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Title: [IC] DCS Alps Rectifier
Post by: Tyson on Mon, 13 December 2021, 21:14:04
DCS Alps Rectifier
(https://i.imgur.com/sjlulM9.jpg)
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COLORS
All the colors of the set are stock SP colors!

Alphas: SP GSL (Light Grey)
Mods: SP GSM (Cool Dark Grey)
Accents: SP BFJ (Soft Blue)


Small Batch GB Date: TBD



KITTING(Adding Alice extra B + split bars to base kit in next render)

(https://i.imgur.com/6CxIqZc.jpg)
BASE:[Targeting $120 (50MOQ)]
 Standard Base Kit with TKL, with Minimal 40s and Alice Support


 
RENDERS
 
TGR Jane V2
(https://i.imgur.com/sjlulM9.jpg)


TGR Alice
(https://i.imgur.com/STRLpR6.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/vbb084o.jpg)


TGR 910
(https://i.imgur.com/pmAB5W5.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/LrUrpjf.jpg)

Thank you, Skok for the awesome renders as always




TO DO LIST:
- Tweak Kitting according to IC form and Geekhack Thread
- See if there is enough interest to run this in Alps
- Waiting for Quotes from SP

Title: Re: [IC] DCS Rectifier
Post by: Tyson on Mon, 13 December 2021, 21:14:34
Reserved
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Rectifier
Post by: Fraaaan on Mon, 13 December 2021, 21:19:56
Your base and extension kit both have an F13 in them. Labeling the spacebars in the spacebar kit would be nice. Maybe add a r1 '=' in the extension kit?

GLWIC!
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Rectifier
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Mon, 13 December 2021, 21:26:52
(https://lastminuteengineers.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Fullwave-Bridge-Rectifier.png)
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Rectifier
Post by: C_L | Soup on Mon, 13 December 2021, 21:58:06
[attach=1]
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Rectifier
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 13 December 2021, 22:00:40
wyse legends or do this in GMK

colors are nice though
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Rectifier
Post by: Woovie on Mon, 13 December 2021, 22:02:06
Quote from: Fraaaan on Mon, 13 December 2021, 21:19:56
Your base and extension kit both have an F13 in them. Labeling the spacebars in the spacebar kit would be nice. Maybe add a r1 '=' in the extension kit?

GLWIC!

From the OP

Quote
Please note that kits are subject to change, F13 is in both Base and Extension due to the fact that it might be moved from Base into Extension.

Looks good! Gib mono alpha kit.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Rectifier
Post by: PixelPlays__ on Mon, 13 December 2021, 22:13:24
Quote from: Puddsy on Mon, 13 December 2021, 22:00:40
wyse legends or do this in GMK

colors are nice though

I agree; Wyse legends on this would look really nice! Also...any chance for Albs support?
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Rectifier
Post by: hali on Mon, 13 December 2021, 22:18:47
the iso is confusing. i recommend googling a uk iso keyboard layout and then using those keys or copying the terminal iso outlined in most sets nowadays
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Rectifier
Post by: Tyson on Mon, 13 December 2021, 22:24:50
Quote from: hali on Mon, 13 December 2021, 22:18:47
the iso is confusing. i recommend googling a uk iso keyboard layout and then using those keys or copying the terminal iso outlined in most sets nowadays

The iso keys in this set are UK ISO and US Terminal ISO. lol
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Rectifier
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 13 December 2021, 22:27:25
Quote from: hali on Mon, 13 December 2021, 22:18:47
the iso is confusing. i recommend googling a uk iso keyboard layout and then using those keys or copying the terminal iso outlined in most sets nowadays

are we looking at the same render
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Rectifier
Post by: Zetina on Mon, 13 December 2021, 22:38:58
+1 on Wyse legends
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Rectifier
Post by: HungHingDaiLo on Mon, 13 December 2021, 22:44:11
Thank you, Skok for the awesome renders as always.

Yay numpad in base! Any price estimate on base kit, even just give or take?
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Rectifier
Post by: The0rigina1 on Mon, 13 December 2021, 22:51:12
Would be big poggers if you use relegendables in the macros
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Rectifier
Post by: Kokaloo on Mon, 13 December 2021, 23:24:43
this just makes me want a hydro rerun
Title: [IC] DCS Rectifier
Post by: mcmcmc on Tue, 14 December 2021, 00:42:18
this is so cool. i like it.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Rectifier
Post by: paulgali on Tue, 14 December 2021, 02:18:18
Quote from: Puddsy on Mon, 13 December 2021, 22:00:40
wyse legends or do this in GMK

colors are nice though

Mans based  :thumb:

Sidenote, nice, but yes. WYSE pls. Also this looks somewhat like hydro if I'm not mistaken, I like
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Rectifier
Post by: konstantin on Tue, 14 December 2021, 04:29:26
Might I suggest moving the R1 `¬, 2", 3£, R3 '@, #~, R4 \| keys to the extension kit? (Also, the #~ key should be R3 instead of R4.)

Seeing as this is a DCS set and not GMK, there is much less benefit to including 3-key 40s support in the base kit. Those keys should probably be moved to the 40s kit (see this (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=114170.msg3087942#msg3087942) and this (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=114170.msg3087935#msg3087935)).
Speaking of the 40s kit, the 2u Shift key should be removed, and 40%-specific spacebar sizes should be added (2× 1u, 2× 2u, 2.25u, 2.75u). Similarly, the second copy of 1u and 2u space should be removed from the spacebars kit.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Rectifier
Post by: hali on Tue, 14 December 2021, 06:39:13
Quote from: Puddsy on Mon, 13 December 2021, 22:27:25
are we looking at the same render
likely; i now realize that the set has both uk and terminal iso, with the ukiso having one of its r3 keys in r4. imo doing both doesn't make much sense to me; uk with r3 pipe for us iso layouts is probably the most i'd do here
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Rectifier
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 14 December 2021, 10:18:42
Quote from: paulgali on Tue, 14 December 2021, 02:18:18
Quote from: Puddsy on Mon, 13 December 2021, 22:00:40
wyse legends or do this in GMK

colors are nice though

Mans based  :thumb:

Sidenote, nice, but yes. WYSE pls. Also this looks somewhat like hydro if I'm not mistaken, I like

ya it's defo hydro adjacent but since the likelihood of us ever getting a hydro rerun is very low, we can accept this
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Rectifier
Post by: Tyson on Tue, 14 December 2021, 16:41:39
Thank you everyone for the quick feedback! Glad y’all like it! When I was working on colors I definitely made sure to check and make sure the colors were different enough from GMK Hydro. After I chose the colors I quickly noticed the resemblance to Hydro, TA90, and True Olivetti. I chose the blue because it was soft and didn’t pop loudly with the mod color nor the alphas, but was dark enough to not have any contrast issues! I was not trying to recreate Hydro, the grey alphas make the set unique in its own right. It’ll be noticeable when the set ships.

As for updates I’d like to announce some vendors for this set!

ThocKeys for the US vendor, AshKeebs for the CA vendor and Proto[Typist] for the UK vendor! I will be posting more vendors as the IC progresses.

I would also like to talk to y’all about the kitting. When I was originally working on this set I decided to make mock-ups of different versions of the base kit to get quotes on, one with everything in it as you currently see it, one with ISO & Numpad/1800 support removed, and one with 3 key 40s & ISO & Numpad/1800 & mod pipe/tilde support removed. I also made new kits for ISO, Numpad/1800 and made a second 40s kit with the 3 key support moved to that kit. I made sure to send all the kit mock-ups to get quotes so we won’t have to keep asking SP for quotes. When the quotes do come in would you guys like to see the pricing options for those other versions of the set? Basically I would like to try to provide everyone with the best value option be it breaking out the kits, or leaving everything in the base kit how it is now. Breaking out the kits might provide better value for people who might only want a TKL base with lets say ISO, or a TKL base with 40s. You guys get the idea! I understand this is a bit different from the norm as a lot of people typically start off with broken out kits then move things to a big kit. I’d thought I’d test this out with this set! Please let me know your opinions on the idea! :)
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Rectifier
Post by: Tyson on Tue, 14 December 2021, 16:42:49
Oh! Also, I won’t be doing deskmats nor metal caps for this set. Just sticking with the normal keyset for this project! :)
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Rectifier
Post by: AstralYT on Wed, 15 December 2021, 00:35:39
This may be an unpopular opinion, but keep the cherry font. Not the biggest fan of Gorton.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Rectifier
Post by: Tyson on Wed, 15 December 2021, 01:10:33
Quote from: AstralYT on Wed, 15 December 2021, 00:35:39
This may be an unpopular opinion, but keep the cherry font. Not the biggest fan of Gorton.

The font is staying Cherry. I have no intention on making it Gorton, I understand that there are fans of Gorton out there but imo Cherry looks fine.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Rectifier
Post by: neon_tom on Wed, 15 December 2021, 06:58:13
Quote from: Tyson on Wed, 15 December 2021, 01:10:33
Quote from: AstralYT on Wed, 15 December 2021, 00:35:39
This may be an unpopular opinion, but keep the cherry font. Not the biggest fan of Gorton.

The font is staying Cherry. I have no intention on making it Gorton, I understand that there are fans of Gorton out there but imo Cherry looks fine.
+1. The font looks great as it is.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Rectifier
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 15 December 2021, 11:43:12
Quote from: Tyson on Wed, 15 December 2021, 01:10:33
Quote from: AstralYT on Wed, 15 December 2021, 00:35:39
This may be an unpopular opinion, but keep the cherry font. Not the biggest fan of Gorton.

The font is staying Cherry. I have no intention on making it Gorton, I understand that there are fans of Gorton out there but imo Cherry looks fine.

did you already get permission to use the cherry legends? this can sometimes be a roadblock.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Rectifier
Post by: Tyson on Wed, 15 December 2021, 12:41:47
Quote from: konstantin on Tue, 14 December 2021, 04:29:26
Might I suggest moving the R1 `¬, 2", 3£, R3 '@, #~, R4 \| keys to the extension kit? (Also, the #~ key should be R3 instead of R4.)

Seeing as this is a DCS set and not GMK, there is much less benefit to including 3-key 40s support in the base kit. Those keys should probably be moved to the 40s kit (see this (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=114170.msg3087942#msg3087942) and this (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=114170.msg3087935#msg3087935)).
Speaking of the 40s kit, the 2u Shift key should be removed, and 40%-specific spacebar sizes should be added (2× 1u, 2× 2u, 2.25u, 2.75u). Similarly, the second copy of 1u and 2u space should be removed from the spacebars kit.

Regarding ISO, it looks like the renders were a bit off and I am just catching them now. My bad! I looked back on my KLEs and noticed that I have #~ listed as R3. 3 key 40s support is going to stay in the base kit and the 40s kit along with the spacebar kit will not be changed.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Rectifier
Post by: Tyson on Wed, 15 December 2021, 12:43:17
Quote from: Puddsy on Wed, 15 December 2021, 11:43:12
Quote from: Tyson on Wed, 15 December 2021, 01:10:33
Quote from: AstralYT on Wed, 15 December 2021, 00:35:39
This may be an unpopular opinion, but keep the cherry font. Not the biggest fan of Gorton.

The font is staying Cherry. I have no intention on making it Gorton, I understand that there are fans of Gorton out there but imo Cherry looks fine.

did you already get permission to use the cherry legends? this can sometimes be a roadblock.

I just emailed Melissa asking about this, this was her response

"Steven-

Cherry legends are open for use, the only stipulation for these is if there needs to be a new legend created, that new legend is also open for use.

Thanks!"

(For those wondering, my name is Steven Tyson lol, I go by Tyson literally everywhere though.)
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Rectifier
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 15 December 2021, 13:12:51
Quote from: Tyson on Wed, 15 December 2021, 12:43:17
Quote from: Puddsy on Wed, 15 December 2021, 11:43:12
Quote from: Tyson on Wed, 15 December 2021, 01:10:33
Quote from: AstralYT on Wed, 15 December 2021, 00:35:39
This may be an unpopular opinion, but keep the cherry font. Not the biggest fan of Gorton.

The font is staying Cherry. I have no intention on making it Gorton, I understand that there are fans of Gorton out there but imo Cherry looks fine.

did you already get permission to use the cherry legends? this can sometimes be a roadblock.

I just emailed Melissa asking about this, this was her response

"Steven-

Cherry legends are open for use, the only stipulation for these is if there needs to be a new legend created, that new legend is also open for use.

Thanks!"

(For those wondering, my name is Steven Tyson lol, I go by Tyson literally everywhere though.)

this is new! nice
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Rectifier
Post by: konstantin on Thu, 16 December 2021, 17:16:55
Quote from: Tyson on Wed, 15 December 2021, 12:41:47
3 key 40s support is going to stay in the base kit and the 40s kit along with the spacebar kit will not be changed.

Why do you think that is better?
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Rectifier
Post by: white_rabbit on Fri, 17 December 2021, 07:51:54
Hey nice set, consider changing the legend on the R2 1u from 'BS' to 'Back'
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Rectifier
Post by: Tyson on Fri, 17 December 2021, 12:53:18
Update:

After looking at the google forms feedback page, I have made the decision to break apart the base kit. The new kits are listed below:

> Base Kit

(https://i.imgur.com/6CxIqZc.jpg)

> 1800 Kit

(https://i.imgur.com/wc5OVsO.png)

> ISO Kit

(https://i.imgur.com/SKyGamn.png)

> Extension Kit

(https://i.imgur.com/IINynR0.png)

> 40s Kit

(https://i.imgur.com/rwlZQtJ.jpg)

> Spacebar Kit

(https://i.imgur.com/RoLhUg6.png)

> 10u Spacebar Kit

(https://i.imgur.com/tpgJAfd.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Rectifier
Post by: Woovie on Fri, 17 December 2021, 15:05:20
Very cool, I appreciate this change a lot as an Alice user.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Rectifier
Post by: stidal on Fri, 17 December 2021, 15:08:04
i like. simple, clean colorway
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Rectifier | Kitting Adjustments | GB Date: March 2022
Post by: Tyson on Wed, 22 December 2021, 19:05:27
Just wanted to update everyone! I have posted the adjusted kits and have been able to secure a GB date of March 2022! Please keep submitting your feedback to let me know if you like the new kitting or not. I thought this base kit might be more favorable for a lot of users in the hobby!
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Rectifier | Kitting Adjustments | GB Date: March 2022
Post by: white_rabbit on Sun, 26 December 2021, 12:27:51
I would appreciate having a 125 Shift in Base as it is not exclusive to ISO layouts.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Rectifier | Kitting Adjustments | GB Date: March 2022
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 26 December 2021, 12:36:01
Quote from: white_rabbit on Sun, 26 December 2021, 12:27:51
I would appreciate having a 125 Shift in Base as it is not exclusive to ISO layouts.

what layouts use it other than ISO?
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Rectifier | Kitting Adjustments | GB Date: March 2022
Post by: white_rabbit on Mon, 27 December 2021, 11:23:47
Quote from: Puddsy on Sun, 26 December 2021, 12:36:01
Quote from: white_rabbit on Sun, 26 December 2021, 12:27:51
I would appreciate having a 125 Shift in Base as it is not exclusive to ISO layouts.

what layouts use it other than ISO?
Various sub 60% layouts.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Rectifier | Kitting Adjustments | GB Date: March 2022
Post by: Tyson on Mon, 27 December 2021, 12:07:39
Quote from: white_rabbit on Mon, 27 December 2021, 11:23:47
Quote from: Puddsy on Sun, 26 December 2021, 12:36:01
Quote from: white_rabbit on Sun, 26 December 2021, 12:27:51
I would appreciate having a 125 Shift in Base as it is not exclusive to ISO layouts.

what layouts use it other than ISO?
Various sub 60% layouts.

Do you have an images of the layout? Unfortunately I do not have any plans on moving this key into the base kit unless there is more feedback on it. Right now you are the only person I've heard from that has mentioned it being used in other layouts other than ISO.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Rectifier | Kitting Adjustments | GB Date: March 2022
Post by: white_rabbit on Mon, 27 December 2021, 14:05:13
Many 12u / 13u+ layouts make use of this key (JD40, JD45, TMOv2, 45-ATS, Adelie, Cajal, Neuron, Prime E, etc). It's not a big deal as the key could be substituted by sacrificing legend accuracy with another bottom row modifier.

Just thought it was worth mentioning.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Rectifier | Kitting Adjustments | GB Date: March 2022
Post by: Tyson on Tue, 04 January 2022, 12:34:23
Quote from: white_rabbit on Mon, 27 December 2021, 14:05:13
Many 12u / 13u+ layouts make use of this key (JD40, JD45, TMOv2, 45-ATS, Adelie, Cajal, Neuron, Prime E, etc). It's not a big deal as the key could be substituted by sacrificing legend accuracy with another bottom row modifier.

Just thought it was worth mentioning.

Hmmm, seeing as how I have to submit for another quote before the GB (the current quotes I have were only good for 60 days, a new policy from SP) I will look into adding that key into the base kit and removing it from the ISO kit that way other 40s boards can use it if they want. :) Thank you for letting me know. I had no idea that many 40s used that key!
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Rectifier | Kitting Adjustments | GB Date: March 2022
Post by: Mcnos on Fri, 07 January 2022, 01:23:30
I like it, yes
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Rectifier | Kitting Adjustments | GB Date: March 2022
Post by: DirtyGingy on Sun, 09 January 2022, 06:52:19
So it's sort of like a semi Olivetti vibe. Not bad

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Title: Re: [IC] DCS Rectifier | Kitting Adjustments | GB Date: March 2022
Post by: Tyson on Wed, 12 January 2022, 14:38:47
I'd like to announce that we added on a few more vendors to run this set in multiple parts of the world!

EU: Keygem

IN: Rectangles.store

And with that all the vendors have been added for this keyset, currently I am working on pricing for all the kits and will update everyone once we have more information on that! Thank you again to everyone who is interested in this set!
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Rectifier | Target MOQs and Pricing Added | GB Date: March 2022
Post by: Raravin on Thu, 13 January 2022, 11:54:49
Looking good as always~!
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Rectifier | Target MOQs and Pricing Added | GB Date: March 2022
Post by: raijba on Sat, 22 January 2022, 22:38:57
Really liking this set and would like throw my support behind adding a 1.25u Shift in the base or 40s kit!
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Rectifier | Putting project on hold
Post by: Tyson on Mon, 24 January 2022, 11:21:54
Hey guys! Just wanted to update everyone and let you all know that I am putting this project on a indefinite hold. The response has been pretty lackluster on it and I would rather it go on hold verses having to cancel the set mid GB because of poor sales. If there is more interest in the set as time goes on I would be willing to revisit it but for now I have chosen to place this project on hold.

Thank you for the support and I look forward to working on more projects in the future!
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Alps Rectifier
Post by: Tyson on Mon, 31 January 2022, 13:06:24
Updated the set to include new information, I'd love to still try to run this even if it's in Alps! Would be really cool to just get enough interest to run a small batch of the set! It seems like there aren't too many custom alps sets out there, just your basic beige, DCS alps Yuri and now WoB.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Alps Rectifier
Post by: VoodooBear on Mon, 31 January 2022, 13:28:29
In for Alps.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Alps Rectifier
Post by: Ensaum on Mon, 31 January 2022, 13:35:49
I'm in for more alps sets.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Alps Rectifier
Post by: ibankais on Mon, 31 January 2022, 13:55:17
Looks great, def in for an alps set or two! GL!
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Alps Rectifier
Post by: robotictomato on Mon, 31 January 2022, 14:45:16
Definitely in for this!
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Alps Rectifier | Small Batch GB run
Post by: Little4Real on Mon, 31 January 2022, 16:17:40
+1 for Alps

Also, PLEASE keep the Cherry-style font!!!!!!!
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Alps Rectifier | Small Batch GB run
Post by: pixelpusher on Mon, 31 January 2022, 16:35:37
insert "but now you have my attention" meme here
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Alps Rectifier | Small Batch GB run
Post by: hineybush on Tue, 01 February 2022, 00:35:37
neat
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Alps Rectifier | Small Batch GB run
Post by: DetectiveNio on Tue, 01 February 2022, 14:16:42
We got hiney's stamp bois. Let's get this set  made

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Title: Re: [IC] DCS Alps Rectifier | Small Batch GB run
Post by: neon_tom on Tue, 01 February 2022, 17:42:10
Disappointed this won’t get made as originally envisioned but I won’t say no to an alps set.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Alps Rectifier | Small Batch GB run
Post by: euphxenos on Wed, 02 February 2022, 15:51:37
I'd be interested in this in Alps if you're making the 1800 kit and the extension kit.  If it's just that limited base kit, then there isn't enough compatibility there to be interesting to me.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Alps Rectifier | Small Batch GB run
Post by: Vanquish on Wed, 02 February 2022, 17:25:16
ALPS set? I'm in.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Alps Rectifier
Post by: ThatOldToby on Thu, 31 March 2022, 22:12:45
This one still moving forward? I'm into it.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Alps Rectifier
Post by: Tyson on Mon, 02 May 2022, 15:16:42
Quote from: ThatOldToby on Thu, 31 March 2022, 22:12:45
This one still moving forward? I'm into it.

Slowly, I have not given up on the project yet. Working on getting GMK Fundamentals shipped then on to IV Ashes, then GMK Deathly Queen, then Rectifier. I definitely want to run this set! Still up there on my list of sets to run!