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Title: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: Hipyo on Tue, 23 March 2021, 15:13:58
(https://imgur.com/Z2ZHHs8.png)
PBT Toby is part face, part icon.
IC Form: https://forms.gle/b4WFrGEYTn66GpiZ8 (https://forms.gle/b4WFrGEYTn66GpiZ8)

Inspiration

This set is based on my buddy Toby, (https://www.instagram.com/barrett_creative/ (https://www.instagram.com/barrett_creative/)) a woodworker and solid meme of a guy.
The set has inspirations from woodworking, but also Toby's signature outfit. He has cameoed in some of my YouTube videos and streams, and has gained a cult following. 
I was a bit inspired by other face sets, but decided to go my own direction with how I portray the face and kept it more minimal to not impact kitting too heavily.

PBT toby incorporates calming flesh tones Alphas, golden and beard colored accents, and elegant green mods.

This idea was conceived as a late night meme, and then developed over time into a real thing. One night on discord we all changed our profile pictures and names to Toby and the idea was conceived to make all things Toby.
After that, It all started with a reddit post that got over 1k upvotes
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/m10dzy/my_good_bud_toby_just_got_into_keyboards_and/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/m10dzy/my_good_bud_toby_just_got_into_keyboards_and/)


Kitting


(https://imgur.com/7sOfy0Z.png)

Kitting includes the iconic Toby face and Hat - E and I represent the eyes, B is the nose, and spacebar is the moustache/beard. It also includes standard color replacements for all of the meme keys so it can be used as a normal set as part of the base kit. Barebones ISO support is also included. I have an audience that is newer to keyboards, so I wanted to keep the kitting simple enough to incorporate many layouts, but not confuse anyone. There might be mistakes, and I'm open to suggestions.


Renders


(https://imgur.com/3vsfTqY.png)(https://imgur.com/U8upw1R.png)
on U80-A by Ramaworks
(https://imgur.com/GIhglNH.png)(https://imgur.com/MzLw13g.png)
on Nemui by Bachoo
More
(https://imgur.com/55T57gR.png)(https://imgur.com/ZajoJex.png)
Isometria By Ebastler


Production

I currently am prototyping the set through a factory in china and will have prototypes to show off in the next month or so. This will be a dyesub PBT set. No matter what, I will be doing a limited run of 100 sets. I decided to run with a cheaper PBT set as I feel it fits the scuffed meme, and I don't really want to further bog down proper manufactures like GMK. There is a small chance I will run this as a group buy, depending on if the IC feedback warrants a greater production run than 100 sets. But I expect to have the set ready for an in stock sale by Q3 2021.


Pricing/Vendors

Vendors are still in progress but I am in talks with vendors that are comfortable running the set as in-stock or as a group buy. Toby himself is a woodworking vendor, so there is a decent chance if it remains as a 100 stock run we will ship through him.
The pricing is still TBD but I am aiming for $60 - $90 for the full base kit which should be reasonable provided my current factory quotes.

Colors

(https://imgur.com/zjT9bQC.png)


Final Thoughts
Special thanks to everyone in my discord that helped out with the designing!
Thanks to Toby for letting me use your face for this set, you are the best Anime character.
Yee haw to all the people in the Glarses Discord and on Reddit that encouraged me to make this low effort meme a medium effort set.
If you like the idea of this set - please fill out the IC form and consider joining my discord!

IC Form: https://forms.gle/b4WFrGEYTn66GpiZ8 (https://forms.gle/b4WFrGEYTn66GpiZ8)
Discord: https://discord.gg/kPfDvDwW6R (https://discord.gg/kPfDvDwW6R)


IDK how to do banners someone help me
(https://i.imgur.com/5pCIvqr.png)


Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: MIGHTY CHICKEN on Tue, 23 March 2021, 15:14:55
No
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: Pontus on Tue, 23 March 2021, 15:15:15
You actually did it
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: yoot on Tue, 23 March 2021, 15:16:05
 :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: swomi on Tue, 23 March 2021, 15:16:56
Ah yes more face sets
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: Shiba1337 on Tue, 23 March 2021, 15:18:03
Greg clone

also
No

(https://i.imgur.com/cSGKSgy.png) bruh
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: iinko_mk on Tue, 23 March 2021, 15:18:14
gee another face set. It's almost as if it's not that funny anymore. please for the love of god why :(
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: Hipyo on Tue, 23 March 2021, 15:18:56
Greg clone
When u gonna learn to rock climb? /s (Shiba and I are friends its ok)
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: Alejo1707 on Tue, 23 March 2021, 15:21:24
No

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Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: finalarcadia on Tue, 23 March 2021, 15:23:17
No
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: Bachoo on Tue, 23 March 2021, 15:30:22
No.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: Hipyo on Tue, 23 March 2021, 15:30:38
No
hmmmmm

(https://i.imgur.com/cSGKSgy.png)
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: Alessio on Tue, 23 March 2021, 15:33:18
i get this is a meme, but aren't memes supposed to be funny.  :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: andromache on Tue, 23 March 2021, 15:45:08
No
hmmmmm

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But Cluck is cute and has good novelties.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: derpturtle on Tue, 23 March 2021, 16:05:31
No. But if you really want to run this, please at least make it look more like a face. glwic
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: iinko_mk on Tue, 23 March 2021, 16:07:29
No
hmmmmm

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But Cluck is cute and has good novelties.

both are eh, but yeah, i would take cluck in a heart beat, there was good effort into it. chicken does good stuf
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: Loquerish on Tue, 23 March 2021, 16:08:31
looks nice with or without the face :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: Hipyo on Tue, 23 March 2021, 16:16:06
No. But if you really want to run this, please at least make it look more like a face. glwic

Fair feedback, we played around with a more pronounced face but felt like it didn't add much to the set. The minimal eyes and nose really add to the stupidity of it, and make the base kit work as its own colors without needing a large extra kit. 
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: nu_types on Tue, 23 March 2021, 16:24:16
I'm sorry. No.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: mr_foggy on Tue, 23 March 2021, 16:28:08
Y E S.

Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: Tree_ on Tue, 23 March 2021, 16:28:35
No

No.

No

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No

No
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: Ustinj on Tue, 23 March 2021, 16:30:25
not a face set type of a guy in general, but this one definitely is the least enjoyable of all of the ones I've seen. there is one based on a chicken (i am familiar with chickens), one based on no-face (I am familiar with no face), one based on gengar (I am familiar with some pokemon), one based on an AC villager (familiar), one based on a dog character (which I was not familiar with, but it was the first)...

But then this, seems to be based off of someone that only you know? Or I am misunderstanding something.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: HelloThisIsDog on Tue, 23 March 2021, 16:31:36
I support this
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: hali on Tue, 23 March 2021, 16:35:42
if theres already going to be a limited run then why is there an interest check? is drop going to be a vendor too?
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: Hipyo on Tue, 23 March 2021, 16:38:02
if theres already going to be a limited run then why is there an interest check? is drop going to be a vendor too?
I wanted to see if there was any interest in doing a larger run than 100 units.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: Lfgberg on Tue, 23 March 2021, 16:45:09
No.

unsurprised you're choosing to go with ifk again. Oversaturated and unfunny, but I can appreciate wanting to make a meme. Like I'm sure toby is a cool dude but I don't need him on my keyboard and I doubt anyone else would either.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: Alejo1707 on Tue, 23 March 2021, 16:46:07
No.

unsurprised you're choosing to go with ifk again. Oversaturated and unfunny, but I can appreciate wanting to make a meme. Like I'm sure toby is a cool dude but I don't need him on my keyboard and I doubt anyone else would either.
This TBH.

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Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: Hipyo on Tue, 23 March 2021, 16:48:16
No.

unsurprised you're choosing to go with ifk again. Oversaturated and unfunny, but I can appreciate wanting to make a meme. Like I'm sure toby is a cool dude but I don't need him on my keyboard and I doubt anyone else would either.

Howdy - not going with IFK hence why the set is called PBT Toby and not IFK Toby.
Thanks for the feedback.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: Nukz on Tue, 23 March 2021, 16:52:02
 this makes me sad fr
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: Zakar1ya on Tue, 23 March 2021, 17:32:26
I want to be cool and join on the hate train, but I'm friends with you so I can't >:( 10/10 would buy, tell toby I love him and his face
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: yanwrld on Tue, 23 March 2021, 17:36:52
When you a meme face set, they are usually have a reference to something relatively popular or that people find amusing, so it is an attractive product that people will purchase, correct? Well, I have no idea who Toby is, and I assume that a whole lot of others don't either. With Greg, it's a cartoon cat holding pills on a taobao deskmat. That is somewhat (subjectively) funny. Anybody can look at Greg and at least understand why it exists. When I see this, it's very... off-putting. The entire inspiration is - Toby? A guy with a cult following of 400 or so on instagram? I'm sure he is a good person but I would not appreciate having his pantone matched flesh colored keycaps on my keyboards. I think it's good that we have increasing choices to personalize and customize our keyboards. This is a bit much. Good luck
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: Hipyo on Tue, 23 March 2021, 17:58:42
When you a meme face set, they are usually have a reference to something relatively popular or that people find amusing, so it is an attractive product that people will purchase, correct? Well, I have no idea who Toby is, and I assume that a whole lot of others don't either. With Greg, it's a cartoon cat holding pills on a taobao deskmat. That is somewhat (subjectively) funny. Anybody can look at Greg and at least understand why it exists. When I see this, it's very... off-putting. The entire inspiration is - Toby? A guy with a cult following of 400 or so on instagram? I'm sure he is a good person but I would not appreciate having his pantone matched flesh colored keycaps on my keyboards. I think it's good that we have increasing choices to personalize and customize our keyboards. This is a bit much. Good luck

Yes thank you! You found exactly the point, finding a really dumb idea and fully committing to it. No one knows who Toby is, that's part of the charm and part of the meme. It's okay to not want him on your board, that's why I did the kitting how I did.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: Shiba1337 on Tue, 23 March 2021, 18:52:32
Greg clone
When u gonna learn to rock climb? /s (Shiba and I are friends its ok)
When u gonna learn how to design keycaps? /s (Hipyo and I are friends its ok)
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: totalemon on Tue, 23 March 2021, 18:58:43
I can appreciate the intention but at least some of the other face sets look appealing. I don't know if this look would look good on any board. So yeah, nah
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: Alessio on Tue, 23 March 2021, 19:54:44
Greg clone
When u gonna learn to rock climb? /s (Shiba and I are friends its ok)
When u gonna learn how to design keycaps? /s (Hipyo and I are friends its ok)

pot kettle black
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: Chippy on Tue, 23 March 2021, 23:22:32
no
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: P103 on Wed, 24 March 2021, 00:01:59
The worst kind of memes are forced ones.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: Shiba1337 on Wed, 24 March 2021, 01:57:06
Once in a lifetime you'll come across a keycap set that truly captures the history and cultural distinctions of the modern world the way a person can subjectively perceive it through our guided field of perspective. I have to admit, I had my doubts when I first learned of the set. After all, PBT Toby? Will this set even be good? How ignorant was I to even have these thoughts. Little did I know I was about to indulge in what may have been the best $60-90 of my life. The set started out strong. The opening experience enticed the audience with a captivating enigma. I was so taken aback from the next-generation color matching that I almost didn't even realize the underlying symbolism in the ongoing colors. This is a special kind of high that not even the strongest of drugs can give you. Was I part of Toby? Am I inside Toby right now? This set will leave you questioning existential nihilism and the objective skepticism of our perceived valuation of anthropological existence. At this point in the use of Toby, I was fully intoxicated by the avant-garde design choice. But, then again, the fact that I'm living doesn't matter either so I might as well stick around for awhile, living in complete isolation, condemned to a life of traumatic memories and a completely corrupted sub-conscience. PBT Toby literally ruined my life. 10/10.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: Hipyo on Wed, 24 March 2021, 01:59:51
Once in a lifetime you'll come across a keycap set that truly captures the history and cultural distinctions of the modern world the way a person can subjectively perceive it through our guided field of perspective. I have to admit, I had my doubts when I first learned of the set. After all, PBT Toby? Will this set even be good? How ignorant was I to even have these thoughts. Little did I know I was about to indulge in what may have been the best $60-90 of my life. The set started out strong. The opening experience enticed the audience with a captivating enigma. I was so taken aback from the next-generation color matching that I almost didn't even realize the underlying symbolism in the ongoing colors. This is a special kind of high that not even the strongest of drugs can give you. Was I part of Toby? Am I inside Toby right now? This set will leave you questioning existential nihilism and the objective skepticism of our perceived valuation of anthropological existence. At this point in the use of Toby, I was fully intoxicated by the avant-garde design choice. But, then again, the fact that I'm living doesn't matter either so I might as well stick around for awhile, living in complete isolation, condemned to a life of traumatic memories and a completely corrupted sub-conscience. PBT Toby literally ruined my life. 10/10.

This comment gave me more existential dread than creating PBT Toby... Thank you.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: harlekein on Wed, 24 March 2021, 05:02:07
At least it's not GMK.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: Timm0h on Wed, 24 March 2021, 06:38:12
I also don‘t see any point of having the face of Toby on my desk. But can you not go a bit away from that „meme“ and bring the set with that colors as a normal set. You could add an extension kit for making Tobys face with this set.
But the colors are looking fine for me for a normal and not a meme set.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: Afresh on Wed, 24 March 2021, 08:23:45
.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: Hipyo on Wed, 24 March 2021, 12:55:39
I also don‘t see any point of having the face of Toby on my desk. But can you not go a bit away from that „meme“ and bring the set with that colors as a normal set. You could add an extension kit for making Tobys face with this set.
But the colors are looking fine for me for a normal and not a meme set.

The base kit includes all of the keycaps you need to make it a normal set as well, that's why I included some renders showing it off!
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: powwu on Wed, 24 March 2021, 13:16:50
Why
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: Dawnzo on Wed, 24 March 2021, 16:30:04
7u spacebar is forced accent or is there gonna be a regular coloured spacebar?
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: Hipyo on Wed, 24 March 2021, 18:20:06
7u spacebar is forced accent or is there gonna be a regular coloured spacebar?
I was a bit torn on what to do with the 7u, if enough people want it before final production starts I can change it but I don't think I could justify a 2nd 7u.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: Shiba1337 on Wed, 24 March 2021, 23:26:46
(https://i.imgur.com/kKLBe4S.png)
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: Zakar1ya on Wed, 24 March 2021, 23:27:07
Show Image
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Agreed
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: fromscratchusa on Wed, 24 March 2021, 23:49:13
what have you done to poor toby
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: kazoosco on Thu, 25 March 2021, 11:48:50
PBT Toby is the endgame. Handarbeit? Move over. There's a new sheriff in town, and he's coming for you.

Do you like mechanical keyboards? Do you like Toby? This set is the one for you.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: dededecline on Thu, 25 March 2021, 13:04:35
So, I agree with most of the commenters in that I don't see the point of this set and I don't find it particularly funny. But there are plenty of keycap sets that have run that I don't get/don't find as funny as the people that like it, and that's fine. And I get that people can be overly serious, and even occasionally toxic. But this weird campaign of playing the victim because you made a set that you knew would be polarizing and it got a mixed response is really off-putting. I'm sorry that someone called your videos lazy and uninspired, and told you to go **** yourself. That's obviously too far. But when your whole marketing campaign around this set is about how it's some sort of bastion of freedom against the oppressive forces of this community, it's way more unattractive than the set itself.

More
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Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: Ustinj on Thu, 25 March 2021, 14:05:32
PBT Toby is the gamestop of geekhack
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: iinko_mk on Thu, 25 March 2021, 14:40:15
So, I agree with most of the commenters in that I don't see the point of this set and I don't find it particularly funny. But there are plenty of keycap sets that have run that I don't get/don't find as funny as the people that like it, and that's fine. And I get that people can be overly serious, and even occasionally toxic. But this weird campaign of playing the victim because you made a set that you knew would be polarizing and it got a mixed response is really off-putting. I'm sorry that someone called your videos lazy and uninspired, and told you to go **** yourself. That's obviously too far. But when your whole marketing campaign around this set is about how it's some sort of bastion of freedom against the oppressive forces of this community, it's way more unattractive than the set itself.

More
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/QnH2NH3.png)


Show Image
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dis, man's speaking the language of the gods, common sense
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: Hipyo on Thu, 25 March 2021, 14:43:14
So, I agree with most of the commenters in that I don't see the point of this set and I don't find it particularly funny. But there are plenty of keycap sets that have run that I don't get/don't find as funny as the people that like it, and that's fine. And I get that people can be overly serious, and even occasionally toxic. But this weird campaign of playing the victim because you made a set that you knew would be polarizing and it got a mixed response is really off-putting. I'm sorry that someone called your videos lazy and uninspired, and told you to go **** yourself. That's obviously too far. But when your whole marketing campaign around this set is about how it's some sort of bastion of freedom against the oppressive forces of this community, it's way more unattractive than the set itself.

dis, man's speaking the language of the gods, common sense

So, I agree with most of the commenters in that I don't see the point of this set and I don't find it particularly funny. But there are plenty of keycap sets that have run that I don't get/don't find as funny as the people that like it, and that's fine. And I get that people can be overly serious, and even occasionally toxic. But this weird campaign of playing the victim because you made a set that you knew would be polarizing and it got a mixed response is really off-putting. I'm sorry that someone called your videos lazy and uninspired, and told you to go **** yourself. That's obviously too far. But when your whole marketing campaign around this set is about how it's some sort of bastion of freedom against the oppressive forces of this community, it's way more unattractive than the set itself.

I think that's fair, and no one has to like the set. But its slightly unfair to say my whole marketing campaign is playing the victim. (there's more to a marketing campaign then one rant on Instagram stories and mentioning that my post got maliciously reported) I'm making 100 sets of this, its not for money its for the meme. The sets will cost $~29 USD a kit to produce and I am aiming to sell them for $60-90 taking into account fees and logistics.

I'm not some martyr for keycap set design, I just have received a weird amount of hate and toxicity (twords me and not the set) for this and felt like calling it out. Mass flag reporting posts is not constructive feedback, and it's fair to document the odd toxic responses I've received so the community knows what's up. The point of this set was that it was not supposed to be made, but that I'm doing it because I'm a man of my word.

I do appreciate all the constructive feedback, and the people telling me they don't like it kinda rude, but fine, and not the hate I'm talking about.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: seh0nk on Thu, 25 March 2021, 15:13:22
So, I agree with most of the commenters in that I don't see the point of this set and I don't find it particularly funny. But there are plenty of keycap sets that have run that I don't get/don't find as funny as the people that like it, and that's fine. And I get that people can be overly serious, and even occasionally toxic. But this weird campaign of playing the victim because you made a set that you knew would be polarizing and it got a mixed response is really off-putting. I'm sorry that someone called your videos lazy and uninspired, and told you to go **** yourself. That's obviously too far. But when your whole marketing campaign around this set is about how it's some sort of bastion of freedom against the oppressive forces of this community, it's way more unattractive than the set itself.

dis, man's speaking the language of the gods, common sense

So, I agree with most of the commenters in that I don't see the point of this set and I don't find it particularly funny. But there are plenty of keycap sets that have run that I don't get/don't find as funny as the people that like it, and that's fine. And I get that people can be overly serious, and even occasionally toxic. But this weird campaign of playing the victim because you made a set that you knew would be polarizing and it got a mixed response is really off-putting. I'm sorry that someone called your videos lazy and uninspired, and told you to go **** yourself. That's obviously too far. But when your whole marketing campaign around this set is about how it's some sort of bastion of freedom against the oppressive forces of this community, it's way more unattractive than the set itself.

I think that's fair, and no one has to like the set. But its slightly unfair to say my whole marketing campaign is playing the victim. (there's more to a marketing campaign then one rant on Instagram stories and mentioning that my post got maliciously reported) I'm making 100 sets of this, its not for money its for the meme. The sets will cost $~29 USD a kit to produce and I am aiming to sell them for $60-90 taking into account fees and logistics.

I'm not some martyr for keycap set design, I just have received a weird amount of hate and toxicity (twords me and not the set) for this and felt like calling it out. Mass flag reporting posts is not constructive feedback, and it's fair to document the odd toxic responses I've received so the community knows what's up. The point of this set was that it was not supposed to be made, but that I'm doing it because I'm a man of my word.

I do appreciate all the constructive feedback, and the people telling me they don't like it kinda rude, but fine, and not the hate I'm talking about.

In my experience keycap sets are never run at double or triple profit margin no matter how many account fees and logistics there are... if a set costs $29 per kit to produce (btw who are you using to produce this?) you should not be selling at $60-$90.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: iinko_mk on Thu, 25 March 2021, 15:18:07
So, I agree with most of the commenters in that I don't see the point of this set and I don't find it particularly funny. But there are plenty of keycap sets that have run that I don't get/don't find as funny as the people that like it, and that's fine. And I get that people can be overly serious, and even occasionally toxic. But this weird campaign of playing the victim because you made a set that you knew would be polarizing and it got a mixed response is really off-putting. I'm sorry that someone called your videos lazy and uninspired, and told you to go **** yourself. That's obviously too far. But when your whole marketing campaign around this set is about how it's some sort of bastion of freedom against the oppressive forces of this community, it's way more unattractive than the set itself.

dis, man's speaking the language of the gods, common sense

So, I agree with most of the commenters in that I don't see the point of this set and I don't find it particularly funny. But there are plenty of keycap sets that have run that I don't get/don't find as funny as the people that like it, and that's fine. And I get that people can be overly serious, and even occasionally toxic. But this weird campaign of playing the victim because you made a set that you knew would be polarizing and it got a mixed response is really off-putting. I'm sorry that someone called your videos lazy and uninspired, and told you to go **** yourself. That's obviously too far. But when your whole marketing campaign around this set is about how it's some sort of bastion of freedom against the oppressive forces of this community, it's way more unattractive than the set itself.

I think that's fair, and no one has to like the set. But its slightly unfair to say my whole marketing campaign is playing the victim. (there's more to a marketing campaign then one rant on Instagram stories and mentioning that my post got maliciously reported) I'm making 100 sets of this, its not for money its for the meme. The sets will cost $~29 USD a kit to produce and I am aiming to sell them for $60-90 taking into account fees and logistics.

I'm not some martyr for keycap set design, I just have received a weird amount of hate and toxicity (twords me and not the set) for this and felt like calling it out. Mass flag reporting posts is not constructive feedback, and it's fair to document the odd toxic responses I've received so the community knows what's up. The point of this set was that it was not supposed to be made, but that I'm doing it because I'm a man of my word.

I do appreciate all the constructive feedback, and the people telling me they don't like it kinda rude, but fine, and not the hate I'm talking about.

In my experience keycap sets are never run at double or triple profit margin no matter how many account fees and logistics there are... if a set costs $29 per kit to produce (btw who are you using to produce this?) you should not be selling at $60-$90.

yeahhhhhh, the margins on most keycaps are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay smaller than this. This is probably more than epbt margins.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: Ustinj on Thu, 25 March 2021, 15:35:37
So, I agree with most of the commenters in that I don't see the point of this set and I don't find it particularly funny. But there are plenty of keycap sets that have run that I don't get/don't find as funny as the people that like it, and that's fine. And I get that people can be overly serious, and even occasionally toxic. But this weird campaign of playing the victim because you made a set that you knew would be polarizing and it got a mixed response is really off-putting. I'm sorry that someone called your videos lazy and uninspired, and told you to go **** yourself. That's obviously too far. But when your whole marketing campaign around this set is about how it's some sort of bastion of freedom against the oppressive forces of this community, it's way more unattractive than the set itself.

dis, man's speaking the language of the gods, common sense

So, I agree with most of the commenters in that I don't see the point of this set and I don't find it particularly funny. But there are plenty of keycap sets that have run that I don't get/don't find as funny as the people that like it, and that's fine. And I get that people can be overly serious, and even occasionally toxic. But this weird campaign of playing the victim because you made a set that you knew would be polarizing and it got a mixed response is really off-putting. I'm sorry that someone called your videos lazy and uninspired, and told you to go **** yourself. That's obviously too far. But when your whole marketing campaign around this set is about how it's some sort of bastion of freedom against the oppressive forces of this community, it's way more unattractive than the set itself.

I think that's fair, and no one has to like the set. But its slightly unfair to say my whole marketing campaign is playing the victim. (there's more to a marketing campaign then one rant on Instagram stories and mentioning that my post got maliciously reported) I'm making 100 sets of this, its not for money its for the meme. The sets will cost $~29 USD a kit to produce and I am aiming to sell them for $60-90 taking into account fees and logistics.

I'm not some martyr for keycap set design, I just have received a weird amount of hate and toxicity (twords me and not the set) for this and felt like calling it out. Mass flag reporting posts is not constructive feedback, and it's fair to document the odd toxic responses I've received so the community knows what's up. The point of this set was that it was not supposed to be made, but that I'm doing it because I'm a man of my word.

I do appreciate all the constructive feedback, and the people telling me they don't like it kinda rude, but fine, and not the hate I'm talking about.

In my experience keycap sets are never run at double or triple profit margin no matter how many account fees and logistics there are... if a set costs $29 per kit to produce (btw who are you using to produce this?) you should not be selling at $60-$90.

yeahhhhhh, the margins on most keycaps are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay smaller than this. This is probably more than epbt margins.

If he's serving as the vendor for the set as well, then the profit margin seems pretty normal (for the $60 price at least)

Most people run their sets through vendors who handle the bulk of the work.

Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: Hipyo on Thu, 25 March 2021, 15:45:26
So, I agree with most of the commenters in that I don't see the point of this set and I don't find it particularly funny. But there are plenty of keycap sets that have run that I don't get/don't find as funny as the people that like it, and that's fine. And I get that people can be overly serious, and even occasionally toxic. But this weird campaign of playing the victim because you made a set that you knew would be polarizing and it got a mixed response is really off-putting. I'm sorry that someone called your videos lazy and uninspired, and told you to go **** yourself. That's obviously too far. But when your whole marketing campaign around this set is about how it's some sort of bastion of freedom against the oppressive forces of this community, it's way more unattractive than the set itself.

dis, man's speaking the language of the gods, common sense

So, I agree with most of the commenters in that I don't see the point of this set and I don't find it particularly funny. But there are plenty of keycap sets that have run that I don't get/don't find as funny as the people that like it, and that's fine. And I get that people can be overly serious, and even occasionally toxic. But this weird campaign of playing the victim because you made a set that you knew would be polarizing and it got a mixed response is really off-putting. I'm sorry that someone called your videos lazy and uninspired, and told you to go **** yourself. That's obviously too far. But when your whole marketing campaign around this set is about how it's some sort of bastion of freedom against the oppressive forces of this community, it's way more unattractive than the set itself.

I think that's fair, and no one has to like the set. But its slightly unfair to say my whole marketing campaign is playing the victim. (there's more to a marketing campaign then one rant on Instagram stories and mentioning that my post got maliciously reported) I'm making 100 sets of this, its not for money its for the meme. The sets will cost $~29 USD a kit to produce and I am aiming to sell them for $60-90 taking into account fees and logistics.

I'm not some martyr for keycap set design, I just have received a weird amount of hate and toxicity (twords me and not the set) for this and felt like calling it out. Mass flag reporting posts is not constructive feedback, and it's fair to document the odd toxic responses I've received so the community knows what's up. The point of this set was that it was not supposed to be made, but that I'm doing it because I'm a man of my word.

I do appreciate all the constructive feedback, and the people telling me they don't like it kinda rude, but fine, and not the hate I'm talking about.

In my experience keycap sets are never run at double or triple profit margin no matter how many account fees and logistics there are... if a set costs $29 per kit to produce (btw who are you using to produce this?) you should not be selling at $60-$90.

yeahhhhhh, the margins on most keycaps are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay smaller than this. This is probably more than epbt margins.

If he's serving as the vendor for the set as well, then the profit margin seems pretty normal.

Most people run their sets through vendors who handle the bulk of the work.
This right here, there's a very high chance that Toby himself, or me, will be serving as the vendor. This means that I am fronting the production costs and not having it financed by a group buy or vendor.

Also you guys might have confused profit margins with sale price which is a fair mistake. I am still paying for prototypes (currently costing $118USD for a prototype) and packaging, and will need to ship them as well. I would love for you guys to provide some concrete evidence of your claims if possible, it would actually help a lot for making things more transparent which is what I'm trying to do. Once the whole set is made, I will have a full write up about how I got it done, the factories I used, the processes and costs I went through etc. I hope it will help the community feel more confident to do things themselves. 

Anyways, I'm glad to talk about this more over on my discord, I tend to be in voice chat a lot over there.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: whirlwind on Thu, 25 March 2021, 16:18:23
I'm glad this won't clog the gmk queue.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: iinko_mk on Thu, 25 March 2021, 18:06:46
So, I agree with most of the commenters in that I don't see the point of this set and I don't find it particularly funny. But there are plenty of keycap sets that have run that I don't get/don't find as funny as the people that like it, and that's fine. And I get that people can be overly serious, and even occasionally toxic. But this weird campaign of playing the victim because you made a set that you knew would be polarizing and it got a mixed response is really off-putting. I'm sorry that someone called your videos lazy and uninspired, and told you to go **** yourself. That's obviously too far. But when your whole marketing campaign around this set is about how it's some sort of bastion of freedom against the oppressive forces of this community, it's way more unattractive than the set itself.

dis, man's speaking the language of the gods, common sense

So, I agree with most of the commenters in that I don't see the point of this set and I don't find it particularly funny. But there are plenty of keycap sets that have run that I don't get/don't find as funny as the people that like it, and that's fine. And I get that people can be overly serious, and even occasionally toxic. But this weird campaign of playing the victim because you made a set that you knew would be polarizing and it got a mixed response is really off-putting. I'm sorry that someone called your videos lazy and uninspired, and told you to go **** yourself. That's obviously too far. But when your whole marketing campaign around this set is about how it's some sort of bastion of freedom against the oppressive forces of this community, it's way more unattractive than the set itself.

I think that's fair, and no one has to like the set. But its slightly unfair to say my whole marketing campaign is playing the victim. (there's more to a marketing campaign then one rant on Instagram stories and mentioning that my post got maliciously reported) I'm making 100 sets of this, its not for money its for the meme. The sets will cost $~29 USD a kit to produce and I am aiming to sell them for $60-90 taking into account fees and logistics.

I'm not some martyr for keycap set design, I just have received a weird amount of hate and toxicity (twords me and not the set) for this and felt like calling it out. Mass flag reporting posts is not constructive feedback, and it's fair to document the odd toxic responses I've received so the community knows what's up. The point of this set was that it was not supposed to be made, but that I'm doing it because I'm a man of my word.

I do appreciate all the constructive feedback, and the people telling me they don't like it kinda rude, but fine, and not the hate I'm talking about.

In my experience keycap sets are never run at double or triple profit margin no matter how many account fees and logistics there are... if a set costs $29 per kit to produce (btw who are you using to produce this?) you should not be selling at $60-$90.

yeahhhhhh, the margins on most keycaps are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay smaller than this. This is probably more than epbt margins.

If he's serving as the vendor for the set as well, then the profit margin seems pretty normal.

Most people run their sets through vendors who handle the bulk of the work.
This right here, there's a very high chance that Toby himself, or me, will be serving as the vendor. This means that I am fronting the production costs and not having it financed by a group buy or vendor.

Also you guys might have confused profit margins with sale price which is a fair mistake. I am still paying for prototypes (currently costing $118USD for a prototype) and packaging, and will need to ship them as well. I would love for you guys to provide some concrete evidence of your claims if possible, it would actually help a lot for making things more transparent which is what I'm trying to do. Once the whole set is made, I will have a full write up about how I got it done, the factories I used, the processes and costs I went through etc. I hope it will help the community feel more confident to do things themselves. 

Anyways, I'm glad to talk about this more over on my discord, I tend to be in voice chat a lot over there.

I do have quotes from GMK, and including the vendor cut, it is still not as big of a cut as what is currently being shown (i obviously can't tell you what the quotes are so you'll have to trust me a bit) But the fact that you will likely be your own vendor does bring up the margin by about double. So it says you will get the wholesale price is 30, and on the low end, you are planning for 60. That is a 100% markup. For GMK it's nowhere near that, it's less than 50 i can tell you that. I'd say 50 USD would be a fair price for the set because that is pretty much an 66% markup.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: scrps on Sun, 28 March 2021, 15:20:17
toby looks like a cool guy but this is a hard no.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: blueredyellow on Wed, 31 March 2021, 13:55:58
So is this set happening after all this quality feedback?
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: Hipyo on Thu, 01 April 2021, 01:59:06
Protos should be arriving in a week, will share how they ended up soon! Expecting mixed results on the first proto run
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: fredprinz21 on Tue, 06 April 2021, 00:17:13
Good luck with the Interest Check
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: Juan. on Wed, 07 April 2021, 15:36:28
please make this GMK, so i have to wait 1 year for it, the longer this stays away from me, the better.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: Hipyo on Thu, 08 April 2021, 22:36:34
please make this GMK, so i have to wait 1 year for it, the longer this stays away from me, the better.  :thumb:

GMK Toby R2 Confirmed
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: Zakar1ya on Fri, 14 May 2021, 07:12:21
please make this GMK, so i have to wait 1 year for it, the longer this stays away from me, the better.  :thumb:

GMK Toby R2 Confirmed

Can we get JTK Toby, ePBT Toby, Geekark Toby, SA Toby etc etc until you run out of manus? I'm so excited for this set I am literally shaking
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: Alejo1707 on Wed, 16 February 2022, 12:47:19
please make this GMK, so i have to wait 1 year for it, the longer this stays away from me, the better.  :thumb:
Keyreative run by Kono worldwide will have a better effect tho!

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Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: s__pete on Thu, 17 February 2022, 23:55:41
OMG  :eek: Keyboard Youtuber Inside Joke Set! I am laughing UPROARIOUSLY!!  :) :) :) :) And my   Bank Account is emptying of it's own volition!   :-X

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Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: Keybjorn on Fri, 18 February 2022, 00:25:11
Nothing against Toby, he seems nice but I haven't seen something this ugly since Glorious' keyboard division.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT Toby
Post by: Rumblethumps on Fri, 18 February 2022, 11:21:41
Wasn't this dead for like a year