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Title: What the heck? Is this dude manufacturing Space Savers?
Post by: WhiteRice on Sun, 29 August 2010, 13:11:26
http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-Model-M-Space-Saver-Clicky-Keyboard-NIB-/180554404839?pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item2a09e193e7#ht_1340wt_1137

This is like the third week in a row one of these have gone up.

Starting Bid: $19.99
Title: What the heck? Is this guy manufacturing Space Savers?
Post by: snerd on Sun, 29 August 2010, 14:28:18
I have always wanted one of these... what price do you expect this to get to?
Title: What the heck? Is this guy manufacturing Space Savers?
Post by: audioave10 on Sun, 29 August 2010, 14:34:01
A 91' silver label is probably $200 when the auction is complete.
Too much for me right now...darnit.
Title: What the heck? Is this guy manufacturing Space Savers?
Post by: ironman31 on Sun, 29 August 2010, 14:50:08
The last one went for a little over 150 USD if I remember correctly
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Post by: snerd on Sun, 29 August 2010, 15:22:57
Yeah, that's a little rich for me right now. Ah well...
Title: What the heck? Is this guy manufacturing Space Savers?
Post by: J888www on Sun, 29 August 2010, 15:37:29
OP "What the heck? Is this guy manufacturing Space Savers?"

Why do people naturally assume the seller is a male ?

Maybe this man likes to use a woman's name ?
Title: What the heck? Is this guy manufacturing Space Savers?
Post by: D-EJ915 on Sun, 29 August 2010, 16:04:03
does it say anything to indicate it is a woman selling in the auction? no...
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Post by: J888www on Sun, 29 August 2010, 16:16:16
Quote from: D-EJ915;217949
does it say anything to indicate it is a woman selling in the auction? no...

.....does it say anything to indicate it is a man selling in the auction? no...

:fencing:
Title: What the heck? Is this guy manufacturing Space Savers?
Post by: WhiteRice on Sun, 29 August 2010, 16:49:23
I forget which one of you is 7**7, but gg.
Title: What the heck? Is this guy manufacturing Space Savers?
Post by: snerd on Sun, 29 August 2010, 16:53:08
So much action this early... gonna be ugly in 6 days.
Title: What the heck? Is this guy manufacturing Space Savers?
Post by: Rajagra on Sun, 29 August 2010, 17:37:14
Quote from: J888www;217938
Why do people naturally assume the seller is a male ?


Gender-neutral pronoun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender-neutral_pronoun)

Quote
Traditionally, the masculine form has been taken to be the markless  form, that is the form to be used unless it is known to be inappropriate. This has dictated the masculine pronoun in cases such as

    * reference to an indefinite person, for example: "If anybody comes, tell him"


This concept was fine until the PC brigade came along and took exception for the sake of it.
Title: What the heck? Is this guy manufacturing Space Savers?
Post by: TexasFlood on Sun, 29 August 2010, 23:55:42
Quote from: snerd;217977
So much action this early... gonna be ugly in 6 days.

No kidding, like 6 1/2 days to go and already sailed up above $150.  I'm sure they're nice, but too rich for my blood.
Title: What the heck? Is this guy manufacturing Space Savers?
Post by: Shawn Stanford on Mon, 30 August 2010, 06:45:16
They're nice, but unless you're a collector or have space issues, they're a nice-to-have. I snagged mine for about $75 from a fellow GeekHacker when I needed a smaller keyboard so that the keyboard and mouse would fit in the keyboard drawer of my desk. Really, it's not any different than my other Model Ms.
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Post by: MissileMike on Mon, 30 August 2010, 08:34:06
6 days left and it's already 150$.  I never understand why people even bother to bid so early...
Title: What the heck? Is this guy manufacturing Space Savers?
Post by: phototristan on Mon, 30 August 2010, 10:49:12
People are sorta stupid. The last one sold for  $172.50. This one has already been bid up to like $182.50 and will likely go for higher. What gives?
Title: What the heck? Is this guy manufacturing Space Savers?
Post by: kriminal on Mon, 30 August 2010, 11:44:28
heh 7***7 bid... GG
Title: What the heck? Is this guy manufacturing Space Savers?
Post by: J888www on Mon, 30 August 2010, 13:15:02
Higher the price the better, I like to be reassured that my stock is of value.
Title: What the heck? Is this guy manufacturing Space Savers?
Post by: didjamatic on Mon, 30 August 2010, 13:28:20
The price drop to $172 on the last auction caught my eye, it was the first downward trend in a while and I actually considered getting one.

Oh, FYI it was a WHITE label, not SILVER label.  They never made a Mini with a Silver Label.


Silver
(http://www.shoppalstores.com/ibmmodelm/image//13901201.jpg)

White (black or I suppose Gray could be correct as well)
(http://www.clickykeyboard.com/2009/dec30/016.jpg)
Title: What the heck? Is this guy manufacturing Space Savers?
Post by: phototristan on Mon, 30 August 2010, 13:33:03
These two labels look exactly the same to me in terms of color.


Quote from: didjamatic;218291
The price drop to $172 on the last auction caught my eye, it was the first downward trend in a while and I actually considered getting one.

Oh, FYI it was a WHITE label, not SILVER label.  They never made a Mini with a Silver Label.


Silver
Show Image
(http://www.shoppalstores.com/ibmmodelm/image//13901201.jpg)


White
Show Image
(http://www.clickykeyboard.com/2009/dec30/016.jpg)
Title: What the heck? Is this guy manufacturing Space Savers?
Post by: didjamatic on Mon, 30 August 2010, 13:34:32
Technically they would be a black label if you're going by the ink.  Or is that a Dark Gray ink? (Updated description above for white/gray/black label, but they definitely aren't silver.

EDIT - Actually Clicky does say "White"
Title: What the heck? Is this guy manufacturing Space Savers?
Post by: didjamatic on Mon, 30 August 2010, 13:37:22
Quote from: phototristan;218296
These two labels look exactly the same to me in terms of color.

It's the background that is different.

Silver Labels - SQUARE METAL label with black print
White Label - oval white background with black print
Blue Label - oval gray background with blue print
Black Label - oval black background with silver print (Industrials and M13) or square metal background with silver print.  (Industrials only)

Did I miss anything?  Note, this is only for Model M's.
Title: What the heck? Is this guy manufacturing Space Savers?
Post by: didjamatic on Mon, 30 August 2010, 14:01:37
Holy smokes, I never noticed until now that all blue labels have gray backgrounds.  I thought some were white but they're not.
Title: What the heck? Is this guy manufacturing Space Savers?
Post by: didjamatic on Mon, 30 August 2010, 14:11:06
I was thinking of standard Model M's with blue labels, I thought they were white backgrounds but they are gray.  I removed gray in the list above, I can't believe I always thought they were 2 different blue labels.  And the fact that it doesn't match either regular or industrial model M's is puzzling.
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Post by: EverythingIBM on Mon, 30 August 2010, 14:17:54
Quote from: didjamatic;218315
I was thinking of standard Model M's with blue labels, I thought they were white backgrounds but they are gray.  I removed gray in the list above, I can't believe I always thought they were 2 different blue labels.  And the fact that it doesn't match either regular or industrial model M's is puzzling.


I think it's to contrast from the plastic surrounding (although this theory is neglected on black M13s).

The G70 has a dark grey model M oval badge with lavender blue (and the IBM sticking out rather than flat print).
Title: What the heck? Is this guy manufacturing Space Savers?
Post by: didjamatic on Tue, 31 August 2010, 13:41:11
What, Whaaaat?  Square silver labels are not metal?  Are they at least metal plated?  I've never physically removed one from a case.
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Post by: WhiteRice on Sun, 05 September 2010, 09:46:49
20 Minutes to go, any last minute predictions...
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Post by: ironman31 on Sun, 05 September 2010, 10:01:31
242.50
Title: What the heck? Is this guy manufacturing Space Savers?
Post by: ironman31 on Sun, 05 September 2010, 10:08:16
aw, a little off... 207.53
Title: What the heck? Is this guy manufacturing Space Savers?
Post by: microsoft windows on Mon, 06 September 2010, 16:59:43
I remember back when $100 for a Model M Mini was a rip-off. It's not like the supply's gone down...
Title: What the heck? Is this guy manufacturing Space Savers?
Post by: ch_123 on Mon, 06 September 2010, 20:07:45
And then people wonder how the yanks keep driving the world's economy into the ground...
Title: What the heck? Is this guy manufacturing Space Savers?
Post by: wellington1869 on Mon, 06 September 2010, 20:09:45
Quote from: microsoft windows;220511
I remember back when $100 for a Model M Mini was a rip-off. It's not like the supply's gone down...


i was seriously thinking of buying one when they were $90 to $100. That was only like early last year I think.  Basically I'd have doubled my money.
Title: What the heck? Is this guy manufacturing Space Savers?
Post by: Shawn Stanford on Tue, 07 September 2010, 06:35:22
There's nothing special about the technology, the materials or the layout, but Space Saving keyboards have moved from a piece of equipment to a 'collectible'. That's why Unicomp won't consider making them: they'd take a bath because folks who want to just use the damn things won't pay enough to make it worth their while, and a Unicomp version won't attract collectors.

It's the same stupid **** that drove Rolex prices into the stratosphere. They used to be a decent tool watch. Now that every fat-wallet small-**** who has a desperate need to impress wears one, they're unreachable by the guy who needs a reliable, well-built and good-looking mechanical watch.

That and Seiko totally kicked their ass in terms of value-for-price, so Rolex had to move upmarket and trade on their name to survive...
Title: What the heck? Is this guy manufacturing Space Savers?
Post by: EverythingIBM on Tue, 07 September 2010, 06:52:52
Quote from: Shawn Stanford;220667
There's nothing special about the technology, the materials or the layout, but Space Saving keyboards have moved from a piece of equipment to a 'collectible'. That's why Unicomp won't consider making them: they'd take a bath because folks who want to just use the damn things won't pay enough to make it worth their while, and a Unicomp version won't attract collectors.

It's the same stupid **** that drove Rolex prices into the stratosphere. They used to be a decent tool watch. Now that every fat-wallet small-**** who has a desperate need to impress wears one, they're unreachable by the guy who needs a reliable, well-built and good-looking mechanical watch.

That and Seiko totally kicked their ass in terms of value-for-price, so Rolex had to move upmarket and trade on their name to survive...


Rolex isn't the best watch maker actually, it's an old company called "Patek," they designed much of what constitutes a modern watch today, like the crown.
Contrary to the common opinion, most Rolex watches on the market are just typical junk made anywhere else. I did see an awesome mechanical Rolex once, it was surprising; and also extremely expensive, my friend got a deal on it however: only $700 if I recall.
The watch I have is a Mondaine incabloc. Man, it's older than my 5150. I don't use it though, it keeps amazingly good accurate time though, 17 jewel swiss.
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Post by: ch_123 on Tue, 07 September 2010, 07:22:43
Quote from: Shawn Stanford;220667
That's why Unicomp won't consider making them: they'd take a bath because folks who want to just use the damn things won't pay enough to make it worth their while, and a Unicomp version won't attract collectors.


I think it's just the case that it would be too expensive to resurrect a design that doesn't really add anything to their product lineup.
Title: What the heck? Is this guy manufacturing Space Savers?
Post by: EverythingIBM on Tue, 07 September 2010, 16:35:06
Quote from: ripster;220697
I paid like $10 for my Rolex in China.  I shoulda asked the guy about IBM Minis.

Show Image
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4145/4967299355_db62767811_z.jpg)


The other day I took the Chairman Mao watch in to the watch repairman only to find it's a wind up watch!  We both cracked up about that one.  I had dug it out of the drawer since my kid wanted it for school.  The TinTin watch is an authentic one though.


Correction: you paid $10 for a fake Rolex watch made in china; I'd like to ask the Chinese how they got a watch made in Switzerland and sell it to silly American tourists for $10. Do you even know how to tell the real ones from the fake ones? The real Rolex watches have a special "key" which only certain Rolex vendors carry. Chinese ones should have some typical standard thing. They haven't figured out the Rolex key.

Is the Mao one 17 jewel swiss? That's a bit wishful, I know. Some are automatic (best to have 22 rubies I believe in those ones). Sorry, there's automatic and super automatic, sadly both are mostly lumped under "automatic," so you'll have to tell by how many jewels used.

I let a XAAX watch slip away on ebay for something like 10 pounds. Darn it! It was a 22 ruby super automatic.
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Post by: Rusty Rat on Tue, 07 September 2010, 20:44:08
Quote from: EverythingIBM;220773
The real Rolex watches have a special "key" which only certain Rolex vendors carry. Chinese ones should have some typical standard thing. They haven't figured out the Rolex key.


What a load of bs and I don't mean buckling springs. A special key???? what! unless you are talking about the Bergeon case openers and there are even Chinese made copies of those selling on EBay. Replicas range from $10 rubbish to $1,000 copies containing Swiss ETA movements and some of those copies are 99.99% exact.

Quote from: EverythingIBM;220773
Sorry, there's automatic and super automatic, sadly both are mostly lumped under "automatic," so you'll have to tell by how many jewels used.

As a collector of mechanical watches and a member of some of the specialised watch collecting forums what you are writing is tripe. A hyped up number of jewels is a selling point for the uninitiated.  Only the really limited production Swiss movements actually make use of the large number of jewels.
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Post by: ch_123 on Wed, 08 September 2010, 05:42:53
Quote from: Rusty Rat;220801
what you are writing is tripe.


And not only about watches :P
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Post by: EverythingIBM on Wed, 08 September 2010, 15:56:40
Quote from: ripster;220774
So THAT'S why the hand goes jerka jerka jerka around the dial! I shoulda bought the $20 one.

I have no idea about rubies in the Mao one but the waving arm amuses me immensely.

Or you could have just dug around locally.

Quote from: Rusty Rat;220801
What a load of bs and I don't mean buckling springs. A special key???? what! unless you are talking about the Bergeon case openers and there are even Chinese made copies of those selling on EBay. Replicas range from $10 rubbish to $1,000 copies containing Swiss ETA movements and some of those copies are 99.99% exact.

As a collector of mechanical watches and a member of some of the specialised watch collecting forums what you are writing is tripe. A hyped up number of jewels is a selling point for the uninitiated.  Only the really limited production Swiss movements actually make use of the large number of jewels.

It's not a load of a BS, you can't just pluck of a Rolex backplate with ordinary tools. Well the one I seen anyway (which was a very high-end one).
Chinese copies are not nearly good as the swiss ones, grow up and learn something about good patek watches.

What I'm saying is not tripe. The number of Jewels is a way to tell between automatic and super automatic (EXCLUDING manual windup); and the *reason* why my mondaine watch was 17 jewel swiss was because it is NOT automatic. OBVIOUSLY automatic watches are going to take more jewels, and super-automatic even more.
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Post by: JBert on Wed, 08 September 2010, 16:45:44
Jewels for bearings sure can be an improvement for precision, but they aren't exactly mandatory nor can they help an otherwise shoddy construction.

Also, what is a "super automatic"? Isn't that just some marketing lingo?
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Post by: didjamatic on Wed, 08 September 2010, 17:18:28
How funny, I've been considering a vintage Swiss movement watch recently and just read a great article about watch jewels this weekend.  Must be something in the air.
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Post by: Rusty Rat on Wed, 08 September 2010, 18:31:03
Quote from: EverythingIBM;221032

It's not a load of a BS, you can't just pluck of a Rolex backplate with ordinary tools. Well the one I seen anyway (which was a very high-end one).
Chinese copies are not nearly good as the swiss ones, grow up and learn something about good patek watches.


So you have seen ONE Rolex watch and that makes you an authority? I have seen an IBM mainframe – so I must be a default expert on them? Apart from press down case backs all screw back watches (Rolex, Seiko, Omega etc) need a special tool. The Rolex serrated screw back style are also used by some other manufacturers. Rolex screw back removal tools are as common as your silly posts. If you read my post I was actually writing about the range of replicas, and by the way no one in Switzerland makes Rolex replicas.

Quote from: EverythingIBM;221032
What I'm saying is not tripe. The number of Jewels is a way to tell between automatic and super automatic (EXCLUDING manual windup); and the *reason* why my mondaine watch was 17 jewel swiss was because it is NOT automatic. OBVIOUSLY automatic watches are going to take more jewels, and super-automatic even more.


Total unmitigated TRIPE. The number of jewels relates to bearing surfaces – not the movements features. Automatic and Super Automatic – total bs. There are Chinese Automatic movements with 7 jewels, by your reasoning they cannot exist. By your reasoning one of my early Omega’s automatic winding 17 jewels movement cannot exist. Obviously some of my automatics should be called super duper automatics because they have more than 30 jewels.

In the Watch World 'Pateks' are like rubber domes - nothing special.
Title: What the heck? Is this guy manufacturing Space Savers?
Post by: EverythingIBM on Wed, 08 September 2010, 22:19:26
Quote from: JBert;221037
Jewels for bearings sure can be an improvement for precision, but they aren't exactly mandatory nor can they help an otherwise shoddy construction.

Also, what is a "super automatic"? Isn't that just some marketing lingo?

Super automatic is generally unknown and SOMETIMES hidden under "automatic"; and this only applies to older watches usually. Patek was one of the first to make them I believe (insanely expensive watches though! And often the older ones are very rare).
As these watches are just old items, there are really no major manufacturers interested in marketing super-automatic.

Here's a website that actually lists "super-automatic:"
http://www.afinewatch.com/Swiss4.html (http://www.afinewatch.com/Swiss4.html)

And a picture of this nice watch (this one does say super-automatic):
(http://www.afinewatch.com/images/midomultifort2.JPG)

Quote from: Rusty Rat;221056
So you have seen ONE Rolex watch and that makes you an authority? I have seen an IBM mainframe – so I must be a default expert on them? Apart from press down case backs all screw back watches (Rolex, Seiko, Omega etc) need a special tool. The Rolex serrated screw back style are also used by some other manufacturers. Rolex screw back removal tools are as common as your silly posts. If you read my post I was actually writing about the range of replicas, and by the way no one in Switzerland makes Rolex replicas.

Total unmitigated TRIPE. The number of jewels relates to bearing surfaces – not the movements features. Automatic and Super Automatic – total bs. There are Chinese Automatic movements with 7 jewels, by your reasoning they cannot exist. By your reasoning one of my early Omega’s automatic winding 17 jewels movement cannot exist. Obviously some of my automatics should be called super duper automatics because they have more than 30 jewels.

In the Watch World 'Pateks' are like rubber domes - nothing special.

(http://cdn3.knowyourmeme.com/i/6515/original/jesus-facepalm-facepalm-jesus-epic-demotivational-poster-1218659828.jpg?1248715819)
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Post by: Rusty Rat on Wed, 08 September 2010, 23:21:53
Quote from: EverythingIBM;221119
Super automatic is generally unknown and SOMETIMES hidden under "automatic"; and this only applies to older watches usually. Patek was one of the first to make them I believe (insanely expensive watches though! And often the older ones are very rare).
As these watches are just old items, there are really no major manufacturers interested in marketing super-automatic.


Because they won't get away with silly marketing hype anymore.

That picture for a Super Automatic only has a 17 jewel movement - sort of contradicts your nonsense. Gee EIBM don’t you understand marketing hype? Why make silly posts about things you obviously know nothing about. A wise man once said “Better to be thought an idiot than say or write something that removes all doubt”. At least now you are researching watches, alas only to try to find some sort of backup to your TRIPE statements.

Rusty Rat - Owner of a Valjoux 37 jewel movement - super turbo charged super duper super automatic – which is less accurate than an old Citizen 17 jewel Automatic movement.
Title: What the heck? Is this guy manufacturing Space Savers?
Post by: EverythingIBM on Wed, 08 September 2010, 23:34:52
Quote from: Rusty Rat;221131
Because they won't get away with silly marketing hype anymore.

That picture for a Super Automatic only has a 17 jewel movement - sort of contradicts your nonsense. Gee EIBM don’t you understand marketing hype? Why make silly posts about things you obviously know nothing about. A wise man once said “Better to be thought an idiot than say or write something that removes all doubt”. At least now you are researching watches, alas only to try to find some sort of backup to your TRIPE statements.

Rusty Rat - Owner of a Valjoux 37 jewel movement - super turbo charged super duper super automatic – which is less accurate than an old Citizen 17 jewel Automatic movement.

I really shouldn't be responding to this... but, some amusement may be down the road:

#1 I never said the amount of jewels was the ONLY way, but "a way", inferring an indication for super-automatic. It's like you're haranguing me for nothing I'm imposing as one way...

#2 yes, Patek is one of the best watch manufacturers. They were comissioned to make the most complicated wrist watch.
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Post by: Oqsy on Thu, 09 September 2010, 00:50:21
Ripster, you have no idea what laughs I've gotten from this thread because of your Chinese Rolex and the following debate.  

+10 points thread derailment awarded to Ripster.
(http://www.inquisitr.com/wp-content/lego-fun-snacks.jpg)
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Post by: Shawn Stanford on Thu, 09 September 2010, 06:40:24
Piss on all this...

Straight up fact #1: There isn't a mechanical watch in existence - regardless of who commissioned it, how many jewels it has to how many Swiss gnomes toiled over it - that can beat a $35 Casio or Timex quartz for accuracy and reliability.

Straight up fact #2: Once you pass about the $500 mark on mechanical watches, they're all the same except for the name on the dial and the flashy gewgaws that impress the natives. You want a mechanical watch with 47 functions? Knock yourself out. But there isn't a Rolex, Patek or Breitling made that can take more of a beating or keep better time than a Seiko or Citizen.

Now, I'm not knocking Rollies or Pateks (although I do think Brietlings are pieces of 'look at me!' fanboy crap), but their technology, accuracy, reliability and materials don't justify the prices...
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Post by: TheSoundofTyping on Thu, 09 September 2010, 10:22:36
So, those Spacesavers are pretty cool eh...
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Post by: Shawn Stanford on Thu, 09 September 2010, 10:45:39
And I'm wearing one of my Seiko automatic divers. I bought this one from a pawn shop in Singapore on eBay several years ago for $25. I spent another $75 to have it lightly serviced and relumed and it has been rock-steady and startlingly accurate since.

I don't hesitate to wear it (or my others) when I work in the yard, go for a run, take a shower or go to war. First, I'm absolutely confident that it will take pretty much anything I can dish out; second, if anything does go wrong, it's a Seiko - I can replace it for the cost of a decent dinner.
Title: What the heck? Is this guy manufacturing Space Savers?
Post by: didjamatic on Thu, 09 September 2010, 11:35:45
If you guys are interested, here's (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?p=221246#post221246) a watch thread.
Title: What the heck? Is this guy manufacturing Space Savers?
Post by: Shawn Stanford on Thu, 09 September 2010, 12:03:38
In there like swimwear...
Title: What the heck? Is this guy manufacturing Space Savers?
Post by: Shawn Stanford on Thu, 09 September 2010, 12:55:47
Is that why you were going on about the ashes from your penis not fitting into your urn?
Title: What the heck? Is this guy manufacturing Space Savers?
Post by: Konrad on Thu, 09 September 2010, 13:13:20
Quote from: Rusty Rat;220801
As a collector of mechanical watches and a member of some of the specialised watch collecting forums ...
I didn't understand why there'd be forums of the sort until reading further through this thread.
 
Quote from: didjamatic;221247
If you guys are interested, here's (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?p=221246#post221246) a watch thread.
Please don't turn this into a Let's-Talk-About-Ripster's-****-Size thread.
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Post by: kriminal on Thu, 09 September 2010, 14:46:44
thnk god i have 2 minis :)
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Post by: J888www on Thu, 09 September 2010, 20:01:46
Some person researched the valued the Rolex Explorer (http://www.timezone.com/library/horologium/horologium631675591245315012) to be in the price region of $600-$800 range due to its.................go read the conclusion.

I would choose any Grand Seiko (http://www.seiko-watch.co.jp/gs/index.html) over all other watches on the market, accuracy is phenomenal, at least the thieves would not give it a second thought when they see "Seiko" on the watch face.


PS: I am NOT obsessed with keyboards, I am cured ! Please do correct me if I am wrong, late and tired so shall retire.

NB: I borrowed the pics from elsewhere, if anyone eyeing find it offensive I shall still not remove them even though I may be sued for copy-rights.
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Post by: Half-Saint on Thu, 16 September 2010, 03:32:53
Another one.. this one currently at $300!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180560085886&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.com%3A80%2F%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm570%26_nkw%3D180560085886%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1
Title: What the heck? Is this guy manufacturing Space Savers?
Post by: Konrad on Thu, 16 September 2010, 07:49:34
Quote from: ripster
All $10 watches are accurate. Is there something I'm missing?
You can get accurate digitals free in a cereal box.
 
If you want an accurate mechanical you'll have to spend ~$50. The cheap ones tend to drift over time; after a week it'll be off by a few minutes. Paying more just gets you brand and bling, sometimes a couple of features.
 
Mechanicals aren't affected by EMP. Clearly the better post-apocalypse choice. Money ****s like to advertise their expensive "tastes" with needlessly expensive mechanical brands. Outside of those considerations, a cheap digital is equal or better in every respect (as far as a timepiece/chronometer goes), while a similarly priced digital is vastly superior.
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Post by: itlnstln on Thu, 16 September 2010, 07:59:13
I guess it depends, too, what you are buying the watch for.  Personally, I want a little bling.  After all, it really is/can be a piece of man-jewelry.  Also, at least in my case, if I do buy a watch, I also want something that works as well as a watch can.  You are correct, though, that you do not need a Rolex to have an accurate time piece, and if you plan on having a timepiece that is more valued for its utility than its fashion, there are certainly cheaper and quite accurate alternatives.  If you do buy a watch for the bling value, don't go around touting how vastly superior its time-keeping abilities are.  That is, unless it's also an atomic clock.
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Post by: didjamatic on Thu, 16 September 2010, 09:04:21
$300?? Wowzers. (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180560085886)
Title: What the heck? Is this guy manufacturing Space Savers?
Post by: itlnstln on Thu, 16 September 2010, 09:14:09
With 3 days left, too.  [Lord Sear] That **** is crazy, son! [/Lord Sear]
Title: What the heck? Is this guy manufacturing Space Savers?
Post by: Shawn Stanford on Thu, 16 September 2010, 11:49:11
Man, when I was in Oki 25 years ago, the yen rate was in the 250-275 yen to the dollar range. It was awesome...
Title: What the heck? Is this guy manufacturing Space Savers?
Post by: phototristan on Thu, 16 September 2010, 13:20:05
It's clear to me that seller has plenty more. If they were running low, don't you think they would say so in their auction to drive up the price even more?

$300. + is insane considering one sold just like a month ago from the same seller for like $170.
Title: What the heck? Is this guy manufacturing Space Savers?
Post by: Shawn Stanford on Fri, 17 September 2010, 07:02:55
That's just feckin' stupid...
Title: What the heck? Is this guy manufacturing Space Savers?
Post by: MissileMike on Fri, 17 September 2010, 08:17:21
I want to add one to my collection, but the pricing on them is getting seriously out of hand.  Just have to be patient I guess.
Title: What the heck? Is this guy manufacturing Space Savers?
Post by: washuai on Sat, 18 September 2010, 12:41:03
Quote from: J888www;221455

I would choose any Grand Seiko (http://www.seiko-watch.co.jp/gs/index.html) over all other watches on the market, accuracy is phenomenal, at least the thieves would not give it a second thought when they see "Seiko" on the watch face.


A 472,500 Yen, iow $5507 Grand Seiko watch is not exactly thief ignorable.

Ok sure it isn't $6,750 like a 116610LV, although that watch will dive, so probably isn't the best comparison.

Sure it is slim pickings and a stupid thief, but if we're talking about theft, something that can be fenced at $100 is worth stealing.