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Title: [GB] GMK Iconographic - CHECKING INTEREST FOR RERUN
Post by: Lil on Thu, 07 January 2021, 06:17:25
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(https://i.imgur.com/hv7OKVd.jpg)

INSPIRATION

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The inspiration for the set is the album cover for Floral Shoppe and the Iconography of ancient times that are a cornerstone of Vaporwave Aesthetics.

WHERE TO BUY:
North America: Mechs & Co (https://mechsandco.com/products/gb-gmk-iconographic)
Europe: MyKeyboard (https://mykeyboard.eu/catalogue/category/group-buys/gmk-iconographic_394/)
Australia & Oceania: Dailyclack (https://dailyclack.com/products/gmk-iconographic/)
South East Asia: Monokei (https://monokei.co/collections/current/products/gmk-iconographic/)
Canada: Deskhero (https://www.deskhero.ca/collections/open-group-buys/products/gmk-iconographic)
China: Zfrontier EN (https://en.zfrontier.com/products/gmk-iconographic)/ Zfrontier CN (https://www.zfrontier.com/app/mch/lZ2N9dv5Mr6l)

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A note on pricing:
Following deciding kit pricing in November, the dollar has fallen from .85 to .81 to the euro, which effectively means a loss of 6 euros per basekit on the old pricing versus then.
For this reason we were forced to increase US pricing in order to maintain the price in euros, which is the currency that GMK invoices us in for production; to avoid making a loss per kit at the current moq of 250.

This group buy for GMK keycaps is open from January 8th and runs through February 5th.
The sale format is a Group Buy pre-order, that if successful in meeting the minimum order quantity has an estimated production lead time of 10 months

KITS:

HELIOS ヘリオス
(Katakana mono-legend basekit)

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This is the complete basekit

SPACEBARS スペースキー
(Spacebar kit)

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If you forget the spacebars

GAIJIN 外人
(Latin add-on kit)

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Not everyone is a touch-typist, that's okay.

NOSTALGIA 懐古
(Novelty kit)

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In your heart you are dwelling on the past


BOARD RENDERS by Pikku-allu

Ex Arkhes


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[Artkey] x [Iconographic]

// Cotton Candy Sirius, Felix and Ursa / 25 Nov 9:00 AM ICT /

// Cotton Candy Bull V2 & Devourer / 28 Nov 9:00 AM ICT /

https://www.instagram.com/p/CH-k3lwBAv_/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/CH-k3lwBAv_/)

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COLOURS

Alphas: Pantone 190c
Legends: Pantone 3385c
Mods: RAL 080 60 05

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Thanks to Pikku-Allu

TECHNICAL SPECS, LEAD TIMES AND DISCLAIMERS


Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic [January 8th through February 5th]
Post by: Lil on Thu, 07 January 2021, 06:37:10
Reserved for updates
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic [January 8th through February 5th]
Post by: of_sam on Thu, 07 January 2021, 07:29:51
Glwb
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Live! [January 8th through February 5th]
Post by: Lil on Fri, 08 January 2021, 17:45:28
GB now live in all regions!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Live! [January 8th through February 5th]
Post by: kema on Sat, 09 January 2021, 00:03:33
Just wanted to say I dig the header image, the funky type with that retro grain is so aesthetic ✨
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Live! [January 8th through February 5th]
Post by: mutthunt on Sat, 09 January 2021, 07:35:25
After following this set for so long, it looks like the EU proxy no longer ships to the UK... All the best with the GB
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Live! [January 8th through February 5th]
Post by: Lil on Sat, 09 January 2021, 10:50:44
After following this set for so long, it looks like the EU proxy no longer ships to the UK... All the best with the GB

As far as I'm aware this is a short term problem whilst brexit is being finalised for sets currently shipping, but there shouldn't be an issue by the time that this set delivers. That being said, for future GBs I will contact Jae to be the UK vendor
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Live! [January 8th through February 5th]
Post by: mutthunt on Sat, 09 January 2021, 12:59:21
After following this set for so long, it looks like the EU proxy no longer ships to the UK... All the best with the GB

As far as I'm aware this is a short term problem whilst brexit is being finalised for sets currently shipping, but there shouldn't be an issue by the time that this set delivers. That being said, for future GBs I will contact Jae to be the UK vendor

I appreciate it, obviously its just unfortunate timing. I'll see if there's a workaround if there's no change by February
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Live! [January 8th through February 5th]
Post by: dizpimpin48 on Sat, 09 January 2021, 17:20:53
I really wanted this set for my wife's first build but I cant justify spending $200 just to have an English set. I was miffed I spent like $140 on the Serika set for my sons first kb. :(
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Live! [January 8th through February 5th]
Post by: gleneston on Sun, 10 January 2021, 15:53:50
Any chance for a R2 with English alphas in the base set?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Live! [January 8th through February 5th]
Post by: andreiborisov on Wed, 13 January 2021, 15:37:12
Is there a Discord server to follow updates after the GB?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Live! [January 8th through February 5th]
Post by: Lil on Fri, 15 January 2021, 12:20:42
Just wanted to say I dig the header image, the funky type with that retro grain is so aesthetic ✨

Glwb

Thanks both!

Any chance for a R2 with English alphas in the base set?

I can't say for for sure what may or not happen in the future, but a R2 probably wouldn't happen unless there is sufficient demand.

Is there a Discord server to follow updates after the GB?

Yes, I will make a discord server for updates on this set and my upcoming keyboard GB. I will post a link here when it's available
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Live! [January 8th through February 5th]
Post by: Tyson on Mon, 18 January 2021, 14:13:38
Any update on numbers, excited to see how this is doing!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Live! [January 8th through February 5th]
Post by: dvorcol on Mon, 18 January 2021, 19:18:15
(https://i.postimg.cc/sVhtMsV3/GMKiconographic-Status210118b.png)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Live! [January 8th through February 5th]
Post by: Lil on Mon, 18 January 2021, 19:35:32
Numbers are quite low right now unfortunately, I think that might just be a reflection of how many sets are running and by virtue of being sandwiched between Serika and Muted. I expect things to pick up towards the end of the month and the beginning of February, so I am still hopeful.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Live! [January 8th through February 5th]
Post by: therealemanuelmartinez on Tue, 19 January 2021, 00:07:43
Since GB is running with a few quirks I just wanted to add some personal comments, since those numbers also look horrifying to me and I need to cope somehow.

I can't live without this set, it's both my first set and true "endgame", but I think the group buy could've been postponed somehow to accomodate the issues with currencies/manufacturing. I'm guessing you considered that and I trust your judgement. I have massive respect for how much you used IC feedback in developing this set and I hope it ends up meeting its MOQ, since I'm still in.


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Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Live! [January 8th through February 5th]
Post by: rivals on Tue, 19 January 2021, 10:42:46
Really excited for this set, hope to see those numbers jump.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Live! [January 8th through February 5th]
Post by: nvh2092 on Tue, 19 January 2021, 10:52:59
Numbers are quite low right now unfortunately, I think that might just be a reflection of how many sets are running and by virtue of being sandwiched between Serika and Muted. I expect things to pick up towards the end of the month and the beginning of February, so I am still hopeful.
I think it's also about the lack of latin alphas in base kit compared to many other sets have them in base. People will look for a reason to skip one in order to choose between many good sets.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Live! [January 8th through February 5th]
Post by: gleneston on Wed, 20 January 2021, 13:15:42
Numbers are quite low right now unfortunately, I think that might just be a reflection of how many sets are running and by virtue of being sandwiched between Serika and Muted. I expect things to pick up towards the end of the month and the beginning of February, so I am still hopeful.
I think it's also about the lack of latin alphas in base kit compared to many other sets have them in base. People will look for a reason to skip one in order to choose between many good sets.

Unfortunately that's the case for me. Though I really love the colorway, my wallet doesn't love the price. I would have 100% joined the GB if the alphas were English.   
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Live! [January 8th through February 5th]
Post by: Nuap on Wed, 20 January 2021, 17:07:06
I think the poor numbers are definitely a reflection of the price to attain a latin alpha base kit. Having a separate latin alphas kit, and numpad in the base, just brings the price too high. I wish this set ran with a cut down base kit (separate numpad), and with an option for Katakana base kit & Latin base kit.

Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Live! [January 8th through February 5th]
Post by: RF500 on Wed, 20 January 2021, 18:09:28
I like the set but I need the alphas as well and that really brings up the price. :/
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Live! [January 8th through February 5th]
Post by: andreiborisov on Thu, 21 January 2021, 01:21:11
What will happen if some of the kits I've ordered not going to meet the MOQ?

Is postponing or prolonging a GB an option? Or maybe swapping alphas between the kits.

This set is too good to fall victim to unfortunate kitting and timing! :'(
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Live! [January 8th through February 5th]
Post by: nvh2092 on Thu, 21 January 2021, 02:02:38
What will happen if some of the kits I've ordered not going to meet the MOQ?

Is postponing or prolonging a GB an option? Or maybe swapping alphas between the kits.

This set is too good to fall victim to unfortunate kitting and timing! :'(
It'll depend on the sale, some vendors will try to buy out a certain number of kits if MOQ is close. You can see it in the gb thread of gmk yuri 2 or jtk grisanne.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Live! [January 8th through February 5th]
Post by: outsider on Thu, 21 January 2021, 21:35:27
I’m in if the Latin alphas were the default.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Postponed
Post by: Lil on Mon, 25 January 2021, 06:09:33
Thanks everyone for the comments and the support. The GB is being postponed currently, so people should be getting their refunds from their respective vendors along normal timelines. I think normally refunds can take 3 to 10 days, but I am not sure when they will be processed as depending on the region it may take longer for the banks to transfer funds. For example, if you live in Europe but bought from Zfrontier. Please be patient with them.

There are several reasons why the set may not have been on track to make moq

.The dollar falling versus the euro meaning that the basekit was 10USD more expensive than planned in regions outside of EU, in order to keep the same euro pricing at 250moq, because gmk invoices in euros for production
.My underestimation of the importance of Latin legends to those otherwise interested in purchasing the set
.Overlapping GB timelines with popular sets that most in the community would've joined, like Serika at the beginning of the GB and Muted through the rest. I think only the most enthusiastic in the hobby tend to buy more than one set a month, which left just a short window for the majority of people to buy in February. Unfortunately because Muted was announced late there wasn't a way to avoid this

Looking at feedback going forward I will be
.Changing the set to Katakana sub legends, meaning the set will have both Japanese Kana and Latin legends
.Removing the alpha coloured f row, and considering removing 40% support in favour of potentially adding alice spacebars into the basekit, or purely making the price point more attractive for the majority of people

As always I am open to your thoughts, and intend to rerun the set once I have made the necessary changes it needs to be successful.

There should be updates on kitting and renders following, along with my plan going forward once it has been decided




Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Postponed, Updates to follow
Post by: andreiborisov on Mon, 25 January 2021, 06:33:30
I’m afraid the business of sub legends may ruin the gorgeous aesthetic of this set.

I understand that swapping Katakana alphas in its own kit may face the same challenges as we have now and we’ll end up with Latin only variant, but I still strongly prefer mono legends even if it’s going to be Latin only.

Other changes are totally reasonable and welcome IMO.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Postponed, Updates to follow
Post by: andreiborisov on Mon, 25 January 2021, 06:48:26
I understand that you want to preserve a Japanese influence from the inspiration so here is an idea: what if you make some keys with sub legends/Katakana only and some Latin only? Seems like a good match for the album cover:

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I'd say it's even cooler than the previous variant.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Postponed, Updates to follow
Post by: of_sam on Mon, 25 January 2021, 08:30:46
Sorry to hear this. It's a very unique set. I hope it runs again in the future.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Postponed, Updates to follow
Post by: nvh2092 on Mon, 25 January 2021, 09:12:23
I understand that you want to preserve a Japanese influence from the inspiration so here is an idea: what if you make some keys with sub legends/Katakana only and some Latin only? Seems like a good match for the album cover:

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I'd say it's even cooler than the previous variant.
This is not a good idea either. I think the safest choice is japanese-sublegends or mono latin alphas at the least.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Postponed, Updates to follow
Post by: ZavaZ86 on Mon, 25 January 2021, 10:38:24
One thing that I would be sad about would be that current base would be swapped to katakana sub legends or just plain latin since it takes away the theme and astechtics.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Postponed
Post by: koolaidpapa on Mon, 25 January 2021, 11:55:59
Sad to hear about the postponement. I, for one, like the set but personally would not purchase for myself but I can definitely see the appeal in it. I also think this was a very well thought out response on your steps moving forward with the set. Best of luck in the future!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Postponed, Updates to follow
Post by: rivals on Mon, 25 January 2021, 13:41:04
Bummed about it being postponed as well, but I think that going back to the drawing board on how this is kitted will make the GB more successful. It's a tough set to do in a way that everyone's happy with.

I'll throw my opinions out as well in case they make a difference. I agree with the sentiment others have that doing subs will feel a bit crowded and messy on this set (I'd still be in for it, fwiw), though that is likely the most pragmatic approach. The other option of course is to swap the base kit to latins and offer katakana as an additional kit, but then you'll likely still face the same MOQ woes with that add-on. Definitely don't think there's a clear answer on this one.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Postponed, Updates to follow
Post by: krugerlive on Mon, 25 January 2021, 21:12:17
Bummer it's delayed, but I get it.  I was going to jump into this kit closer to close simply because the past 6 weeks has been a gauntlet of good sets for gb.  The base price was a bit higher, but eith the euro it makes sense.  I honestly think the numbers are mainly because so many other good sets are running.  Personally, I love the legends as they are and don't like the aesthetics of the latin ones as well.  This is a vaporwave set, so it should have that look. 

If the base set had the extra b and alice space bars, it would be amazing. 
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Postponed, Updates to follow
Post by: kaikaikai on Mon, 25 January 2021, 22:32:16
Was one who purchased the set! Looking forward to it being released again!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Postponed, Updates to follow
Post by: n1KKei on Tue, 26 January 2021, 06:21:05
Oh, dang it! I was looking forward buying this set early february since I missed out on the Mecha-01..

Well, maybe you can take this time to fix some of the letters in the set? I really like the katakana set, but I feel GMK WoB Katakana has better letters with the modifiers being fully icons and also keeping that F-row katakana as well.

(https://i.imgur.com/739Nm1U.png)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Postponed, Updates to follow
Post by: RideOrPie on Tue, 26 January 2021, 16:07:08
I think this is a great, unique looking set. I ordered the base, latin alphas and spacebars. As a 40s user the base kit doesn't really have all the keys I'd need. Any chance you would consider a 40s kit?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Postponed, Updates to follow
Post by: Prestley on Tue, 26 January 2021, 16:14:44
I checked on mechs and co and was wondering why it was missing! I'll be sure to keep updated for a future release. :)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Postponed, Updates to follow
Post by: Almost on Wed, 27 January 2021, 03:02:05
Thanks so much for postponing it!!

Really really hope UK shipping will be sorted out by then, it's apparantly an arse for small businesses. Janky proxies must be making $bank$
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Postponed
Post by: bukowski on Wed, 27 January 2021, 09:50:35
at feedback going forward I will be
.Changing the set to Katakana sub legends, meaning the set will have both Japanese Kana and Latin legends

Sad to hear that. In that case the set is no longer interesting to me since I dont use ANSI layout and without a NorDeUK kit there is just not enough compatibility.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Postponed
Post by: n1KKei on Fri, 29 January 2021, 04:08:27
at feedback going forward I will be
.Changing the set to Katakana sub legends, meaning the set will have both Japanese Kana and Latin legends

Sad to hear that. In that case the set is no longer interesting to me since I dont use ANSI layout and without a NorDeUK kit there is just not enough compatibility.

Same for me, I really feel this works as latin or katakana, not both. Don't get me wrong, I like keycaps with both, but I feel it doesn't work for this one. I also am from Europe so having those latin keys makes no sense if I use ISO Enter.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Postponed, Updates to follow
Post by: saltimate on Sat, 30 January 2021, 05:56:03
sublegends are sh!t
people chose sub over mono are cun.ts and can **** off
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Postponed, Updates to follow
Post by: nvh2092 on Sat, 30 January 2021, 06:49:13
sublegends are sh!t
people chose sub over mono are cun.ts and can **** off
Buyers prefer Latin Alphas. In order to preserve the weeb theme, sublegends are the safest choice.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Postponed, Updates to follow
Post by: directheatedtriode on Sat, 30 January 2021, 07:12:22
sublegends are sh!t
people chose sub over mono are cun.ts and can **** off

Yeah I wish more sets offered mono legends either in base or as an addon. I give the OP props for doing mono on this set, the colors weren't for me or there was a strong chance I'd have been in.

The only time I like sublegends are on historically inspired sets ala CRP.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Postponed, Updates to follow
Post by: question Mark on Sat, 30 January 2021, 09:28:09
It's sad to see this GB fail. I've followed this set from the start, because I love everything about it. For me the theme only makes sense with the Katakana mono legends. I would not buy it with Latin alphas or sublegends. Having to buy an add-on kit with Katakana legends would be a tough choice for me.
It's hard to tell what caused this set to fail right at the start. I really hope it's the other boring but popular (re-run) sets running in January that kept people from buying it.
So please leave the Katakana mono legends in base!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Postponed, Updates to follow
Post by: dimo on Mon, 01 February 2021, 18:28:26
I understand that you want to preserve a Japanese influence from the inspiration so here is an idea: what if you make some keys with sub legends/Katakana only and some Latin only? Seems like a good match for the album cover:

(Attachment Link)

I'd say it's even cooler than the previous variant.
i like this :]
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Postponed, Updates to follow
Post by: andreiborisov on Sat, 27 February 2021, 11:06:18
I've just come to say that this set is by far the most anticipated set of all the upcoming sets for me. Please, don't give up on this.

btw, another issue that wasn't mentioned earlier which is a possible reason for failing to meet the MOQ is the lack of advertisement. You didn't even include incredible AKB renders from IC in the GB thread/vendors pages. I'm pretty sure they alone would sell a couple of sets.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Postponed, Updates to follow
Post by: spoopycheezy on Sat, 27 February 2021, 20:25:00
had i known about this set; instant buy. but i never seen it until now. i has sad
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Postponed, Updates to follow
Post by: dimo on Thu, 18 March 2021, 17:44:00
NO SUB.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Postponed, Updates to follow
Post by: P103 on Sun, 21 March 2021, 12:20:06
Please come back Iconographic.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Postponed, Updates to follow
Post by: saltimate on Mon, 29 March 2021, 17:19:53
sublegends are sh!t
people chose sub over mono are cun.ts and can **** off
Buyers prefer Latin Alphas. In order to preserve the weeb theme, sublegends are the safest choice.

or here is a crazy idea; normies can have their ****ty latin (mono or with sublegends) in the base, and add an alt alphas kit which is mono anything but latin

also @Lil maybe this set would do better as pbt (ie not gmk), there would be more kitting options and maybe more people would be interested if it was cheaper. i ****ing hate gmk, shiny ass overpriced garbage which cucks non-normie layouts.
imo this set would do well with somthing which doesnt rely on a "base kit" ie you chose an alphas kit and a mods kit separately. this way you cant alienate one group of people by trying to be true to the aesthetic in the base kit because there is no base kit.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Postponed, Updates to follow
Post by: dimo on Mon, 29 March 2021, 18:17:03
truth, sucks to see sets like monarch show mono hiragana in their title renders and then not offer it. This set will be a serious let down without mono alt latin alphas
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Postponed, Updates to follow
Post by: P103 on Tue, 30 March 2021, 04:19:29
sublegends are sh!t
people chose sub over mono are cun.ts and can **** off
Buyers prefer Latin Alphas. In order to preserve the weeb theme, sublegends are the safest choice.

or here is a crazy idea; normies can have their ****ty latin (mono or with sublegends) in the base, and add an alt alphas kit which is mono anything but latin

also @Lil maybe this set would do better as pbt (ie not gmk), there would be more kitting options and maybe more people would be interested if it was cheaper. i ****ing hate gmk, shiny ass overpriced garbage which cucks non-normie layouts.
imo this set would do well with somthing which doesnt rely on a "base kit" ie you chose an alphas kit and a mods kit separately. this way you cant alienate one group of people by trying to be true to the aesthetic in the base kit because there is no base kit.

You can't colour match that well with Pbt, also manus like ePbt has been bad in terms of quality and pricing. Gmk produce some of the best colours for keysets and their pricing has been fairly consistent throughout the years. For "non-normie" layouts you are always going to pay more, just look at some of the 40% kits running now.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Postponed, Updates to follow
Post by: andreiborisov on Tue, 30 March 2021, 05:15:47
IMO, this set is gorgeous as it is, it just needs more advertisement and better timing.

P.S. Shine is good, embrace the shine, dude.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Postponed, Updates to follow
Post by: ee on Sun, 11 April 2021, 10:42:49
praying every day for iconographic, also putting my hand in for mono katakana alt alphas
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Postponed, Updates to follow
Post by: dimo on Sun, 11 April 2021, 15:25:28
i wake up every morning with the image of my gray board with mono legend iconographic
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Postponed, Updates to follow
Post by: therealemanuelmartinez on Fri, 16 April 2021, 22:20:58
i wake up every morning with the image of my gray board with mono legend iconographic

From Lil:
Quote
A note on pricing:
Following deciding kit pricing in November, the dollar has fallen from .85 to .81 to the euro, which effectively means a loss of 6 euros per basekit on the old pricing versus then.
For this reason we were forced to increase US pricing in order to maintain the price in euros, which is the currency that GMK invoices us in for production; to avoid making a loss per kit at the current moq of 250.

I wonder if there could be another solution to this problem. At the moment the conversion rate from USD to Euro is $0.83... I'm not an expert but the rate is only likely to climb above $1 USD to (>$0.85) Euro if global markets begin to anticipate a recovery from the pandemic. We could expect an update by then. Not to mention, the recent Suez Canal... incident. I didn't want to bump this thread since the GB is currently postponed but I wanted to share my two cents. Hopefully there are others who would like to see this set come back to market just as much as I do.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Postponed, Updates to follow
Post by: dimo on Thu, 08 July 2021, 11:47:42
HELLO
Title: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Postponed, Updates to follow
Post by: andreiborisov on Tue, 26 October 2021, 17:31:00
This set is Silent Hills of keycaps
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Postponed, Updates to follow
Post by: dimo on Sun, 14 November 2021, 12:03:42
updates to follow
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Postponed, Updates to follow
Post by: andreiborisov on Sun, 14 November 2021, 13:57:16
At this point I’m down even for MiTo Katakana sub-legends, although I’d prefer if biip’s would be used
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Postponed, Updates to follow
Post by: mcmcmc on Sat, 04 December 2021, 11:08:02
please bring this back, loving this set.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Postponed, Updates to follow
Post by: washwashtree on Sun, 05 December 2021, 17:22:34
please bring this back, loving this set.


NGL this set probably should stay dead. The colors clash so ****ing hard. The renders don't look that great and this set wouldn't look that great IRL. Probably should just stay here on Geekhack. I'm sure a minority of users like the look, but like, even if everyone who liked it bought it I still don't think it would be enough to hit MOQ. It's also getting harder and harder for sets to make it.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Postponed, Updates to follow
Post by: dimo on Sun, 05 December 2021, 19:35:52
please bring this back, loving this set.


NGL this set probably should stay dead. The colors clash so ****ing hard. The renders don't look that great and this set wouldn't look that great IRL. Probably should just stay here on Geekhack. I'm sure a minority of users like the look, but like, even if everyone who liked it bought it I still don't think it would be enough to hit MOQ. It's also getting harder and harder for sets to make it.
horribly subjective
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Postponed, Updates to follow
Post by: lys.nordique on Mon, 06 December 2021, 03:37:13
please bring this back, loving this set.


NGL this set probably should stay dead. The colors clash so ****ing hard. The renders don't look that great and this set wouldn't look that great IRL. Probably should just stay here on Geekhack. I'm sure a minority of users like the look, but like, even if everyone who liked it bought it I still don't think it would be enough to hit MOQ. It's also getting harder and harder for sets to make it.


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Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Postponed, Updates to follow
Post by: andreiborisov on Mon, 06 December 2021, 05:17:20
please bring this back, loving this set.


NGL this set probably should stay dead. The colors clash so ****ing hard. The renders don't look that great and this set wouldn't look that great IRL. Probably should just stay here on Geekhack. I'm sure a minority of users like the look, but like, even if everyone who liked it bought it I still don't think it would be enough to hit MOQ. It's also getting harder and harder for sets to make it.

Firstly, and I can't believe I need to say this, you should never discourage anyone from making stuff by saying things like "should stay dead". No one benefits from this, what it leads to is that designers will less likely to try out new exciting ideas in the future, since failures are actively punished. You only arrive to the brilliant stuff through a ton of experimentation and making mistakes.

Secondly, if you provide criticism, please, provide it constructively. All you're saying right now is a baseless opinion. What colors are clashing? What's wrong with the renders by pikku-alu? You have no data to tell if it would hit the MOQ or not. The last statement is plane false, hitting the MOQ is easier and easier day by day due to growth of the community, which is why we see more and more unique, experimental designs.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Postponed, Updates to follow
Post by: mr_foggy on Mon, 07 March 2022, 10:42:52
please bring it back.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Postponed, Updates to follow
Post by: krugerlive on Fri, 06 May 2022, 00:39:25
colorway and style is perfect, this should come back at some point in some form
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Postponed, Updates to follow
Post by: dimo on Wed, 06 July 2022, 18:24:45
wheeeeere. such a great set
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Postponed, Updates to follow
Post by: andreiborisov on Thu, 03 August 2023, 14:19:00
Not trying to annoy anyone, but I still hope this will return someday
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Postponed, Updates to follow
Post by: Yama on Tue, 17 December 2024, 04:06:24
consider a rerun pls
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - GB Postponed, Updates to follow
Post by: Lil on Tue, 14 January 2025, 09:29:38
Hi everyone, I've made an IC form for a rerun. Maybe nothing will come of it, but, If you are interested, please fill it out:
https://forms.gle/21jZXtkydAsM3FMq9 (https://forms.gle/21jZXtkydAsM3FMq9)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - CHECKING INTEREST FOR RERUN
Post by: ggggggg on Wed, 15 January 2025, 05:52:02
Filled. It's been years but this set is still seared into my eyes (in the very best way).
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - CHECKING INTEREST FOR RERUN
Post by: rayy on Wed, 15 January 2025, 07:14:11
as a newer hobbyist, the colors and theme are to-die-for (if it's your thing).
last I could remember though, a lot of people have moved on from vaporwave aesthetics, heck- even the short lived "frutiger-aero" is already declining in popularity.
ill still be filling out the IC, for the off chance it gains traction & to pay respect to the online era.
  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - CHECKING INTEREST FOR RERUN
Post by: DivinaPapaya on Thu, 16 January 2025, 06:25:44
Excited to see it being possibly rerun :)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - CHECKING INTEREST FOR RERUN
Post by: Daudod on Thu, 16 January 2025, 07:33:04
IC filled. I would love seeing this set again run
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - CHECKING INTEREST FOR RERUN
Post by: Volien on Sat, 18 January 2025, 01:46:04
IC filled! Love this set!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - CHECKING INTEREST FOR RERUN
Post by: mr_foggy on Mon, 03 February 2025, 16:56:50
IC filled out. it would be nice to see some community driven set every once in a while.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - CHECKING INTEREST FOR RERUN
Post by: SwitchKeys on Tue, 04 February 2025, 14:40:05
bring it on!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - CHECKING INTEREST FOR RERUN
Post by: ingenyeur on Sun, 09 February 2025, 13:46:17
filled out IC
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - CHECKING INTEREST FOR RERUN
Post by: MartinThePolarBear on Sun, 09 February 2025, 16:16:42
Just filled out the IC for the rerun

Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - CHECKING INTEREST FOR RERUN
Post by: CJKnero on Thu, 20 February 2025, 14:38:16
R2 would be amazing! 
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - CHECKING INTEREST FOR RERUN
Post by: Lil on Thu, 20 March 2025, 17:12:14
There have been 60 responses so far... almost everyone prefers cherry profile as their first choice. With lower numbers it might be a possibility of running things with KKB - what do people think versus CYL GMK?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - CHECKING INTEREST FOR RERUN
Post by: MartinThePolarBear on Thu, 20 March 2025, 17:13:25
There have been 60 responses so far... almost everyone prefers cherry profile as their first choice. With lower numbers it might be a possibility of running things with KKB - what do people think versus CYL GMK?

I don't mind either
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - CHECKING INTEREST FOR RERUN
Post by: Lil on Thu, 20 March 2025, 17:16:02
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Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - CHECKING INTEREST FOR RERUN
Post by: Narcolepsy on Thu, 20 March 2025, 19:27:48
I'd prefer the set running with GMK, but I know that the current market with GMK has not been looking good with two sets already failed to meet MoQ and what I feel may be a few more sets on that way as well. I would take KKB as an alternative if needed.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - CHECKING INTEREST FOR RERUN
Post by: Trackpoint on Thu, 20 March 2025, 19:56:09
Same here: prefer GMK, but would still likely get it if switched to KKB. Probably should have been a question for the IC form.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - CHECKING INTEREST FOR RERUN
Post by: FoxandFoundry on Fri, 21 March 2025, 02:11:19
Please run with GMK.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - CHECKING INTEREST FOR RERUN
Post by: Trackpoint on Fri, 21 March 2025, 14:36:30
I'm actually curious how many GMK and KKB sets try to run and are cancelled in comparison to one another. These numbers are probably off, but looking at Keycaplendar in the past year (from March 2024 to now) they show 45 GMK sets and 16 KKB sets run. Those aren't all traditional GBs though, and include some where large vendors do a preorder. A handful of the GMK ones are just smaller add-on kits (although I'm not sure how that affects the odds of being canceled, def more niche though), and I dunno how CYL vs MTNU might affect things. This includes some GBs that are still ongoing, but several GMK ones have recently hit MOQ (e.g, Black & Gold, GMK Verdant Retro). Maybe some canceled ones aren't listed on Keycaplendar though, or I might be miscounting of course.

In that time period I only see two canceled GMK sets (Lilies of the Valley and Hippo). There are four canceled KKB sets during that same period (Buff Bride, Verdigris, Yōkai, and Henchmen). It does suggest that GMK sets have a significantly higher chance of succeeding, though I'm sure so much is set dependent. KKB I think makes lower MOQs possible? I'm not a designer so I'm not sure.

Someone like Dvorcol could do a way better analysis though.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - CHECKING INTEREST FOR RERUN
Post by: mr_foggy on Sat, 22 March 2025, 13:26:17
answered! no hard preference about the manu, as GMK is slowly raising their prices beyond reasonablesness I won't complain about a KKB alternative
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - CHECKING INTEREST FOR RERUN
Post by: Lil on Sat, 22 March 2025, 13:32:04
No worries, i've listened to you and I will try my best to make it work
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - CHECKING INTEREST FOR RERUN
Post by: Trackpoint on Sat, 22 March 2025, 16:51:24
answered! no hard preference about the manu, as GMK is slowly raising their prices beyond reasonablesness I won't complain about a KKB alternative

Makes me wonder about how much GMK basekit prices have changed, though I'm not about to figure that out. Especially tough when GB pages here don't say the prices and the vendor pages are lost to time. My very first GMK GB (Yeeti back in early 2021) actually had a more expensive basekit than the last GMK CYL set I got (Delta R2), and that doesn't even account for inflation so Delta was even cheaper. Probably depends the time frame of the comparison, and of course MOQ (Delta would have been even cheaper if more people had joined).
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - CHECKING INTEREST FOR RERUN
Post by: mr_foggy on Wed, 23 April 2025, 09:48:31
answered! no hard preference about the manu, as GMK is slowly raising their prices beyond reasonablesness I won't complain about a KKB alternative

Makes me wonder about how much GMK basekit prices have changed, though I'm not about to figure that out. Especially tough when GB pages here don't say the prices and the vendor pages are lost to time. My very first GMK GB (Yeeti back in early 2021) actually had a more expensive basekit than the last GMK CYL set I got (Delta R2), and that doesn't even account for inflation so Delta was even cheaper. Probably depends the time frame of the comparison, and of course MOQ (Delta would have been even cheaper if more people had joined).

can speak for my side of the world: most basekits in GB were like 125-129 EUR in 2021, now we're above 150. taxes didn't change. delta was an isolated case (they tried to bring back price scaling by MOQ), but MOQ never really played a part in pricing for the end customer in these last few years (only increased margins for the vendor).
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - CHECKING INTEREST FOR RERUN
Post by: dvorcol on Wed, 23 April 2025, 10:10:22
Makes me wonder about how much GMK basekit prices have changed, though I'm not about to figure that out. Especially tough when GB pages here don't say the prices and the vendor pages are lost to time.

You can find info on past GBs in KeycapLendar (https://keycaplendar.firebaseapp.com/previous). The sales graphs usually show US pricing. Not every GB has a sales graph, but many do, especially if you look back a few years.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - CHECKING INTEREST FOR RERUN
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Wed, 23 April 2025, 11:32:40
We had GBs with numpad in em for USD 110$ apiece from late 19 through 2022 and “MOQ only mattered for the vendor margins?” Not for several USA vendors.  Between Olivia R2 (110$ base) in 2019 and Mictlan in 2022 there were high MOQ sets with low prices. Gmk Mictlan had two base kits each with numpad in em for 99$ each at GB in mid 2022.

Yes, Kono had several sets with high MOQ and high prices; Shoko 2 and Rainy Day stand out. Novelkeys and Omni had significant savings, and had sets w giant orders (>10K base kits worldwide). Cannonkeys had sets in the 120s$, and they had higher prices before and after.

Tariff threat and weaker dollar will change the price here in the states and be another wrinkle, but higher MOQ lowered prices even without the price drop model from the 2010s.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - CHECKING INTEREST FOR RERUN
Post by: mr_foggy on Wed, 23 April 2025, 11:49:35
Between Olivia R2 (110$ base) in 2019 and Mictlan in 2022 there were high MOQ sets with low prices. Gmk Mictlan had two base kits each with numpad in em for 99$ each at GB in mid 2022.
olivia R2 in 2019 falls outside of the timeframe I mentioned, and mictlan was a peak of the hobby set. two isolated examples in regional pricing hardly make a standard rule
edit: and they also don't make a counter argument to GMK prices objectively steadily increasing. how many $99 (or $110) GMK GBs have we seen in the last 2 years?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - CHECKING INTEREST FOR RERUN
Post by: rayy on Wed, 23 April 2025, 11:55:53
No worries, i've listened to you and I will try my best to make it work
Any further progress, Mr. Iconographic? :-[
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - CHECKING INTEREST FOR RERUN
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Wed, 23 April 2025, 12:32:43
2021 had…two gmk olive base kits at 99$, serika two base kits at 110$, metropolis midnight 110$, Dracula v2 had 3 concurrent base kits at 115, striker r2 at 110. I forget if 80082 was late 20’or early 21 but that was 99$x2 base kits.

Last two years, yes there’s cheap base kits, and they’re the ones w high MOQ (was it 3000?) I think it’s been like 2.5 years since Hineybeige was 99, so that doesn’t count. Black snail, Evil Dolch base was like 89$, BRG 2 all do tho.

2022 into 2023 had group buy sales fall off considerably-vendors began failing, extras were plentiful.

I think USA vendors had a stretch where they knew preorders were going to be big, they were gonna buy many extras, and the price was low. That begins before 2021 and extends after it Mictlan and Hineybeige.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Iconographic - CHECKING INTEREST FOR RERUN
Post by: Lil on Thu, 24 April 2025, 19:30:22
Waiting to hear back, will update when i have further news