yup I'm DONE. Sign me up.
Hopefully we can get Daily Clack as Oceania vendor.
Post by: break on Wed, 16 September 2020, 17:43:26
Post by: break on Fri, 18 September 2020, 11:53:54
- Moving second B to Extension kit
- Dropping F13 (it was duplicated, oops).
- Deleting second numpad 5, only offering barred.
Does anyone want to see a 00 numpad key?
Aside from quotes, render work continues. We're at the final steps before announcing a bunch of news. :)
Post by: Dafraz117 on Fri, 18 September 2020, 11:55:07
GMK apparently heard I was going on vacation, because they just sent over the first round of quotes. I will adjust the base kit by a couple of keys, but do not plan to remove UK-ISO. Otherwise, render work continues. We're at the final steps before announcing a bunch of news. :)Excited! Have a nice vacation too.
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Post by: break on Fri, 18 September 2020, 12:01:56
GMK apparently heard I was going on vacation, because they just sent over the first round of quotes. I will adjust the base kit by a couple of keys, but do not plan to remove UK-ISO. Otherwise, render work continues. We're at the final steps before announcing a bunch of news. :)Excited! Have a nice vacation too.
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Hey, thank you! Really looking forward to time off. Hope you're well and safe.
Post by: break on Sun, 11 October 2020, 15:57:02
More news very very soon.
Post by: konstantin on Sun, 11 October 2020, 19:44:49
Hi folks! Kitting is finalized in the original post. Take a look and let me know if anything looks ridiculous.
More news very very soon.
Hey there! I had a few thoughts on the updated kits that I'd like to share :)
I would recommend changing Scroll to Scroll↲Lock if you're going the full OG route with the legends. Or, if you don't want to do that, change all of the two-line legends to single-line. Either way, it would be good to have consistency, both visual and synchronistic. As a matter of fact, I would argue that Page↲Up, Page↲Down should be changed to Pg Up, Pg Dn either way because that's how OG sets did it, and because it matches the rest of the legends better visually.
Is the omission of a scooped homing numpad 5 key in base a conscious choice?
I believe that ISO-UK keys are not worth including in base because too few people use them to justify even a $5 increase in the price of the base kit (which is approx. what you're looking at currently). These keys may be better suited for the extension kit. Your call.
I think that Break is a cool novelty to include in base in place of the Pause key, seeing as it's your username, but having it as an extra key in the extension kit sort of misses the point, imo. I would either change Pause to Break in base, or remove the key from extension altogether.
The extension kit is crucially missing R5 1u Lower, Raise, 2× 1u space and R4 1u Shift keys needed for 40% ortho boards.
The lack of Shift could be worked around by changing the R4 1u End key in base to Data as described in this post (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=108877.msg2964803#msg2964803) (although in that case I would actually also change the R4 1u Enter in the extension kit to Shift).
I recommend removing 1.75u space from the extension kit because the few 40% boards that use it are not very common or popular. You seem to be going for basic, albeit solid 40% support here, and there are more important 40% keys (such as those listed above) that could be included instead of 1.75u space.
The extension kit will also need a R5 1u Alt key to pair with the two 1.5u Supers. Otherwise, these won't really be usable.
Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see the point behind the R5 1u Cherry icon key? Not only that, but this key would also require a new mold to be created because R1–R4 1u molds can't be reused on R0 and R5, and I doubt that GMK has a R5 Cherry icon mold. I suggest removing this key.
I think there were a few more things that I wanted to mention, but they're evading me at the moment. I'll add them later if they come back to me :)
Post by: wholypantalones on Sun, 11 October 2020, 21:18:25
Quote
I would recommend changing Scroll to Scroll↲Lock if you're going the full OG route with the legends. Or, if you don't want to do that, change all of the two-line legends to single-line. Either way, it would be good to have consistency, both visual and synchronistic. As a matter of fact, I would argue that Page↲Up, Page↲Down should be changed to Pg Up, Pg Dn either way because that's how OG sets did it, and because it matches the rest of the legends better visually.
I agree with this statement and the R5 cherry icon. Having one line print, scroll and pause just visually looks odd with the num lock and the page up page down. Plus the led caps are double line in the renders.
Post by: hottrout on Mon, 12 October 2020, 07:42:31
Post by: Tonkatonk on Mon, 12 October 2020, 17:56:24
Hangul add on kit bro
My man's megaforce always with the great ideas :3
Post by: LightningXI on Tue, 13 October 2020, 02:39:44
Post by: Pluto19 on Tue, 13 October 2020, 03:01:34
Also, Out and Read kind of a waste and ruin it for 65% users.
Post by: LightningXI on Tue, 13 October 2020, 08:24:21
Seconding Lightning's point to include two (2) R5 Cherry keys in place of both Supers.
Also, Out and Read kind of a waste and ruin it for 65% users.
Now that Pluto mentions it, I agree. A 65%/75% right-side column would normally be:
R1 Home
R2 Pg Up
R3 Pg Dn
R4 End
(R5 right arrow key)
and I believe the Pg Up and Pg Dn keys are not being included at the moment with the current base kit. Is this a mistake? In any case, this is not how it should be if the R4 End is to be offered. Forcing a "novelty" such as Data and Out is a no-no, IMO. It's not cool. Put those in the Extension kit, or rid of them; that would be my move.
Post by: konstantin on Tue, 13 October 2020, 09:17:08
Seconding Lightning's point to include two (2) R5 Cherry keys in place of both Supers.
Also, Out and Read kind of a waste and ruin it for 65% users.
Now that Pluto mentions it, I agree. A 65%/75% right-side column would normally be:
R1 Home
R2 Pg Up
R3 Pg Dn
R4 End
(R5 right arrow key)
and I believe the Pg Up and Pg Dn keys are not being included at the moment with the current base kit. Is this a mistake? In any case, this is not how it should be if the R4 End is to be offered. Forcing a "novelty" such as Data and Out is a no-no, IMO. It's not cool. Put those in the Extension kit, or rid of them; that would be my move.
It's not a mistake, it's by design. This post (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=108877.msg2964803#msg2964803) outlines the reasoning behind this particular legend choice.
Changing those keys back to R2 PgUp, R3 PgDn and adding two extra keys for ortho boards to the extension kit would be the “default” move, and it's totally fine if that's what people prefer. The only thing is that a balance needs to be struck between satisfying 65%/75% users (they are among the most popular layouts in the community, after all) on the one hand, and not making the extension kit too large on the other.
Also, the right column setup you posted has lost favor over the years (especially in recent times), and is no longer the de facto standard setup, and maybe not even statistically the most popular setup in the community anymore.
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US - Mechs & Co
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I'm very excited to work with the Mechs & Co team to bring this set to you all - they are a stand-up group of people committed to serving their customers and supporting designers.
You all can expect more news soon on deskmats, aluminum artisans, and finally kit pricing.
Post by: Wilba on Fri, 16 October 2020, 06:19:54
Changing those keys back to R2 PgUp, R3 PgDn and adding two extra keys for ortho boards to the extension kit would be the “default” move, and it's totally fine if that's what people prefer. The only thing is that a balance needs to be struck between satisfying 65%/75% users (they are among the most popular layouts in the community, after all) on the one hand, and not making the extension kit too large on the other.
It's taken years for Home/PgUp/PgDn/End to be a somewhat standard of minimal 65% support in base kits. It may not be what every 65% user prefers, or uses on those keys, but at least it's what 65% users expect in a base kit, and won't complain about if that's all there is.
Seriously, what does "Out" and "Data" mean anyway? Why are they any more meaninful for an ortholinear user than "PgUp" and "PgDn"? Do they really need something meaningless to remember those keys aren't acutally PgUp or PgDn?
If this was a set I didn't care about, I wouldn't bother posting at all, but this is Red Alert, something I've wanted for a while, and the first image in the first post being used to promote the set is the keyboard I worked on, showing Home/PgUp/PgDn/End as per the de facto standard.
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725435232743850084/734035679440273418/image0.png)
Post by: ttom on Fri, 16 October 2020, 06:33:41
Also regarding the extension kit, I'd recommend adding another R5 Cherry and changing the 1.75 bar to a single 1.00u one (for Alice layouts). 3.00u is welcome too but not essential in my opinion.
Post by: break on Fri, 16 October 2020, 08:15:51
Changing those keys back to R2 PgUp, R3 PgDn and adding two extra keys for ortho boards to the extension kit would be the “default” move, and it's totally fine if that's what people prefer. The only thing is that a balance needs to be struck between satisfying 65%/75% users (they are among the most popular layouts in the community, after all) on the one hand, and not making the extension kit too large on the other.
It's taken years for Home/PgUp/PgDn/End to be a somewhat standard of minimal 65% support in base kits. It may not be what every 65% user prefers, or uses on those keys, but at least it's what 65% users expect in a base kit, and won't complain about if that's all there is.
Seriously, what does "Out" and "Data" mean anyway? Why are they any more meaninful for an ortholinear user than "PgUp" and "PgDn"? Do they really need something meaningless to remember those keys aren't acutally PgUp or PgDn?
If this was a set I didn't care about, I wouldn't bother posting at all, but this is Red Alert, something I've wanted for a while, and the first image in the first post being used to promote the set is the keyboard I worked on, showing Home/PgUp/PgDn/End as per the de facto standard.Show Image(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725435232743850084/734035679440273418/image0.png)
Not a 65% user (as of now) but just posting because I am very much looking forward to this and share the sentiment about 'Out' and 'Data' looking a bit silly.
Also regarding the extension kit, I'd recommend adding another R5 Cherry and changing the 1.75 bar to a single 1.00u one (for Alice layouts). 3.00u is welcome too but not essential in my opinion.
I apologize for being quiet on this issue, as I wanted to collect a bit more info on 40s users needs. That said, I plan to move Out and Data to the Extension kit (which 40s users require anyway), and restore the Page Up / Page Down legends for 65% users.
I added "Out" and "Data" months ago with the intention of offering an omnibus base kit - with nice 40s and split space support - in lieu of an Extension kit. Now that we have an Extension kit, though, I'll use it.
The other changes I'm currently considering:
Replace 1.75u space with 2x 1u space.
People need these for Alice boards and ortho boards. People do not typically use 1.75u space. Easy.
Drop R5 Cherry.
Don't love the placement of this, and now I want to minimize the cost of the extension kit.
"Scroll" remaining as-is.
I went this route because I really like the fully-spelled "Page Up" and "Page Down" of GMK ASCII and GMK Nuclear Data. To offer OG-style legends, I would have to change Print to PrtSc, which I do not love. So Print, Scroll and Pause will remain as-is in row 1 for visual consistency.
Post by: LightningXI on Fri, 16 October 2020, 08:45:44
Too bad about the 2x 1u R5 Cherry caps. Those would have been the first time we see bottom-row Cherry caps in beige again since BSP/Hammer did it.
And the first time in doubleshot form for GMK.
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 16 October 2020, 08:49:15
It's taken years for Home/PgUp/PgDn/End to be a somewhat standard of minimal 65% support in base kits. It may not be what every 65% user prefers, or uses on those keys, but at least it's what 65% users expect in a base kit, and won't complain about if that's all there is.
Just going off of what we've been seeing in various ICs and sets over the past year, the last part is not correct. Hence:
Also, the right column setup you posted has lost favor over the years (especially in recent times), and is no longer the de facto standard setup, and maybe not even statistically the most popular setup in the community anymore.
Edit: Just to be clear, I'm not saying that R2 Out, R3 Data shouldn't be changed to R2 PgUp, R3 PgDn; that change is totally fine and I support it. What I'm saying is that, relatively speaking, Home/PgUp/PgDn/End isn't as popular as it used to be, and calling it a de facto standard setup nowadays is questionable.
Post by: wholypantalones on Fri, 16 October 2020, 08:52:13
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 16 October 2020, 08:54:55
The two line scroll lock led cap doesn't maintain your visual consistency I'm afraid.
Additionally, single-line Scroll also conflicts with two-line Num↲Lock and stepped Caps↲Lock (or vice-versa).
Post by: break on Fri, 16 October 2020, 09:12:44
The two line scroll lock led cap doesn't maintain your visual consistency I'm afraid.
I'm embarrassed - I gave too much thought to Base and not enough to Extension. Thanks for catching this - I'll update the Extension kit.
The two line scroll lock led cap doesn't maintain your visual consistency I'm afraid.
Additionally, single-line Scroll also conflicts with two-line Num↲Lock and stepped Caps↲Lock (or vice-versa).
Apologies for not being precise here - I was thinking of top-row consistency. Num Lock and Caps Lock sit on different rows than Scroll Lock.
Post by: Wilba on Fri, 16 October 2020, 09:57:31
It's taken years for Home/PgUp/PgDn/End to be a somewhat standard of minimal 65% support in base kits. It may not be what every 65% user prefers, or uses on those keys, but at least it's what 65% users expect in a base kit, and won't complain about if that's all there is.
Just going off of what we've been seeing in various ICs and sets over the past year, the last part is not correct. Hence:Also, the right column setup you posted has lost favor over the years (especially in recent times), and is no longer the de facto standard setup, and maybe not even statistically the most popular setup in the community anymore.
Edit: Just to be clear, I'm not saying that R2 Out, R3 Data shouldn't be changed to R2 PgUp, R3 PgDn; that change is totally fine and I support it. What I'm saying is that, relatively speaking, Home/PgUp/PgDn/End isn't as popular as it used to be, and calling it a de facto standard setup nowadays is questionable.
Just going off the GMK sets running right now, 8 out of 9 have Home/PgUp/PgDn/End in the base kit. 15/15 of the last GMK sets to run have Home/PgUp/PgDn/End.
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 16 October 2020, 10:38:06
It's taken years for Home/PgUp/PgDn/End to be a somewhat standard of minimal 65% support in base kits. It may not be what every 65% user prefers, or uses on those keys, but at least it's what 65% users expect in a base kit, and won't complain about if that's all there is.
Just going off of what we've been seeing in various ICs and sets over the past year, the last part is not correct. Hence:Also, the right column setup you posted has lost favor over the years (especially in recent times), and is no longer the de facto standard setup, and maybe not even statistically the most popular setup in the community anymore.
Edit: Just to be clear, I'm not saying that R2 Out, R3 Data shouldn't be changed to R2 PgUp, R3 PgDn; that change is totally fine and I support it. What I'm saying is that, relatively speaking, Home/PgUp/PgDn/End isn't as popular as it used to be, and calling it a de facto standard setup nowadays is questionable.
Just going off the GMK sets running right now, 8 out of 9 have Home/PgUp/PgDn/End in the base kit. 15/15 of the last GMK sets to run have Home/PgUp/PgDn/End.
Of course they do, that's besides the point. Out of those sets, 7/9 and 12/15, respectively, also have */*/PgUp/PgDn, which is the other popular configuration. People complain if this configuration isn't also supported, which was part of the point of my previous post.
The other part was that Home/PgUp/PgDn/End has lost its foothold over time and can no longer definitively be called the de facto standard or the setup that's preferred by the majority of users. This is for a number of reasons, among others the popularity of the Drop ALT introducing people into the hobby, and the popularity of 65% boards with badges or blockers in the top right corner.
Post by: LightningXI on Fri, 16 October 2020, 10:42:34
It seems absurd to me that you are arguing semantics over here when it's apparent that the majority of sets have gotten to support the right column support that most have gotten used to. I have dozens of sets to prove it. There's renders of each set on the github website that matrixzj and others compiled.
Do you use a 65%? Do you purchase each one of these sets that you so fervently provide commentary of?
There are far fewer 65% boards with corner blockers, too, than there are standard ones.
Post by: Wilba on Fri, 16 October 2020, 11:00:37
How many of these sets do you even buy, anyhow?
It seems absurd to me that you are arguing semantics over here when it's apparent that the majority of sets have gotten to support the right column support that most have gotten used to. I have dozens of sets to prove it. There's renders of each set on the github website that matrixzj and others compiled.
Do you use a 65%? Do you purchase each one of these sets that you so fervently provide commentary of?
There are far fewer 65% boards with corner blockers, too, than there are standard ones.
Yes.
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 16 October 2020, 11:02:20
How many of these sets do you even buy, anyhow?
It seems absurd to me that you are arguing semantics over here when it's apparent that the majority of sets have gotten to support the right column support that most have gotten used to. I have dozens of sets to prove it. There's renders of each set on the github website that matrixzj and others compiled.
Do you use a 65%? Do you purchase these sets that you so fervently provide commentary of?
There are far fewer 65% boards with corner blockers, too, than there are standard ones.
It is indisputable that the majority of sets in the past have gotten to support that right column (and new sets still continue to do so), but one also has to keep in mind that the needs and preferences of the community as a whole change and evolve over time. Keysets are playing the catch up game here, and it takes time for the status quo to shift. Case in point: F13, Alice keys, small spacekeys, Mac bottom row keys, different 65% right column setups, and so on. The rise in popularity of these things is also something that's indisputable, and can be inferred by taking a look at kit renders on the site you mentioned.
To answer your questions, yes and yes.
What are we even arguing about here?
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 16 October 2020, 14:02:59
- R1 Home, R2 Page Up, R3 Page Down, R4 End are OK, commonly used and have become a standard de facto that we can trace back to the very firsts 65% and 75% keyboards.
- If we are going with generics: fully commit and do the whole 65% strip generic. Having two navigation keys and two generics is jarring.
- If you are including an Alt Gr key on the base kit, include the tertiary legends for the UK ISO layout.
- If we are trying to be faithful to the original GMK set, it used broken pipe keys (¦), which I personally like more. There are other subtle differences with that one but I don't mind them.
(https://matrixzj.github.io/assets/images/gmk-keycaps/redalert/rendering_pics/1.jpg)
Post by: break on Fri, 16 October 2020, 14:35:29
Show Image(https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/standards.png)
- R1 Home, R2 Page Up, R3 Page Down, R4 End are OK, commonly used and have become a standard de facto that we can trace back to the very firsts 65% and 75% keyboards.
- If we are going with generics: fully commit and do the whole 65% strip generic. Having two navigation keys and two generics is jarring.
- If you are including an Alt Gr key on the base kit, include the tertiary legends for the UK ISO layout.
- If we are trying to be faithful to the original GMK set, it used broken pipe keys (¦), which I personally like more. There are other subtle differences with that one but I don't mind them.Show Image(https://matrixzj.github.io/assets/images/gmk-keycaps/redalert/rendering_pics/1.jpg)
Great point, Zambumon - I forgot my original intention to reference Photekq's legends from the 2012 GMK release (the reason I kept the numpad sub-legends). The Olivetti base kit is below; the RA kitting is the same (https://matrixzj.github.io/docs/gmk-keycaps/Red-Alert/), but I can't find a higher-quality image (the RA kit pic is dead on Photekq's thread).
(http://precision-buys.com/images/oli.jpg)
I'm considering two things
- matching these legends 1:1, and
- whether different pipes (broken in base, solid in Cyrillic) bother me enough to go for set consistency over historical accuracy
So I'm doing my day job thing, but promise you all an update on this over the weekend.
Post by: ttom on Fri, 16 October 2020, 17:23:41
I'm considering two things
- matching these legends 1:1, and
- whether different pipes (broken in base, solid in Cyrillic) bother me enough to go for set consistency over historical accuracy
There's been a lot of discussion about the rest of the set so I won't comment any more on that, but regarding that last point there's nothing stopping you making a broken bar mould for Cyrillic. The one I'm making will be full, but having more options for a language won't hurt by any means, and over an MOQ of 100 orders that cost for 1 mould is so minimal it won't make too much of a difference.
Post by: break on Fri, 16 October 2020, 18:32:08
I'm considering two things
- matching these legends 1:1, and
- whether different pipes (broken in base, solid in Cyrillic) bother me enough to go for set consistency over historical accuracy
There's been a lot of discussion about the rest of the set so I won't comment any more on that, but regarding that last point there's nothing stopping you making a broken bar mould for Cyrillic. The one I'm making will be full, but having more options for a language won't hurt by any means, and over an MOQ of 100 orders that cost for 1 mould is so minimal it won't make too much of a difference.
Great call Tom.
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 16 October 2020, 20:02:55
- If you are including an Alt Gr key on the base kit, include the tertiary legends for the UK ISO layout.
- If we are trying to be faithful to the original GMK set, it used broken pipe keys (¦), which I personally like more. There are other subtle differences with that one but I don't mind them.
Unfortunately, these two things do not go together. The `¬¦ key has a ¦ tertiary legend, which would conflict with the ¦ on the \¦ keys since these positions produce different characters.
You could do `¬|, but:
- I'm not sure if that mold exists (it might); and
- you would be misrepresenting how both of those keys work on modern systems.
I agree with adding sublegends to the UK keys, but at that point it's 5 extra keys (because of the additional 4$€) in base that honestly benefit only a very small number of people. According to some community stats (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vyY5EjTfzo6YXp_xwQYN_ffcoB0fXdNl8nc0WDteobs/edit?usp=sharing) from earlier this year, people who use ISO-UK keys only make up around 2.6% of all users (about 40% of UK users use ANSI). I think you'd get more mileage out of putting any of the following keys: 2.25u Shift, 1.5u Super keys, F13, spacekeys; in base instead of those keys.
I'd like to reiterate that ISO-UK keys should be moved to the extension kit — in which case, sure, the tertiary legends should be added.
I would recommend going with \| (and optionally `¬¦) instead of \¦, for purely practical reasons and for consistency. However, it has to be said that both the original DCS Red Alert set and the first GMK Red Alert run used \¦, so if you're looking to pay homage to those sets (which it seems you are), then you may want to go with that.
Then again, this is a new set with new colors and new kitting, so I think that new, more modern/accurate legends wouldn't be bad, either :)
Edit: Here's a fun video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BktIY7VbrUs) from Nostalgia Nerd that covers the topic of | vs ¦ in detail.
Post by: break on Sun, 25 October 2020, 17:24:03
Here’s what I propose, after spending time thinking about the above discussion:
Use broken bar on UK-ISO `, but not 1.5u |\.
This seems like the most historically consistent approach, given the presence of UK-ISO in the base kit. The broken vertical legend on R2 is an interesting historical artifact, but will take this opportunity to offer a solid bar in that position instead.
Add 4$€ to base kit.
This preserves consistency with Alt Gr and other recent kits (Nuke Data, Dolch) offering UK-ISO support in base.
Replace 1.75u Space with 2x 1u space in Extension.
This adds some more support for split and 40s layouts.
Add second R5 Cherry to Extension.
These are generally useful, and provide nice alternatives to 1u Super/Ctrl/Alt in R5. You can also add them to OG sets for a pop of color. Ortho users can also rely on these for layers.
Scroll legend remains as-is, and will be fixed in Extension.
I prefer single line consistency in this section of my TKL, so that’s what I’ll offer.
Curious for thoughts around the 2nd 1u spacebar and 2nd R5 Cherry, but I feel as though folks interested in this set will appreciate these changes, since it runs so infrequently.
Post by: LightningXI on Sun, 25 October 2020, 17:31:36
Apologies for not responding sooner, it has been a hectic time at work. I expect to slow down in activity through the end of 2020 as work continues picking up, but do not anticipate delaying either of my group buys.
Here’s what I propose, after spending time thinking about the above discussion:
Use broken bar on UK-ISO `, but not 1.5u |\.
This seems like the most historically consistent approach, given the presence of UK-ISO in the base kit. The broken vertical legend on R2 is an interesting historical artifact, but will take this opportunity to offer a solid bar in that position instead.
Add 4$€ to base kit.
This preserves consistency with Alt Gr and other recent kits (Nuke Data, Dolch) offering UK-ISO support in base.
Replace 1.75u Space with 2x 1u space in Extension.
This adds some more support for split and 40s layouts.
Add second R5 Cherry to Extension.
These are generally useful, and provide nice alternatives to 1u Super/Ctrl/Alt in R5. You can also add them to OG sets for a pop of color. Ortho users can also rely on these for layers.
Scroll legend remains as-is, and will be fixed in Extension.
I prefer single line consistency in this section of my TKL, so that’s what I’ll offer.
Curious for thoughts around the 2nd 1u spacebar and 2nd R5 Cherry, but I feel as though folks interested in this set will appreciate these changes, since it runs so infrequently.
I like all of these changes, personally!!!
The second R5 Cherry is a godsend.
Post by: break on Sun, 25 October 2020, 18:33:12
I like all of these changes, personally!!!
The second R5 Cherry is a godsend.
Thanks man! The changes will bump the price a little bit, but I feel as though people will be happy on net with what their extra couple of $/€/£/¥ provides them. Especially the 2x🍒.
Post by: depletedvespene on Tue, 03 November 2020, 19:42:56
What I'm saying is that, relatively speaking, Home/PgUp/PgDn/End isn't as popular as it used to be, and calling it a de facto standard setup nowadays is questionable.
I strongly disagree with this sentiment. Respect the HUDE. :mad: ;D
Post by: depletedvespene on Tue, 03 November 2020, 19:51:53
Curious for thoughts around the 2nd 1u spacebar and 2nd R5 Cherry, but I feel as though folks interested in this set will appreciate these changes, since it runs so infrequently.
Yes to both, specially the 2nd Cherry keycap — it'll allow placing Cherry novelties without looking out of place, as Super/Win/Lose replacements (and, actually, same goes for the 1U space bars, to get the "unbranded" look).
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Post by: break on Mon, 23 November 2020, 09:24:26
Next up: deskmats and banderole!
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Post by: break on Tue, 24 November 2020, 09:58:03
Is it too late now to add in an "F13" key?
Nope! It’s in the extension kit.
Post by: break on Mon, 30 November 2020, 21:03:58
Thanks to help from Pwner I've confirmed the set has run with both CP and U9 accent legends in the past. I'll leave everything as-is here - the U9-on-P3 legends will lack contrast, and the OG numrow will look too muddled.
Post by: LightningXI on Mon, 30 November 2020, 23:31:51
I’ve been turning this question over in my head for a few days, after seeing some conflicting pictures: do prior versions of GMK Red Alert have U9 or CP legends on the accents? Have seen both pictures and renders suggesting both, and I cannot access a set myself to confirm.
Thanks to help from Pwner I've confirmed the set has run with both CP and U9 accent legends in the past. I'll leave everything as-is here - the U9-on-P3 legends will lack contrast, and the OG numrow will look too muddled.
:thumb:
Still very amped about this set
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Post by: bliss on Thu, 03 December 2020, 15:33:30
Add second R5 Cherry to Extension.
These are generally useful, and provide nice alternatives to 1u Super/Ctrl/Alt in R5. You can also add them to OG sets for a pop of color. Ortho users can also rely on these for layers.
^ +1 That will be awesome, I was looking for a way to fill the bottom row of a win-keyed 1800 that requires 7x 1u other than getting two Extension kits ;)
Absolutely love P3, numpad sublegends, R5, Cyrillic, the inclusion of a 6.00 w/ offset, and of course the Cherry novelties.
Thanks for bringing this, very tempted!
Post by: LightningXI on Thu, 03 December 2020, 16:10:23
Might wanna add an extra b in that cyrillics kit
Oh yeah this is a good suggestion
Post by: break on Fri, 04 December 2020, 10:31:47
First, a laundry list of kitting changes
- a second B has been added to the Cyrillic kit (thanks for the suggestion!
- a second R5 Cherry has been added to the Classic Compute set
- the 1.75u spacebar has been replaced with 2x 1u spacebars
- an ISO-UK 4$€ has been added to the base kit
- using a broken bar on UK-ISO `, but not 1.5u |\
The "Out" and "Data" changes will happen, I just forgot to request them in the last round of renders. Keep an eye out for them.
Second, I am thrilled to share the two aluminum caps we will offer in collaboration with RAMA. Huge thanks to a handful of people for making this happen:
- Cherry sales and marketing teams, for being extremely patient while I fumble my way through seeking approval for these
- Oblotzky for discussing the aluminum artisan collab process for GMK Dolch R5
- the Mechs & Co team for coordinating with both GMK and Cherry
- Lightning for discussing possible designs
- Kate at Rama Works, who (as most of you other designers know) has legendary levels of patience
- my wife, who developed very strong opinions about vintage computing logos during all of this
The caps:
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/687369503532908575/784455227222917120/RW-GMK_REDAL_R.3.png?width=954&height=954)
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/687369503532908575/784455231140003860/RW-GMK_REDAL_R.5.png?width=954&height=954)
Post by: LightningXI on Fri, 04 December 2020, 10:35:37
Hi everyone! It's time for an update on GMK Red Alert.
First, a laundry list of kitting changes
- a second B has been added to the Cyrillic kit (thanks for the suggestion!
- a second R5 Cherry has been added to the Classic Compute set
- the 1.75u spacebar has been replaced with 2x 1u spacebars
- an ISO-UK 4$€ has been added to the base kit
- using a broken bar on UK-ISO `, but not 1.5u |\
The "Out" and "Data" changes will happen, I just forgot to request them in the last round of renders. Keep an eye out for them.
Second, I am thrilled to share the two aluminum caps we will offer in collaboration with RAMA. Huge thanks to a handful of people for making this happen:
- Cherry sales and marketing teams, for being extremely patient while I fumble my way through seeking approval for these
- Oblotzky for discussing the aluminum artisan collab process for GMK Dolch R5
- the Mechs & Co team for coordinating with both GMK and Cherry
- Lightning for discussing possible designs
- Kate at Rama Works, who (as most of you other designers know) has legendary levels of patience
- my wife, who developed very strong opinions about vintage computing logos during all of this
The caps:Show Image(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/687369503532908575/784455227222917120/RW-GMK_REDAL_R.3.png?width=954&height=954)Show Image(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/687369503532908575/784455231140003860/RW-GMK_REDAL_R.5.png?width=954&height=954)
wife MVP
I am beyond excited for this set!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: break on Fri, 04 December 2020, 10:49:11
wife MVP
I am beyond excited for this set!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Showed this to her and she's really feeling your hype :D She also agreed with Hiney that two cherry logo >> three cherry logo.
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2021 the year of the classic reruns
Seriously, right? Lots of good classics coming back, and that doesn't count Serika right now.
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Post by: depletedvespene on Fri, 04 December 2020, 12:06:20
Sorry but why the extra tab in the cyrillic kit?
The base kit + Cyrillics kit produces enough "extra keys" to populate a 60% keyboard (... except for the Tab, which is why it's been added to the latter).
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Post by: break on Tue, 15 December 2020, 14:39:29
- Out and Data have been moved to Classic Compute Kit, providing some flexible 40s support.
- R3 Page Up and R4 Page Down have been restored to the Base Kit.
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Post by: fantasyrunner on Sun, 20 December 2020, 02:53:52
Post by: yur1orlov on Mon, 21 December 2020, 10:00:50
Post by: break on Mon, 25 January 2021, 10:44:54
GMK Red Alert will be available for pre-order from March 5th to April 9th, 2021 on Mechs & Co and other regional vendors.
Post by: DERBS on Mon, 25 January 2021, 15:00:47
Post by: break on Mon, 25 January 2021, 15:27:26
Obligatory: N E 3u bars Avail?
I won't be offering them, but Hiney ran a spacebars GB not too long ago. Extras will be available, and the kits include 3u.
Post by: break on Mon, 25 January 2021, 21:02:36
I have had zero (0, nil, zip, nada) luck collecting any of their designs, but both produce amazing art. I'm thrilled to see what they offer in these classic colors, and hope you're excited as I am about these collabs.
Post by: break on Tue, 26 January 2021, 10:27:37
Jae & Prototypist have agreed to serve as the UK vendor for GMK Red Alert! Really happy to get this set to my friends in the UK without insane shipping fees.
Post by: thor_r on Tue, 26 January 2021, 11:26:43
Post by: UnicornCables on Tue, 26 January 2021, 13:03:24
Post by: CosminOance on Tue, 26 January 2021, 13:12:31
Post by: azzipa on Wed, 27 January 2021, 07:44:05
Edit: nm, just saw red alert faqs on your discord... all kits locked :thumb:
Post by: break on Wed, 27 January 2021, 13:57:58
Too late to think about adding an Esc key to the OG Numbers Kit? I was thinking how that set could mix-n-match with quite a few others.
Edit: nm, just saw red alert faqs on your discord... all kits locked :thumb:
Oh that's interesting! You're interested in the OG Numbers kit solo, without purchasing the Base kit? That hadn't even occurred to me.
Yes unfortunately kitting is now locked. At the risk of being thrown out of all keyset design discussions, may I suggest using Delete instead?
No? Hello? Anyone here?
Post by: azzipa on Wed, 27 January 2021, 16:05:37
may I suggest using Delete instead?
Post by: break on Tue, 09 February 2021, 13:24:42
Otherwise finally getting around to more renders, which I hope you all will love.
Post by: Que7797 on Tue, 09 February 2021, 14:14:20
Post by: break on Tue, 09 February 2021, 16:08:44
How am I just seeing this now? lmao
I don't know! I've been bumping it regularly!! But happy to have you here regardless. :D
Post by: break on Wed, 10 February 2021, 11:25:41
GMK replied within a few hours of my quote request. They are working with Tom (runner of GMK Cyrillic Beige & WoB) and me on a plan where GMK covers the cost of Cyrillic doubleshot molds. No concrete details yet (and I definitely do not have updated quotes), but this should keep the cost of the Crimson Cyrillic kit down.
Post by: HappyB0T on Wed, 10 February 2021, 11:57:00
Post by: break on Wed, 10 February 2021, 12:34:29
I have this red NK65 and been waiting for a red set to show up. Thank you for that. Not a request but just a selfish comment -> It would be really cool to have a red SB. I'm gonna pick this up 4sure.
Glad you like this set!
I personally love the set’s clean, beige look and will be limiting accents to what you see in the kitting. Kitting is basically locked right now unless you see an egregious error of some kind.
Post by: break on Mon, 15 February 2021, 23:16:25
(https://i.imgur.com/n9DZm8c.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/RjWQKW4.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/IWqXBYL.jpg)
Post by: soloplayer on Tue, 16 February 2021, 00:00:03
edit: it's too late to reconsider it now i think :-[ tho very interested in buying :thumb:
Post by: break on Tue, 16 February 2021, 09:41:39
please consider R0 top row! many thanks :thumb:
edit: it's too late to reconsider it now i think :-[ tho very interested in buying :thumb:
Your edit is unfortunately correct, sorry. But I’m hoping you’ll be happy with the set regardless!!
Post by: sup3r170va on Tue, 16 February 2021, 23:50:36
Hope the pricing is good.
One question on colours - is it OG in that it’s U9/L9 (like 9009 or KA1953 etc) or is it U9/CP like the first post alludes to (but did not quite confirm)? Thanks!
Post by: LightningXI on Wed, 17 February 2021, 09:37:00
Very interesting set. I’m not sure if I would do base + Cyrillic or just Cyrillic :)U9/L9. Basically normal OG beige colors with red legends and accents.
Hope the pricing is good.
One question on colours - is it OG in that it’s U9/L9 (like 9009 or KA1953 etc) or is it U9/CP like the first post alludes to (but did not quite confirm)? Thanks!
Post by: break on Wed, 17 February 2021, 10:32:32
Very interesting set. I’m not sure if I would do base + Cyrillic or just Cyrillic :)
Hope the pricing is good.
One question on colours - is it OG in that it’s U9/L9 (like 9009 or KA1953 etc) or is it U9/CP like the first post alludes to (but did not quite confirm)? Thanks!
Very interesting set. I’m not sure if I would do base + Cyrillic or just Cyrillic :)U9/L9. Basically normal OG beige colors with red legends and accents.
Hope the pricing is good.
One question on colours - is it OG in that it’s U9/L9 (like 9009 or KA1953 etc) or is it U9/CP like the first post alludes to (but did not quite confirm)? Thanks!
I should clarify this, because it's buried in the initial post: the set has actually run as CP alphas and U9 modifiers in past times. That's what I plan to use here.
From the OP:
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The CP/U9 version of this set has not run since 2015, and I’d like to help make this set available to a new wave of keeb fans (including myself).
All renders have all been created with CP and U9 is mind, so what you see there is what you'll get.
Post by: sup3r170va on Wed, 17 February 2021, 10:59:17
Post by: actress on Thu, 18 February 2021, 19:12:36
Post by: break on Thu, 18 February 2021, 20:29:15
Would love if the alphas in the crimson kit were black, so we would get the classic black + red instead of mono red.
The Crimson Cyrillic kit is doubleshot, so you can’t achieve three colors on a single key with GMK’s tooling. The classic look (black & red on CP or L9) is achieved by pad-printing the red Cyrillic sublegends.
Post by: Rx003 on Fri, 19 February 2021, 02:32:43
Post by: Prestley on Mon, 22 February 2021, 21:32:04
Post by: break on Mon, 22 February 2021, 21:38:37
In the meantime, enjoy some art from pikku-allu. This is the Hubble65 with GMK Red Alert, the OG Number kit, and a Joker novelty.
(https://imgur.com/LjgMc09.png)
(https://imgur.com/nHgXYx9.png)
(https://imgur.com/G91aSYK.png)
Post by: Domantas on Tue, 02 March 2021, 13:52:43
Post by: ramnes on Tue, 02 March 2021, 17:05:40
Post by: monibart on Wed, 03 March 2021, 03:54:27
Post by: SMOKEY on Wed, 03 March 2021, 06:01:45
is it time already?
:p
Post by: MoarCoffeePlzzz on Wed, 03 March 2021, 09:09:42
Post by: break on Wed, 03 March 2021, 13:32:25
For those who know me, you know that u/crykn is my guy. So I needed to ask sGhost to render GMK Red Alert on his lovely Dawn FE in white.
(https://i.imgur.com/UXd1M9n.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/TIeCuLI.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/tOIOi3v.png)
Post by: VXQN on Thu, 04 March 2021, 04:37:03
Post by: ee on Thu, 04 March 2021, 06:03:09
Post by: yotasan on Thu, 04 March 2021, 09:56:10
Post by: break on Thu, 04 March 2021, 10:26:53
(https://i.imgur.com/RoGV0of.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/NRIcIrP.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/3QQR0L5.png)
Post by: Auxo on Thu, 04 March 2021, 12:55:08
Post by: kiyoboard on Thu, 04 March 2021, 13:47:33
Post by: break on Thu, 04 March 2021, 15:59:48
I mentioned in the IC form but kinda wish Cyrillic was the base. It is probably a little too late for that though, I will be in regardless.
Ahh, yeah. I added it after the fact, and didn't want to split interest across two base kits. The classic Latin alphas were the priority. Sorry about that...