Zealio V2 are among the very most tactile stock switches, so there aren't many more tactile.
The U4T is pretty tactile, but it is more rounded than Zealio V2. It's a matter of preference. I wouldn't call it 'more tactile.' Just different.
The U4 Boba [silent U4T] is impressively tactile, like an EC, as the additional dampening creates more resistance. You can get them stock in 68 G.
T1s are a little less tactile than Zealio V2, IMHO. They are more rounded, and comparatively gentle [although still a large bump.] There are switches that feel like a toned-down T1, like SP Star Purple, but also once that feel 'enhanced.' Definitely try the Kiwi tactile if you can, it may feel like a T1 amped up by 10%.
Novelkeys was selling a 2-stage tactile in the past, the Blueberry. I think it was known for having a definite bump, and then a sort of second-stage. It was definitely a tactile that let you know you had pressed it. There is a similar switch known as the 'Kangaroo,' it has an upstroke bump as well, and you can buy it today. I'm not saying that Blueberry and Kangaroo are more intense than Zealio V2, but I'm saying that they should have a very noticeable tactile experience.
https://www.theremingoat.com/blog/gateron-kangaroo-ink-switch-review
The Kangaroo tactility might be a little more subtle than the Blueberry, which was unsubtle.
BOX Royal used to be known as a highly-tactile, maybe too tactile switch, but the Blueberries and others like it have given it a run for the money.
As always, if you want to go beyond the prescribed factory tactility, you will have to frankenswitch. There were all sorts of combinations like "MX Zilent" and "Zykos" and so on.
Apparently, somebody recently started producing something said to be the equivalent of 'factory Zykos,' so you might want to check that out.
Honourable mention to Huano Banana switches. They aren't as tactile as Zealio V2, but they are really, really snappy. And cheap, might want to purchase a can for $20 and try it out.
At some point, Novelkeys may bring in a 'jailhouse' "silenced" version of the BOX Jade clicky. So it won't be so loud.
Many people already say that the BOX clickies are the best MX tactile, so yeah.
I'd like to see a silenced BOX clicky a bit toned down from the Jade, although I'd try that first.
Yes, I was thinking specifically of the BOX Pink. Even though I haven't tried it.
Jades could be fatiguing over time, so something in between BOX White [too weak] and BOX Jade [pretty crispy] would be okay.
I've heard people say "BOX Jades were fun...for the first day."
But yes, MX-compatible clickies often have a tactile quality that MX 'tactiles' can't reach. The click bars and click jackets add a dimension absent in the 'interrupted linears' that MX tactiles are.
The only thing better than that are mechanisms in which the operation of the switch is closely tied to the tactile event, making it richer and more genuine. Something like ALPS or especially buckling spring, I guess?
Yes, I was thinking specifically of the BOX Pink. Even though I haven't tried it.
Jades could be fatiguing over time, so something in between BOX White [too weak] and BOX Jade [pretty crispy] would be okay.
I've heard people say "BOX Jades were fun...for the first day."
But yes, MX-compatible clickies often have a tactile quality that MX 'tactiles' can't reach. The click bars and click jackets add a dimension absent in the 'interrupted linears' that MX tactiles are.
The only thing better than that are mechanisms in which the operation of the switch is closely tied to the tactile event, making it richer and more genuine. Something like ALPS or especially buckling spring, I guess?
Box pinks are very nice, perfect for someone who likes the sound and feel of jades but think they're a little too much, be it in stiffness or tactility. They should be in every switch tester and keyboard manufacturers are kicking themselves not offering them as a standard option. It baffles the mind that whites are still a semi-common offering and the variants people actually want are not.
I can't imagine too many people are actually fatigued by Jades. The tactility and sound may not be someone's cup of tea, but their weighting really isn't that bad. I have been using these MX blacks for over a week now and I still feel like I would be more comfortable/confident on box navies. Similarly, box navies are more comfortable to me than membrane buckling spring. Jades are stiffer than MX blue, but they're pretty comparable to Alps/Matias clickies. It should only be a (relatively small) issue if you're used to pretty light Cherrys and clones.
Alps (in good shape) and capacitive buckling spring are ever-so-slightly more refined/nuanced and smooth than the box family, or Matias. I'm sure it does help for some that buckling spring's tactile event and actuation are inextricably linked. Personally, I just think it is icing on the cake. I feel like the tactile event of beamsprings are just a little too simple. They're the smoothest clicky you'll ever feel, but the tactile event doesn't have as many different sensations going on as Alps or CBS. It is almost as if the bump is just floating there in a void, encountered merely by proximity. While subjective, there's something very special about the unique sounds of complicated Alps and CBS as well.
I have no idea where it is anymore, but I have tried to compare the nuance of complicated Alps and CBS to modern clickies in this forum, and why I think they stand a cut above the rest. Complicated Alps feels like the entire tactile event was carefully engineered. It is crisp, but not sharp, firm and highly tactile ... yet at the same time never harsh. You can feel a sudden (yet very subtle) increase in weighting (probably having more to do with the leaves than the coil spring) just before the ledge that is the tactile event, giving you a heads up just before you arrive and transitioning you gently and seamlessly onto that ledge. All of this it does while also somehow feeling like all of the surfaces involved are perfectly smooth.
Box jades and Matias switches both capture some nuance that is very similar, but neither are quite as refined/balanced as complicated Alps. Matias, specifically, feels like steps of that process were eliminated entirely. You plop down onto that shelf unceremoniously without warning, the tactile event that follows doesn't feel quite as .... elegant.
Capacitive buckling spring, similarly (though less subtly), ramps its weighting up to the finale of the tactile event ... which itself is actually sudden and relatively light in that you really don't even ever feel a bump so much as a very slight vibration from the spring as it buckles. The weight just drops right off and you descend rapidly to the bottom of travel. The only thing that really tells you it is about to break is how stiff the spring currently feels. This is really the only sensory feedback you get with CBS besides the sound of the click, the musical twang of the spring as it vibrates after buckling. Everything but that spring sort of just melts away.
No matter how well you describe them, words do not do them justice. There is no mass market switch made today that can be compared to them directly. They must be felt for yourself. The relation of the tactile event to actuation is just a small piece of the pie.
You can only be so objective as well. I think the tendency to glorify blue Alps and CBS for their unique qualities has some very real merit. How much of that is just personal preference is up for debate. I have tried a good deal of totally different mechanisms though, and have tried to type for extended periods on all of the clicky mechanisms I could get my hands on. The beamspring board is an exception because it was listed on Ebay before I even rushed over to see it.
There are many, including myself, who are of the opinion that the best tactile switches in general are clicky switches. They sacrifice nothing in their attempt to create a crisp and refined tactile event, so tactiles are always fighting an uphill battle against them due to a compromise on sound.
There are many, including myself, who are of the opinion that the best tactile switches in general are clicky switches. They sacrifice nothing in their attempt to create a crisp and refined tactile event, so tactiles are always fighting an uphill battle against them due to a compromise on sound.
I think that only applies to sound though. I wear noise cancelling headphones all day, and I've found, to my great surprise, that once you remove sound from the equation, virtually all clickies feel barely tactile at all, at least compared to what I would expect them to feel like. I've actually had situations where I've pressed a key and said to myself 'oh damn, I wanted to put a clicky in this spot but I must have forgotten!'. Then I've removed the keycap, expecting to see a light tactile there, only to see a box clicky.
Box navy is basically the only clicky switch that still really feels crisp and snappy with my noise cancelling headphones on. Jades are passable. Box pinks, though I like them without headphones, basically feel like cherry browns once headphones are on: a linear with a hint of a tactile event floating suggestively somewhere in the mix. I don't get the same problem with strong tactiles. A durock Koala or Tecsee Sapphire feels satisfyingly tactile whether I can hear it or not. For this reason, I think the 'tactility' of clickies is often actually a bit artificial, and is partially just 'simulated tactility', partly aural rather than actually tactile per se.
This makes sense when you open the switches and look at how they activate. The leaf of a tactile stem makes almost constant contact with the stem, so every bump and change of resistance is directly affecting the stem (and through it, the finger). Importantly, this allows the leaf to also act as a 'brake' on the stem, pressing against it to slow it down after the actual bump. This 'braking' mechanism can help give the tactile event a tighter sense of shape and firmness.
Whereas the sharp click of a box jade is just the sound of a metal wire hitting the housing, long after the stem has left the area. This click coincides with the tactile event you feel but has almost zero actual impact on it, since it hits a piece of plastic that isn't connected to your finger in any meaningful way. What you feel is just the collapse of the stem after it squeezes past the wire. What's more, the Box Jade uses an essentially linear stem, so once that stem gets past the wire, there's no mechanism that would grip the stem leg to 'brake' it, so it just keeps falling in a linear fashion until bottom out. This is actually a far softer and looser-feeling tactile event than the sharp audible click would have you imagine.
And that's the crux of the matter: clickies feel the way they do only because they can trick our imagination into 'feeling' something that isn't there. I have no bone to pick with clickies because, under ordinary circumstances, this approach works great. But without the aid of sound, the veil of that illusion is stripped. And I've found that once you notice this difference, it's hard to unnotice it.
Depends on the switch in my experience.And that's the crux of the matter: clickies feel the way they do only because they can trick our imagination into 'feeling' something that isn't there. I have no bone to pick with clickies because, under ordinary circumstances, this approach works great. But without the aid of sound, the veil of that illusion is stripped. And I've found that once you notice this difference, it's hard to unnotice it.I say it is the inverse.
Depends on the switch in my experience.And that's the crux of the matter: clickies feel the way they do only because they can trick our imagination into 'feeling' something that isn't there. I have no bone to pick with clickies because, under ordinary circumstances, this approach works great. But without the aid of sound, the veil of that illusion is stripped. And I've found that once you notice this difference, it's hard to unnotice it.I say it is the inverse.
It's the same as smell and taste, they often are required for certain things to taste right. Oranges for instance rely a lot on smell to taste how they do, you just interpret it as taste (coffee too if I remember right).Depends on the switch in my experience.And that's the crux of the matter: clickies feel the way they do only because they can trick our imagination into 'feeling' something that isn't there. I have no bone to pick with clickies because, under ordinary circumstances, this approach works great. But without the aid of sound, the veil of that illusion is stripped. And I've found that once you notice this difference, it's hard to unnotice it.I say it is the inverse.
Many things could be inferred by this statement. Could you elaborate?
It's the same as smell and taste, they often are required for certain things to taste right. Oranges for instance rely a lot on smell to taste how they do, you just interpret it as taste (coffee too if I remember right).Depends on the switch in my experience.And that's the crux of the matter: clickies feel the way they do only because they can trick our imagination into 'feeling' something that isn't there. I have no bone to pick with clickies because, under ordinary circumstances, this approach works great. But without the aid of sound, the veil of that illusion is stripped. And I've found that once you notice this difference, it's hard to unnotice it.I say it is the inverse.
Many things could be inferred by this statement. Could you elaborate?
Klling the click on some really does damage the tactility, and not always the ones you would think. In my experience Box switches really lose tactility without the click none of the tactiles feel the same and I've tried most of them as well as a funky Jade and Navy that didn't click, they were not the same. Strangely Cherry MX Blue does not lose tactility (or at least very little) when the jacket is locked.
That's a very interesting perspective. I can't wrap my head around it though myself. I would certainly be willing to try it. I don't think I have any noise cancelling headphones anymore, but I do love to blare music. In fact, I do often type while blaring music loud enough to drown out all other sounds, or type with box jades beneath a blanket in bed.
I perceive navies to be less tactile than jades, probably due in no small part to the fact that you hit a wall more abruptly with the weaker spring, so you're putting more effort singularly into overcoming the click bar. With both jades and navies I can run right up to a sort of shelf and rest my fingers on it knowing that if I go beyond it at all, the click bar will snap over the nub in the slider and momentum will hurl the slider down suddenly. Similarly, I can't see how box pinks could ever feel like Cherry browns. Cherry browns have a totally different feel, more of a rounded bump like most Cherry/clone tactiles. I feel no bump at all with browns unless depressing very slowly. When I do depress Cherry browns very slowly, there's so little tactility that it is hard to tell that there's anything other than a very slight bump in otherwise linear travel. With any click bar switch, overcoming the clickbar is something sudden, not rounded/gradual.
The thicker click bars do a better job of ramping up the pressure just before they snap over the nub on the slider (not as good as complicated Alps, better than Matias, etc) than the thinner ones. They're otherwise totally linear outside of the click on return (one of their weaknesses in my mind). I think that jades and navies achieve their status by having that slight noticeable ramping up of pressure as the click bar bends, before breaking away suddenly/cleanly.
You're talking more about modified and/or defective switches though, aren't you? If a clicky switch doesn't click at all, it isn't functioning as designed, and tactility should reasonably be altered as a result. We're talking more about clicky switches with no alterations at all other than the absence of the sound they make.While possible with those, it just shows it matters.
That's a very interesting perspective. I can't wrap my head around it though myself. I would certainly be willing to try it. I don't think I have any noise cancelling headphones anymore, but I do love to blare music. In fact, I do often type while blaring music loud enough to drown out all other sounds, or type with box jades beneath a blanket in bed.
I should probably clarify here that mere noise-cancelling headphones aren't enough to remove the audible click. I'm very sensitive to distractions, and I have young children in the house and a wife who also works from home, so I try my absolute hardest to remove outside sounds. So I wear noise-cancelling headphones (Bose QC45 - the best noise-cancelling I've tried, and perhaps the best on the market, according to reviews I've seen) with fairly loud music playing and a special sound effect layer that combines multiple ambient sounds like rain, wind, and white noise. If I don't have all three, then I can still hear clicky switches very clearly. Even with all three, I can still hear the clickies a bit, though quieter, at which point the physical feel of the switch takes on more prominence.
Though to test out the effect yourself, some good earplugs (perhaps combined with earmuffs) would probably suffice.
QuoteI perceive navies to be less tactile than jades, probably due in no small part to the fact that you hit a wall more abruptly with the weaker spring, so you're putting more effort singularly into overcoming the click bar. With both jades and navies I can run right up to a sort of shelf and rest my fingers on it knowing that if I go beyond it at all, the click bar will snap over the nub in the slider and momentum will hurl the slider down suddenly. Similarly, I can't see how box pinks could ever feel like Cherry browns. Cherry browns have a totally different feel, more of a rounded bump like most Cherry/clone tactiles. I feel no bump at all with browns unless depressing very slowly. When I do depress Cherry browns very slowly, there's so little tactility that it is hard to tell that there's anything other than a very slight bump in otherwise linear travel. With any click bar switch, overcoming the clickbar is something sudden, not rounded/gradual.
You're right that Box Pinks have a sharp dropoff after the click that Browns could never have. This is very evident at slow pressing speeds, but I find that it becomes very subtle at fast (ie. regular) typing speeds, at which point the audible click is doing much of the work. I guess I could maybe compare it to the feeling of a small pothole on a road. If you drive over it very slowly, you'll feel it as a definite and sudden cliff that the car momentarily falls into. But if you drive over it very fast, it becomes a less significant bump that barely alters the car's trajectory.
QuoteThe thicker click bars do a better job of ramping up the pressure just before they snap over the nub on the slider (not as good as complicated Alps, better than Matias, etc) than the thinner ones. They're otherwise totally linear outside of the click on return (one of their weaknesses in my mind). I think that jades and navies achieve their status by having that slight noticeable ramping up of pressure as the click bar bends, before breaking away suddenly/cleanly.
It's this sudden and clean breaking away that I feel is the weakness (though this is obviously just matter of personal and subjective preference). Because in a switch like this, the point of activation is marked by an absence or vanishing of physical resistance, which just somehow doesn't feel as fundamentally satisfying to me. Yes, I can feel when the clickbar has been overcome, and yes this is a much sharper event than in a tactile switch, but somehow I'm still missing a sense of direct feedback from the switch. A sense that the switch is still interacting with my finger in direct response to the actuation, rather than the switch just 'giving up' and letting my finger go into freefall. Tactile switches often do this to a (moderate extent) with that 'braking' effect I referred to earlier, which can make the switch hit a second, smaller "shelf" immediately after the main tactile event. I imagine that if the clickbar were to somehow slap against the stem itself, producing a little vibration that I could feel in my finger, that would be a great improvement.
On that thought, I wonder why no one has ever made a tactile stem with a 'sawtooth' shape in the stem leg, so that the leaf actually loses contact with the stem for a split-second before coming back to give the stem a genuine, discrete *slap*. I imagine that would be very satisfyingly tactile. You would get a sharp clicky-like snap that you can feel as well as hear (and the sound might-be less tinny too). But I guess there's probably some reason why it wouldn't work, which is why no one does it.
Alps and capacitive buckling springs…I really like where this thread is going.
The most tactile that I've tried are the Boba U4T, it has a very sharp tactile bump. Some of my friends tried my lubed/filmed U4T and they noticed that it's one of the most tactile switches they have ever tried too.
The most tactile that I've tried are the Boba U4T, it has a very sharp tactile bump. Some of my friends tried my lubed/filmed U4T and they noticed that it's one of the most tactile switches they have ever tried too.
Yeah, I think I'll give those Boba U4T a try, sounds like could be an option to my Zealios v2s.
The most tactile switch is topre with third party rubber dome like BKE or DesKeys.
The interesting part here that the more weight dome has - the more tactility it loses. The most tactile domes are light ones.
For example I use deskeys Tiffany domes (35g) and they are more tactile that original 45g
The most tactile switch is topre with third party rubber dome like BKE or DesKeys.
The interesting part here that the more weight dome has - the more tactility it loses. The most tactile domes are light ones.
For example I use deskeys Tiffany domes (35g) and they are more tactile that original 45g
The most tactile switch is topre with third party rubber dome like BKE or DesKeys.
The interesting part here that the more weight dome has - the more tactility it loses. The most tactile domes are light ones.
For example I use deskeys Tiffany domes (35g) and they are more tactile that original 45g
Are all the light replacement domes (30-35 g) very tactile? It's my understanding that the BKE light and ultra-light aren't necessarily super-tactile.
I also have an ABKO (Niz) 45 G, but I wouldn't call it highly-tactile. I would say it's a linear-style tactility, where there's a moderate amount of tactility that is pretty consistent through the keypress. No big 'bump.'
A 30-35 G dome that's about as tactile as ABKO, or a little more, could be fun for me.
The most tactile switch is topre with third party rubber dome like BKE or DesKeys.
The interesting part here that the more weight dome has - the more tactility it loses. The most tactile domes are light ones.
For example I use deskeys Tiffany domes (35g) and they are more tactile that original 45g
More tactile than Maxi Switch dome with slider? Those are really tactile. I only have stock 55g Topre and 45g Niz though.
The most tactile switch is topre with third party rubber dome like BKE or DesKeys.
The interesting part here that the more weight dome has - the more tactility it loses. The most tactile domes are light ones.
For example I use deskeys Tiffany domes (35g) and they are more tactile that original 45g
More tactile than Maxi Switch dome with slider? Those are really tactile. I only have stock 55g Topre and 45g Niz though.
I had a Gateway 2000 AnyKey (with Maxi Switch dome with slider) and did not find it to be all that tactile as some have claimed it to be. If I had to describe Maxi Switch dome with slider in one word it would be mushy. If there is a distinction between mushiness and tactility, it is lost on me. I would put it below BKE domes, BTC dome with slider, Scorpius dome with slider, and NMB dome with slider in terms of tactility.
Clickiez™ group buy will launch Q4 2021. It's finally happening! For real. We're just adjusting the spring weight right now to find the optimal balance in click to weight. One will be moderate weighted in the 60-70g range, and the other (original version) heavier at ~100g peak force. More details to come / sneak peeks in Discord.
In relation to the clicky / tactile discussion, ZealPC has announced it is launching the ALPS-style clicky in Q4:
The most tactile switch is topre with third party rubber dome like BKE or DesKeys.
The interesting part here that the more weight dome has - the more tactility it loses. The most tactile domes are light ones.
For example I use deskeys Tiffany domes (35g) and they are more tactile that original 45g
More tactile than Maxi Switch dome with slider? Those are really tactile. I only have stock 55g Topre and 45g Niz though.
I had a Gateway 2000 AnyKey (with Maxi Switch dome with slider) and did not find it to be all that tactile as some have claimed it to be. If I had to describe Maxi Switch dome with slider in one word it would be mushy. If there is a distinction between mushiness and tactility, it is lost on me. I would put it below BKE domes, BTC dome with slider, Scorpius dome with slider, and NMB dome with slider in terms of tactility.
I don't own any of those other dome with slider types for direct comparison, though I do kind of want to grab a BTC one some time soon. I don't know that there's anything utilizing a dome that couldn't be described, in some way, as "mushy". With my Maxi Switch board you have just a tiny bit of travel before hitting a wall. It takes a lot of force to overcome to cause the dome to suddenly buckle.
Seems a lot more tactile to me than the stock 55g Topre in my Realforce, which are the second-most tactile domes I have felt. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The most tactile switch is topre with third party rubber dome like BKE or DesKeys.
The interesting part here that the more weight dome has - the more tactility it loses. The most tactile domes are light ones.
For example I use deskeys Tiffany domes (35g) and they are more tactile that original 45g
More tactile than Maxi Switch dome with slider? Those are really tactile. I only have stock 55g Topre and 45g Niz though.
I had a Gateway 2000 AnyKey (with Maxi Switch dome with slider) and did not find it to be all that tactile as some have claimed it to be. If I had to describe Maxi Switch dome with slider in one word it would be mushy. If there is a distinction between mushiness and tactility, it is lost on me. I would put it below BKE domes, BTC dome with slider, Scorpius dome with slider, and NMB dome with slider in terms of tactility.
I don't own any of those other dome with slider types for direct comparison, though I do kind of want to grab a BTC one some time soon. I don't know that there's anything utilizing a dome that couldn't be described, in some way, as "mushy". With my Maxi Switch board you have just a tiny bit of travel before hitting a wall. It takes a lot of force to overcome to cause the dome to suddenly buckle.
Seems a lot more tactile to me than the stock 55g Topre in my Realforce, which are the second-most tactile domes I have felt. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I have 30g, 45g, have had 55g Topre, Realforce and HHKB... I don't find the 30g to be very tactile simply because they're very light, but they do have a nice hump that goes the whole key travel. 55g just felt heavier without really feeling any more tactile.
The 45g in the HHKB is definitely considerably more tactile and "poppy" than the Realforce. 45g Hi Pro also feels excellent if you can get over the keycaps.
Of course, my Keytronics membrane board is much more tactile than any of them (or any mechanical board). Very pronounced.
I got out an old Focus FK2001 with white Alps for the first time in ages and it surprised me how tactile it is... definitely more tactile than the Blue ones, though those feel nicer because of the more elongated and smoother tactile hump.
I recently tried a clicky switch I hadn't tried before (Frankenswitch, actually) that is noticeably more tactile than any of the box clickies. Out of curiosity, I bought a pack of 10 Phoenix stems (Outemu, I believe), which are a click jacket design. After trying a bunch of housings, Durock Koala housings seemed the best fit, though they needed fairly stiff springs to feel responsive enough on the upstroke (I tried them in 75g and 90g variants). I tried them in some blind tests with Kailh box pinks/owls/jades/navies, and the Phoenix stems most definitely were the most tactile of all. I say "blind" tests, though they were anything but, since I could tell the switches apart very easily. The Phoenix/Koalas weren't outrageously tactile by any means, but they certainly were noticeably more so than any of the box switches. You can better feel the vibration of the actual click event in your finger, so the tactility feels less 'simulated' than in a box switch IMO.
Having said that, my favourite clicky switch at the moment is the Kailh Owl. Its weight feels somewhere between a pink and a jade, but the operation somehow feels cleaner (less 'grittier') than any of the other box switches. I'd never thought of box switches as being particularly 'gritty', but I do like this extra clean feeling owl switch.
I got out an old Focus FK2001 with white Alps for the first time in ages and it surprised me how tactile it is... definitely more tactile than the Blue ones, though those feel nicer because of the more elongated and smoother tactile hump.
I need to try those alps for first time - people keep saying they are nice:)
Is this Focus FK2001 hard to find? Expensive?
I wish I could get somewhere authentic Holy Pandas - not those Drop ones or whatever, those original ones.
Does anyone have them? Could I get at least few to try them out?
I wish I could get somewhere authentic Holy Pandas - not those Drop ones or whatever, those original ones.
Does anyone have them? Could I get at least few to try them out?
You just build them. Buy YOK Panda [black Panda or some other colour] housings from somewhere like Novelkeys, and put the stems of Halo True / Halo Clear in them.
These days, you can even substitute a Kailh Polia stem [which is similar or identical to Halo True] in the YOK housing.
You can use springs anywhere from 55 G [very borderline] to 78 G. 67-68 G is popular, and may have been what the original HPs used. However, I find 63.5 G Spirit and also 65 G 14mm TX to be good weights, and also 68 G Progressive.
If you can't find YOK Panda housings, you can use Boba housings to make Holy Bobas, which are arguably better.
If it wasn't suggested the new switche by Zeal are ridiculously heavy when modded to be tactile.
I wish I could get somewhere authentic Holy Pandas - not those Drop ones or whatever, those original ones.
Does anyone have them? Could I get at least few to try them out?
You just build them. Buy YOK Panda [black Panda or some other colour] housings from somewhere like Novelkeys, and put the stems of Halo True / Halo Clear in them.
These days, you can even substitute a Kailh Polia stem [which is similar or identical to Halo True] in the YOK housing.
You can use springs anywhere from 55 G [very borderline] to 78 G. 67-68 G is popular, and may have been what the original HPs used. However, I find 63.5 G Spirit and also 65 G 14mm TX to be good weights, and also 68 G Progressive.
If you can't find YOK Panda housings, you can use Boba housings to make Holy Bobas, which are arguably better.
Sounds like it is the only way to get them.
I heard about Holy Bobas - only thing is they are so ugly, colors I mean.
But yeah, I would like to try some new switches.
Yes, the real tactile switches aren't in the MX world at all, except for those housing designs that deviate from Cherry [BOX, Clickiez]. Wish Matias hadn't gone with simplified ALPS and faulty PCBs - imagine what we could have today.
There are no super tactile MX-type switches. Zealios are incredibly overrated in this regard, as are virtually all MX hack jobs.
BOX Royals are a good one for if that's your thing. Tactile-modded Clickiez are probably the king of tactile tactiles, I'd say. They really are fairly absurd, and unlike other modern switches, actually have a genuine technological foundation for it rather than a mythical reputation.
The most tactile switch I've ever tried are an extremely obscure type of Alps clone. If anyone manages to find a batch of those, definitely please contact me. Most Alps switches aren't all that tactile though, their tactility is just sharp.
it's very questionable whether "more tactile" is synonymous with "better", and nothing proves that point quite so much as this. anything more extreme than about a 40-45 gram drop is counterproductive. buy something with good reviews and be happy with it.
the gist of this one is some switch modder was playing around with different combinations when they found a that a blueberry stem in a gazzew housing was the most tactile mx type switch, posted it online, and someone with a tg3 board laying around figured it'd be funny to try making it worseit's very questionable whether "more tactile" is synonymous with "better", and nothing proves that point quite so much as this. anything more extreme than about a 40-45 gram drop is counterproductive. buy something with good reviews and be happy with it.
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What kind of lunatic does this?
TG3's newer boards have an interesting dome with slider mechanism ... with coil springs. I think they're trying to reproduce the feel of their older MX black boards with the "raincoat". There are other (even more interesting) things about them but I haven't stopped being lazy enough to make a thread about it.
I'm a big fan of the Zealios v2 78g switches too, but it's always fun to experiment with new options. Have you checked out the reviews for the Gazzew Boba U4T 68g, Box Royal, Durock T1s, and BKE Redux Heavy/Extreme switches?
If it wasn't suggested the new switche by Zeal are ridiculously heavy when modded to be tactile.can concur
Good memories of the cursed topre board from the mode meet :)Show Image(https://raw.githubusercontent.com/bluepylons/Open-Switch-Curve-Meter/main/Force%20curve%20measurements/TG3-Copre-over-NK-Blueberry-stem-in-Boba.png)
it's very questionable whether "more tactile" is synonymous with "better", and nothing proves that point quite so much as this. anything more extreme than about a 40-45 gram drop is counterproductive. buy something with good reviews and be happy with it.There are no super tactile MX-type switches. Zealios are incredibly overrated in this regard, as are virtually all MX hack jobs.
BOX Royals are a good one for if that's your thing. Tactile-modded Clickiez are probably the king of tactile tactiles, I'd say. They really are fairly absurd, and unlike other modern switches, actually have a genuine technological foundation for it rather than a mythical reputation.
The most tactile switch I've ever tried are an extremely obscure type of Alps clone. If anyone manages to find a batch of those, definitely please contact me. Most Alps switches aren't all that tactile though, their tactility is just sharp.
maybe you should try the ones I just posted. even without the tg3 domes it is tactile to the point of being detrimental