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geekhack Community => Input Devices => Topic started by: Blackbird++ on Thu, 12 August 2010, 11:19:21
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Hi,
I'm looking for a real good quality mouse.
I mean, isn't there anything like a Filco keyboard or Cherry MX switches in the context of mice?
It's the same as for keyboards for me before;
I used to be more or less happy with standard things, in this case a Microsoft mouse, but I get more'n'more dissappointed with it, so I ask you for advice.
I hope, I will get such a good quality tip like Cherry MX switches in the keyboard context before. ;)
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I, for one, am a trackball user. It has helped eliminate my minor RSI issues, possibly through change alone.
Well, I use the cheap (in more ways than one) logitech wired trackman wheel and have been looking for a mouse that rivals the greatness of a good mech board.
Since coming here, I have been saving all my change for a CST L-Trac(or new L-TracX). WANT WANT WANT.
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Hi,
I'm looking for a real good quality mouse.
I mean, isn't there anything like a Filco keyboard or Cherry MX switches in the context of mice?
It's the same as for keyboards for me before;
I used to be more or less happy with standard things, in this case a Microsoft mouse, but I get more'n'more dissappointed with it, so I ask you for advice.
I hope, I will get such a good quality tip like Cherry MX switches in the keyboard context before. ;)
One of the best mice made were the ScrollPoint Pros:
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSgZNRaqTC2DLMNRPlr9SgnSx0Ox5_IWwgZUAIUIaV6xfCTCNc&t=1&usg=__AF7SIKhRp1rn1Us77Hoq0NLMWE0=)
They're fairly simple, ergonomic, yet extremely helpful, especially for panning in large graphics with the "scrollpoint" stick.
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I, for one, am a trackball user.
Since coming here, I have been saving all my change for a CST L-Trac(or new L-TracX). WANT WANT WANT.
#1 he was asking for a mouse, not a trackball.
#2 what you want is technically irrelevant to what the fellow asking the question wants.
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Hi,
I'm looking for a real good quality mouse.
I mean, isn't there anything like a Filco keyboard or Cherry MX switches in the context of mice?
It's the same as for keyboards for me before;
I used to be more or less happy with standard things, in this case a Microsoft mouse, but I get more'n'more dissappointed with it, so I ask you for advice.
I hope, I will get such a good quality tip like Cherry MX switches in the keyboard context before. ;)
Steelseries Ikari or Xai.
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especially for panning in large graphics with the "scrollpoint" stick.
1# He did not ask about panning large graphics. What YOU do is technically irrelevant to what the fellow asking the question does.
To the OP, sorry if a trackball is not your thing. I'm sure, unlike some people, your brain functions well enough to accept or discard information fairly dynamically, and so I felt it worth mentioning. Especially after I read:
I mean, isn't there anything like a Filco keyboard or Cherry MX switches in the context of mice?
I automatically though of the L-Trac. Bad-ass. Either way, just throwing it out there.
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Well it's just simple, I don't need any extra things.
The only thing I use my mouse to is browsing.
If I can browse with that mouse (not trackball, I hate trackballs ^^ ) and if it is good quality, then it is good.
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Well it's just simple, I don't need any extra things.
The only thing I use my mouse to is browsing.
Is there a reason you need this super mouse even though the only thing you'll be doing is surfing for porn? People are usually looking for high end mice because they want extra buttons for productivity or gaming purposes or they have hand problems.
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They're fairly simple, ergonomic, yet extremely helpful, especially for panning in large graphics with the "scrollpoint" stick.
If you let me weer slightly off-topic for a while:
I prefer mice with a third center-positioned button on the top instead of scrollwheel, myself.
I wish there was an option in the operating systems to press and hold the middle mouse button and move the mouse in the direction that I want to pan and the OS would insert a simulated scrollwheel motion accordingly. The farther the mouse is from the initial position, the faster the pan is, as if the mouse was an analog joystick without a spring.
This is the complete opposite from the tool with the "hand"-shaped mouse pointer.
The really old program Ghostview (gv) under Unix/Linux had this mode. I find it to be superior to scrollwheels for panning in large documents.
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Let me tell you a cool story. A guy called gr1m bought a 1800dpi first generation Deathadder a couple of years back. One of the side buttons caved in and it got filthy to a point of being impossible to clean, so a month ago gr1m decided to upgrade to the next "top dog" in gaming mice, the Logitech G500.
Gr1m knew that the laser sensor on the G500 was purported to be just as good as optical sensors, which up until the G500 were hands down superior to any other laser sensor (for example, the Deathadder's 1800dpi 3G sensor is quantifiably the highest performing sensor to date).
A month later, after jiggly cursors, erratic scrolling and lots of discomfort (probably because Logitech mice are big and heavy as opposed to the Deathadder which is light and small), gr1m pulled out his old, battered Deathadder, put the G500 in his closet and now he can snipe in TF2 again. He is one with his mouse once more.
Long story short, try to get your hands on an old Deathadder for the best tracking experience of your life. You might not like it's other aspects though, it was a ***** to get used to when I first bought it and Razer has pretty bad support and flimsy build quality.
*edit
On a side note, I really don't know where you can get an old 3G Deathadder these days (there's only the updated 3500dpi model floating around and it's laser, so it's not worth the trouble). I e-mailed Razer to see how I could get my hands on a brand new 1800dpi Deathadder. I'll post when I get a response, if you're interested.
Steelseries Ikari or Xai.
To add to this, the Xai apparently has the same optical-matching laser sensor of the G500, except without the problems that plague the G500 model. Worth a shot if you have the money. I might just buy a Xai myself.
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The really old program Ghostview (gv) under Unix/Linux had this mode. I find it to be superior to scrollwheels for panning in large documents.
The Apple Magic mouse is really really awesome if you're looking for something to use for panning big documents. The problem is the mouse that it's attached to. If I could slap the top of that mouse on something else, I'd love it to pieces.
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I also vote for a Logitech MX518...
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Depends how far you want to go in to it. Are you wanting to play games?
EDIT: I just saw your second post.
What everyone is recommending you are gaming mice - they will have no place on your setup if you don't play games. Plus the MX518 is awfully unergonomic, so you may experience cramps.
I noticed you posted about about the Microsoft mouse. I'm guessing it's a Wheel Mouse Optical or something similar. I'd recommend you the Intellimouse Explorer 3.0, also made by Microsoft, and if you do play any games, will suit most needs.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Microsoft-B75-00115-Intellimouse-Explorer-3-0/dp/B000JVRFHG
Hope this helps! :)
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Thank you. As already said, I don't need a super mouse.
I'm just looking for some 'expert' ;) opinions, as before on keyboards.
But I think if you say there is no kind of special tip here, I will find my own.
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+1 for the mx518 thats what all 5 of mine are
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Classical gaming mouse? Say no more! You want the Microsoft WMO or Microsot Intellimouse 1.1A Although, if side buttons are a must have, the Intellimouse Explorer 3.0 is not to bad. I have the WMO and it really does a fine job with First Person Shooters.
You can find a WMO on newegg for under $15
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Classical gaming mouse? Say no more! You want the Microsoft WMO or Microsot Intellimouse 1.1A Although, if side buttons are a must have, the Intellimouse Explorer 3.0 is not to bad. I have the WMO and it really does a fine job with First Person Shooters.
You can find a WMO on newegg for under $15
I have to agree:
(http://www.dcs-online.biz/shop/images/microsoft/wmo_hero.jpg)
I've used one of those mice for a good handful of years, they don't break and just keep working fine. They look pretty nice too.
Although a weird thing is that the scroll wheel mechanism relies on little rubber grooves within the wheel itself to detect movement. If I recall, spinning the wheel really fast (too fast for the grooves to catch on) causes it not to detect anything, or it just gets confused.
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yeah i know what you mean. I can move my finger up and down really fast while having it on the scroll wheel and it does get "confused". But i really have no reason to be doing that...ever lol.
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Let me tell you a cool story. A guy called gr1m bought a 1800dpi first generation Deathadder a couple of years back. One of the side buttons caved in and it got filthy to a point of being impossible to clean, so a month ago gr1m decided to upgrade to the next "top dog" in gaming mice, the Logitech G500.
Gr1m knew that the laser sensor on the G500 was purported to be just as good as optical sensors, which up until the G500 were hands down superior to any other laser sensor (for example, the Deathadder's 1800dpi 3G sensor is quantifiably the highest performing sensor to date).
A month later, after jiggly cursors, erratic scrolling and lots of discomfort (probably because Logitech mice are big and heavy as opposed to the Deathadder which is light and small), gr1m pulled out his old, battered Deathadder, put the G500 in his closet and now he can snipe in TF2 again. He is one with his mouse once more.
*snip*
To add to this, the Xai apparently has the same optical-matching laser sensor of the G500, except without the problems that plague the G500 model. Worth a shot if you have the money. I might just buy a Xai myself.
I don't notice these issues with my G500. How can I verify that they're actually there?
The cursor's steady if I'm not moving it, the scroll wheel works nicely in detent mode (better than the G5, actually, since the detents correspond perfectly to the actual mouse wheel up/down signal every time), there are no obvious tracking flaws like negative acceleration, and most of all, I find every single button on that mouse quite invaluable.
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I think this is what you need.
(http://cdn1.ioffer.com/img/item/912/083/41/o_1225080012.JPG)
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mice that you can never go wrong with (these all have amazing tracking, any debates between them really are just about preference):
ms wmo
ms 1.1/1.1a
ms 3.0
logitech mx518
razer deathadder
newer mice can be very hit or miss, and plus they are significantly more expensive. up to you though~
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I'm agreed with Ripster: buy a cheap-ass mouse and throw it away when it's dirty. Mice are under $5 these days and the guts are all the same; go crazy and buy a half-dozen different kinds and figure out which one fits your hand and needs the best.
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With Newegg OEM offerings being so cheap, I do the same thing. Toss and re-buy.
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Yeah, I'll use any old crap-tastic mouse that comes my way. Ultimately, I prefer my Trackman, which is on my desk at work and, therefore, gets more use than any mouse I have. I do have a good mouse (some Razer or other that my wife tried and rejected), but I don't find it any more or less useful/accurate/comfortable than any other mouse. The main reason I use it is because my wife spent something like $50 on it before she decided she didn't like it...