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geekhack Community => Keyboards => Topic started by: mcbrite on Sun, 18 July 2010, 13:07:31
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Since the blacks feel a bit stiff to me, the reds should be ideal... Also for gaming use...
Anybody use reds for typing? How is it working for you?
I also heard about accidental key presses being a problem, are you experiencing any significant amount of those? As long as the keys require ANY discernible amount of force I can't really imagine that as being a real problem?
On the contrary, in theory, shouldn't a lighter switch type enable you to type at your fastest possible speed?
This post was typed in Colemak, on my second day learning it, at just over 10 words per minute.
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I'm typing on an MX11800 with "ghetto reds" right now. Ergonomics can be a pretty subjective thing. The reds are comfortable as hell for typing, and I may prefer them over browns. Linear switches are notoriously unpopular with typists, but the light-as-air nature of reds easily makes up for the lack of feel. Once you get used to them it's hard to go back.
Also, I type at my fastest with brown/red switches, there's no question about this.
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I would think if you are talking about theory, browns would be faster for typing than reds. I have ghetto reds also I think they are great, my daily driver.
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Would that 3494 you bought from eBay, as discussed in the relevant thread (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=10774) ?
If so, quite a few people might be interested in finding out if the item is up to the description :wink:
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Would that 3494 you bought from eBay, as discussed in the relevant thread (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=10774) ?
If so, quite a few people might be interested in finding out if the item is up to the description :wink:
Yes, though I was given the link on the overclock forum...
I'll report back, what exactly do you want to know?
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As you can see from the thread in the eBay finds forum, some people wonder if it's truely genuine.
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As you can see from the thread in the eBay finds forum, some people wonder if it's truely genuine.
What else would it be? I mean the dude is also selling razer mice and other stuff...
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IBM keyboards are better.
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IBM keyboards are better.
What a random comment... Especially without any explanation or justification...
Cats are better than dogs...
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He says that a lot. We think it's Tourette's syndrome.
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What a random comment... Especially without any explanation or justification...
Cats are better than dogs...
LIAR
dogs rule and cats drool. and IBM keyboards ARE better.
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Whatever... Just ruin my pretty little thread, why don't you... ;-D
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You got to get used to it, I'm afraid.
Regarding your "what else can it be" comment, no need to shoot the messenger, just go check the thread I linked.
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Regarding your "what else can it be" comment, no need to shoot the messenger, just go check the thread I linked.
I'm not shooting anybody....
I've read that entire thread like 4 times over the past days, even posted in it... I still don't see any reference to it being fake?
Also your protected via Paypal, so who gives a toss?
Having said that, they still haven't posted it, but said they'll do so by tomorrow morning... Not exactly the fastest shipping ever, but not terrible YET...
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there is a factory of 1535 chinese virgins who create copy cherry red keyboards, they only work on the 5th sunday of the month and use plastic made from oil scraped off the coast of florida. the location of the factory itself is only known by 2 other people worldwide, Oprah and Bill Gates. No discernable features can tell the genuine article from the fake unless you acid wash the case, where the fake has a piece of the last supper under the serial number. BUYER BEWARE.
(these are fake. shoot the messenger, he puts us in danger)
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there is a factory of 1535 chinese virgins who create copy cherry red keyboards, they only work on the 5th sunday of the month and use plastic made from oil scraped off the coast of florida. the location of the factory itself is only known by 2 other people worldwide, Oprah and Bill Gates. No discernable features can tell the genuine article from the fake unless you acid wash the case, where the fake has a piece of the last supper under the serial number. BUYER BEWARE.
(these are fake. shoot the messenger, he puts us in danger)
Well, if they go through THAT much trouble I wouldn't mind a fake... I pay for the function, not the name... :P
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Yeah - my problem with this is the guy's lack of english speaking clarity, who knows what you'll get. Cherry reds? Maybe. Double shots? Maybe. NKRO? Maybe not. Normal shaped enter key? Maybe. Black case or white case? Maybe.
It's a huge crapshoot, not at all worth it. Especially when you can make your own cherry red switches with a little effort and patience.
And what if you get the wrong keyboard? Well I'm sure the seller will be happy to refund your money... after you pay for shipping back to hong kong!
Concerns I do share, though I actually might take the plunge someday...
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Concerns I do share, though I actually might take the plunge someday...
Sure thing... I'm not positive either, BUT: Like I said:
eBay + Paypal = Buyer protection...
If it isn't exactly what I ordered I'll just tell them...
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Well, you'll be our very own guinea pig :wink:
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Well, you'll be our very own guinea pig :wink:
I aim to please! ;-)
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I gave in to temptation and ordered one. It'll be interesting to compare it to my Filcos.
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I gave in to temptation and ordered one. It'll be interesting to compare it to my Filcos.
Please let me know the second you get your tracking number/order confirmation, cause I still haven't gotten mine... I asked them, they said they'd do it by today, yet still nothing...
Thanks in advance, I'll keep you updated in return...
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Ok, just got confirmation of shipment... Also my g80 1851 Black Switch arrived! Now that's a nice keyboard... Good for playing and I like the small size WITH tenkeys... Naaaaice!
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:D 1800 layout.
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:D 1800 layout.
Yeah, the only thing I don't like is the Delete (also page up, down, pos1, end and so on) key being "bungled in" with all the other keys... I use it for deleting files all the time...
My 1800 keyboard may have blacks, but it's already a lot better to type on than my g15 gaming "keyboard"... :D
I sometimes catch myself writing more than I really have to just to be typing on it a bit longer, like this very sentence for example... ;-)
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I received a tracking number today as well. Probably post again after it arrives and I've played with it.
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I received a tracking number today as well. Probably post again after it arrives and I've played with it.
cool...
My guess is that they waited till they had a few orders and then buy it locally and ship it, so they don't have to do that every day for every single order...
Not exactly what I'm used to ordering on eBay, but if we payed THAT much just for a certain type of switch, we can certainly wait a few days for shipping... :D
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We will be very interested to here from you guys when you get them.
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cool...
My guess is that they waited till they had a few orders and then buy it locally and ship it, so they don't have to do that every day for every single order...
Not exactly what I'm used to ordering on eBay, but if we payed THAT much just for a certain type of switch, we can certainly wait a few days for shipping... :D
I'm curious not only about how the boards are, but also how long it takes them to get to your door. For the price of shipping, I would hope it would be pretty fast lol.
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Every time I have ordered something from HK, it takes about 1.5 - 2 weeks. Usually, it's something like a phone charger, so it's no big deal, but with a keyboard, the wait would kill me. I hate waiting a couple of days for something from elitekeyboards.
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pfft everything that comes to me takes 2weeks or longer..
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You're on IST (Island Standard Time). The earth seems to spin a little slower in that time zone.
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I've gotten things from Hong Kong faster than some in state stuff, but that was a wallet and a tie, so very light weight. I think the only way it could have been faster was if it had been in Chinatown for me to brick and mortar shop. I've had custom made stuff from China take about a week to make and a week to get here. I dunno, the sellers were good at communicating expectations and meeting them.
Yea, I'd expect a keyboard wouldn't be so fast, especially since we expect, they took some of the cost in the shipping, not that they're actually using all that money for shipping.
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I received it this afternoon. Haven't opened it yet. More later.
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5 days from tracking number, not bad. Looking forward to the rest of the details.
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Shipping/Packaging:
It was shipped HongKong post, and had 150 HKD(~20USD) postage on the package. Packaging consisted of wrapping the Cherry retail box in some waterproofish paper plus some string. A few corners were a bit crushed but the keyboard itself was no worse for wear.
I decided to try this one instead of buying another FKBN104M/EB since:
1. I'm using it on my new eyefinity setup, which will likely be used primarily for gaming.
2. Cherry Blacks always sounded a little heavy to me, though if I hadn't seen this I probably would've tried a FKBN104ML/EB.
3. One minor annoyance of my Filcos has been that they don't have enough of a bottom border to maintain optimum spacing between my double stacked wrist rests, and the keyboard. I should cut a thin strip of wood or something one of these days...
Verdict, It's a keeper:
1. It's noticeably lighter weight than the Filco, but it's rubber feet keep it in place on my desk, and it doesn't feel any "cheaper" to type on.
2. Reds vs browns, it's a subtle difference, but the lack of a "bump" before/at the actuation point, does feel nicer when gaming. For typing, the reds are slightly more reminiscent of rubber domes, but not nearly as mushy. They would be much harder to not bottom out all the time when typing.
I can't compare them to blacks, since I've never tried them. But the reds have enough resistance, that I don't think I'll be hitting keys by accident when resting my fingers on them.
4. I hooked it up with the PS/2 adapter and I can press, and hold any combination of keys and have them all register. So the NKRO works as advertised.
5. The extra bottom border definitely helps maintain better wrist rest spacing.
6. The writing on the keys feels raised above the surface of the key-tops. They don't appear to be double shots, I'm not sure what they are. It's almost like they used a really thick layer of plastic/paste to form the letters. Though if that were they case I'd think they'd eventually be in danger of wearing off? From what I read before buying, they're supposedly laser etched on this model?
I'll use it a few more days first, but I expect I'll be leaving positive feedback.
Pictures:
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=11892&stc=1&d=1280371521)
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=11891&stc=1&d=1280371521)
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Nice...looks like my G80-3000 except my logo is gold (not red) and the Chinese lettering on my keys. Mine is Cherry Blue switches. The feel of the keys as you described (laser etching) is also the same.
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Looks like shipping to you was about 7 days after placement of order? That aint bad. Where do you live, west coast? east coast?
Thanks for the review!!
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I'll use it a few more days first, but I expect I'll be leaving positive feedback.
Nice review...good to hear that shipping was fast. And nice computer setup! Liking the 3 monitors...
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Looks like shipping to you was about 7 days after placement of order? That aint bad. Where do you live, west coast? east coast?
I live in Ohio, which probably added a day or 2 from whichever west coast city it initially arrived at.
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Outofideas: Anything on your end yet??? Haven't received mine yet... Also the tracking number only tells me that it left HongKong at some date, nothing more...
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Outofideas: Anything on your end yet??? Haven't received mine yet... Also the tracking number only tells me that it left HongKong at some date, nothing more...
Maybe that means it's above the ocean right now :P
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Outofideas: Anything on your end yet??? Haven't received mine yet... Also the tracking number only tells me that it left HongKong at some date, nothing more...
Oh ****e, I haven't even read that you received yours yet!
Well, other chinese stuff takes like 2-4 weeks to get here, so I'm in for the long haul anyway... Meh...
Using a 2,50 Euro (!!! Like 3,5 Dollars) 1800 Cherry board with blacks right now that I'm actually very happy with! I bought 3 of them, just for the hell of it... :D
Thinking about it: That my have been a move of genius! I'll just take the GERMAN keys of one of those boards and put them on the red switches, voila, a german keyboard with cherry reds, most likely the only one in germany... :D
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well, I replace the brown stem and spring in G80-1865 with the red stem and spring in G80-3494 :)
Here I take a photo of the red stem and spring, so everyone can have a close look on them :wink:
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=12007&stc=1&d=1280972573)
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I am pretty sure that is the first red stem photo I have seen.
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The elusive red Cherry - and its even naked!
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Yeah, I think color is the only difference between red and black stems.
It's there any way to measure the spring? I can make a comparison of the red and brown springs :)
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I'd say the Cherry Brown Spring/Cherry Black Stem "Ghetto Red" is pretty close.
Does blue spring make that much of a difference, compared to brown ?
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Of course the Cherry Red looks hotter but you would need clear keys to appreciate that.
Now there's a good idea for ClickClack! Clear keys would be sweet...
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Mine arrived! Finally!
T'is what it looks like with the changed keys... I love the light feel of the keys! Best gaming keyboard I EVER used in like over 20 years now...
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=12015&d=1281017228)
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Those blue LED's look kind of out-of-place.
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Those blue LED's look kind of out-of-place.
Yeah, but I painted over them with black edding, they are a bit to bright for my taste... Now you can barely see them... Just enough to see them on or off...
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I'm curious about the keycaps.. If they're the thick/high quality cherry caps or what..
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Looks great! Good to know the seller is legit. Looks like these use lasered keys.
Does your label read...
Yes, the part-number is the exact same... But I don't think the keys are lasered... It's like some resin/paste-stuff was painted onto it and hardened... A blind person could probably feel the letters, so they are raised somewhat...
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Lasered keys tend to have a slight raised feel, which goes against the logic of expecting like I dunno, depressed. I think it is because the area lasered is scratchy. Although, it is also possible your keys aren't lasered.
Now there's a good idea for ClickClack! Clear keys would be sweet...
He already has - look at his ice keys. I'm sure he can do tinted transluscent or pure clear, since he managed the whole frosted look. They are sweet. So sweet, that I'm going to buy a keyboard I don't need, just because they're that awesome, when he gets around to selling them.
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Lasered keys tend to have a slight raised feel, which goes against the logic of expecting like I dunno, depressed. I think it is because the area lasered is scratchy. Although, it is also possible your keys aren't lasered.
He already has - look at his ice keys. I'm sure he can do tinted translucent or pure clear, since he managed the whole frosted look. They are sweet. So sweet, that I'm going to buy a keyboard I don't need, just because they're that awesome, when he gets around to selling them.
These are not lasered... Unless they are lasered and then filled with that gunk/resin/paste-stuff...
Imagine the letters are printed on with a VERY thick paint and then the paint is hardened...
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These are not lasered... Unless they are lasered and then filled with that gunk/resin/paste-stuff...
They are lasered. That is actually exactly what Cherry does for black keys. They are lasered and then filled with....something.
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They are lasered. That is actually exactly what Cherry does for black keys. They are lasered and then filled with....something.
Ah, cool to know...
In that case, people that are interested should be aware, that they certainly feel very different from any lasered key I ever felt...
PS: How the f*** do you US-guys deal with your Enter key? It's just way to small!?!? I hit all kinds of keys on my way to give it a kick bang...
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Since it's one key closer, usually I just hit it with my pinky from the home row...
After using the larger EU enter, I found myself getting a little bit lazy though.
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PS: How the f*** do you US-guys deal with your Enter key? It's just way to small!?!? I hit all kinds of keys on my way to give it a kick bang...
The advantage, as HaaTa put it, is that the ANSI enter key is available without having to wander away from J when you're touch-typing.
I don't touch-type, but it indeed doesn't seem too easy/time-efficient for ISO layouts when the enter key is so "far" (for regular people, with regular-sized hands, so to speak).
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PS: How the f*** do you US-guys deal with your Enter key? It's just way to small!?!? I hit all kinds of keys on my way to give it a kick bang...
You've unwittingly demonstrated why most people here dislike the European enter key - it's too big an out of the way. The ANSI one can be hit by moving your little finger over.
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I don't get why so many people hate the L-shaped enter key - my Key Tronic has one and IMO it makes it easier to hit from the home row with your pinky.
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We're talking about one like this -
(http://www.preater.com/modelm/images/model-m-front-large1.jpg)
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You've unwittingly demonstrated why most people here dislike the European enter key - it's too big an out of the way. The ANSI one can be hit by moving your little finger over.
Completely the opposite... It being bigger is FAR BETTER (because WAY easier to hit) than it being like 1cm closer... Haven't got used to it yet...
On the L-shaped I just "throw" my pinky in the direction and it will hit the Enter 100% of the time... With the closer, but smaller one I hit all kinds of buttons, mainly the \ button above the enter...
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It's bigger and thus easier to hit. But it has to be because you have to move your hand off the home row to hit it - it's one of those things were the advantage and disadvantage is inextricably linked. The whole point of the ANSI enter is that you don't have to move your hand to hit it.
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It's bigger and thus easier to hit. But it has to be because you have to move your hand off the home row to hit it - it's one of those things were the advantage and disadvantage is inextricably linked. The whole point of the ANSI enter is that you don't have to move your hand to hit it.
You must have small lady-hands or something... ;-) I don't have to move anything of the home row...
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No, not quite...
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Simple - we like the smaller Enter because backslash is where it belongs that way.
Riiight, because you need that way more often then the enter-key, now I totally get it!
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Even small hands can keep index on J and hit pinky to ISO enter. That doesn't mean that feels comfortable or natural. Wider > taller for hitting keys. If you've learned ansi, you're gonna hit \ instead of enter on iso and enter instead of \ at first. In some ways, the location of keys you use less has a greater impact on speed, especially, when the key isn't where your muscle memory says it is.
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You could swap springs and stick some....hmmm.....whatever coins on them and measure using Notepad when the letters appear. Compare results.
Finally, got the very precise comparison of the red and browse springs with the red stem.
They are the same, at least in my case :)
The brown spring:
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=12104&stc=1&d=1281591585)
The red spring:
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=12105&stc=1&d=1281591665)
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=12106&stc=1&d=1281591665)
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=12107&stc=1&d=1281591665)
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Testing switches :)
Since the red stem is nearly identical to black stem, and red spring is the same as the brown spring, I plan to buy a G80-1800LPCEU-0 to got the black switch and white pbt keys for my G80-1865.
Unluckily, the G80-1800LPCEU-0 is out of stock in China :)
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Blue springs are supposed to be similar to brown as well... do you have any you could compare the brown and red to ?
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Blue springs are supposed to be similar to brown as well... do you have any you could compare the brown and red to ?
I don't have blue spring, but they should be the same as the brown one :)
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I made a very amateur video of blue switches vs. red switches... may make another one with black, blue and red...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDFhDVg0wxg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDFhDVg0wxg)
Gimme a shout if you want a new one including the blacks also...
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It looks lasered to me. The non-bubbly font is a dead giveaway. Both the double-shot and pad-printed share the same, bubbly font.
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I can feel the lettering on my 3000 and SPOS.
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I made a very amateur video of blue switches vs. red switches... may make another one with black, blue and red...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDFhDVg0wxg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDFhDVg0wxg)
Gimme a shout if you want a new one including the blacks also...
hey mcbrite..
thx for the video :cheer2:
a comparison video between blacks,blues and reds would be very nice :typing:
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Just because I can feel the lettering on mine doesn't mean they can luck out and do it rite on occasion.
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Some of my laser cherry keys feel smooth and some have that raised scratchy feeling. I can feel it more on keys I use less, so even if they didn't get it right, over time the scratchiness goes away.
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It's cherries new lasered keys... They are first lasered and then filled with some sort of paste that gets very hard once it's cured...
Sensory sensation ranges from "can't feel it at all" to "a blind person could feel those letters and recognise them EASILY".
my red and my blue board BOTH have it, but it's more raised on the red board...
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I had heard that Cherry Corp's Lasered Key quality had gone down on the white/ivory keys but didn't know they also went down on the black ones.
Bummer.
I noticed the characters are thicker on the Black model.
(http://i35.tinypic.com/2hfjrcx.jpg)(http://i34.tinypic.com/2dwi6a1.jpg)
(http://i38.tinypic.com/20p8s5c.jpg)(http://i35.tinypic.com/2ztahjm.jpg)
(http://i37.tinypic.com/2samt02.jpg)(http://i36.tinypic.com/2ltsq3t.jpg)
(http://i36.tinypic.com/so96qv.jpg)(http://i34.tinypic.com/20t0ajd.jpg)
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I had heard that Cherry Corp's Lasered Key quality had gone down on the white/ivory keys but didn't know they also went down on the black ones.
Bummer.
I noticed the characters are thicker on the Black model.
(http://i35.tinypic.com/2hfjrcx.jpg)(http://i34.tinypic.com/2dwi6a1.jpg)
(http://i38.tinypic.com/20p8s5c.jpg)(http://i35.tinypic.com/2ztahjm.jpg)
(http://i37.tinypic.com/2samt02.jpg)(http://i36.tinypic.com/2ltsq3t.jpg)
(http://i36.tinypic.com/so96qv.jpg)(http://i34.tinypic.com/20t0ajd.jpg)
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(http://i34.tinypic.com/2rr44si.jpg)
the thickness for the loop on 6, 9 gets smaller but on the black model the thickness is uniform.
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I know babe. they look more laser etched in this one.
(http://i38.tinypic.com/98vjhs.jpg)
(http://i38.tinypic.com/ieh3df.jpg)
maybe the characters are thicker on the black model because the keycaps are POM or maybe because it's black I don't know.
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I know. they are without a doubt laser etched.
they look more laser etched in this one.
(http://i38.tinypic.com/98vjhs.jpg)
(http://i38.tinypic.com/ieh3df.jpg)
(http://i38.tinypic.com/24lifyh.jpg)
maybe the characters are thicker on the black model because the keycaps are POM or maybe because it's black I don't know.
is it possible Cherry is making them brighter?
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I had heard that Cherry Corp's Lasered Key quality had gone down on the white/ivory keys but didn't know they also went down on the black ones.
Bummer. The RicerCar SPOS keyboard has Cherry lasers that are flat as a pancake.
True, they're nicely smooth, if a little lacking in contrast.
This is on a recent G80-3000, shockingly bad by comparison:
edit: looks totally flat if lit differently:
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(http://3spades.net/dump/lets-do-coke.jpg)
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Yep! Really noticable to the touch, and painfully obvious on the cursor keys / numpad arrows, where the lines are thinner.
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Sorry if I necro this mofo... ;-D Only wanted to give an update:
Since this thread and buying the MX red board I've pretty much used nothing else, I love it! Typing, FPS, RTS, perfect for one and all! So much, that I'm thinking about buying a small form factor one or something similar.
If you're thinking about pulling the trigger on a red, don't hesitate!
PS: I wanted to buy a red KBC poker, but I can't seem to find it anymore... Anybody know where I can get one or one very similar to it? Cheers guys!
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Sorry if I necro this mofo... ;-D Only wanted to give an update:
Since this thread and buying the MX red board I've pretty much used nothing else, I love it! Typing, FPS, RTS, perfect for one and all! So much, that I'm thinking about buying a small form factor one or something similar.
If you're thinking about pulling the trigger on a red, don't hesitate!
PS: I wanted to buy a red KBC poker, but I can't seem to find it anymore... Anybody know where I can get one or one very similar to it? Cheers guys!
Member p.s. recently indicated that he should be getting another shipment of Pokers in soon. Some of each switch type. Keep an eye on the classifieds or PM him to see if he has an ETA.