Post by: Error213 on Sun, 18 October 2020, 19:18:25
Post by: Sup on Sun, 18 October 2020, 19:22:34
Post by: Error213 on Sun, 18 October 2020, 19:26:09
Until you try it no one knows :). Its all personal preference i had multiple Topre boards in my time 87U Japanese 87U HHKB Pro 2 multiple HHKB Pro 1. And now i am still typing on a MX board so that says something. Sold all my Topre expect my HHKB Pro 1 for collection purposes.hm, well I see people like that Leopold board, I wanna get into tactiles and as embarrassing as it is my favorite tactile is mx browns, is there anything similar to that. Idk if I want to take a gamble on a 225$ keeb
Post by: Sup on Sun, 18 October 2020, 19:33:02
Until you try it no one knows :). Its all personal preference i had multiple Topre boards in my time 87U Japanese 87U HHKB Pro 2 multiple HHKB Pro 1. And now i am still typing on a MX board so that says something. Sold all my Topre expect my HHKB Pro 1 for collection purposes.hm, well I see people like that Leopold board, I wanna get into tactiles and as embarrassing as it is my favorite tactile is mx browns, is there anything similar to that. Idk if I want to take a gamble on a 225$ keeb
MX and Topre are two type of different beast in key feel no MX switch will feel like a Topre. So its hard to say the similarities between brown switches and Topre switches. But Topre is way closer to feel like a rubber dome but it actually feels nice and pleasant to type on for a long time.
Post by: Error213 on Sun, 18 October 2020, 20:30:36
sorry I just meant Mx at that pointUntil you try it no one knows :). Its all personal preference i had multiple Topre boards in my time 87U Japanese 87U HHKB Pro 2 multiple HHKB Pro 1. And now i am still typing on a MX board so that says something. Sold all my Topre expect my HHKB Pro 1 for collection purposes.hm, well I see people like that Leopold board, I wanna get into tactiles and as embarrassing as it is my favorite tactile is mx browns, is there anything similar to that. Idk if I want to take a gamble on a 225$ keeb
MX and Topre are two type of different beast in key feel no MX switch will feel like a Topre. So its hard to say the similarities between brown switches and Topre switches. But Topre is way closer to feel like a rubber dome but it actually feels nice and pleasant to type on for a long time.
Post by: Sup on Sun, 18 October 2020, 20:36:07
sorry I just meant Mx at that pointUntil you try it no one knows :). Its all personal preference i had multiple Topre boards in my time 87U Japanese 87U HHKB Pro 2 multiple HHKB Pro 1. And now i am still typing on a MX board so that says something. Sold all my Topre expect my HHKB Pro 1 for collection purposes.hm, well I see people like that Leopold board, I wanna get into tactiles and as embarrassing as it is my favorite tactile is mx browns, is there anything similar to that. Idk if I want to take a gamble on a 225$ keeb
MX and Topre are two type of different beast in key feel no MX switch will feel like a Topre. So its hard to say the similarities between brown switches and Topre switches. But Topre is way closer to feel like a rubber dome but it actually feels nice and pleasant to type on for a long time.
MX same there is no switch in existance that can compare 1:1 to a topre switch.
Post by: yui_ on Sun, 18 October 2020, 21:43:56
imo, it is worth it. lubed hhkb hybrid type-s has rivalled the g80-5000 for me... something which i never expected to say.
if the price tag is hard to stomach, you can often find used topre boards (mainly hhkbs and realforces) for very reasonable prices on mechmarket or classifieds, so that could be an idea.
Post by: HungerMechanic on Sun, 18 October 2020, 22:16:43
[My 45 G ABKO K935P is heavier and more tactile than MX Brown]
For MX switches that have vague similarities to Topre, you can look at Halo True, Kailh Pro Purple, and Zilent V2. They have similarities in force curves, or other attributes.
The 62 G U4 Boba switch does kind of feel like a 45 G ABKO dome.
Post by: DrJackman on Sun, 18 October 2020, 23:08:55
Post by: hwood34 on Sun, 18 October 2020, 23:39:44
Post by: Polymer on Mon, 19 October 2020, 01:11:57
I’m looking into topre boards and there hekin pricy, worth it?
No way to know until you've tried it for awhile...Some people hate it at first and grow to love them..others will never like them.
The best way to describe them is they have the same mechanism as a normal rubber dome so they collapse and feel that exact same way. But, they're VERY smooth and VERY stable and VERY responsive. They're also incredibly reliable, more so than MX switches.
On the downside...outside of weight there isn't much you can do to change the feel. You also have a very small selection of customization keycaps wise, case wise, etc...
Post by: fanpeople on Mon, 19 October 2020, 06:07:32
Was the $250 odd dollars worth it? For me yes. I don't see it dying any time soon.
But it is all preference, I don't like RGB/booty poody boards.
Post by: diazel on Mon, 19 October 2020, 09:45:38
I’m looking into topre boards and there hekin pricy, worth it?
Yes and no. Like everyone else has said, until you try it, it's pretty hard to decide on. I ended up buying a HHKB on Amazon because of the allure of these highly coveted switches. And I loved them. They felt fantastic. But I wasn't happy with the loud upstroke. That moved me over to the type S except that's even steeper of a price. So I ended up going Topre clone with the ABKO K935P V2 and I can tell you I've found my favorite rubber dome capacitive switch. And it has silencing rings on them so instead of the tick or crack you hear when the regular Topres hit top, you get this satisfying 'plop' on each keystroke and it's super satisfying to me. And only $130.
If you think you'd be interested but the price is too much to stomach, hit up the ABKO and try it out. If you like it, you'll likely like/love the Topre as well. Then you decide what form factor you want because that might limit your choices a bit.
Post by: rf86u on Mon, 19 October 2020, 10:54:38
The seller, a gamer, said he was really not used to topre, hence sold it.
Post by: typo on Mon, 19 October 2020, 13:44:22
Post by: DrJackman on Mon, 19 October 2020, 13:57:02
Post by: dani_ on Sun, 25 October 2020, 12:36:40
Post by: absyrd on Sun, 25 October 2020, 12:53:33
Was a long time hhkb and 55g rf user.
Post by: typo on Mon, 26 October 2020, 04:52:30
Post by: diazel on Mon, 26 October 2020, 05:04:08
I just inherited my grandpas vast collection(typo) about 5 months ago. I have tried everything. However I had tried Topre and MX many times previously. Now that I have put many hours on both side by side. At first I really liked Topre. Now I see it as being no different than any other good rubber dome. I am not hating. That is solely my feeling. Not even an opinion. It just is not doing it for me anymore. That is just me though. One person. It has nothing to do with anyone else. Or the product. I am just mentioning my own feelings. Not that it has any bearing on anything. I am not being a troll. I figured this was just statistical.
If you need help finding a home for them since you're not a fan, I'm mooooore than willing to help as I imagine lots of people here would. :) But yeah, you're right. They're not for everyone. If you're a linear switch person who hates mushiness in their keystroke, for example. Or if you don't feel the need to spend $250-400 for what can be had for less money if you're willing to go Cherry MX style or way less money if you went with regular rubber dome. But seriously, if you end up decide to offer up any of your grandpa's collection, I'm sure there are people here that would be interested.
Post by: typo on Mon, 26 October 2020, 06:20:12
I just broke his best board. A guy is repairing it right now. He had every aspect of that board custom made. I heard from my Aunt that he had spent an "absurd" amount of money on it. Figures I broke it. I like the switches. He had Cherry make them. I am seriously not kidding. Who knows how that took place. They are pretty heavy, very clicky yet dampened and have very long travel but actuate almost instantly at the top. They have led's. I am only mentioning this because of liking the switches. The keycaps might play some role too I have no clue. I have the box. It says KAT. It is another world from Topre. I do not mean that in a good or bad way.
I can see why people like Topre though. It is just not for me personally. I think I just gave a pretty good clue as to why.
Post by: walie on Mon, 26 October 2020, 07:55:44
Welcome back!
Post by: treeleaf64 on Mon, 26 October 2020, 10:23:32
This is the grandson. They do type similarly haha.
Post by: treeleaf64 on Mon, 26 October 2020, 10:25:42
That is actually a good idea. I am not going to give them away though. They are all in like new condition. Some not even opened. I like a heavy clicky tactile switch. Like a Model M or F. The Topre is like pudding to me. Even the 55g. It feels nowhere near 55g to me. I think that would be like a Cherry Black or Gray? Those are way heavier. I am not sure. I don't know much about this. I don't hate Topre. I am willing to use it. It just is not really to my liking. Like you mentioned the money factor. To me it feels like a Microsoft keyboard. Again, I am very far from an expert on keyboards. This just landed in my lap a few months ago. Before that I had a Corsair and never gave it a second thought. In fact I got the Corsair due to my Grandpa. Previously I always had a $10 rubber dome. Now I am kind of getting a crash course in this hobby. However I am a complete newb.
I just broke his best board. A guy is repairing it right now. He had every aspect of that board custom made. I heard from my Aunt that he had spent an "absurd" amount of money on it. Figures I broke it. I like the switches. He had Cherry make them. I am seriously not kidding. Who knows how that took place. They are pretty heavy, very clicky yet dampened and have very long travel but actuate almost instantly at the top. They have led's. I am only mentioning this because of liking the switches. The keycaps might play some role too I have no clue. I have the box. It says KAT. It is another world from Topre. I do not mean that in a good or bad way.
I can see why people like Topre though. It is just not for me personally. I think I just gave a pretty good clue as to why.
Don't sell anything yet. You already have a great collection. My tastes are always evolving as I try new things.
It's good that you already have access to something like this.
Post by: Polymer on Mon, 26 October 2020, 11:32:04
Original Typo passed away (Rest in peace).
This is the grandson. They do type similarly haha.
Its the same person...
Post by: typo on Mon, 26 October 2020, 16:46:57
Post by: walie on Mon, 26 October 2020, 18:05:16
Post by: diazel on Mon, 26 October 2020, 19:10:30
Sadly I really wish it was. I am just going to lay low for a while. I was just very curious about what I inherited.No need to lay low! Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. That's the beauty of a forum like this. Some will share your views. Some won't. But either way no need to lay low. How you stick around Typo's grandson.
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Post by: Polymer on Tue, 27 October 2020, 01:44:16
Sadly I really wish it was. I am just going to lay low for a while. I was just very curious about what I inherited.No need to lay low! Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. That's the beauty of a forum like this. Some will share your views. Some won't. But either way no need to lay low. How you stick around Typo's grandson.
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It is pretty obvious it isn't his grandson. Not sure why you guys let him troll...
For someone not into keyboards, he knows way too much about the details and history...Writing style is similar as well.
And if it truly is his grandson...he should have done what he's promised to do multiple times but just never does..which is come on with his own username.
Funny though, how he's obviously been on the board for a long time and knows a lot of information so he was obviously on here (or is still on here) as someone else....this is just his troll username.
Post by: jamster on Tue, 27 October 2020, 11:04:08
Even if it wasn't an elaborate troll, simply continuing using the account of a deceased grandfather to join said grandfather's ex-trolling ground is just in extremely poor taste. Let me ask- would any of you have done this, or would you have been like a normal human being and started your own account, rather than somehow digging up the login and password out of who knows where?
Post by: typo on Tue, 27 October 2020, 11:15:59
You disrespect my Grandfather you stinking bums. Eat my jock strap. Does that sound like I am the same person?
Post by: absyrd on Tue, 27 October 2020, 11:40:45
Post by: diazel on Tue, 27 October 2020, 11:46:57
DID is real thing. Please go visit a psychiatrist.
Um, where did this come from? I must be missing something...
Post by: diazel on Tue, 27 October 2020, 11:52:55
Agreed, the whole charade just tacky in the extreme.
Even if it wasn't an elaborate troll, simply continuing using the account of a deceased grandfather to join said grandfather's ex-trolling ground is just in extremely poor taste. Let me ask- would any of you have done this, or would you have been like a normal human being and started your own account, rather than somehow digging up the login and password out of who knows where?
I'm on board with this except for the login/password. I don't save my financial passwords and usernames anywhere but I certainly do for forums such as these. It's possible it's just a saved bunch of credentials. At any rate, the fact that Typo's grandson feels the need to resort to name calling and vulgarity tells me he could probably use a hug. Not from me. But someone. Not knowing Typo's history and propensity for trolling means this is probably lost on me a bit.
Post by: jamster on Tue, 27 October 2020, 21:28:48
Agreed, the whole charade just tacky in the extreme.
Even if it wasn't an elaborate troll, simply continuing using the account of a deceased grandfather to join said grandfather's ex-trolling ground is just in extremely poor taste. Let me ask- would any of you have done this, or would you have been like a normal human being and started your own account, rather than somehow digging up the login and password out of who knows where?
I'm on board with this except for the login/password. I don't save my financial passwords and usernames anywhere but I certainly do for forums such as these. It's possible it's just a saved bunch of credentials. At any rate, the fact that Typo's grandson feels the need to resort to name calling and vulgarity tells me he could probably use a hug. Not from me. But someone. Not knowing Typo's history and propensity for trolling means this is probably lost on me a bit.
Even if the credentials were saved on a (single) PC, then that PC has not been wiped or had the browsers reset at any time in the past 6 or so months. Not outside the realms of possibility, but combined with all the other drama and fiction associated with this account, I'd rely on Occcam's Razor rather than credulity. And I'm not fully up to speed on trolling history either- I have only been back for about 12 months and thankfully missed a lot of it.
Post by: walie on Wed, 28 October 2020, 08:01:35
Obviously your Momma taught you no respect. Keep it off topic. I am gone, I used you guy's for the info I wanted. Luckily I got pretty much everything I need at this point.
You disrespect my Grandfather you stinking bums. Eat my jock strap. Does that sound like I am the same person?
lol, Classic Typo
Post by: Polymer on Wed, 28 October 2020, 15:12:29
Agreed, the whole charade just tacky in the extreme.
Even if it wasn't an elaborate troll, simply continuing using the account of a deceased grandfather to join said grandfather's ex-trolling ground is just in extremely poor taste. Let me ask- would any of you have done this, or would you have been like a normal human being and started your own account, rather than somehow digging up the login and password out of who knows where?
Exactly...it is just done in poor taste. There are even a few people here that were feeling bad that a member here had passed..and in a normal situation, I think we'd all feel bad if a member passed...
It is just obvious this isn't that...and if, for some really strange reason it is, the "grandson" continues to use his username even though he has said multiple times he will create his own.
IMO, the name dropping and other things are done purposely to give people a hint...just as the extreme asks were a hint this is a troll...
Either way, most forums have rules against impersonation and the like...whether intentional or not, that's enough to get the user banned. It is just in very poor taste..
Post by: treeleaf64 on Sun, 01 November 2020, 14:41:59
Topre is worth the price if you like the feel. It's good for long typing sessions but personally I don't like the feel of the rubber bottoming out
Post by: Polymer on Sun, 01 November 2020, 16:13:00
Ok I thought this was going to be an actual conversation :eek:
Topre is worth the price if you like the feel. It's good for long typing sessions but personally I don't like the feel of the rubber bottoming out
Except it doesn't feel like normal rubber dome bottoming out...
And oddly, people spend all their time trying to emulate that exact feel on MX....Band aid, foam, rings, clips, nibs, etc...
Post by: jamster on Sun, 01 November 2020, 20:34:00
Ok I thought this was going to be an actual conversation :eek:
Topre is worth the price if you like the feel. It's good for long typing sessions but personally I don't like the feel of the rubber bottoming out
The sidetrack was more interesting given that "is topre worth it" is a recurring question with exactly the same answers each time.
My topre feels similar enough to my o-ringed MX to be a wash. Without o-rings or something similar to cushion the harsh bottom out, I dislike the sudden MX bottom out. The built in bottom out of factory silenced MX clones (in this case Outemu as that is what I am currently typing on) is a bit too mushy.
Post by: tacomn on Wed, 04 November 2020, 11:07:22
Post by: Polymer on Wed, 04 November 2020, 12:05:29
Ok I thought this was going to be an actual conversation :eek:
Topre is worth the price if you like the feel. It's good for long typing sessions but personally I don't like the feel of the rubber bottoming out
The sidetrack was more interesting given that "is topre worth it" is a recurring question with exactly the same answers each time.
My topre feels similar enough to my o-ringed MX to be a wash. Without o-rings or something similar to cushion the harsh bottom out, I dislike the sudden MX bottom out. The built in bottom out of factory silenced MX clones (in this case Outemu as that is what I am currently typing on) is a bit too mushy.
Topre is a lot more firm and stable than o-ringed MX IMO...although it seems to me you like orings better than factory silenced MX...I actually think Cherry MX Silent Reds are pretty stable and prefer them to o-ringed mx...
Post by: absyrd on Wed, 04 November 2020, 15:02:25
Ok I thought this was going to be an actual conversation :eek:
Topre is worth the price if you like the feel. It's good for long typing sessions but personally I don't like the feel of the rubber bottoming out
The sidetrack was more interesting given that "is topre worth it" is a recurring question with exactly the same answers each time.
My topre feels similar enough to my o-ringed MX to be a wash. Without o-rings or something similar to cushion the harsh bottom out, I dislike the sudden MX bottom out. The built in bottom out of factory silenced MX clones (in this case Outemu as that is what I am currently typing on) is a bit too mushy.
I'm trying otemu browns right now and can't take it. I don't know what switch to try with mx these days that'll give me the feedback similar to hhkb or 55g topre. Been out of the game too long.
Post by: Darthbaggins on Wed, 04 November 2020, 16:51:31
Ok I thought this was going to be an actual conversation :eek:
Topre is worth the price if you like the feel. It's good for long typing sessions but personally I don't like the feel of the rubber bottoming out
The sidetrack was more interesting given that "is topre worth it" is a recurring question with exactly the same answers each time.
My topre feels similar enough to my o-ringed MX to be a wash. Without o-rings or something similar to cushion the harsh bottom out, I dislike the sudden MX bottom out. The built in bottom out of factory silenced MX clones (in this case Outemu as that is what I am currently typing on) is a bit too mushy.
I'm trying otemu browns right now and can't take it. I don't know what switch to try with mx these days that'll give me the feedback similar to hhkb or 55g topre. Been out of the game too long.
I would say try the Glorious Panda's from Glorious PC Gaming Race, so far feedback I've read seems really good.
I've been eyeing a Leopold FC660C as my entrance into the Topre switch family/cult.
Post by: arydi on Wed, 04 November 2020, 18:33:37
Post by: Polymer on Wed, 04 November 2020, 21:07:12
Don't set your expectations too high. This year I got a 55gm Realforce TKL. It's nice but it didn't blow me away. Typing doesn't feel as precise to me. The keystrokes were too pillowy and vague for my taste. Maybe I just don't like linears. The keyboard has remained in the corner ever since. To someone who loves Topre I probably don't deserve this keyboard. Meh.
Maybe the issue is you think they're linear or the way you type they feel linear to you.
Factually, they're not...
Post by: diazel on Wed, 04 November 2020, 21:33:49
Don't set your expectations too high. This year I got a 55gm Realforce TKL. It's nice but it didn't blow me away. Typing doesn't feel as precise to me. The keystrokes were too pillowy and vague for my taste. Maybe I just don't like linears. The keyboard has remained in the corner ever since. To someone who loves Topre I probably don't deserve this keyboard. Meh.
Maybe the issue is you think they're linear or the way you type they feel linear to you.
Factually, they're not...
They're tactile rubber domes, not linear, but obviously in this case the linear description doesn't come into play. They explained what about the feel they don't like so maybe the issue is you think he thinks they're linear and therefore doesn't like them
And if it's the way they type that makes them feel linear then maybe they're heavy handed and Topre at 55g isn't as satisfying as a heavy tactile bump like in a panda switch with a heavy spring like those you find in Cherry clears.FWIW, I agree with the sentiments. Topre does have mushiness you're not going to find in mx type switches. When I got my first, I couldn't get enough of the soft plops. But it's not for everyone. I used one today all day at work and it was fine but once I got home I found myself on an Anne Pro 2 that I recently swapped T1s into and it's stellar and clacky. It's all about how the mood strikes you.
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Post by: Polymer on Wed, 04 November 2020, 23:37:35
Don't set your expectations too high. This year I got a 55gm Realforce TKL. It's nice but it didn't blow me away. Typing doesn't feel as precise to me. The keystrokes were too pillowy and vague for my taste. Maybe I just don't like linears. The keyboard has remained in the corner ever since. To someone who loves Topre I probably don't deserve this keyboard. Meh.
Maybe the issue is you think they're linear or the way you type they feel linear to you.
Factually, they're not...
They're tactile rubber domes, not linear, but obviously in this case the linear description doesn't come into play. They explained what about the feel they don't like so maybe the issue is you think he thinks they're linear and therefore doesn't like them
FWIW, I agree with the sentiments. Topre does have mushiness you're not going to find in mx type switches. When I got my first, I couldn't get enough of the soft plops. But it's not for everyone. I used one today all day at work and it was fine but once I got home I found myself on an Anne Pro 2 that I recently swapped T1s into and it's stellar and clacky. It's all about how the mood strikes you.
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I guess everyone's opinion on mushiness is different...Mushy to me is a typical rubber dome that actually just compresses and has nothing there to stabilize it...the keys move, even after you bottom out it can still give a bit. Topre has none of that. It doesn't have a clack when you bottom out though which is probably what people think is a lack of mushiness but it really is just a sound.
Post by: jamster on Thu, 05 November 2020, 00:40:38
Ok I thought this was going to be an actual conversation :eek:
Topre is worth the price if you like the feel. It's good for long typing sessions but personally I don't like the feel of the rubber bottoming out
The sidetrack was more interesting given that "is topre worth it" is a recurring question with exactly the same answers each time.
My topre feels similar enough to my o-ringed MX to be a wash. Without o-rings or something similar to cushion the harsh bottom out, I dislike the sudden MX bottom out. The built in bottom out of factory silenced MX clones (in this case Outemu as that is what I am currently typing on) is a bit too mushy.
Topre is a lot more firm and stable than o-ringed MX IMO...although it seems to me you like orings better than factory silenced MX...I actually think Cherry MX Silent Reds are pretty stable and prefer them to o-ringed mx...
I should have been more specific. The Topre bottom out feels similar to o-ringed MX. The rest of the switch experience is totally different, and I far prefer Topre.
With o-ringed MX and factory silenced MX, both have their pros and cons. I would not say that I prefer one over the other. Overall, I feel that then MX design is fundamentally lacking in many ways, to me it's a 'good enough and available enough' method to just settle on. Causes me to find the whole high end milled board scene a bit amusing too- people spending crazy money on such a fundamentally gimped technology. But each to their own.
I do want to try factory silenced Topre sometime, but I have more boards than I need already, and am not into the whole 'collecting' thing.
Post by: Entropia on Thu, 05 November 2020, 04:04:02
Post by: Polymer on Thu, 05 November 2020, 09:24:33
For sure, there is a lot of rattle that develops w/ the stabilizer for some reason..which is sometimes (temporarily) improved with resetting it...but for me the PBT spacebar has a bit of warp that tightens the connection and probably adds some tension which gets rid of that rattle...At least on multiple Topres I've done it for...
I've read that it doesn't work for some people though..
Post by: Riverman on Thu, 05 November 2020, 11:00:06
I'm fairly impressed with the stabilized keys on regular Topre keyboards. They did a good job, but they're still not as consistent feeling as a clipped Cherry G80-3000. Every key feels exactly the same on that one. Topre did a lousy job on the stabilizers on the RGB, though. They have a noticeable click when you tap the edge of a stabilized key, I think because there's so much slop in the mechanism. Filling them with grease seems to help a lot. I don't understand why they thought they needed to create their own version of a Cherry stabilizer when there are plenty of good off-the-shelf options.
Post by: diazel on Thu, 05 November 2020, 14:09:49
I have two high quality boards, both Leopold, but both with very different switches: Topre and MX Black. Once you get used to Topre it no longer feels awesome, like the first time you try it. However, if I spend some days using my keyboard with MX blacks, when I go back to Topre I feel again how special it is. That is why I like having and using two different boards. This does not mean that the MX blacks are not interesting. After a long time using Topres I also miss typing on Blacks, which are very smooth on the Leopold boards, and sound great too because of the thick PBT keycaps. My only complaint with Topres is the spacebar and also some long keys, which sound different (especially the backspace). The spacebar, apart from getting shiny very easily (ABS plastic), rattles when you touch it and sounds bad when you press it, which is a bit annoying. On the other hand my board with MX Blacks is consistent and I have no rattle at all.^nailed it. I love it but definitely not my every day.
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Post by: Polymer on Thu, 05 November 2020, 14:38:46
I've put PBT space bars on several different R1 Realforce keyboards and a couple of Type Heavens, and the space bar has introduced a pretty loud downstroke clack on all of them. Luckily, the clack was eliminated on every one of them by putting a piece of something thin in between the stabilizers and the space bar. I read about someone here doing it with a landing pad for an MX keyboard, which is where I got the idea, but a couple of pieces of paper towel work fine, too. You cut a piece about 1/2" square, cut a slit in it so it will go over the stabilizer peg, and then press the keycap on. Some space bars have needed a few pieces in between the stabilizer and space bar, but some have worked with just one.
I'm fairly impressed with the stabilized keys on regular Topre keyboards. They did a good job, but they're still not as consistent feeling as a clipped Cherry G80-3000. Every key feels exactly the same on that one. Topre did a lousy job on the stabilizers on the RGB, though. They have a noticeable click when you tap the edge of a stabilized key, I think because there's so much slop in the mechanism. Filling them with grease seems to help a lot. I don't understand why they thought they needed to create their own version of a Cherry stabilizer when there are plenty of good off-the-shelf options.
That's strange...maybe your spacebar was warped in a funny way then...Having done mine on RFs and HHKBs, they all had the same result which was to quiet down the clinking of the spacebar stabilizer....All of my spacebars were Gen1 Groupbuys....I'm sure there are tons of different ones now...
Post by: cringenormie on Thu, 05 November 2020, 17:59:44
Post by: stimuz on Fri, 06 November 2020, 05:29:42
Post by: Riverman on Fri, 06 November 2020, 11:40:31
I still don't think MX has anything as good as topre or tactile alps, but has linears on lock. The advantage MX has is customization in aesthetics, switches, springs and so on. From what I've seen MX compat topre sliders come at a slight to large quality degradation to typing feel, depending if you're using novatouch or other clones, so not quite the same thing.The RGB's sliders don't impact the feel much at all, but you do have to silence an RGB to get rid of the unpleasant upstroke clack that otherwise ruins the keyboard.
Post by: absyrd on Fri, 06 November 2020, 11:43:57
Post by: Entropia on Mon, 09 November 2020, 05:11:56
Post by: Polymer on Wed, 11 November 2020, 11:11:18
I have found a blue PBT spacebar I had stored in a box. After installed my FC980C feels much better to type on. Why didn't I do this before? Honestly I don't remember. Maybe for aesthetics? I like it. It gives the board a touch of color and blue goes well with grey. The rattle is gone and it sounds better too. Let's see how long it lasts to start shining. The black PBT spacebar on my FC980M I have at my office is cleary shiny on the place where I always press it with my left thumb. I have all my sparbars inverted, so maybe in that case there's more contact with my finger. Also it seems that black plastic tends to shine more easily or at least it's more visible. I think it also depends on the amount of texture or grain of the plastic.
It takes a long time...my ABS Topre spacebars are all shined up....my PBT ones haven't shined except for the one I've used the most and even then, it is barely shined up...just a tiny spot and it is barely noticeable.
I don't have the 660c so I can't say how the spacebar compares....
Post by: livewirerc on Thu, 12 November 2020, 21:33:40
For me? Yes. I've spent several thousand dollars on Topre keyboards, and have tuned/modded them with control boards, silencing rings, BKE redux domes (ultra light, light, heavy), other realforce dome swaps, lube, keycaps, etc. Topre, and HHKB in particular, are my ideal keyboard, and what I use at home, work, and keep in my packs when travelling. Nothing else feels like it. I have a few various mechanical boards in the HHKB layout (3x Tokyo60, RAMA), but I always go back to a Topre board within a week.
Post by: tacomn on Fri, 13 November 2020, 10:48:07
Post by: hpetrovski on Sat, 21 November 2020, 20:47:49
Lube or not to lube with topre?Lube. It's always reversible if you happen not to like it, but I doubt that will happen.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 22 November 2020, 13:20:03
Post by: exime on Mon, 23 November 2020, 17:11:42
Post by: HungerMechanic on Mon, 23 November 2020, 17:23:19
As in, there may not be a definite 'bump' or tactile event, since the entire keypress is the tactile collapse of the rubber-dome. So if you are pressing down slowly, you may feel a fairly consistent tactility the whole way, giving a kind of 'linear' vibe.
At least, that's the way it is with my ABKO board.
I started typing on that EC board after I already had some MX boards. I was impressed by the sound, and it's pillowy nature, but it does feel less precise than MX switches. As MX mechanical switches are going to be much more consistent, and therefore predicatable, in operation.
When I reviewed the ABKO here, I typed the rough draft on the ABKO, but edited it on a keyboard with Pro Purples. I found them to be more precise, and therefore helpful when creating a final copy. Maybe it's just because I was used to MX switches at the time.
I liked one comment where a person said about Topre, "it's like typing on mud. The most exquisite mud in the world, but it's still mud." In terms of tactile sensation, it can be interesting, but I'm not sure it's actually a superior mechanism for typing over conventional mechanical.
Personally, I like to utilize Topre's more subtle characteristics. Since it is so tactile to begin with, a lubed, silenced Topre can be made about as tactile as a conventional office rubber-dome, but much smoother and quieter. And with better keycaps and overall build. So for a luxury office rubber-dome, I would want to go for a heavily-customized, silenced Topre.
Post by: jamster on Mon, 23 November 2020, 20:32:01
I can understand what people are saying about 'linear' Topre. To someone recently using MX switches, some EC switches, like Niz domes, don't have the expected 'tactility.'
I liked one comment where a person said about Topre, "it's like typing on mud. The most exquisite mud in the world, but it's still mud." In terms of tactile sensation, it can be interesting, but I'm not sure it's actually a superior mechanism for typing over conventional mechanical.
This is how I feel about some Topre-like boards. My factory silenced (clone) RC930 is too linear for me to really enjoy. And 'mud' is a great description of my Novatouch experience. On the other hand, both feel very different from unmodded 55g Realforce. I do want to try a factory silenced Realforce board sometime.
The topre community is pretty sus but I still want to try one out. Lacking real reviews and still very unpopular relatively speaking. Some might say price is the underlying issue but I disagree as there are plenty of custom MX board buyers going well over $200+. That and I haven't heard good things about the build quality of realforce. If it was really that great, it would have picked up a lot more market share by now.
There are... plenty of reviews on Topre. As well as very well put together explanations of build quality. Worst I have read is that people criticise the way the plastic case snaps together and can move a bit, but this is a deliberate design decision. I certainly prefer it to what I view as the slightly pretentious and in some distinct ways anti-functional CNC aluminium cases that are currently in fashion with the Instagram/reddit crowd.
I am not sure the logic here really holds up regarding market share. The 'best' products in any class hobby not to be the most common- an example would be that Beats and Bose have always been more popular than Sennheiser audiophile headphones (to draw from another hobby that is high in tech and nerd factor). I would say that the reason that MX boards appeal has less to do with the typing experience, and more to do with the aesthetics of case options and the ability to mix and match parts, many of which I think are inherently compromised to begin with.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 23 November 2020, 21:24:30
The topre community is pretty sus but I still want to try one out. Lacking real reviews and still very unpopular relatively speaking. Some might say price is the underlying issue but I disagree as there are plenty of custom MX board buyers going well over $200+. That and I haven't heard good things about the build quality of realforce. If it was really that great, it would have picked up a lot more market share by now.
The Topre CULT isn't sus. They're long and old.
The reviews are real but so is the zealotry, I agree they're good products but not as magical as the Cult ordains.
The truth is, THEY are ALL INFIDELS. There is only 1 True God-Board, /ERGODOX
Post by: HungerMechanic on Mon, 23 November 2020, 22:08:21
Wobble-free, no ping, no scratching against the housing, loud/thocky or super-quiet, smooth stabilizers, bouncy/rigid plate. It's hard for any affordable out-of-box keyboard to achieve this. All the mechanisms have some drawback or another.
Post by: Error213 on Tue, 24 November 2020, 00:12:32
Post by: jamster on Tue, 24 November 2020, 01:27:51
Holy crap this thread really blew up :D. Thank you all for the responses but I don’t think I will get topre, it’s too pricey for something idk if it will be good.
I seriously think that buying a Realforce board without previously demoing one is a too risky to bother with.
Post by: Riverman on Tue, 24 November 2020, 11:27:44
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 24 November 2020, 14:29:35
I don't think that demoing a Topre keyboard, or really any high-end keyboard, is an option for most people in the US, but at least if you buy one used on eBay, you can usually resell it for the same price, and only end up taking a hit on their fees.
We have the highest Covid-Stats, touch one of our garden rocks and you could die.
Post by: jamster on Tue, 24 November 2020, 19:43:17
I don't think that demoing a Topre keyboard, or really any high-end keyboard, is an option for most people in the US, but at least if you buy one used on eBay, you can usually resell it for the same price, and only end up taking a hit on their fees.
It's a better country than any other on Earth for demoing keyboards! Well, possibly short of Japan when it comes to Realforce.