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Title: [GB] GMK ONI | CONCLUDED |
Post by: BapoDonu on Tue, 04 August 2020, 19:05:43
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(GB LIVE)
AUG 4 - SEP 1
Expected shipping date JULY 2021
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About:
I don't remember who the inspiration was.
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Prices:
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THICC THOCK X ONI COLLECTABLE CARD
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RAMA COLLAB
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DESK MAT
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Art done by https://www.instagram.com/moshimoshibe/

Tokkipee artisans:
20pcs Oni (details soon)
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1/1 Raffle

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More
NA https://www.us.txkeyboards.com/products/gmk-oni
EU https://mykeyboard.eu/catalogue/category/group-buys/gmk-oni_327/
CA https://www.deskhero.ca/products/gmk-oni
AU https://dailyclack.com/products/gmk-oni
ASIA https://ilumkb.com/collections/groupbuy/products/gb-gmk-oni

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Boards:
AKI-S 65% in white by senryo
CuCUMber by kingk22
BOCC by senryo

All renders are made by best renderman Kingk22 (Kingk22#2222)

Notes
Big thanks to King,Jeff,Energie,Nova,Ryu,Keebs,Meatsmoothies,Popkorn,Necros and all of the vendors who will bring this set into existence,honestly helped out a lot in this journey of mine,I know I've missed a lot but list will be too long,you know who you are words are not enough to show my gratitude so if you ever need anything you know my discord,Thank to everyone else for taking out of your time to read and support the IC!
2D>3D

Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI
Post by: BapoDonu on Wed, 05 August 2020, 11:09:14
DAY 1
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WEEK 1
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WEEK 2
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Thank you dvorcol
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI
Post by: yoot on Thu, 06 August 2020, 07:49:51
UwU
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI
Post by: Scucka on Thu, 06 August 2020, 08:43:39
Who's rem tho?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI
Post by: yoot on Thu, 06 August 2020, 08:45:26
Who's rem tho?
Idk. Probably some obscure anime reference? Sounds similar to Ram from Re:Zero, which is definitely interesting
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI
Post by: BapoDonu on Thu, 06 August 2020, 19:46:01
DAY 1
All Proxies included,No extras.
BASE            285/250
NOVELTIES   160/150
UWU             80/150
ACCENTS     61/100
HIRAGANA    50/100
EXTENSION   15/100
RAMA 1U     51/100
RAMA ENTER  60/100
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI
Post by: Daniel on Sat, 08 August 2020, 02:01:29
I love that there is Alice support in the base kit. I hope it becomes a standard and more group buy runners do it this way.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI
Post by: titanium on Sat, 08 August 2020, 13:03:48
Can you share the colors that you used for this set? Trying to get a color matched cable for it.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI
Post by: Bachoo on Sat, 08 August 2020, 20:37:21
DAY 1
All Proxies included,No extras.
BASE            285/250
NOVELTIES   160/150
UWU             80/150
ACCENTS     61/100
HIRAGANA    50/100
EXTENSION   15/100
RAMA 1U     51/100
RAMA ENTER  60/100
very nice numbers, interesting that a set where nobody remembers the inspiration from is doing so well ;)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI
Post by: Fineko on Sat, 08 August 2020, 22:02:33
uwu
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI
Post by: dvorcol on Sat, 08 August 2020, 22:36:59
More
DAY 1
All Proxies included,No extras.
BASE            285/250
NOVELTIES   160/150
UWU             80/150
ACCENTS     61/100
HIRAGANA    50/100
EXTENSION   15/100
RAMA 1U     51/100
RAMA ENTER  60/100


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Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI
Post by: solomonshv on Mon, 10 August 2020, 04:37:02
any chance you can share the color code (hex/RAL/pantone) for the blue color on the alphas? i want to purchase a kit for the space bars. i want something that will be close-ish to my GMK mizu base.

sorry if it was already shared, i looked but couldn't find it.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI
Post by: yoot on Tue, 11 August 2020, 09:33:51
Is this shipping yet?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI
Post by: xernnn on Tue, 11 August 2020, 09:34:13
Love you, BapoDonut
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI
Post by: Nathan_ on Tue, 11 August 2020, 09:35:12
You really thought I wouldnt comment Chomosuke?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI
Post by: Missingnumber on Tue, 11 August 2020, 11:22:42
I was very on the fence about this Oni, because I already have more key caps than I will ever have boards. As someone who didn't care for the show, I really like this set! The fact that you included Alice support in the base kit convinced me to pull the trigger.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI
Post by: titanium on Tue, 11 August 2020, 11:40:03
TOUKA CHAN in blue
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI
Post by: dvorcol on Tue, 11 August 2020, 14:48:39
(https://i.postimg.cc/268mwGvt/GMKoni-Status200811.png)

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Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI
Post by: bakuretsu on Tue, 11 August 2020, 15:33:32
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Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI
Post by: yoot on Tue, 11 August 2020, 15:34:59
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Pog
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI
Post by: Missingnumber on Tue, 11 August 2020, 22:28:36
Just to confirm, the split spacebars in the base kit are 2.25u and 2.75u, right? I know some Alice style boards use 2u, so I wanted to make sure.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI
Post by: bakuretsu on Tue, 11 August 2020, 22:54:49
Just to confirm, the split spacebars in the base kit are 2.25u and 2.75u, right? I know some Alice style boards use 2u, so I wanted to make sure.

Yep. You can tell by the way it is.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI
Post by: BapoDonu on Thu, 13 August 2020, 05:14:31
any chance you can share the color code (hex/RAL/pantone) for the blue color on the alphas? i want to purchase a kit for the space bars. i want something that will be close-ish to my GMK mizu base.

sorry if it was already shared, i looked but couldn't find it.
Colors under "more"
Just to confirm, the split spacebars in the base kit are 2.25u and 2.75u, right? I know some Alice style boards use 2u, so I wanted to make sure.

Yep. You can tell by the way it is.
Yes its 2.25C and 2.75C
The 2C is in the extension kit


Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI
Post by: BapoDonu on Fri, 14 August 2020, 05:49:32
some pog artisans from tokkipee
more info on them soon


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Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI
Post by: meiosis on Sun, 16 August 2020, 01:35:53
Hello! Was wondering if the Rama Enter Key was aluminum or brass? And are these powdercoated or anodized since its in white?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI
Post by: BapoDonu on Sun, 16 August 2020, 04:55:44
Hello! Was wondering if the Rama Enter Key was aluminum or brass? And are these powdercoated or anodized since its in white?
It is Alu and e-coated.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI
Post by: dvorcol on Wed, 19 August 2020, 06:23:50
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Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI
Post by: bakuretsu on Fri, 21 August 2020, 14:25:28
I know what I must do (https://store.malvix.com/products/group-buy-uwu-owo-deskmat?variant=32636063776852)

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0297/8729/1732/products/blueberry_1080x.png?v=1597660667)

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Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI
Post by: BapoDonu on Fri, 21 August 2020, 14:43:12
I know what I must do (https://store.malvix.com/products/group-buy-uwu-owo-deskmat?variant=32636063776852)

Show Image
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0297/8729/1732/products/blueberry_1080x.png?v=1597660667)


Show Image
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then you must get the uwu kit to match the uwu mat
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI
Post by: yoot on Fri, 21 August 2020, 14:43:42
I know what I must do (https://store.malvix.com/products/group-buy-uwu-owo-deskmat?variant=32636063776852)

Show Image
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0297/8729/1732/products/blueberry_1080x.png?v=1597660667)


Show Image
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then you must get the uwu kit to match the uwu mat
No
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI
Post by: bakuretsu on Fri, 21 August 2020, 14:56:22
then you must get the uwu kit to match the uwu mat
Day 1 uwu kit buyer standing by
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI
Post by: BapoDonu on Fri, 21 August 2020, 16:00:09
then you must get the uwu kit to match the uwu mat
Day 1 uwu kit buyer standing by
uwu
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI 7 days left
Post by: BapoDonu on Tue, 25 August 2020, 06:47:14
1 week more to go
Don't have all the numbers but around ~630 base right now
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI 7 days left
Post by: bakuretsu on Tue, 25 August 2020, 07:08:11
I know there was an announcement in the Discord that all kits will be made, but does that include the RAMA 1u as well?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI 7 days left
Post by: BapoDonu on Tue, 25 August 2020, 09:08:35
I know there was an announcement in the Discord that all kits will be made, but does that include the RAMA 1u as well?
Yes but rama reached moq regardless
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI 7 days left
Post by: bakuretsu on Tue, 25 August 2020, 11:04:18
I know there was an announcement in the Discord that all kits will be made, but does that include the RAMA 1u as well?
Yes but rama reached moq regardless
Oh, nice. It was at 85/100 in the last graph, so I didn't think it had hit MOQ yet.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI 7 days left
Post by: dvorcol on Fri, 28 August 2020, 11:56:11
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Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI all kits will be made 4 days left
Post by: BapoDonu on Fri, 28 August 2020, 16:22:32
4 DAYS left
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI all kits will be made 4 days left
Post by: Vashmyvindows on Sat, 29 August 2020, 18:13:36
Do you have any IRL prototypes or examples of what these colors would look like? After comparing Bento r2's renders to photos of its r1 I've developed trust issues today...
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI all kits will be made 4 days left
Post by: BapoDonu on Sat, 29 August 2020, 18:22:02
Do you have any IRL prototypes or examples of what these colors would look like? After comparing Bento r2's renders to photos of its r1 I've developed trust issues today...
I do of course
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI all kits will be made 4 days left
Post by: Vashmyvindows on Sat, 29 August 2020, 18:35:55
Do you have any IRL prototypes or examples of what these colors would look like? After comparing Bento r2's renders to photos of its r1 I've developed trust issues today...
I do of course
Sorry, I was asking if you could post photos so we could see what it looks like rather than having to rely on the renders.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI all kits will be made 3 days left
Post by: titanium on Sat, 29 August 2020, 22:21:47
Is the white WS1 or WS2?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI all kits will be made 3 days left
Post by: BapoDonu on Sat, 29 August 2020, 23:36:53
Is the white WS1 or WS2?
ws2
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI all kits will be made 3 days left
Post by: BapoDonu on Sun, 30 August 2020, 22:27:40
1 DAY LEFT
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI | 1 DAY LEFT |
Post by: hkhawk on Mon, 31 August 2020, 01:03:34
What does the 2u Rama say?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI | 1 DAY LEFT |
Post by: bakuretsu on Mon, 31 August 2020, 03:08:06
What does the 2u Rama say?

"Al Huma" (アル・ヒューマ). It's an ice magic incantation.

Per the wiki, "The user creates a sharp ten meter long spear of ice. It can also be modified to trap enemies."
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI | 1 DAY LEFT |
Post by: Morgan3Wheeler on Mon, 31 August 2020, 08:37:02
Is 'Esc' key in Extension kit  R2 or R3?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI | 1 DAY LEFT |
Post by: BapoDonu on Mon, 31 August 2020, 10:40:22
Is 'Esc' key in Extension kit  R2 or R3?
R3
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI | 1 DAY LEFT |
Post by: dvorcol on Mon, 31 August 2020, 15:41:04
Only one day left!

(https://i.postimg.cc/HLhdt7RH/GMKoni-Status200831.png)

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Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI | 1 DAY LEFT |
Post by: BapoDonu on Mon, 31 August 2020, 23:11:46
Less than 3 hours left for (USA) TX
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI | CONCLUDED (a couple proxies still live) |
Post by: BapoDonu on Tue, 01 September 2020, 11:13:03
ok
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI | CONCLUDED (a couple proxies still live) |
Post by: BapoDonu on Tue, 01 September 2020, 11:15:02
GB HAS CONCLUDED
Thanks to everyone who joined <3
A couple proxies are still live so you can squeeze another order
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI | CONCLUDED |
Post by: engyshow on Wed, 14 October 2020, 14:17:25
Any chance of a KAT version?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI | CONCLUDED |
Post by: WalkinTrashCan on Sun, 10 October 2021, 03:41:11
ne updates avail?  ;D
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI | CONCLUDED |
Post by: audax989 on Sun, 28 November 2021, 22:06:27
Any updates? I see from Mekibo we’re pending R3 for samples.

Any idea what the timeline will look like if approval for the colors passes?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI | CONCLUDED |
Post by: dvorcol on Mon, 29 November 2021, 01:01:59
(https://i.postimg.cc/pW6C6x28/GMKoni-Status200901fin-Yext.png)

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Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI | CONCLUDED |
Post by: EngineerMan on Sat, 18 December 2021, 02:04:26
Any updates?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI | CONCLUDED |
Post by: shirokori on Sat, 18 December 2021, 06:48:34
This was posted on Discord, but given recent drama I should help share the news here for transparency:

[attach=1]

Posted on 16th of November.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI | CONCLUDED |
Post by: popkorn62 on Wed, 22 June 2022, 13:51:37
As of June 7th, GMK is still estimating this set to be finished by the end of June.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI | CONCLUDED |
Post by: twitchytheinsideman on Thu, 11 August 2022, 08:45:07
This was posted on Discord, but given recent drama I should help share the news here for transparency:

(Attachment Link)

Posted on 16th of November.

You got a link to the discord? Or where do I find it?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI | CONCLUDED |
Post by: popkorn62 on Thu, 11 August 2022, 12:13:17
As of today, GMK is estimating the set to finish and ship out in August.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI | CONCLUDED |
Post by: popkorn62 on Wed, 17 August 2022, 18:28:59
Shipping to vendors next week. We appreciate your incredible patience with this set!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI | CONCLUDED |
Post by: EngineerMan on Sat, 20 August 2022, 02:51:19
woops, quoted wrong person
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI | CONCLUDED |
Post by: EngineerMan on Sat, 20 August 2022, 02:54:52
Any updates?

lol, I wrote this over half a year ago. RIP, people waiting on GMK Frost Witch R2.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI | CONCLUDED |
Post by: ThreadyKeycaps on Mon, 22 August 2022, 00:19:45
 wow... this set is perfect!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI | CONCLUDED |
Post by: EngineerMan on Mon, 05 September 2022, 18:35:13
Shipping to vendors next week. We appreciate your incredible patience with this set!
August 2023?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI | CONCLUDED |
Post by: audax989 on Sat, 17 September 2022, 22:50:16
Shipping to vendors next week. We appreciate your incredible patience with this set!
August 2023?

people are already getting their sets. sit tight we're almost there.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI | CONCLUDED |
Post by: lilik on Wed, 16 November 2022, 11:31:00
Great I guess I just missed this, I am new to the hobby and didn't know this existed. I am so freaking sad rn.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI | CONCLUDED |
Post by: YoungManKim on Wed, 16 November 2022, 11:44:45
Great I guess I just missed this, I am new to the hobby and didn't know this existed. I am so freaking sad rn.

The Base Kit is still in stock at many of the vendors.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI | CONCLUDED |
Post by: max.clacks on Wed, 16 November 2022, 11:44:55
Great I guess I just missed this, I am new to the hobby and didn't know this existed. I am so freaking sad rn.

https://mekibo.com/products/gmk-oni
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI | CONCLUDED |
Post by: lilik on Wed, 16 November 2022, 11:53:37
Great I guess I just missed this, I am new to the hobby and didn't know this existed. I am so freaking sad rn.

The Base Kit is still in stock at many of the vendors.

Yes I know, but I also wanted the novelties at least and deeskmat.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI | CONCLUDED |
Post by: audax989 on Sun, 20 November 2022, 02:24:01
Great I guess I just missed this, I am new to the hobby and didn't know this existed. I am so freaking sad rn.

The Base Kit is still in stock at many of the vendors.

Yes I know, but I also wanted the novelties at least and deeskmat.

Just grab the base for now and find some novelties aftermarket.

the extras kinda lasted a while but novelties were some of the first to sell out.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI | CONCLUDED |
Post by: popkorn62 on Wed, 23 November 2022, 16:08:31
Great I guess I just missed this, I am new to the hobby and didn't know this existed. I am so freaking sad rn.

The Base Kit is still in stock at many of the vendors.

Yes I know, but I also wanted the novelties at least and deeskmat.

There was a good amount and they were gone in 5 mins

Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI | CONCLUDED |
Post by: twitchytheinsideman on Wed, 11 January 2023, 03:24:33
Great I guess I just missed this, I am new to the hobby and didn't know this existed. I am so freaking sad rn.

The Base Kit is still in stock at many of the vendors.

Yes I know, but I also wanted the novelties at least and deeskmat.

Just grab the base for now and find some novelties aftermarket.

the extras kinda lasted a while but novelties were some of the first to sell out.

Novelties aftermarket price is insane.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK ONI | CONCLUDED |
Post by: twitchytheinsideman on Wed, 11 January 2023, 03:51:40
Did anyone yet notice any discoloration on their GMK Oni set (WS2 has been known to yellow over time)?

Not sure if I should keep my GMK Oni under a cover whenever not using, for that reason.