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Title: [IC] Symmetry 70 - Cancelled due to lack of interest.
Post by: yuutsu on Tue, 28 September 2021, 07:25:41
Hello, yuutsu from Desktop Designs here.
In the shortest words I can, 100% Transparency, entirely upfront and honest about the process with weekly updates,
and most importantly: a lot less marketing than what we are currently seeing.

So, with that out of the way, let's begin the no bullsh*t IC:

Discord Server for updates and future releases (https://discord.gg/muz5sWSSup)  |  IC Form (https://forms.gle/TWG67Qfo4bqJ9A6w5)

Name: Symmetry 70
Goal: To bring out the most symmetrical design possible while using simple layouts
Layout: Fixed Tsangan 70% (60% + Esc-F13)
Mount: Modified GEON F1-8x O-ring cord.
Typing Angle: 7 Degrees
Pricing: ~$480, see change log below for why this increased. (still looking into it for exact numbers)
Units: 300 + 60 extras (60 of each color total, this may increase at a later date depending on demand)
GB Date: Early 2022
Lead Time: TBD
Front Height: 20mm from bottom to front edge, 24.3mm for effective front height
(to switch stem for the people who don't know about the better system)
Foam: None, and no optional either, this was not made with foam in mind.

Differences from Geon's mount: bigger width cord, softer cord.... that's it.
(https://i.imgur.com/FTLSTi6.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/CA4vBzM.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/LtVSSfw.png)


PCB Specs:
  • Made by Sakura Phoenix
  • Yellow (prototypes are purple)
  • 1.6mm thickness
  • VIA and QMK Compatible


Color Options, Sandblast: 150 (Pictured Below and in discord server):
NOTE: ALL VERSIONS OF THE BOARD EXCEPT SILVER WILL BE 2 TONE (see prototype pictures)
  • Pink (Pantone 2037c)
  • Red (Pantone 1797c)
  • Navy (Pantone 2955c)
  • Silver
  • E-white or Grey (depending on the manufacturer I choose)
  • Black

(https://i.imgur.com/oy7T47k.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/lsfI92w.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/2sOPsw8.png)



Vendors
  • NA: Desktop Designs (My own storefront)
  • Asia: TBD
  • Europe: TBD



Like I said above, I am currently looking into multiple manufacturers at the moment, one of which is in the color matching phase right now. As for the prototype we made one final change to make the 4head and chin smaller because it looked better imo so anyone who thinks otherwise can click off now.

(https://i.imgur.com/joZ1HB5.png)

Anyways, we also made a change to the feet for custom molded ones based off of the SCUF design by Zambumon, but those were too tall and would probably change the front height a lot for non-deskmat users, so we made it much smaller (see below)

(https://i.imgur.com/p5P2iiQ.png)

Here are some pictures of the keboard if you would like to see them for yourself:
(please note that this is not the final design and there is a redesign as stated above, prototypes for that soontm)

(https://i.imgur.com/aJNAwUs.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/YoxC6HP.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/CJTIlZi.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/2JZvC3I.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/1VpFSqI.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/a62dckq.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/jq9pmZp.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/U8ZIQxg.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/87DTy6z.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/BzwYYGu.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/aV9p4Nn.jpg)


Here is a sound test if you feel like watching it:
(alpacas on alu)

Title: Re: [IC] Symmetry 70
Post by: yuutsu on Tue, 28 September 2021, 07:27:53
Change Log

I have cancelled this project for the time being so that I can focus on something more people might like, details to come soon.

Nov. 15, 2021:
Small update, increased price to ~$480 due to china’s Ongoing power issue and aluminum prices still being at an all time high.
Title: Re: [IC] Symmetry 70
Post by: Pyroo on Tue, 28 September 2021, 07:35:14
Good to see the ic finally out, glwic fren  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Symmetry 70
Post by: hali on Tue, 28 September 2021, 07:57:10
certified hood classic
Title: Re: [IC] Symmetry 70
Post by: Quadrum on Tue, 28 September 2021, 07:57:39
Heck yeah!
Title: Re: [IC] Symmetry 70
Post by: katteeem on Tue, 28 September 2021, 07:58:53
cool kebord, cool dude. glwic!
Title: Re: [IC] Symmetry 70
Post by: Cipulot on Tue, 28 September 2021, 08:04:50
Cool design and color options :thumb:. Good job Yuutsu

Definetelly interested and waiting to see what EU vendor you'll use.
Title: Re: [IC] Symmetry 70
Post by: ZapKB on Tue, 28 September 2021, 08:19:41
Looks great! Hotswap option would be great if possible this late in the design process.
Title: Re: [IC] Symmetry 70
Post by: yuutsu on Tue, 28 September 2021, 08:50:36
Quote from: ZapKB on Tue, 28 September 2021, 08:19:41
Looks great! Hotswap option would be great if possible this late in the design process.

I don’t plan to offer hotswap for one simple reason: there isn’t enough space under the PCB, I’m worried about bottom out.
Title: Re: [IC] Symmetry 70
Post by: DschoxarD on Tue, 28 September 2021, 08:51:57
Any chance of adding arrow key support ?
Title: Re: [IC] Symmetry 70
Post by: yuutsu on Tue, 28 September 2021, 10:51:56
Nope, the board is done with after this next prototype I think.
Title: Re: [IC] Symmetry 70
Post by: Sh1zaru on Tue, 28 September 2021, 10:56:56
Can you show some pics of the internals as well?
Title: Re: [IC] Symmetry 70
Post by: yuutsu on Tue, 28 September 2021, 11:06:32
Quote from: Sh1zaru on Tue, 28 September 2021, 10:56:56
Can you show some pics of the internals as well?
I sure will! I'm trying to get some exploded renders done and I will post pics along with those!
Title: Re: [IC] Symmetry 70
Post by: ItszBrian on Tue, 28 September 2021, 11:43:01
Hmm, I oddly interested for some reason. I noticed the purple color chip, is there any consideration on running that color?
Title: Re: [IC] Symmetry 70
Post by: yuutsu on Tue, 28 September 2021, 12:59:21
Maybe a special edition? who knows, but for now I am saving this for the future.
Title: Re: [IC] Symmetry 70
Post by: yuutsu on Tue, 28 September 2021, 17:12:46
Quote from: Mecxs on Tue, 28 September 2021, 16:50:51
Ahh yes, the "no bull**** IC".

Where "bull****" is apparently any kind of proof that you've actually made a working keyboard. You've got a metal rectangle with keycaps on it and you're asking for $450.

No way I would be willing to buy a keyboard from someone who's proud of putting out an IC this poor.
Hello again, I see you are trying to start stuff here too? I am going to have to ask you to refrain from doing so for all our sakes.
Title: Re: [IC] Symmetry 70
Post by: Zlane on Tue, 28 September 2021, 21:01:05
Quote from: Mecxs on Tue, 28 September 2021, 16:50:51
Ahh yes, the "no bull**** IC".

Where "bull****" is apparently any kind of proof that you've actually made a working keyboard. You've got a metal rectangle with keycaps on it and you're asking for $450.

No way I would be willing to buy a keyboard from someone who's proud of putting out an IC this poor.
I think a $400 40% rectangle would fit your taste better
Title: Re: [IC] Symmetry 70
Post by: Georgia on Wed, 29 September 2021, 09:57:16
Reserved!!!!
Title: Re: [IC] Symmetry 70
Post by: wndy on Wed, 29 September 2021, 10:06:05
Looks great! I'd love to see a sound test/typing test, even if the prototype you have on hand isn't finalized yet.
Title: Re: [IC] Symmetry 70
Post by: yuutsu on Wed, 29 September 2021, 17:22:01
Quote from: wndy on Wed, 29 September 2021, 10:06:05
Looks great! I'd love to see a sound test/typing test, even if the prototype you have on hand isn't finalized yet.

I just posted one! Thank you for taking interest!
Title: Re: [IC] Symmetry 70 - Updated Picutres
Post by: Georgia on Thu, 30 September 2021, 06:04:23
Thx for posting PCB pics!!
Title: Re: [IC] Symmetry 70 - Updated Picutres
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 30 September 2021, 15:34:52
Removed a couple posts that didn't add anything to the discussion and were fairly aggressive toward OP
Title: Re: [IC] Symmetry 70 - Updated Picutres
Post by: treeleaf64 on Thu, 30 September 2021, 20:39:10
Its ok
Title: Re: [IC] Symmetry 70 - Updated Picutres
Post by: lush_bunny on Fri, 01 October 2021, 01:39:46
Quote from: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 30 September 2021, 15:34:52
Removed a couple posts that didn't add anything to the discussion and were fairly aggressive toward OP

You are a treasure
Title: Re: [IC] Symmetry 70 - IC Form Posted
Post by: kazenine on Tue, 26 October 2021, 04:46:30
i think 1.2mm pcb or flexcut pcb will be bettern than plate flexcut too much
Title: Re: [IC] Symmetry 70 - IC Form Posted
Post by: yuutsu on Sun, 07 November 2021, 05:23:20
Quote from: kazenine on Tue, 26 October 2021, 04:46:30
i think 1.2mm pcb or flexcut pcb will be bettern than plate flexcut too much
Hmmm, I’ll have to see about this in a future version, but as of right now I think I am done with the design overall and more prototypes are coming soon, so stay tuned for that!
Title: Re: [IC] Symmetry 70 - IC Form Posted
Post by: Mandabanker007 on Sun, 07 November 2021, 18:11:59
Super interesting layout
Title: Re: [IC] Symmetry 70 - IC Form Posted
Post by: windlabs on Sun, 07 November 2021, 20:59:57
well done
Title: Re: [IC] Symmetry 70 - IC Form Posted
Post by: yuutsu on Mon, 15 November 2021, 05:40:13
Quote from: windlabs on Sun, 07 November 2021, 20:59:57
well done

Thank you! This was almost 8 months in the making, so I am glad people like it!
Title: Re: [IC] Symmetry 70 - Updated Price
Post by: growler on Mon, 15 November 2021, 06:11:41
Defo worth a UK specific vendor, not only EU, to avoid UK buyers getting stung with massive fees.

Looking forward to this.

Sent from my SM-G980F using Tapatalk

Title: Re: [IC] Symmetry 70 - Updated Price
Post by: yuutsu on Tue, 16 November 2021, 00:54:08
Quote from: growler on Mon, 15 November 2021, 06:11:41
Defo worth a UK specific vendor, not only EU, to avoid UK buyers getting stung with massive fees.

Looking forward to this.

Sent from my SM-G980F using Tapatalk

I am still looking into vendors for other parts of the world. So don't think it's out of the running yet!
Title: Re: [IC] Symmetry 70 - Updated Price
Post by: uthaya on Sun, 21 November 2021, 07:06:40
Any possibility of adding a flex cut on the pcb itself to take better advantage of the leaf spring mount cuts on the plate?
Title: Re: [IC] Symmetry 70 - Updated Price
Post by: yuutsu on Wed, 01 December 2021, 17:12:34
Quote from: uthaya on Sun, 21 November 2021, 07:06:40
Any possibility of adding a flex cut on the pcb itself to take better advantage of the leaf spring mount cuts on the plate?

No, I don't believe that will be necessary as the keyboard is already plenty flexy as is, not to mention softer plates will make it even more so.