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Title: [IC] GMK Hinokoku
Post by: GingGing on Wed, 07 October 2020, 14:14:41
(https://i.imgur.com/k2vhfGn.jpg)
Welcome to the interest check for GMK Hinokoku
Introduction:
GMK Hinokoku is a keycap set inspired by the fire nation from Avatar the Last Airbender. The name itself translates to "Fire Nation" in Japanese. It tries to capture the vibe of the Fire Nation from the show with the same color scheme of the clothes they wear, which is dark red modifiers, light red alphas, and yellow legends and accents. Additionally, the novelties which are designed by Ulliam have some cool icons
inspired by the show including the royal hairpiece that Prince Zuko wears. It will be cherry profile and contains colors from the RAL color set which are displayed below. Please let us know what you think about the key set and leave your thoughts below!


Kits:
Base kit:
(https://i.imgur.com/MECZcZN.jpg)
Contains compatibility for the following: 60%, 65%, 75%, TKL, 95% Full sized.
Also includes compatibility for HHKB with extra keys to support more layouts and form factors within those sizes.

Hiragana Alphas:
(https://i.imgur.com/4S45URB.jpg)
Add these to your base kit for a nice Japanese vibe.

Spacebars:
(https://i.imgur.com/DB9RAE9.jpg)
Add these on if you want some extra compatibility for the layout you are using, especially good for Alice Layouts

Novelties by Ulliam:
(https://i.imgur.com/x8gC6C3.jpg)
These novelties designed by Ulliam can add a great finishing touch to your build by including some clean icons inspired by the show such as Zuko's scarred eye or his royal hairpiece.

Matching Deskmats:
(https://i.imgur.com/9p9QOho.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/sAOyC0b.png)
Choose between two fantastic desk mats that perfectly match the keyset! The first one has art of the original fire-benders, and the second the Chinese character for fire.

More Info

IC Form:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1T0kIcosoii5peT4opri9gfpyNSoJVs1IdUzBY0UPMXY/edit (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1T0kIcosoii5peT4opri9gfpyNSoJVs1IdUzBY0UPMXY/edit)
Fill out the form and let us know what you like and what we can improve on!

Colors Used:
(https://i.imgur.com/jFNYqOa.jpg)

Vendors
At the moment we are still in the IC phase of this Group Buy, but we should be able to pitch to some vendors soon!


Board Render:
(http://blob:https://imgur.com/3962f7d0-4fd9-4d27-ae34-19e31095683c)
(https://i.imgur.com/0yrq4hJ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ahHjXcD.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/QjgkCnn.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: frostykoala on Wed, 07 October 2020, 14:15:17
reserved
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: huey on Wed, 07 October 2020, 14:21:38
brb, grabbing my popcorn.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: HoodrowThrillson on Wed, 07 October 2020, 14:24:48
brb, grabbing my popcorn.
want some of mine?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: Lil on Wed, 07 October 2020, 14:25:36
[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: bbrian122 on Wed, 07 October 2020, 14:27:12
A fire nation is going to attack
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: elmo on Wed, 07 October 2020, 14:27:15
this is basically KAT Explosion in GMK
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: huey on Wed, 07 October 2020, 14:27:40
brb, grabbing my popcorn.
want some of mine?
(https://images.freeimages.com/images/premium/previews/3709/3709542-taking-some-popcorn.jpg)

hey man, thanks!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: nu_types on Wed, 07 October 2020, 14:28:07
brb, grabbing my popcorn.
want some of mine?
I'll take some
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: Vaiur on Wed, 07 October 2020, 14:32:44
Let me get some of that popcorn
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: DrHigsby on Wed, 07 October 2020, 14:33:27
You guys have popcorn??
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: beigeandbrown on Wed, 07 October 2020, 14:34:41
gmk red dragon explosion
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: Anthixious on Wed, 07 October 2020, 14:35:28
Ah yes, of course right after the completion of KAT Mizu. Everything was fine.....but, everything changed when the Fire Nation attacked.

Super excited for this set. I'm pretty sure I'll have a few pointers along the way as I'm an Avatar watcher myself :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: yoniwolf1202 on Wed, 07 October 2020, 14:36:00
I have M&Ms if that's your thing.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: xNoodles on Wed, 07 October 2020, 14:39:14
GMK Explosion? I'm down
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: dededecline on Wed, 07 October 2020, 14:39:26
You popcorn lovers are missing out on some amazing flaming fire flakes
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: yui_ on Wed, 07 October 2020, 14:39:34
i love megumin but not comfy buying kat, so i had to pass on kat explosion. glad that i'll be able to get that same colour way in gmk. glwic.
~~
:popcorn:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: KuroTheCrazy on Wed, 07 October 2020, 14:40:42
idk it looks really close to gmk olivia++ to me
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: Blastoise on Wed, 07 October 2020, 14:40:52
IMO this is better than the gmk red dragon. Auto pickup
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: keyrinn on Wed, 07 October 2020, 14:41:43
Wow, what an original set. Really distinguishes itself from anything else out there, I have absolutely never seen an IC quite this unique before. I applaud you for your creativity, as I'm sure everything about this was completely your own idea.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: SenseiJia on Wed, 07 October 2020, 14:42:11
You popcorn lovers are missing out on some amazing flaming fire flakes
Flameo Hotman
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: Regret on Wed, 07 October 2020, 14:44:26
gmk wang fire
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: navierwasstoked on Wed, 07 October 2020, 14:45:53
Wow it's really cool knowing that Rensuya decided to go with GMK Explosion /s
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: ddrfraser1 on Wed, 07 October 2020, 14:48:14
And what's with the 2 threads?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: bisoromi on Wed, 07 October 2020, 14:48:23
I feel like similar colorways already exist, but I guess that hasn't stopped a group buy before
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: KebinPls on Wed, 07 October 2020, 14:49:50
oh hey, it's KAT explosion. guess we're really all out of ideas
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: ebastler on Wed, 07 October 2020, 14:50:42
i love megumin

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f6/b1/3c/f6b13ce59168ccf8bf189446f4204a96.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: of_sam on Wed, 07 October 2020, 14:51:03
(Attachment Link)
Oh look, the better renders are here!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: Hugs94 on Wed, 07 October 2020, 14:52:27
I needed some of this fire for my popcorn
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: depletedvespene on Wed, 07 October 2020, 14:52:41
GMK POPCORN is soon to come.

GMK POPCORN, however, won't use broken bars to represent vertical bars.  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: Xerpocalypse on Wed, 07 October 2020, 14:55:35
For anyone reading this who might be thinking "wow I should make an IC as well!" please consider making (considerably) more than two posts on the forum, doing some research, and getting to know the culture before you just post an interest check for something you intend to make a commercial product...

Something something this looks very similar to GMK Red Samurai and a certain KAT keyset so that might affect your market size
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: aadk5 on Wed, 07 October 2020, 14:59:30
You popcorn lovers are missing out on some amazing flaming fire flakes

Flamey-o hotman
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: Raging Panda on Wed, 07 October 2020, 15:05:24
Hmmm
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: cloudtastrophe on Wed, 07 October 2020, 15:12:19
whats with all the negativity?

it obviously took this person a lot of time to put together this interest check. I dont see the issue with similar colored sets. The KAT Explosion set was clearly geared towards megumin fansand this set was clearly inspired by avatar and the novelties reflect that. I bought the kat explosion set and if this goes to gb id probably grab this one since in my honest opinion GMK Red Dragon fails to deliver. actually im not even sure if that set is based on avatar. this set however is much closer in theme with GMK Mizu with colors that match the animated series so I could see it being part of that "collection".

Also KAT vs Cherry etc.

Id love it if this set hit GB. Some people are just very close minded. Every keycap set has a theme that it calls home to. If im a fan of avatar id rather have a set that was based on it originally than to try and pass off a megumin set as being "fire nation" colors ya know? its the novelty of it all. When it comes to sets based on animated characters, theres only so many good looking color combinations available anyway. dont let peoples' negativity stop you. id be more worried about copyrights/licensing tbh
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: ddrfraser1 on Wed, 07 October 2020, 15:12:39
i love megumin

Show Image
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f6/b1/3c/f6b13ce59168ccf8bf189446f4204a96.jpg)


I spat my drink out
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: elmo on Wed, 07 October 2020, 15:17:10
whats with all the negativity?

it obviously took this person a lot of time to put together this interest check. I dont see the issue with similar colored sets. The KAT Explosion set was clearly geared towards megumin fansand this set was clearly inspired by avatar and the novelties reflect that. I bought the kat explosion set and if this goes to gb id probably grab this one since in my honest opinion GMK Red Dragon fails to deliver. actually im not even sure if that set is based on avatar. this set however is much closer in theme with GMK Mizu with colors that match the animated series so I could see it being part of that "collection".

Also KAT vs Cherry etc.

Id love it if this set hit GB. Some people are just very close minded. Every keycap set has a theme that it calls home to. If im a fan of avatar id rather have a set that was based on it originally than to try and pass off a megumin set as being "fire nation" colors ya know? its the novelty of it all. When it comes to sets based on animated characters, theres only so many good looking color combinations available anyway. dont let peoples' negativity stop you. id be more worried about copyrights/licensing tbh

The problem is that it:

1. Copied the colorway of KAT Explosion pretty much 1 to 1
2. Uses a (most likely) copyrighted name without having any licensing from Nickelodeon
3. This is far from a fleshed out IC. The basekit render has a ton of errors and there are no real kits whatsoever.
4. The person made an account just for posting this IC (twice by the way) so it's unlikely that they spent "a ton of time" to make this.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: Sabin on Wed, 07 October 2020, 15:18:46
I've seen this colour scheme too many times
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: ddrfraser1 on Wed, 07 October 2020, 15:24:10
I like how there are no survey options to select in the IC, just a text box for comments  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: dededecline on Wed, 07 October 2020, 15:34:52
I like how there are no survey options to select in the IC, just a text box for comments  :thumb:

They must have just changed it, there were questions before about which kits you want and if you want collabs like a BBOX60 or Nano Slider to go with the set
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: chriszhu on Wed, 07 October 2020, 15:39:16
RIP
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: eczactly on Wed, 07 October 2020, 15:40:21

2. Uses a (most likely) copyrighted name without having any licensing from Nickelodeon


did Rise get a permission to run with the name from Nick, or did he get a licensing agreement with them?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: Raravin on Wed, 07 October 2020, 15:44:32

2. Uses a (most likely) copyrighted name without having any licensing from Nickelodeon


did Rise get a permission to run with the name from Nick, or did he get a licensing agreement with them?

If mean Ren, he doesn't use copy righted names it's red dragon
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: eskimojo on Wed, 07 October 2020, 15:49:34
The problem is that it:
1. Copied the colorway of KAT Explosion pretty much 1 to 1
Turns out fire and explosion based characters have similar colours, who knew?
(https://i.redd.it/gd73htablk231.jpg)

2. Uses a (most likely) copyrighted name without having any licensing from Nickelodeon
3. This is far from a fleshed out IC. The basekit render has a ton of errors and there are no real kits whatsoever.
Agreed. (Board renders would be nice - in its current state I can't add it to KeycapLendar)

4. The person made an account just for posting this IC (twice by the way) so it's unlikely that they spent "a ton of time" to make this.
This was posted on Reddit on the 22nd of July (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/hvwa76/check_out_this_interest_check_for_gmk_firenation/) and the 23rd of August (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/if5vwu/checkout_the_gmk_firenation_updated_interest/). I don't think activity on Geekhack specifically should be used as an indicator on how much effort has been put into a set.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: JiiA on Wed, 07 October 2020, 16:02:16
gmk wang fire

and then r2 electric boogaloo can be called gmk sapphire fire!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: fishbiscuit13 on Wed, 07 October 2020, 16:05:29
I like how there are no survey options to select in the IC, just a text box for comments  :thumb:

They must have just changed it, there were questions before about which kits you want and if you want collabs like a BBOX60 or Nano Slider to go with the set

I'm sure they've already gotten approval from Buger and Keebwerk for that, just like all the other preparation that went into this joke.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: Tyson on Wed, 07 October 2020, 16:08:04
whats with all the negativity?

it obviously took this person a lot of time to put together this interest check. I dont see the issue with similar colored sets. The KAT Explosion set was clearly geared towards megumin fansand this set was clearly inspired by avatar and the novelties reflect that. I bought the kat explosion set and if this goes to gb id probably grab this one since in my honest opinion GMK Red Dragon fails to deliver. actually im not even sure if that set is based on avatar. this set however is much closer in theme with GMK Mizu with colors that match the animated series so I could see it being part of that "collection".

Also KAT vs Cherry etc.

Id love it if this set hit GB. Some people are just very close minded. Every keycap set has a theme that it calls home to. If im a fan of avatar id rather have a set that was based on it originally than to try and pass off a megumin set as being "fire nation" colors ya know? its the novelty of it all. When it comes to sets based on animated characters, theres only so many good looking color combinations available anyway. dont let peoples' negativity stop you. id be more worried about copyrights/licensing tbh

The problem is that it:

1. Copied the colorway of KAT Explosion pretty much 1 to 1
2. Uses a (most likely) copyrighted name without having any licensing from Nickelodeon
3. This is far from a fleshed out IC. The basekit render has a ton of errors and there are no real kits whatsoever.
4. The person made an account just for posting this IC (twice by the way) so it's unlikely that they spent "a ton of time" to make this.

I don't agree with comparing the posts from Reddit and Geekhack, as both places are wildly different, one is geared towards the general public, while the other is geared towards the more in depth keyboard community.

But, more points that could be made,
5. No communication with Rensuya at all to hash things out with the colorway.
6. Deciding to IC this during the GMK Red Dragon group buy month.

I don't see anything wrong with another Fire Nation theme, but like I feel as if you probably should have worked on the colorway to distinguish it from any other colorway out there. Making it the same colors that were used by Rensuya for KAT Explosion in the exact same way then just calling it GMK Fire Nation when Rensuya is running GMK Red Dragon makes me believe that his designs influenced you in a way. I could be totally wrong though, there has been times where someone new in the community makes something that has already been designed.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: yicaoyimu on Wed, 07 October 2020, 16:18:53
idk it looks really close to gmk olivia++ to me

Looks the same as GMK Minimal to me.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: Rebral on Wed, 07 October 2020, 16:24:18
Oh boy, those colors.

Oh boy, this whole thread.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: eskimojo on Wed, 07 October 2020, 16:25:35
Making it the same colors that were used by Rensuya for KAT Explosion in the exact same way then just calling it GMK Fire Nation when Rensuya is running GMK Red Dragon makes me believe that his designs influenced you in a way. I could be totally wrong though, there has been times where someone new in the community makes something that has already been designed.

(https://i.imgur.com/jFNYqOa.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/jh8mtKK.png)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: Allkchi on Wed, 07 October 2020, 16:38:51
I'm not saying it's not similar, but just eyeballing these two sets there is an obvious similarity. That being said, they're still different colorways. The general theme/feel is the same, but those are different colors even to my terrible eyes. The IC does say it's super early days, but the biggest issues that need to be cleared up are speaking with the creator of Explosion since it's close and getting their blessing AND changing the damn title. Copyright about to smite this IC.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: GingGing on Wed, 07 October 2020, 16:42:17
Hello All,
Unfortunately, we have received a lot of feedback on our keycap set, a lot of it being negative. A lot of people share the thought that we have directly copied the colors from KAT Explosion. When designing the set, we had this issue and tried to differentiate the colors enough, but clearly you guys think it's still too similar. Additionally, many of you think that we are at odds with Rensuya for IC'ing this keycap set when his GMK Red Dragon set is in taking preorders at the same time. Personally, I think that our keycap sets are different enough that we don't compete with him, and I don't think that we will be taking away any business from him, and if we do that was not the intention. Finally, there has been some concern with Nickelodeon coming down on us for Copyright terms. As for that, we emailed their Copyright team a couple days ago before this IC was posted and they still haven't gotten back to us but we will continue to follow up. With all of this said, we are going to work on these issues and try our best to solve them, and thanks for the constructive criticism!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fire Nation
Post by: 002_GT on Wed, 07 October 2020, 17:44:04
For anyone reading this who might be thinking "wow I should make an IC as well!" please consider making (considerably) more than two posts on the forum, doing some research, and getting to know the culture before you just post an interest check for something you intend to make a commercial product...

Something something this looks very similar to GMK Red Samurai and a certain KAT keyset so that might affect your market size

this tbh ^
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Hinokoku
Post by: beigeandbrown on Wed, 07 October 2020, 17:59:02
I'm normally the guy hating on people for guarding color ways and ideas. But this set isn't simple enough to get away from that attack. For example, I think white on blue is very broad, so blue space cadet and striker shouldn't really have any conflicts because of how incredibly encompassing that color way is. But this color way is so specific in the maroon alphas and dark maroon mods with the sort of golden rod yellow legends. It's alpha kit is so incredibly similar to gmk samurai (even down to sublegends), that this might as well just be a modifier add on kit. I think if you want to do something fire bending related you could do an inverse of the alphas to represent the sun warriors. You could do maroon and navy mods to represent the dragon masters. Or you could even do an azula based set that is blue with some sort of red to represent her fire.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Hinokoku
Post by: GaNeBaL on Wed, 07 October 2020, 18:12:31
 :blank:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Hinokoku
Post by: zekth on Wed, 07 October 2020, 18:33:03
Am i the only one noticing the 2 stepped caps lock?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Hinokoku
Post by: DrHigsby on Wed, 07 October 2020, 19:16:21
Am i the only one noticing the 2 stepped caps lock?

Very important to have "Caps" and

"Caps
Lock"

Very important.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Hinokoku
Post by: depletedvespene on Wed, 07 October 2020, 19:47:42
Am i the only one noticing the 2 stepped caps lock?

Very important to have "Caps" and

"Caps
Lock"

Very important.


As a member of the generic "Lock" legend camp, I feel left out and discriminated against.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Hinokoku
Post by: GingGing on Wed, 07 October 2020, 20:07:47
That was just a small error with the kitting, that our renderer has now corrected!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Hinokoku
Post by: Plopmk on Wed, 07 October 2020, 22:51:09
Please whatever you do, do not change the colors. The set is similar to KAT Explosion at first glance but is different when you take a closer look. People need to understand that these are just renders, the final product is going to look completely different.
On another note, with all due respect to Rensuya, this is a way better fire nation set than GMK Redragon, and there are so many colors you can use to fit the theme he's going for.
I love this set and you should keep it, I'm putting this on my board.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Hinokoku
Post by: totalemon on Wed, 07 October 2020, 23:24:37
I like the look of the dragon deskmat a lot, but I agree that the kits need more work so that they stand apart from others. That being said, I don't think there have been any GMK kits with this exact colour palette, and I'm definitely onboard if the other issues are sorted out.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Hinokoku
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 07 October 2020, 23:33:04
gmk redder dragon

novelties lit tho i'll always simp for ulliam
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Hinokoku
Post by: Auxo on Thu, 08 October 2020, 00:30:09
People need to understand that these are just renders, the final product is are to look completely different.

Uhh
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Hinokoku
Post by: Xerpocalypse on Thu, 08 October 2020, 02:13:42
Please whatever you do, do not change the colors. The set is similar to KAT Explosion at first glance but is different when you take a closer look. People need to understand that these are just renders, the final product is are to look completely different.

What happened to making your final renders look as close to the product as humanly possible? (Assuming of course that the quality of the renders increases, which isn't out of the ordinary from the start to the end of an IC.) Simply saying that the final product will look different without any evidence to support that statement or replacement renders is highly concerning.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Hinokoku
Post by: Hugs94 on Thu, 08 October 2020, 02:16:36
Please whatever you do, do not change the colors. The set is similar to KAT Explosion at first glance but is different when you take a closer look. People need to understand that these are just renders, the final product is are to look completely different.

How do I, or anyone else trust your ePBT RamenStop renders then?

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Hinokoku
Post by: SMOKEY on Thu, 08 October 2020, 02:30:49
That was just a small error with the kitting, that our renderer has now corrected!

Don't tell me render-man is back  :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Hinokoku
Post by: Plopmk on Thu, 08 October 2020, 03:27:53

How do I, or anyone else trust your ePBT RamenStop renders then?
[/quote]
 
Nebulant color matches my sets.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Hinokoku
Post by: ttom on Thu, 08 October 2020, 04:13:59
Quote
How do I, or anyone else trust your ePBT RamenStop renders then?

Nebulant color matches my sets.

matching physical colours to sample caps for an end product has nothing to do with the accuracy of your renders lol
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Hinokoku
Post by: Plopmk on Thu, 08 October 2020, 10:08:13


matching physical colours to sample caps for an end product has nothing to do with the accuracy of your renders lol
[/quote]

I agree, but I also use physical colors and an srgb monitor to get an accurate representation of the final product. Also honestly I agree about this set looking like Kat Explosion, I'm just really salty about gmk red dragon.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Hinokoku
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 08 October 2020, 11:54:35
Quote
how can i trust a man who doesn't even know how to quote on GH properly
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Hinokoku
Post by: Techlet on Thu, 08 October 2020, 13:46:10
Isn't sRGB the bog standard for consumer monitors?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Hinokoku
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Thu, 08 October 2020, 16:08:45
Isn't sRGB the bog standard for consumer monitors?

Yes, but that's not particularly relevant to color-matching a physical product.  Even a well-calibrated monitor can't always accurately replicate the exact color of a physical object.

There are decent hexes provided by RAL and Pantone for doing a baseline simulation of the color, and that's what most designers should use as a starting point. Ultimately though, the renders should always be treated as simulations of the standards, not the standards themselves. Whenever possible, designers should be transparent about those standards during the GB process.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Hinokoku
Post by: Tika on Thu, 08 October 2020, 18:30:38
This thread is getting boring, im changing the channel.
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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Hinokoku
Post by: Owl on Thu, 08 October 2020, 20:02:19
It's fine. This is not unlike the designers/artists who get inspired by waifus and copy/paste colors from their favorite show into a KLE. Which as long as that designer/artist gets to it first, the community goes nuts over it. Two different people can be inspired by the same thing and have their own interpretation, as we see here.

The colors, kitting, novelties, mats, ect are not exactly the same as anything else. They are close, sure, but close does not constitute an uproar.

People only talk about "respecting" intellectual property when it's a company that will actually care about it's use. I don't think I have ever seen anyone concerned about respecting IP in a weeb set. Did anyone reach out to Kadokawa Shoten or Madman Entertainment for KAT explosion? I have a lot of respect for Ren and have given them a LOT of my money lol, but it makes absolutely no sense to ask Ren for their blessing to use a color way that was adopted from an already existing IP.

And I don't know how you can think it's scummy to post this when Red Dragon is running. They are both based off of the same unoriginal idea. It's about as scummy as running Red Dragon while ATLA and Legend of Korra are still airing on Netflix lol.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Hinokoku
Post by: Psyoshi on Thu, 08 October 2020, 22:58:54
It's fine. This is not unlike the designers/artists who get inspired by waifus and copy/paste colors from their favorite show into a KLE. Which as long as that designer/artist gets to it first, the community goes nuts over it. Two different people can be inspired by the same thing and have their own interpretation, as we see here.

The colors, kitting, novelties, mats, ect are not exactly the same as anything else. They are close, sure, but close does not constitute an uproar.

People only talk about "respecting" intellectual property when it's a company that will actually care about it's use. I don't think I have ever seen anyone concerned about respecting IP in a weeb set. Did anyone reach out to Kadokawa Shoten or Madman Entertainment for KAT explosion? I have a lot of respect for Ren and have given them a LOT of my money lol, but it makes absolutely no sense to ask Ren for their blessing to use a color way that was adopted from an already existing IP.

And I don't know how you can think it's scummy to post this when Red Dragon is running. They are both based off of the same unoriginal idea. It's about as scummy as running Red Dragon while ATLA and Legend of Korra are still airing on Netflix lol.

Japanese fan-art laws basically allow for anything that isn't in direct competition to a product in a market they sell. US copyright on the other hand is a far more tricky slope and even some characters/places/names/imagery can be copyrighted. With that said "Fire Nation" is a generic term and likely has no trade mark or copyright in place. I agree though with others it definitely feels inspired by Rensuya, and dropping the IC now when it could have waited 2 weeks or so for it to end preorder, potentially distracting prospective buyers. That can feel like a low blow especially when the similarities are there. Just in poor taste on timing and the colorway layout comparisons with Explosion is on the nose. With that said, it has potential to be good but maybe jumped the gun. Look forward to seeing the changes cause red dragon was not my cup of tea.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Hinokoku
Post by: SakuraPhoenix on Sun, 25 October 2020, 09:45:17
I liek
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Hinokoku
Post by: Ravenoxidal on Fri, 20 November 2020, 22:37:59
Really don't understand the comment from some people lmao. Yes, it may be similar to KAT Explosion, but both of the sets are based on a different theme anyway. Definitely loving this a lot more than red dragon as well. Sure the timing of the IC may not be the greatest, but it doesn't really bother me, since I think this set is more suiting than red dragon anyway. If anyone were to go for this set over the other, it's only because this is the better set. Why pour money on a set which is only mediocre to you, when you can get a better set anyway.

Also, do people actually own certain clw now? Lmao.

Fan of avatar so would like to see how this one progresses! Good luck!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Hinokoku
Post by: Hdjekso on Fri, 20 November 2020, 22:43:05
nice, GMK Explosion
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Hinokoku
Post by: donny_pete on Fri, 20 November 2020, 23:23:13
It may just be me, but I feel like I keep seeing these three same colors being used in just different variations
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Hinokoku
Post by: Tyson on Thu, 28 January 2021, 00:18:22
Was looking on Keycaplender and noticed that this has a GB date of March 8th through April 8th. Is this actually running? There isn't any info on vendors?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Hinokoku
Post by: vladimir108 on Sat, 06 February 2021, 11:55:18
Hello, in thread "GMK Beta" was published update of basic Latin/Hiragana GMK keycaps from Zambumon:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=108290.msg3009840#msg3009840 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=108290.msg3009840#msg3009840)
Zambumon_GMK_Hiragana_Latin_RFC.pdf  https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=108290.0;attach=261369 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=108290.0;attach=261369)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Hinokoku
Post by: eskimojo on Thu, 04 March 2021, 04:09:44
Was looking on Keycaplender and noticed that this has a GB date of March 8th through April 8th. Is this actually running? There isn't any info on vendors?

That date was from MyKeyboard's calendar (https://calendar.mykeyboard.eu/calendar/). Clearly the runner has neglected to update the GH thread.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Hinokoku
Post by: yh on Thu, 04 March 2021, 04:49:29
It’s very obvious something is wrong here. Particularly about not contacting rensuya. You may think your colours are “different enough” but thats coming from YOU. Clearly almost everyone else disagrees here. Ignoring all other points made, the clear lack of understanding towards how things work here is appalling to me.
Your account was registered since 8 May 2020 and you have only 4 posts till today. The comments from eski and Tyson have reinforced the fact that there is a inherent disregard and blatant disrespect for how anything works here. You can be as polite as you want in your responses, but your actions are speaking louder than your words right now.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Hinokoku
Post by: eskimojo on Thu, 04 March 2021, 09:46:44
It’s very obvious something is wrong here. Particularly about not contacting rensuya. You may think your colours are “different enough” but thats coming from YOU. Clearly almost everyone else disagrees here. Ignoring all other points made, the clear lack of understanding towards how things work here is appalling to me.
Your account was registered since 8 May 2020 and you have only 4 posts till today. The comments from eski and Tyson have reinforced the fact that there is a inherent disregard and blatant disrespect for how anything works here. You can be as polite as you want in your responses, but your actions are speaking louder than your words right now.
I mean, I'd personally argue that the lack of updates from the designer is a far bigger issue than who "owns" the colours.

The designer's Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/user/TeeboardsCo123/posts/) account hasn't posted anything about the set since October either, so not a good sign.

I'll get in contact with MyKeyboard and see if the GB is still set to go on the 8th.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Hinokoku
Post by: elmo on Thu, 11 March 2021, 04:29:24
So apparently this set is in groupbuy now on Kono.store?

How is this possible with the recent IP issues with GMK and absolutely no update from the op whatsoever?

Tbh this is more than just a bit shady... :confused:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Hinokoku
Post by: dandruff on Thu, 11 March 2021, 05:46:11
Well, this was out of nowhere... how did this happen?

Also, it is now being run by https://teeboards.co/pages/gmk-hinokoku (https://teeboards.co/pages/gmk-hinokoku)? (courtesy of MLee from MechGroupBuys :-*)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Hinokoku
Post by: vladimir108 on Thu, 11 March 2021, 07:41:37
Hello, in thread "GMK Beta" was published update of basic Latin/Hiragana GMK keycaps from Zambumon:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=108290.msg3009840#msg3009840 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=108290.msg3009840#msg3009840)
Zambumon_GMK_Hiragana_Latin_RFC.pdf  https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=108290.0;attach=261369 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=108290.0;attach=261369)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Hinokoku
Post by: Tyson on Thu, 11 March 2021, 08:54:31
Hello, in thread "GMK Beta" was published update of basic Latin/Hiragana GMK keycaps from Zambumon:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=108290.msg3009840#msg3009840 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=108290.msg3009840#msg3009840)
Zambumon_GMK_Hiragana_Latin_RFC.pdf  https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=108290.0;attach=261369 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=108290.0;attach=261369)

You've posted this a few times bud, this sets already in GB, there's no way they are going to listen to you at this stage, I mean there really was no way they were going to listen to anyone in the first place. This set was bound to end up on Kono...
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Hinokoku
Post by: givemeyourshoes on Thu, 11 March 2021, 16:02:32
@GMK_Andy come on....What the hell is this and why is it moving forward in GB?  Y'all just posted about how sets with IP can't run any longer.  I could have missed it, but did the designer or Kono provide proof of permission to use these novelties?  They are litterallly traced from items in the show!!!  Was this set licenses?  Given the cost I doubt it.  Can GMK please please please confirm what guidelines are used to decide when a set can and can't run?  This set is super close to GMK Red Dragon, and damn near a copy of KAT Explosion.  It seems fine for you to run this, but Retrowave was cancelled at first because it was "similar to Laser"  If it really does just boil down to what sets will sell better, or what vendor has better lawyers, tell us.  We can at least give you points for transparency and move forward. 
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Hinokoku
Post by: Langelandia on Thu, 11 March 2021, 16:04:45
@GMK_Andy come on....What the hell is this and why is it moving forward in GB?  Y'all just posted about how sets with IP can't run any longer.  I could have missed it, but did the designer or Kono provide proof of permission to use these novelties?  They are litterallly traced from items in the show!!!  Was this set licenses?  Given the cost I doubt it.  Can GMK please please please confirm what guidelines are used to decide when a set can and can't run?  This set is super close to GMK Red Dragon, and damn near a copy of KAT Explosion.  It seems fine for you to run this, but Retrowave was cancelled at first because it was "similar to Laser"  If it really does just boil down to what sets will sell better, or what vendor has better lawyers, tell us.  We can at least give you points for transparency and move forward.
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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Hinokoku
Post by: newbie on Thu, 11 March 2021, 20:16:29
Lmao, not to pile on, but if you go to OP's profile it looks like they recently just commented on a bunch of random stuff on random threads today to pad their post count