why isn't the actual designer posting?
this is the second time this has happened, but fishy ain't banned....
this seems fishy bois
why isn't the actual designer posting?
this is the second time this has happened, but fishy ain't banned....
this seems fishy bois
my account is not old enough, so seh0nky was kind enough to post it for me :)
why isn't the actual designer posting?
this is the second time this has happened, but fishy ain't banned....
this seems fishy bois
How is a Japanese sunset different than a sunset anywhere else?It was inspired by a Japanese painting of a sunset, with a red moon above a mountain.
Half of the renders say Win instead of Super :thumb:
Half of the renders say Win instead of Super :thumb:
Yeah, that is a mistake, sorry :(
I will let you know that the final kit will have "super" for tsangan layouts. Thanks for pointing this out!
Listen it was a mistake, why are you trying to nitpick stuff, cmon manHalf of the renders say Win instead of Super :thumb:
Yeah, that is a mistake, sorry :(
I will let you know that the final kit will have "super" for tsangan layouts. Thanks for pointing this out!
but even some of the non tsangan layouts say win
This is a prime example of people who abuse KRK and don't learn to render themselves. Look at almost all other ICs and you will undoubtedly see much higher quality renders, IC presentation, kitting and colour matching.
Go have a look and come back when you've decided you want to try a little harder.
This is a prime example of people who abuse KRK and don't learn to render themselves. Look at almost all other ICs and you will undoubtedly see much higher quality renders, IC presentation, kitting and colour matching.
Go have a look and come back when you've decided you want to try a little harder.
We will be color matching this set - this is the first IC, to gauge interest in the colorway. With the 95% positive response we have received, we will be moving onto physical color matching. I'm not sure what you mean by IC presentation and kitting; i think the IC does just fine to showcase the colorway, and the kitting is also quite good, we have discussed it with multiple members of the community.
This is a prime example of people who abuse KRK and don't learn to render themselves. Look at almost all other ICs and you will undoubtedly see much higher quality renders, IC presentation, kitting and colour matching.
Go have a look and come back when you've decided you want to try a little harder.
We will be color matching this set - this is the first IC, to gauge interest in the colorway. With the 95% positive response we have received, we will be moving onto physical color matching. I'm not sure what you mean by IC presentation and kitting; i think the IC does just fine to showcase the colorway, and the kitting is also quite good, we have discussed it with multiple members of the community.
The kitting is quite good? You're an absolute joke.
Your colleague DMed me, here's what I had to say. https://imgur.com/a/5XuB9QP
Listen it was a mistake, why are you trying to nitpick stuff, cmon manHalf of the renders say Win instead of Super :thumb:
Yeah, that is a mistake, sorry :(
I will let you know that the final kit will have "super" for tsangan layouts. Thanks for pointing this out!
but even some of the non tsangan layouts say win
edit: did you seriously just market 1800 support without a 1u numpad 0
Listen it was a mistake, why are you trying to nitpick stuff, cmon manHalf of the renders say Win instead of Super :thumb:
Yeah, that is a mistake, sorry :(
I will let you know that the final kit will have "super" for tsangan layouts. Thanks for pointing this out!
but even some of the non tsangan layouts say win
i'm just saying it because non of your renders use tsangan layout lol
This is a prime example of people who abuse KRK and don't learn to render themselves. Look at almost all other ICs and you will undoubtedly see much higher quality renders, IC presentation, kitting and colour matching.
Go have a look and come back when you've decided you want to try a little harder.
We will be color matching this set - this is the first IC, to gauge interest in the colorway. With the 95% positive response we have received, we will be moving onto physical color matching. I'm not sure what you mean by IC presentation and kitting; i think the IC does just fine to showcase the colorway, and the kitting is also quite good, we have discussed it with multiple members of the community.
The kitting is quite good? You're an absolute joke.
Your colleague DMed me, here's what I had to say. https://imgur.com/a/5XuB9QP
This is a prime example of people who abuse KRK and don't learn to render themselves. Look at almost all other ICs and you will undoubtedly see much higher quality renders, IC presentation, kitting and colour matching.
Go have a look and come back when you've decided you want to try a little harder.
We will be color matching this set - this is the first IC, to gauge interest in the colorway. With the 95% positive response we have received, we will be moving onto physical color matching. I'm not sure what you mean by IC presentation and kitting; i think the IC does just fine to showcase the colorway, and the kitting is also quite good, we have discussed it with multiple members of the community.
The kitting is quite good? You're an absolute joke.
Your colleague DMed me, here's what I had to say. https://imgur.com/a/5XuB9QP
you forgot to add the part where you say 'stop turning down my feedback and instead open up to it. i'm much more experienced than you, and though that sounds narcissistic, it's true and is a very good reason to accept the feedback i give.'
Listen it was a mistake, why are you trying to nitpick stuff, cmon manHalf of the renders say Win instead of Super :thumb:
Yeah, that is a mistake, sorry :(
I will let you know that the final kit will have "super" for tsangan layouts. Thanks for pointing this out!
but even some of the non tsangan layouts say win
i'm just saying it because non of your renders use tsangan layout lol
Ah sorry I misread what you said, apologies
This is a prime example of people who abuse KRK and don't learn to render themselves. Look at almost all other ICs and you will undoubtedly see much higher quality renders, IC presentation, kitting and colour matching.
Go have a look and come back when you've decided you want to try a little harder.
We will be color matching this set - this is the first IC, to gauge interest in the colorway. With the 95% positive response we have received, we will be moving onto physical color matching. I'm not sure what you mean by IC presentation and kitting; i think the IC does just fine to showcase the colorway, and the kitting is also quite good, we have discussed it with multiple members of the community.
The kitting is quite good? You're an absolute joke.
Your colleague DMed me, here's what I had to say. https://imgur.com/a/5XuB9QP
You're posting a dm of you calling me a moron and illiterate, I'm trying to be nice here and see your point of view, but when you phrase things in a way where it just seems like a rant it is hard.
This is a prime example of people who abuse KRK and don't learn to render themselves. Look at almost all other ICs and you will undoubtedly see much higher quality renders, IC presentation, kitting and colour matching.
Go have a look and come back when you've decided you want to try a little harder.
We will be color matching this set - this is the first IC, to gauge interest in the colorway. With the 95% positive response we have received, we will be moving onto physical color matching. I'm not sure what you mean by IC presentation and kitting; i think the IC does just fine to showcase the colorway, and the kitting is also quite good, we have discussed it with multiple members of the community.
The kitting is quite good? You're an absolute joke.
Your colleague DMed me, here's what I had to say. https://imgur.com/a/5XuB9QP
You're posting a dm of you calling me a moron and illiterate, I'm trying to be nice here and see your point of view, but when you phrase things in a way where it just seems like a rant it is hard.
You best believe it's a rant, you did not at all see my point of view and instead immediately threw it.
Also, I apologise for my charged language, I was just mad that you didn't seem to want to listen to anything anyone had to say.
Listen it was a mistake, why are you trying to nitpick stuff, cmon manHalf of the renders say Win instead of Super :thumb:
Yeah, that is a mistake, sorry :(
I will let you know that the final kit will have "super" for tsangan layouts. Thanks for pointing this out!
but even some of the non tsangan layouts say win
Listen it was a mistake, why are you trying to nitpick stuff, cmon manHalf of the renders say Win instead of Super :thumb:
Yeah, that is a mistake, sorry :(
I will let you know that the final kit will have "super" for tsangan layouts. Thanks for pointing this out!
but even some of the non tsangan layouts say win
This is how this community works. People nitpick until they get it right. The biggest pet peeve of this community is people rushing ICs/being unprepared, not fixing MINOR AND EASILY FIXABLE mistakes before posting IC, and the set/renders just being low effort/quality in general.
This is how this community works. People nitpick until they get it right. The biggest pet peeve of this community is people rushing ICs/being unprepared, not fixing MINOR AND EASILY FIXABLE mistakes before posting IC, and the set/renders just being low effort/quality in general.
QuoteThis is how this community works. People nitpick until they get it right. The biggest pet peeve of this community is people rushing ICs/being unprepared, not fixing MINOR AND EASILY FIXABLE mistakes before posting IC, and the set/renders just being low effort/quality in general.
I think the designer admits that the nitpicking on kitting and other actual keycaps-related stuff is important. Behind the scenes, he's working very hard to fix and improve things based on constructive feedback. However, with that said, some of the feedback just seems weird like debating about the shadows cast in the renders by the keyboard? What's the point of that? How does that affect what the keycaps will look like? Another comment previously asked why the background red stripe was a different size relative to the other strips. It seems like it was just a design choice by the designer and the people who did the renders. If people don't like it, that's fine, but at the end of the day, those background stripes will NOT affect how the keycaps turn out.
Also, keep in mind that not every designer who posts an IC is super experienced. For many of them, it's literally their first time. There are no strict guidelines or rules about how to structure or post an IC on GH. So, it makes sense to just let the community vote on it. The best presented ICs will likely get more comments and views, which will likely lead to better and more feedback, which in turn likely lead to a more successful group buy. The ones that are more simple, will likely not receive as much feedback, which likely will lead to a worse potential group buy turn out if at all. People will just naturally learn and improve from this structure. It doesn't make sense for random community members to police this and force people to post ICs in a specific way if there are no written guidelines and rules on GH itself.
Finally, keep in mind that "low effort" is relative to your experience and age. If you're an experienced keycap designer and have launched many successful ICs + GBs on GH, then this might be considered low effort relative to your skillset. However, for someone else who just started learning about designing keycaps and doesn't come from a design-focused day job, an IC like this might already be a high effort for them. Age also matters. I learn much faster at my current age than when I was younger. Not everyone on Geekhack is an adult. The hobby has grown tremendously over the last few years and many of the new members are younger than people realize. I personally wish I was half as talented as they were when I was their age.
So in the end just think about how you voice your criticism. There is an actual human behind the design and post. Yes, the community benefits from rising standards, but I just do not see how it can benefit when members basically cyberbully other members disguising it as "feedback". Basically, what you say matters, but how you say it matters just as much.
I appreciate the kind words :) I would like to assure everyone that I am reading and taking in all feedback and criticism and improving based on it. I know some of you mentioned slight errors in the renders and don’t worry, they will be fixed. As for other feedback the best way to give it is by filling out the ic form and saying what you want there. I appreciate all the feedback and look forward to working on changes with this set.QuoteThis is how this community works. People nitpick until they get it right. The biggest pet peeve of this community is people rushing ICs/being unprepared, not fixing MINOR AND EASILY FIXABLE mistakes before posting IC, and the set/renders just being low effort/quality in general.
I think the designer admits that the nitpicking on kitting and other actual keycaps-related stuff is important. Behind the scenes, he's working very hard to fix and improve things based on constructive feedback. However, with that said, some of the feedback just seems weird like debating about the shadows cast in the renders by the keyboard? What's the point of that? How does that affect what the keycaps will look like? Another comment previously asked why the background red stripe was a different size relative to the other strips. It seems like it was just a design choice by the designer and the people who did the renders. If people don't like it, that's fine, but at the end of the day, those background stripes will NOT affect how the keycaps turn out.
Also, keep in mind that not every designer who posts an IC is super experienced. For many of them, it's literally their first time. There are no strict guidelines or rules about how to structure or post an IC on GH. So, it makes sense to just let the community vote on it. The best presented ICs will likely get more comments and views, which will likely lead to better and more feedback, which in turn likely lead to a more successful group buy. The ones that are more simple, will likely not receive as much feedback, which likely will lead to a worse potential group buy turn out if at all. People will just naturally learn and improve from this structure. It doesn't make sense for random community members to police this and force people to post ICs in a specific way if there are no written guidelines and rules on GH itself.
Finally, keep in mind that "low effort" is relative to your experience and age. If you're an experienced keycap designer and have launched many successful ICs + GBs on GH, then this might be considered low effort relative to your skillset. However, for someone else who just started learning about designing keycaps and doesn't come from a design-focused day job, an IC like this might already be a high effort for them. Age also matters. I learn much faster at my current age than when I was younger. Not everyone on Geekhack is an adult. The hobby has grown tremendously over the last few years and many of the new members are younger than people realize. I personally wish I was half as talented as they were when I was their age.
So in the end just think about how you voice your criticism. There is an actual human behind the design and post. Yes, the community benefits from rising standards, but I just do not see how it can benefit when members basically cyberbully other members disguising it as "feedback". Basically, what you say matters, but how you say it matters just as much.
Thank you for putting this into words, I've been noticing this for a while now but couldn't really explain it. What I see in this particular case is someone that truly did put a lot of work in and overlooked a few things because they are new, but immediately fixed them when they were pointed out. And they learned from it - I'm sure the same mistakes won't happen again. Also, in my opinion, the amount of detail in this IC is a perfect amount to gauge interest. Like what you said about younger people, not everyone has the money to afford a dozen renders + novelty designs + whatever else for what is supposed to be the preliminary stage of a keycap set's development. The standard for this has gotten kinda ridiculous and gatekeepy. If you don't like it, give some constructive criticism without being a **** and move on.
I'm not trying to say there shouldn't be a high standard, but this one in particular is perfectly fine, and is/will be a pretty good set.
Tbh, I am quite confuse either this set will use icon mod or text + icon mod. Either I did not read, or is it actually not written anywhere since the base kit and board render has different style of mod.
I am not too familiar with gradient set, but I think the additional "B" for alice support should follow the "N" color.
Love it! Any chance we can get a sunset novelty like this one?Show Image(https://pm1.narvii.com/6564/e41bd3d78d0bf8470510b60dabc1f1ce66cff23c_hq.jpg)
Tbh, I am quite confuse either this set will use icon mod or text + icon mod. Either I did not read, or is it actually not written anywhere since the base kit and board render has different style of mod.
I am not too familiar with gradient set, but I think the additional "B" for alice support should follow the "N" color.
Hi, I am very sorry that the renders are different, this set will be icon mod. They will be changed. The B will also be changed like you said as I have realized that may look better. :)
I did not decline anything actually, you said b wouldn’t work which it will, this is just about color :) you’ve also already said numerous times you do not like the set, no need to keep leaving commentsTbh, I am quite confuse either this set will use icon mod or text + icon mod. Either I did not read, or is it actually not written anywhere since the base kit and board render has different style of mod.
I am not too familiar with gradient set, but I think the additional "B" for alice support should follow the "N" color.
Hi, I am very sorry that the renders are different, this set will be icon mod. They will be changed. The B will also be changed like you said as I have realized that may look better. :)
Even after you declined that when I said it, you're hilarious.
Tbh, I am quite confuse either this set will use icon mod or text + icon mod. Either I did not read, or is it actually not written anywhere since the base kit and board render has different style of mod.
I am not too familiar with gradient set, but I think the additional "B" for alice support should follow the "N" color.
Hi, I am very sorry that the renders are different, this set will be icon mod. They will be changed. The B will also be changed like you said as I have realized that may look better. :)
Even after you declined that when I said it, you're hilarious.
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Thanks for this feedback, it seems like there are many people who would like no sublegends so we are going to remove them and think about having a separate kit.
Very cute! Please consider offering two base kits, with and without hiragana. I'd snag the latter for sure.
edit: I don't see what's wrong with the renders. I've seen sets going into GB with 3 board renders total without complaint. Definitely not an issue.
For what it's worth, I really like the colors and the gradient looks fantastic. Unfortunately, gradients don't work for me as I use ortho/split columnar stagger and colemak dhm. I totally understand this is too small a niche to cater to, still wish there was a cute gradient set for me one day. Good luck with your IC!
QuoteThis is how this community works. People nitpick until they get it right. The biggest pet peeve of this community is people rushing ICs/being unprepared, not fixing MINOR AND EASILY FIXABLE mistakes before posting IC, and the set/renders just being low effort/quality in general.
I think the designer admits that the nitpicking on kitting and other actual keycaps-related stuff is important. Behind the scenes, he's working very hard to fix and improve things based on constructive feedback. However, with that said, some of the feedback just seems weird like debating about the shadows cast in the renders by the keyboard? What's the point of that? How does that affect what the keycaps will look like? Another comment previously asked why the background red stripe was a different size relative to the other strips. It seems like it was just a design choice by the designer and the people who did the renders. If people don't like it, that's fine, but at the end of the day, those background stripes will NOT affect how the keycaps turn out.
Also, keep in mind that not every designer who posts an IC is super experienced. For many of them, it's literally their first time. There are no strict guidelines or rules about how to structure or post an IC on GH. So, it makes sense to just let the community vote on it. The best presented ICs will likely get more comments and views, which will likely lead to better and more feedback, which in turn likely lead to a more successful group buy. The ones that are more simple, will likely not receive as much feedback, which likely will lead to a worse potential group buy turn out if at all. People will just naturally learn and improve from this structure. It doesn't make sense for random community members to police this and force people to post ICs in a specific way if there are no written guidelines and rules on GH itself.
Finally, keep in mind that "low effort" is relative to your experience and age. If you're an experienced keycap designer and have launched many successful ICs + GBs on GH, then this might be considered low effort relative to your skillset. However, for someone else who just started learning about designing keycaps and doesn't come from a design-focused day job, an IC like this might already be a high effort for them. Age also matters. I learn much faster at my current age than when I was younger. Not everyone on Geekhack is an adult. The hobby has grown tremendously over the last few years and many of the new members are younger than people realize. I personally wish I was half as talented as they were when I was their age.
So in the end just think about how you voice your criticism. There is an actual human behind the design and post. Yes, the community benefits from rising standards, but I just do not see how it can benefit when members basically cyberbully other members disguising it as "feedback". Basically, what you say matters, but how you say it matters just as much.
Thank you for putting this into words, I've been noticing this for a while now but couldn't really explain it. What I see in this particular case is someone that truly did put a lot of work in and overlooked a few things because they are new, but immediately fixed them when they were pointed out. And they learned from it - I'm sure the same mistakes won't happen again. Also, in my opinion, the amount of detail in this IC is a perfect amount to gauge interest. Like what you said about younger people, not everyone has the money to afford a dozen renders + novelty designs + whatever else for what is supposed to be the preliminary stage of a keycap set's development. The standard for this has gotten kinda ridiculous and gatekeepy. If you don't like it, give some constructive criticism without being a **** and move on.
I'm not trying to say there shouldn't be a high standard, but this one in particular is perfectly fine, and is/will be a pretty good set.
QuoteThis is how this community works. People nitpick until they get it right. The biggest pet peeve of this community is people rushing ICs/being unprepared, not fixing MINOR AND EASILY FIXABLE mistakes before posting IC, and the set/renders just being low effort/quality in general.
I think the designer admits that the nitpicking on kitting and other actual keycaps-related stuff is important. Behind the scenes, he's working very hard to fix and improve things based on constructive feedback. However, with that said, some of the feedback just seems weird like debating about the shadows cast in the renders by the keyboard? What's the point of that? How does that affect what the keycaps will look like? Another comment previously asked why the background red stripe was a different size relative to the other strips. It seems like it was just a design choice by the designer and the people who did the renders. If people don't like it, that's fine, but at the end of the day, those background stripes will NOT affect how the keycaps turn out.
Also, keep in mind that not every designer who posts an IC is super experienced. For many of them, it's literally their first time. There are no strict guidelines or rules about how to structure or post an IC on GH. So, it makes sense to just let the community vote on it. The best presented ICs will likely get more comments and views, which will likely lead to better and more feedback, which in turn likely lead to a more successful group buy. The ones that are more simple, will likely not receive as much feedback, which likely will lead to a worse potential group buy turn out if at all. People will just naturally learn and improve from this structure. It doesn't make sense for random community members to police this and force people to post ICs in a specific way if there are no written guidelines and rules on GH itself.
Finally, keep in mind that "low effort" is relative to your experience and age. If you're an experienced keycap designer and have launched many successful ICs + GBs on GH, then this might be considered low effort relative to your skillset. However, for someone else who just started learning about designing keycaps and doesn't come from a design-focused day job, an IC like this might already be a high effort for them. Age also matters. I learn much faster at my current age than when I was younger. Not everyone on Geekhack is an adult. The hobby has grown tremendously over the last few years and many of the new members are younger than people realize. I personally wish I was half as talented as they were when I was their age.
So in the end just think about how you voice your criticism. There is an actual human behind the design and post. Yes, the community benefits from rising standards, but I just do not see how it can benefit when members basically cyberbully other members disguising it as "feedback". Basically, what you say matters, but how you say it matters just as much.
Thank you for putting this into words, I've been noticing this for a while now but couldn't really explain it. What I see in this particular case is someone that truly did put a lot of work in and overlooked a few things because they are new, but immediately fixed them when they were pointed out. And they learned from it - I'm sure the same mistakes won't happen again. Also, in my opinion, the amount of detail in this IC is a perfect amount to gauge interest. Like what you said about younger people, not everyone has the money to afford a dozen renders + novelty designs + whatever else for what is supposed to be the preliminary stage of a keycap set's development. The standard for this has gotten kinda ridiculous and gatekeepy. If you don't like it, give some constructive criticism without being a **** and move on.
I'm not trying to say there shouldn't be a high standard, but this one in particular is perfectly fine, and is/will be a pretty good set.