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Title: voidFRL - An FRL TKL Through Hole Kit | Now with split right shift support!
Post by: Ella on Fri, 21 May 2021, 13:18:52
(https://i.imgur.com/ALMN0Kq.jpg)

Interest Check Form (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/10w1cRPxJuy58cJq5aYoWLOoiQoycVIDTl671aO0-9CQ/edit)

Updates
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22.5.2021  Based on feedback from the IC form and from the comments here, I updated the layout to support an encoder in either the macro column or the nav cluster, and I also added split right shift support. I also decided to not include the encoder and knob in every kit, but instead make it an optional addon. See pricing section for more details.


Intro
Hello everyone,
This is a project that started as a personal thing roughly 5 months ago, and after having multiple people express interest, I decided to post an IC. It's inspired by the likes of the Discipline and Mysterium from CFTKB.
Please note that photos are of a prototype and some things have since been changed for revision 2. The renders show the final version.

More prototype photos:
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(https://i.imgur.com/tIDmWE9.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/FWGAR1u.jpg)


Features
It consists of an FR4 bottom plate, the PCB and an FR4 Switchplate, supports only MX Style switches, both PCB and plate mount.
The kit would include everything needed to build it, including a metal knob and an encoder, acrylic guard for the forehead, acrylic angling feet and a 0.91" 128x32 oled display.
OLED position on the final version can be seen here:
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(https://i.imgur.com/Y7VHwk8.png)


What's been changed since the first prototype?
* Removed the small IO expander chip as I've managed to make everything fit without it
* Moved the encoder into the nav cluster
* USB port is now centered

The Layout
When deciding on the layout I drew inspiration from Protozoa Studio's Foundation (http://protozoa.studio).
There's a macro column on the left side, options for standard/tsangan bottom row, stepped/regular caps lock, split/regular backspace and ANSI/ISO.
Only one encoder at a time is supported.
(https://i.imgur.com/iUpLTZZ.png)
Old Layout:
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(https://i.imgur.com/m5LhhWq.png)


Color options
There will only be one colorway available at this time, unless I get a lot more interest than I expect. That colorway being Black FR4 substrate with Clear soldermask.
Big thanks to dudeship for the renders.
(https://i.imgur.com/lWn0Vwf.jpg)
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(https://i.imgur.com/admW1Ke.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/GeJnRRQ.png)

I chose this colorway because I think it fits in quite well into the exposed electronics theme with the visible copper traces, plus it's pretty unique.

Target Pricing and MOQ
95 without shipping and taxes for the whole kit without a knob, with an 8€ optional metal knob.
This is not set in stone, if there's enough interest I may increase the MOQ to lower prices a bit.
With the black FR4 and clear soldermask comes an MOQ of 150 to make it somewhat reasonably priced.

Open Source
I doubt the design files would be of much use to many people, as the PCB was designed in Altium, however I'll consider making the Gerber files available on GitHub after the Group Buy (if I make it to that stage)


How to keep up with updates?
I'll post updates both here and on my discord: discord.xeon.works (http://discord.xeon.works)


Huge thanks to:
dudeship for doing the renders
thanks to ecto from Protozoa (https://protozoa.studio/) for being supportive of this project
sigprof in the QMK  Discord server for helping me figure out an obscure error with flashing the ATMEGA32A
4pplet for his awesome Altium library (https://github.com/4pplet/Altium-Keeb-lib)
coseyfannitutti for making the Mysterium, which was the keyboard that inspired me to pursue this project
Title: Re: voidFRL - An FRL TKL Through hole keyboard kit with OLED and Encoder support
Post by: Laur on Fri, 21 May 2021, 13:19:20
reserved (love you xeon good work)
Title: Re: voidFRL - An FRL TKL Through hole keyboard kit with OLED and Encoder support
Post by: frostykoala on Fri, 21 May 2021, 13:26:29
yussss more throughhole boards, any chance for split space options?
Title: Re: voidFRL - An FRL TKL Through hole keyboard kit with OLED and Encoder support
Post by: FishyKeebs on Fri, 21 May 2021, 13:26:39
yes
Title: Re: voidFRL - An FRL TKL Through hole keyboard kit with OLED and Encoder support
Post by: iinko_mk on Fri, 21 May 2021, 13:29:51
this is actually kinda hot ngl  :thumb:
Title: Re: voidFRL - An FRL TKL Through hole keyboard kit with OLED and Encoder support
Post by: Banned on Fri, 21 May 2021, 13:30:57
hot
Title: Re: voidFRL - An FRL TKL Through hole keyboard kit with OLED and Encoder support
Post by: whirlwind on Fri, 21 May 2021, 13:36:19
Nice
Title: Re: voidFRL - An FRL TKL Through hole keyboard kit with OLED and Encoder support
Post by: MIGHTY CHICKEN on Fri, 21 May 2021, 13:37:10
pog
Title: Re: voidFRL - An FRL TKL Through hole keyboard kit with OLED and Encoder support
Post by: Ella on Fri, 21 May 2021, 13:43:42
reserved (love you xeon good work)

yussss more throughhole boards, any chance for split space options?

yes

this is actually kinda hot ngl  :thumb:

hot

Nice

pog

Thanks for the kind words everyone :)
Title: Re: voidFRL - An FRL TKL Through hole keyboard kit with OLED and Encoder support
Post by: Ella on Fri, 21 May 2021, 13:44:37
yussss more throughhole boards, any chance for split space options?

Sadly can't make split space work, as it would require rerouting a good chunk of the pcb, but I could make split right shift work
Title: Re: voidFRL - An FRL TKL Through hole keyboard kit with OLED and Encoder support
Post by: Ulliam on Fri, 21 May 2021, 13:52:07
great work dude, coumt me in
Title: Re: voidFRL - An FRL TKL Through hole keyboard kit with OLED and Encoder support
Post by: Gnome on Fri, 21 May 2021, 14:13:53
Great!
I've been looking for a frl tkl and as someone relatively new to the hobby i really appriciate throughhole kits for the cost and for the chance to practice soldering.
Keeping my eye on this  :thumb:

Title: Re: voidFRL - An FRL TKL Through hole keyboard kit with OLED and Encoder support
Post by: Ella on Fri, 21 May 2021, 15:27:42
I'll address some comments I got in the IC form:

(https://i.imgur.com/sBCmws2.png)
Split right shift is being worked on, but the second encoder spot will not be possible as I have no free pins left on the ATMega32a.

(https://i.imgur.com/yzzxPhY.png)
1) I am in the EU, and prices are in Euros.
2) I'll take photos of the back.
3) I forgot to mention in the post, but there will be acrylic feet for angling in the kit, I've edited the post to say that.
Title: Re: voidFRL - An FRL TKL Through Hole Kit
Post by: Moods on Fri, 21 May 2021, 17:00:27
I love this. Thank you.
Title: Re: voidFRL - An FRL TKL Through Hole Kit
Post by: Flybeck on Fri, 21 May 2021, 17:27:57
This is sick. Hotswap?
Title: Re: voidFRL - An FRL TKL Through Hole Kit
Post by: Ella on Fri, 21 May 2021, 19:02:30
This is sick. Hotswap?
Not natively, no. It does support Mill max sockets, but I won't be offering them alongside the kit.

Kailh/Gateron sockets aren't supported at all

Title: Re: voidFRL - An FRL TKL Through Hole Kit
Post by: gnaw on Fri, 21 May 2021, 22:01:23
look promising  :thumb:
Title: Re: voidFRL - An FRL TKL Through Hole Kit | Now with split right shift support!
Post by: Ella on Sat, 22 May 2021, 13:44:55
Updated the pricing based on IC form feedback and also added split right shift
Title: Re: voidFRL - An FRL TKL Through Hole Kit | Now with split right shift support!
Post by: itsazly on Mon, 24 May 2021, 10:06:18
you always got me on those thruholes. the colorway is super neat. definitely snagging.
Title: Re: voidFRL - An FRL TKL Through Hole Kit | Now with split right shift support!
Post by: Ella on Sun, 30 May 2021, 12:56:39
Update 30.5.2021

- Ordered prototype of rev2 design, which should hopefully be the last revision
Title: Re: voidFRL - An FRL TKL Through Hole Kit | Now with split right shift support!
Post by: Lysol_ on Sun, 30 May 2021, 14:55:39
absolutely love this. can't wait!
Title: Re: voidFRL - An FRL TKL Through Hole Kit | Now with split right shift support!
Post by: Ella on Sun, 30 May 2021, 14:57:04
absolutely love this. can't wait!
Thanks Mr. Aerosol, good luck with LCK75 r2 :)
Title: Re: voidFRL - An FRL TKL Through Hole Kit | Now with split right shift support!
Post by: Ella on Thu, 01 July 2021, 08:45:20
I have received new prototypes, Interest Check will need to be rewritten as I have changed some things. Currently I'm just waiting for USB connectors to come in so I can finish building the prototype and finalize firmware.
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(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832672665625690152/852938021333762108/IMG_20210611_174856.jpg)
Title: Re: voidFRL - An FRL TKL Through Hole Kit | Now with split right shift support!
Post by: roseuwu on Thu, 08 July 2021, 11:57:56
through hole keebs <3
Title: Re: voidFRL - An FRL TKL Through Hole Kit | Now with split right shift support!
Post by: ravenousrhino on Mon, 12 July 2021, 14:39:52
Through holes fill the void in my life.
Title: Re: voidFRL - An FRL TKL Through Hole Kit | Now with split right shift support!
Post by: bloodparticle on Thu, 25 November 2021, 14:41:13
Yes please, through hole keyboards are my favourites! :D
Title: Re: voidFRL - An FRL TKL Through Hole Kit | Now with split right shift support!
Post by: treeleaf64 on Thu, 25 November 2021, 20:15:44
Moar FRL Moar FRL Moar FRL! ! ! ! ! !
YA YA YA YA YA


Yo this is for real, you get on the floor and lay in the grass.


Thing that I like:
1) Pcb traces
2) Thick controller
3) Xeon
4) dude ship rendre
Title: Re: voidFRL - An FRL TKL Through Hole Kit | Now with split right shift support!
Post by: Gvalch_ca on Fri, 26 November 2021, 04:31:52
I like your routing. Nice work.
Title: Re: voidFRL - An FRL TKL Through Hole Kit | Now with split right shift support!
Post by: Ella on Fri, 26 November 2021, 04:32:24
I like your routing. Nice work.
Thanks!
Title: Re: voidFRL - An FRL TKL Through Hole Kit | Now with split right shift support!
Post by: Ella on Fri, 26 November 2021, 04:32:40
Moar FRL Moar FRL Moar FRL! ! ! ! ! !
YA YA YA YA YA


Yo this is for real, you get on the floor and lay in the grass.


Thing that I like:
1) Pcb traces
2) Thick controller
3) Xeon
4) dude ship rendre
Thank you treeleaf!
Title: Re: voidFRL - An FRL TKL Through Hole Kit | Now with split right shift support!
Post by: Dyto69 on Fri, 26 November 2021, 05:32:12
The PCB looks beautiful with those rounded traces
Title: Re: voidFRL - An FRL TKL Through Hole Kit | Now with split right shift support!
Post by: Applet on Fri, 26 November 2021, 05:49:42
Pretty board! GL with IC/GB :cool:
Title: Re: voidFRL - An FRL TKL Through Hole Kit | Now with split right shift support!
Post by: Ella on Fri, 26 November 2021, 10:49:34
I have some news. Turns out that having two positions with independent encoders will actually be possible (as opposed to having two positions, but with only one encoder at a time)! I completely overlooked one free pin on the atmega. All it'll need is some rerouting and a small firmware change.
Title: Re: voidFRL - An FRL TKL Through Hole Kit | Now with split right shift support!
Post by: bloodparticle on Sat, 01 February 2025, 17:46:16
So this project is abandoned? I'm sad! ... someone to save it ...