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Title: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch - GB is live
Post by: Ckeeb on Thu, 13 August 2020, 11:18:44
Smooth Linear by JWK - designed and customize by Wuque Studio

GB IS LIVE at OA switch official page: https://shop.wuquestudio.com/products/original-aspiration-oa-switch-gb

Smaples Update
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REVIEW AND SOUND TEST


Samples images and videos:https://imgur.com/a/Yjx8iJg (https://imgur.com/a/Yjx8iJg)
Original Render: https://imgur.com/a/xyLtijr
IC FORM: https://forms.gle/sMEk8RCDVPHTiWSy6
Discord server: https://discord.gg/fFrr3Du

Features:
67g gold plated spring
Polycarbonate top housing
UHMWPE bottom housing
POM stem
5 pin PCB mount
No factory Lube
Price: US$0.6 each, comes with 10/pack

Proxy Update:
* US: Cannon Keys
* Canada: Mech Land
* EU: CandyKeys
* Aus: Daily Clack
* Japan: Yushakobo]
* South Korea:Monstargear
* Vietnam:TaoBaoSop

GB schedule:

* Group buy opens:Sept. 24 at 4pm PST
* Group buy ends: Oct. 9 at 4PM PST
* Delivery: Nov. 23 - Dec. 8 2020

Review/Sound Test:

Andy V Nguyen
Review video will be published at 4 PM PST, Sep. 23th on Youtube at https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMvQplPvMnmi-cjgqZBsnHA
Live stream at 6:30 PM PST, Sep. 23th, on Twitcha at https://www.twitch.tv/andyvnguyen

Giveaway

1.We will host 2-3 giveaways for these switches on Reddit and over at our Discord server during the group buy. No purchase necessary. Keep an eye out for the reddit posts and discord pings!

2.Everyone who orders OA switches from any of the vendors as well as official website will be qualified to enter a very special contest. The prize is 3 free spot in the Ikki68 Aurora group buy scheduled to launch before this Christmas. If you haven't seen the IC post, it's a gasket mounted, polycarbonate 68% with multiple dampening pads and split spacebar support. More details
at https://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/ityff1/icikki68_auroraa_gasket_mount_polycarbonate_kit/.
Giveaway details at https://shop.wuquestudio.com/blogs/news/oa-switch-x-ikki68-aurora-giveaway.


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Hi guys!
The Original Aspiration (OA) Switch is designed by Wuque from Wuque Studio.

Why“Original Aspiration”-- The Narrative from Wuque

Flowers will bloom again, but people will never be young again. And the passing of time is like flowing water, although always got blocked, it endlessly continuous.
When goes from childhood immature to youthful madness, a man will inevitably experience failure and collapse. But in the end, he will remain water-like peace on his face, because his pride does not allow him to tell others about the days he has gone through. The most valuable things is that, he knows he is different, but his original aspiration still persists.

I have long wanted to design a switch. From the original EVA color to the coal ash ( as show in our discord server) and other colors, I tried a lot of colors, but I always felt they did not have souls. After a small drink one night, I have the above thoughts. I made up my mind to create an “Original Aspiration (初心)” switch, the crystal clear blue housing symbolizes the treasurable still-water-like peaceful heart, we all have original aspiration, but it is always difficult to keep it all the way we go, so I just make the stem white and wish it can always stay pure. Everything is hopeful, everything can be expected. May you return with a young heart after years of fighting.

I communicated with several switch factories and finally selected JWK, using the latest mold production, 67g pressure, linear. If you like it please fill in our IC form or join our Discord server to follow up.
We are expecting samples from JWK at the end of August or early September, and will also giveaway some free packages (5 switches each) before we open GB. Stay tuned with us :)
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: yoot on Thu, 13 August 2020, 11:19:51
Is it full UHWMPE bottom or a mix?
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: Joaquox on Thu, 13 August 2020, 13:09:02
What have you actually designed? Didn't you just recolour an existing product?
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Thu, 13 August 2020, 15:41:18
If it was 100% UHMWPE wouldn’t it be opaque?
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: ligongduck on Thu, 13 August 2020, 15:52:42
Looks flashy like stars in the sky
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: kajahtaa on Thu, 13 August 2020, 16:47:44
Awesome. I'm in, unless shipping is 20$
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: JoltFX on Thu, 13 August 2020, 19:42:27
I’m intrigued


(https://sanpj.tonikaku.photos/i/kqct.png) (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=105898.0)
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: Ckeeb on Thu, 13 August 2020, 19:46:47
What have you actually designed? Didn't you just recolour an existing product?

There are actually not so many UHWMPE bottom housing JWK switches :))
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: Ckeeb on Thu, 13 August 2020, 19:48:36
Awesome. I'm in, unless shipping is 20$

No worries if you are not in North pole
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: SxM Designs on Thu, 13 August 2020, 19:57:08
so will you have a external vendor?
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: Ckeeb on Thu, 13 August 2020, 20:11:35
so will you have a external vendor?

For EU?
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: Joaquox on Thu, 13 August 2020, 23:42:25
What have you actually designed? Didn't you just recolour an existing product?

There are actually not so many UHWMPE bottom housing JWK switches :))

Tangies claim to have it.

Repainting your bedroom doesn't make you an architect, picking two colors from a chart for an existing product doesn't really make you a designer either.

How much UHMWPE is in the product, and can you prove it, since thw tangies are controversial?
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: Ckeeb on Fri, 14 August 2020, 01:02:38
Is it full UHWMPE bottom or a mix?

Confirming with JWK
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: vaf1en on Fri, 14 August 2020, 01:19:45
May I suggest to set this switch apart from other recolours by throwing something like a 98g spring in there?
Would love to see that type of heavier switch come out.
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: Nonnegaard on Fri, 14 August 2020, 02:27:34
Soooo... Tangies?
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: beigeandbrown on Fri, 14 August 2020, 03:49:33
May I suggest to set this switch apart from other recolours by throwing something like a 98g spring in there?
Would love to see that type of heavier switch come out.
Man you are in every switch interest check begging for 98 gram switches, almost nobody wants springs that heavy, just buy a decent switch and do a spring swap if you want to feel like pushing bricks.
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: kimchijody on Fri, 14 August 2020, 06:04:47
So first people are saying that this isn't full UHMWPE. Yeah of course it's a mix, as are Tangies. People were quick to call this out from the very first images released of the switch. True 100% UHMWPE is extremely opaque and is most commonly white. The colored translucent housing can only be achieved with UHMWPE by mixing it with another polymer. How much of a mix is anyone's guess. Even TKC doesn't know how much UHMWPE is in the Tangie housing. They are pretty much forced to trust what the manufacturer tells them; there is a substantial amount of UHMWPE in the housing polymer mix, because JWK isn't stupid enough to release their proprietary "formula" for making literally the first UHMWPE switch housing in existence. This is a hot topic of discussion and has been ever since Tangie V2s were announced. The truth is the public will never know with 100% certainty what the mix is unless 1. JWK releases the "formula" or 2. Someone wants to spend and ungodly amount of time and money to have the housing tested at a lab and reverse engineer the mix. I realize the main point of contention for UHMWPE switches are for marketing the switch as "UHMWPE housing" when the exact amount is unknown. But as previously mentioned, the point is moot and we'll run around in circles discussing it. At the end of the day, it's a very good switch for a good price.

Yes, the housing color is different. If you're upset about it I would like to point you in the direction of literally every single JWK & Durock recolor that has been made in 2019-2020. From Alpacas and H1s to Dogikons and Moss, they're all more or less the same housing with varying spring weights and different colors. There is clearly a market for these. From my perspective, this OA falls under the same category as a recolor.

The main difference here would be the top housing. A large point of dissatisfaction with the Tangie V2s was that they were very clacky, particularly on the upstroke. This is why many people opt to swap to a different top housing like Cherry or Cream tops. The polycarb top housing on this would eliminate the clack in much the same way, making the upstroke sound closer to an Alpaca than a Tangie.

While I don't necessarily have a problem with the material or color, what I am concerned about are the rights to another UHMWPE housing switch. I highly doubt that TKC/C3 simply allows anyone to use their same process to create another UHMWPE switch in direct competition with their own. I imagine that would be similar to someone asking Gateron to make their own variation on the Ink. Obviously JWK is no stranger to working with third party clients to make a switch custom to their specifications. But to use the same bottom housing molds as C3's Tangies...sounds like a bit of a stretch to me (unless any mold created and used by JWK just becomes a part of their "mold library" so to speak, or these bottom housings are from JWK's own proprietary molds). If it were really that simple I would think we would have seen another IC/GB about another UHMWPE switch, especially given the popularity of the Tangie V2s. Please feel free to clarify/correct me if I'm wrong on any of these points.

All that being said, I look forward to the samples and hope a sound test will be available soon.
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: vaf1en on Fri, 14 August 2020, 06:09:38
Man you are in every switch interest check begging for 98 gram switches, almost nobody wants springs that heavy, just buy a decent switch and do a spring swap if you want to feel like pushing bricks.
My apologies, good sir.
I guess you are right, there is no point in asking for something else than what the market is currently flooded with.
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: SxM Designs on Fri, 14 August 2020, 06:13:14
so will you have a external vendor?

For EU?
Yes
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: harlekein on Fri, 14 August 2020, 06:43:51
What have you actually designed? Didn't you just recolour an existing product?

People want a back story now for hype building and feeling more invested in the products they buy.

Repainting your bedroom doesn't make you an architect, picking two colors from a chart for an existing product doesn't really make you a designer either.

Careful now. A lot of "designers" churning out GMK kits inspired by colour matchers and their fans will take offense.
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: Xdoc6 on Fri, 14 August 2020, 08:50:50
I don’t really understand all the hate. Just about every new switch this year has been a jwk re color. These look nice, and why wouldn’t we want more competition For/just more of tangies?
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: lolafineday on Fri, 14 August 2020, 09:29:50
Looks good I'm probably in

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Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: VagueOrigin on Fri, 14 August 2020, 09:41:19
I don’t really understand all the hate. Just about every new switch this year has been a jwk re color. These look nice, and why wouldn’t we want more competition For/just more of tangies?
Exactly... its recolor of a pretty good switch. Buy it or don't.

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Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: DrHigsby on Fri, 14 August 2020, 10:02:35
Man you are in every switch interest check begging for 98 gram switches, almost nobody wants springs that heavy, just buy a decent switch and do a spring swap if you want to feel like pushing bricks.
My apologies, good sir.
I guess you are right, there is no point in asking for something else than what the market is currently flooded with.

Nobody will purchase a switch with a spring weight of 98g. Except maybe you. And unless you’re going to purchase 20-25k of these, you are the market minority in asking for this.

The reason 62-67g is offered is because those are the most popular spring weights.

This is like asking Toyota to offer the Prius in bright pink; there is no market for it. But if you want it, you can make it happen with after market parts/labor.
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: vaf1en on Fri, 14 August 2020, 10:40:51
Nobody will purchase a switch with a spring weight of 98g. Except maybe you. And unless you’re going to purchase 20-25k of these, you are the market minority in asking for this.

The reason 62-67g is offered is because those are the most popular spring weights.
I do not think it would be unrealistic to hit MOQ on a group buy featuring JWK switches with a heavier spring.

That being said, I agree that 62-67g switches are (far) more popular and I am not trying to convince myself otherwise. I just think there is an untapped market for heavier switches in the 80-100g range.
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: kwhilden on Fri, 14 August 2020, 10:46:28
I love this color and transparency.  When this goes live, I'll stock up on 200+ for use in all of my boards, and sell my other JWK clones. 
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: DrHigsby on Fri, 14 August 2020, 11:05:10
Nobody will purchase a switch with a spring weight of 98g. Except maybe you. And unless you’re going to purchase 20-25k of these, you are the market minority in asking for this.

The reason 62-67g is offered is because those are the most popular spring weights.
I do not think it would be unrealistic to hit MOQ on a group buy featuring JWK switches with a heavier spring.

That being said, I agree that 62-67g switches are (far) more popular and I am not trying to convince myself otherwise. I just think there is an untapped market for heavier switches in the 80-100g range.

If there was an untapped market for heavier switches, I think gateron, kailh, outemu, jwk, Durock, and cherry would all offer default switches with those weights. But they don’t.

I am not attempting to argue with you about your preferences. I am attempting to point out that if this is something you are interested in, you should pursue it yourself.
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: Ckeeb on Fri, 14 August 2020, 20:12:02
So first people are saying that this isn't full UHMWPE. Yeah of course it's a mix, as are Tangies. People were quick to call this out from the very first images released of the switch. True 100% UHMWPE is extremely opaque and is most commonly white. The colored translucent housing can only be achieved with UHMWPE by mixing it with another polymer. How much of a mix is anyone's guess. Even TKC doesn't know how much UHMWPE is in the Tangie housing. They are pretty much forced to trust what the manufacturer tells them; there is a substantial amount of UHMWPE in the housing polymer mix, because JWK isn't stupid enough to release their proprietary "formula" for making literally the first UHMWPE switch housing in existence. This is a hot topic of discussion and has been ever since Tangie V2s were announced. The truth is the public will never know with 100% certainty what the mix is unless 1. JWK releases the "formula" or 2. Someone wants to spend and ungodly amount of time and money to have the housing tested at a lab and reverse engineer the mix. I realize the main point of contention for UHMWPE switches are for marketing the switch as "UHMWPE housing" when the exact amount is unknown. But as previously mentioned, the point is moot and we'll run around in circles discussing it. At the end of the day, it's a very good switch for a good price.

Yes, the housing color is different. If you're upset about it I would like to point you in the direction of literally every single JWK & Durock recolor that has been made in 2019-2020. From Alpacas and H1s to Dogikons and Moss, they're all more or less the same housing with varying spring weights and different colors. There is clearly a market for these. From my perspective, this OA falls under the same category as a recolor.

The main difference here would be the top housing. A large point of dissatisfaction with the Tangie V2s was that they were very clacky, particularly on the upstroke. This is why many people opt to swap to a different top housing like Cherry or Cream tops. The polycarb top housing on this would eliminate the clack in much the same way, making the upstroke sound closer to an Alpaca than a Tangie.

While I don't necessarily have a problem with the material or color, what I am concerned about are the rights to another UHMWPE housing switch. I highly doubt that TKC/C3 simply allows anyone to use their same process to create another UHMWPE switch in direct competition with their own. I imagine that would be similar to someone asking Gateron to make their own variation on the Ink. Obviously JWK is no stranger to working with third party clients to make a switch custom to their specifications. But to use the same bottom housing molds as C3's Tangies...sounds like a bit of a stretch to me (unless any mold created and used by JWK just becomes a part of their "mold library" so to speak, or these bottom housings are from JWK's own proprietary molds). If it were really that simple I would think we would have seen another IC/GB about another UHMWPE switch, especially given the popularity of the Tangie V2s. Please feel free to clarify/correct me if I'm wrong on any of these points.

All that being said, I look forward to the samples and hope a sound test will be available soon.

You are correct, JWK does not tell us this finally, even their sales just said they don't know.  They almost finish one sample for us, and we asked them to make more other materials for us to test and see what comes out the better. We will have sound test to share with you.
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: Hua.wuque on Fri, 14 August 2020, 20:34:32
I've read all the above replies about color and material. In fact, as I am, I want to bring good things to you. I think good things may be beautiful or powerful. I dare not say that everyone can like what I bring. But our team has spent a lot of effort on each product It seems easy. In fact, in the process of doing it, we will encounter a lot of difficulties, but we still stick to the original idea and try our best to do it.
At the same time, we also accept your opinions. We will take the above questions into consideration in our future work. I also welcome more suggestions from you.
Thank U everyone!
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: jAngeles on Fri, 14 August 2020, 21:22:15
If these are just like tangies I'd def get a bunch of these. The tangies feel great but I just do not like the color scheme
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: JoltFX on Fri, 14 August 2020, 21:45:31
^^ umm YES


(https://sanpj.tonikaku.photos/i/kqct.png) (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=105898.0)
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: yuck on Sat, 15 August 2020, 10:51:25
so you're advertising something as a certain material yet you don't even know how much uhmwpe is in the mold or if there is even any uhmwpe at all? how sad
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: huey on Sat, 15 August 2020, 18:17:19
Nothing like a deep life contemplating inspiration to help sell a bloody switch...
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: lolafineday on Sat, 15 August 2020, 18:45:09
so you're advertising something as a certain material yet you don't even know how much uhmwpe is in the mold or if there is even any uhmwpe at all? how sad
That's quite normal. You are ignorant for calling him out. Switch manufacturers dont release they're formulas.

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Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: Ckeeb on Sat, 15 August 2020, 20:34:07
so will you have a external vendor?

For EU?
Yes

Will start contacting some EU proxy recommeded on Reddit next week, hope to confirm one before GB. Will sure announce this in the post later.
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: Ckeeb on Sat, 15 August 2020, 20:36:23
I love this color and transparency.  When this goes live, I'll stock up on 200+ for use in all of my boards, and sell my other JWK clones.

lol, we should receive some samples next week, if they are satisfying, we will update photos.
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: SirTimmyTimbit on Sat, 15 August 2020, 20:39:19
I imagine that would be similar to someone asking Gateron to make their own variation on the Ink.

Didn't Gateron do just that with 8008 ink switches? :p

But yeah I agree about C3 not being too happy about it. Good for me as a consumer but perhaps not so good for them.
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: scrps on Sat, 15 August 2020, 21:05:09
Awesome. I'm in, unless shipping is 20$
this
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: Joaquox on Sun, 16 August 2020, 00:19:33
so you're advertising something as a certain material yet you don't even know how much uhmwpe is in the mold or if there is even any uhmwpe at all? how sad
That's quite normal. You are ignorant for calling him out. Switch manufacturers dont release they're formulas.

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You're ignorant for buying snake oil without questioning. These guys claim to have designed the switch, they should bloody well be able to back up their claims.
Any JWK GB will sell out these days, so it's a risk free cash grab, the least we as a community can ask for is some transparency.
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: yuck on Sun, 16 August 2020, 14:32:57
so you're advertising something as a certain material yet you don't even know how much uhmwpe is in the mold or if there is even any uhmwpe at all? how sad
That's quite normal. You are ignorant for calling him out. Switch manufacturers dont release they're formulas.

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it's not about the formula it's about whether UHMWPE is the main material or not. these people clearly advertise it as UHMWPE yet they wouldn't even know if they switch has like 5% UHMWPE and the rest is nylon lmao
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: Ckeeb on Sun, 16 August 2020, 19:05:14
I imagine that would be similar to someone asking Gateron to make their own variation on the Ink.

Didn't Gateron do just that with 8008 ink switches? :p

But yeah I agree about C3 not being too happy about it. Good for me as a consumer but perhaps not so good for them.
We just believe we should bring the best we can :)
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: Rynxe on Sun, 16 August 2020, 21:25:19
Love the color!

Do you have plans on making matching stabs?

Any plans for international proxies?
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: Ckeeb on Mon, 17 August 2020, 09:18:17
Love the color!

Do you have plans on making matching stabs?

Any plans for international proxies?

Stabs, may be in near future. Will contact some EU proxies and see if we can make one before GB :)
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: Rynxe on Mon, 17 August 2020, 09:29:24
Love the color!

Do you have plans on making matching stabs?

Any plans for international proxies?

Stabs, may be in near future. Will contact some EU proxies and see if we can make one before GB :)

 :thumb: excited for both the switched and the matching stabs
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: Surefoot on Mon, 17 August 2020, 09:53:15
Color looks good, JWK smoothness on top of it, i would be interested.
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: Hua.wuque on Mon, 17 August 2020, 21:41:01
Love the color!

Do you have plans on making matching stabs?

Any plans for international proxies?
It is possible that we will launch matching stabs with the same theme in the future
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: Rynxe on Tue, 18 August 2020, 03:13:54
Love the color!

Do you have plans on making matching stabs?

Any plans for international proxies?
It is possible that we will launch matching stabs with the same theme in the future
:thumb: Will definitely watch for these!
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: kimchijody on Tue, 18 August 2020, 05:06:31
I imagine that would be similar to someone asking Gateron to make their own variation on the Ink.

Didn't Gateron do just that with 8008 ink switches? :p

But yeah I agree about C3 not being too happy about it. Good for me as a consumer but perhaps not so good for them.
We just believe we should bring the best we can :)

Indeed they did. Dixie is the first person ever to do an Ink recolor and good for him.
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: kimchijody on Tue, 18 August 2020, 05:18:50
so you're advertising something as a certain material yet you don't even know how much uhmwpe is in the mold or if there is even any uhmwpe at all? how sad
That's quite normal. You are ignorant for calling him out. Switch manufacturers dont release they're formulas.

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it's not about the formula it's about whether UHMWPE is the main material or not. these people clearly advertise it as UHMWPE yet they wouldn't even know if they switch has like 5% UHMWPE and the rest is nylon lmao

Seems like people still aren't getting the point. THESE SWITCHES HAVE THE SAME MARKETING DILEMMA AS THE TANGERINE V2S. NOBODY EXCEPT JWK KNOWS HOW MUCH UHMWPE IS IN THE SWITCH. Trying to force information from the runners, information THEY 100% DO NOT HAVE, is pointless. If you have bought and enjoy Tangies, then you will likely enjoy this switch. Don't repeat the same information/arguments that were hashed out over and over and over and over again from every reddit post, geekhack thread, streamer vod, and discord discussion possible about the Tangies. No switch in existence is full 100% UHMWPE. It is physically impossible to get the color and transparency of the Tangie or this OA switch with full UHMWPE. This is common knowledge and plainly obvious by simply by looking raw UHMWPE. Unless C3 created a polymer mixture using exotic materials supplied to the factory, I suspect JWK will use whatever mix the Tangies are made of, as creating and prototyping an entirely new mix is costly and unnecessary.

If these switches are good, they will be a viable alternative to the Tangie by having the PC top housing to allow for a deeper, less clacky sound. Nobody knows what the mix is for the housing. If you have problems with this IC then vote with your wallet and move on. I for one am curious to see how a Tangie alternative will play out as the demand for Tangies from TKC is through the roof. GLWIC!
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: DrHigsby on Tue, 18 August 2020, 09:27:17
Here here kimchijody!
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: Rynxe on Wed, 19 August 2020, 08:52:25
so you're advertising something as a certain material yet you don't even know how much uhmwpe is in the mold or if there is even any uhmwpe at all? how sad
That's quite normal. You are ignorant for calling him out. Switch manufacturers dont release they're formulas.

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You're ignorant for buying snake oil without questioning. These guys claim to have designed the switch, they should bloody well be able to back up their claims.
Any JWK GB will sell out these days, so it's a risk free cash grab, the least we as a community can ask for is some transparency.

Don't drag the community into this. Reading most of the posts in this IC, you're the only one causing drama.
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: Ckeeb on Wed, 19 August 2020, 09:56:35
so you're advertising something as a certain material yet you don't even know how much uhmwpe is in the mold or if there is even any uhmwpe at all? how sad
That's quite normal. You are ignorant for calling him out. Switch manufacturers dont release they're formulas.

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it's not about the formula it's about whether UHMWPE is the main material or not. these people clearly advertise it as UHMWPE yet they wouldn't even know if they switch has like 5% UHMWPE and the rest is nylon lmao

Seems like people still aren't getting the point. THESE SWITCHES HAVE THE SAME MARKETING DILEMMA AS THE TANGERINE V2S. NOBODY EXCEPT JWK KNOWS HOW MUCH UHMWPE IS IN THE SWITCH. Trying to force information from the runners, information THEY 100% DO NOT HAVE, is pointless. If you have bought and enjoy Tangies, then you will likely enjoy this switch. Don't repeat the same information/arguments that were hashed out over and over and over and over again from every reddit post, geekhack thread, streamer vod, and discord discussion possible about the Tangies. No switch in existence is full 100% UHMWPE. It is physically impossible to get the color and transparency of the Tangie or this OA switch with full UHMWPE. This is common knowledge and plainly obvious by simply by looking raw UHMWPE. Unless C3 created a polymer mixture using exotic materials supplied to the factory, I suspect JWK will use whatever mix the Tangies are made of, as creating and prototyping an entirely new mix is costly and unnecessary.

If these switches are good, they will be a viable alternative to the Tangie by having the PC top housing to allow for a deeper, less clacky sound. Nobody knows what the mix is for the housing. If you have problems with this IC then vote with your wallet and move on. I for one am curious to see how a Tangie alternative will play out as the demand for Tangies from TKC is through the roof. GLWIC!

Thank you for understanding, what we can do now is to share more info when we have sample, sound test, send out some sample for reviews and let you know more about it.
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: Ckeeb on Thu, 20 August 2020, 18:41:55
Is it full UHWMPE bottom or a mix?

Finally, JWK sales did not disclose this, just as we assume it should be a mix.
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: Fearian on Thu, 20 August 2020, 19:07:47
Sounds interesting!
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: xantiema on Fri, 21 August 2020, 07:37:09
Well I am 100% in.

What top housing material did the Tangie C3 use in comparison to this switch?
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: Ckeeb on Sun, 23 August 2020, 01:48:29
so will you have a external vendor?

For EU?
Yes

Will start contacting some EU proxy recommeded on Reddit next week, hope to confirm one before GB. Will sure announce this in the post later.

EU proxy will be Candykeys  :)
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: Loligagger on Sat, 29 August 2020, 23:20:28
I'm interested. A Canadian proxy would be nice (maybe apexkeyboards or deskhero?) but not a dealbreaker.
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: Owl on Sun, 30 August 2020, 09:31:28
I think this is a perfectly acceptable IC and I think it adds value to our community.

I am not sure what people are going on about in regards to "designers" for switches like this. From what I can tell, you did your research and you want to add color and a twist to an existing switch concept. Nothing inherently wrong with that. (That is what our entire community is built off of after all. Literally every keycap set, switch, stab, and keyboard ever made is an interpretation of an already existing constraint in keyboard functionality). You have the product you want produced laid out, pricing, vendors, manufacturer, ect. which is more than can be said about a lot of IC's these days.

Anyway, good luck with IC and you can count me interested in this. I really like the colors and renders and can't wait to see some samples and hear some typing tests. Thank you.
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: alleneentrekin on Sun, 30 August 2020, 12:50:54
I live the colors, as well as the UHMPE bottom, but would you all consider doing UHMWPE stems as well? I think that would really set these switches apart from others on the market even more!

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Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: Ckeeb on Mon, 31 August 2020, 07:23:13
I think this is a perfectly acceptable IC and I think it adds value to our community.

I am not sure what people are going on about in regards to "designers" for switches like this. From what I can tell, you did your research and you want to add color and a twist to an existing switch concept. Nothing inherently wrong with that. (That is what our entire community is built off of after all. Literally every keycap set, switch, stab, and keyboard ever made is an interpretation of an already existing constraint in keyboard functionality). You have the product you want produced laid out, pricing, vendors, manufacturer, ect. which is more than can be said about a lot of IC's these days.

Anyway, good luck with IC and you can count me interested in this. I really like the colors and renders and can't wait to see some samples and hear some typing tests. Thank you.

Thank you! Just updated samples at https://imgur.com/a/Yjx8iJg
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: Rob27shred on Mon, 31 August 2020, 08:40:48
I live the colors, as well as the UHMPE bottom, but would you all consider doing UHMWPE stems as well? I think that would really set these switches apart from others on the market even more!

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The POM stem with PE bottom should be smoother than PE stems with Nylon or PC bottom TBH. If he introduced a PE stem it would cause stick/slip issues like Creams had, sliding the same plastic past itself is actually less ideal than 2 separate materials AFAIK.
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch - Samples Updated
Post by: alleneentrekin on Mon, 31 August 2020, 08:46:25
Oh **** your right I forgot about that.

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Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch - Samples Updated
Post by: kwhilden on Mon, 31 August 2020, 09:39:24
Looks good, although I was really attracted to the lighter, more neutral blue gray in the original IC render.  This is a darker medium blue.  Is that the final color? 

A lighter more neutral color will work better for RGB.
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch - Samples Updated
Post by: JoltFX on Mon, 31 August 2020, 13:00:40
I liked the muted tones in the previous render... sad it’s so bright and colorful


(https://sanpj.tonikaku.photos/i/kqct.png) (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=105898.0)
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: Ckeeb on Mon, 31 August 2020, 19:15:03
I live the colors, as well as the UHMPE bottom, but would you all consider doing UHMWPE stems as well? I think that would really set these switches apart from others on the market even more!

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We tried to ask JWK for this, but they are super busy and failed to give us the sample so we will leave this chance for next time.
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch - Samples Updated
Post by: alleneentrekin on Mon, 31 August 2020, 19:44:50
I live the colors, as well as the UHMPE bottom, but would you all consider doing UHMWPE stems as well? I think that would really set these switches apart from others on the market even more!

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We tried to ask JWK for this, but they are super busy and failed to give us the sample so we will leave this chance for next time.
That's a shame, but thank you so much for reaching out. Any idea when these go live because I definitely want to pick them up!

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Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: Bitmxp on Mon, 31 August 2020, 22:59:00
Super excited for this!  :eek:
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch - Samples Updated
Post by: heyimpanda on Mon, 31 August 2020, 23:51:50
i second also liking the more muted blue-gray from the original render, but I also kinda dig this color as well
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch
Post by: Rob27shred on Tue, 01 September 2020, 09:23:43
I live the colors, as well as the UHMPE bottom, but would you all consider doing UHMWPE stems as well? I think that would really set these switches apart from others on the market even more!

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We tried to ask JWK for this, but they are super busy and failed to give us the sample so we will leave this chance for next time.

Do you think using a UMHPE stem with a UMHPE bottom would exhibit the stick/slip issue like Creams suffer from? As I understand it the reason Creams do that is because of using the same material for the stems & housing. Also it can only be mitigated to certain extent. Although it is well know that Creams lose the stick/slip after getting throughly broken in & lube will help mitigate it before then. I will say Invyr PE stems in Tangie housings do have stick/slip (not as bad as creams but noticeable) IME.
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch - Samples Updated
Post by: alleneentrekin on Tue, 01 September 2020, 09:44:34
I live the colors, as well as the UHMPE bottom, but would you all consider doing UHMWPE stems as well? I think that would really set these switches apart from others on the market even more!

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We tried to ask JWK for this, but they are super busy and failed to give us the sample so we will leave this chance for next time.

Do you think using a UMHPE stem with a UMHPE bottom would exhibit the stick/slip issue like Creams suffer from? As I understand it the reason Creams do that is because of using the same material for the stems & housing. Also it can only be mitigated to certain extent. Although it is well know that Creams lose the stick/slip after getting throughly broken in & lube will help mitigate it before then. I will say Invyr PE stems in Tangie housings do have stick/slip (not as bad as creams but noticeable) IME.
I think there is definitely a possibility of that happening pre break in. But switches like Creams also have that issue a bit and everyone seems to love them anyway.

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Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch - Samples Updated
Post by: Ckeeb on Tue, 01 September 2020, 09:47:03
Looks good, although I was really attracted to the lighter, more neutral blue gray in the original IC render.  This is a darker medium blue.  Is that the final color? 

A lighter more neutral color will work better for RGB.


We also notice this difference, but JWK may take another 1 month, and 1 month, and 1 month to get the color for us. We will see if we can get one more closer to the render in future GB. Personally, I also love that one! But this blue is also good  :))
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch - Samples Updated
Post by: VagueOrigin on Wed, 02 September 2020, 12:03:44
The new blue is super saturated... may still pick up a few, but damn did I prefer that render...

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Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch - Samples Updated
Post by: Bobatype on Wed, 02 September 2020, 18:53:50
I don't mind the new blue, but the older blue in your previous renders was much better and in line with your 'theme/inspiration'. New one makes it just look like an aqua zilent with a white stem.
Given this is just a JWK linear switch variant, and not unique/innovative at all in any other regard, the only angle/appeal you have is your colour choice. Thus I'd put more emphasis on pursuing the more unique colour you had going for in your initial renders.
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch - Samples Updated
Post by: KeebOnMe on Thu, 03 September 2020, 21:13:52
I'm interested in the switches, when it's ready. I'll drop!
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch - Samples Updated
Post by: taiminhle4920 on Thu, 03 September 2020, 22:43:31
Vendor for US?
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch - Samples Updated
Post by: Curin Derwin on Fri, 04 September 2020, 02:35:46
Big fan of blue, but that subtle render will appeal to a lot of people. Lean toward that.
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch - Samples Updated
Post by: Xonuss on Fri, 04 September 2020, 03:05:45
I don't mind the new blue, but I think I got my expectations for the original more subtle blue/grey color too high to really appreciate the new color. I believe I'm gonna get a batch of these regardless, but I really liked the original renders.
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch - Samples Updated
Post by: Gnarled on Fri, 04 September 2020, 07:26:54
If it ain't too late and ask for changes, make the housing more 'colorless' with a blue tint rather than blue through and through. With the saturated mono-colored housing and UHMWPE bottom, kinda gives off a C3 deviation vibe rather than your own design.
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch - Samples Updated
Post by: Ramen Champ on Fri, 04 September 2020, 19:28:12
Interested to see how these switches would feel in person compared to tangies
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch - Samples Updated
Post by: Ckeeb on Sun, 06 September 2020, 06:54:50
Vendor for US?

Yes, will release US Vendor very soon!
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch - Samples Updated
Post by: SxM Designs on Sun, 06 September 2020, 06:58:46
Vendor for US?

Yes, will release US Vendor very soon!

for eu?
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch - Samples Updated
Post by: Ckeeb on Tue, 08 September 2020, 19:15:44
Vendor for US?

Yes, will release US Vendor very soon!

for eu?

EU is Candykeys :))
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch - Samples Updated
Post by: Ckeeb on Mon, 14 September 2020, 10:17:51
Interested to see how these switches would feel in person compared to tangies

We already sent switches for review, feel free to join our discord for more duscussions :)
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch - Samples Updated
Post by: Ckeeb on Mon, 14 September 2020, 10:20:28
Interested to see how these switches would feel in person compared to tangies

We already sent switches for review, feel free to join our discord for more duscussions :)
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch - Samples Updated
Post by: Ckeeb on Wed, 16 September 2020, 19:36:25
I'm interested in the switches, when it's ready. I'll drop!

GB will open very soon:)
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch - Samples Updated
Post by: Ckeeb on Thu, 17 September 2020, 18:37:04
I don't mind the new blue, but I think I got my expectations for the original more subtle blue/grey color too high to really appreciate the new color. I believe I'm gonna get a batch of these regardless, but I really liked the original renders.
We may work on this with JWK in the future. Since this blue also look good, we go with this one first :)
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch - Samples Updated
Post by: Ckeeb on Tue, 22 September 2020, 11:15:58
Interested to see how these switches would feel in person compared to tangies

We will got review and live streaming!
**Andy V Nguyen**   
Review video will be published at 4 PM PST, Sep. 23th on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMvQplPvMnmi-cjgqZBsnHA
Live stream at 6:30 PM PST, Sep. 23th Twitch:https://www.twitch.tv/andyvnguyen
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch - GB Opens on Sept. 24th
Post by: thestateofmay on Tue, 22 September 2020, 14:29:24
Your aspiration story makes it sound like every men gives up on their dream eventually... idk about that...
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch - GB Opens on Sept. 24th
Post by: Bobatype on Tue, 22 September 2020, 20:32:28
Should call it another name, now that it's no longer the original colour you actually wanted lol.
Revised Aspiration  ;D
They look like sapphires. I'm a sucker for blue, I'll get them regardless
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch - GB Opens on Sept. 24th
Post by: Git2Gether on Wed, 23 September 2020, 08:46:19
Where is Mech Land?  I can't google their site or find it anywhere?
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch - GB Opens on Sept. 24th
Post by: Curin Derwin on Wed, 23 September 2020, 23:49:44
Is it time!? :)  :D
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch - GB Opens on Sept. 24th
Post by: Ireojimayo on Thu, 24 September 2020, 01:02:06
Where is Mech Land?  I can't google their site or find it anywhere?

its mech.land
its linked in the reddit post and if youre wondering about the store itself the guy running it set up a channel in the wuque disc where you can ask him questions
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch - GB Opens on Sept. 24th
Post by: Ckeeb on Thu, 24 September 2020, 19:02:51
Where is Mech Land?  I can't google their site or find it anywhere?

its mech.land
its linked in the reddit post and if youre wondering about the store itself the guy running it set up a channel in the wuque disc where you can ask him questions

GB IS LIVE!!
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch - GB is live
Post by: EdgeOfInfinity on Thu, 24 September 2020, 23:32:06
awesome! should be in for at least 70
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch - GB is live
Post by: hottrout on Fri, 25 September 2020, 06:36:06
120 Ordered.  Looking forward to these.
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch - GB is live
Post by: BOOMISHOTYOU on Fri, 25 September 2020, 23:42:53
In for 220 as 110 per 1
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch - GB is live
Post by: Ckeeb on Sat, 03 October 2020, 09:28:38
120 Ordered.  Looking forward to these.

Will be sooner than you expect :))
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch - GB is live
Post by: Ckeeb on Sat, 03 October 2020, 09:30:12
120 Ordered.  Looking forward to these.

Will be sooner than you expect :))
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch - GB is live
Post by: hottrout on Wed, 25 November 2020, 09:08:23
Arrived today safe and well.  Looking forward to using these in a build soon.
Title: Re: [IC]Original Aspiration (OA) Switch - GB is live
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 10 December 2020, 14:50:21
Mine shipped over a week ago and died somewhere :(  The shipment hasn't moved since last Thursday.