Post by: ai03 on Tue, 21 December 2021, 17:03:15
(https://i.imgur.com/uxSG9hx.jpg)
Polaris V2
Reference 60% keyboard by Kevinplus and ai03
In 2019, we changed the keyboard scene forever with the release of Polaris, bringing much-acclaimed typing acoustics and comfort in an accessible package which holds its own even today.
Fast-forward three years, and Polaris is back - retaining everything that made the original legendary, while redesigning it thoroughly to stand yet again as a reference against ever-evolving standards.
Latest status:
- Units will be produced with and without rear logo
- Hotswap PCB has been changed to default 2U backspace with optional 1U positions
- Base kit now has a choice between hotswap and soldered options.
Details here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=115711.msg3101519#msg3101519)
To improve communications, all updates regarding this project will be centralized on its webpage (https://ai03.com/projects/polaris-v2/) and mirrored to Discord (https://discord.gg/qA5JD9y) for push notifications.
Since I often forget to check and post updates to every single location, please use the update page for guaranteed latest status updates.
(https://i.imgur.com/E6Cox5a.jpg)
Top-Tier Typing For All
Polaris V2 brings the battle-tested fully isolated gasket-mounted internals from Vega back to the original 60% form factor, with tweaks to further enhance acoustic performance while maintaining its absolute comfort for countless hours of usage.
With improvements to ease of assembly, Polaris V2 ensures that you can enjoy the input benefits regardless of keyboard experience.
(https://i.imgur.com/dWP9Pl0.jpg)
Reference Aesthetic Outside and In
The proven elegant, clean, and minimal exterior free of any visible screws has received much-needed modernization from Vega, while quietly improving internally for streamlined manufacturing and simplified assembly.
Along with its matte PVD-coated stainless steel weight, Polaris V2’s visuals are designed to withstand the test of time, carrying its elegance forward many decades while blending seamlessly into any environment.
(https://i.imgur.com/IdjegD5.jpg)
To Fulfill Your Desires
Every custom keyboard is different, and Polaris V2 is designed to be different - with multiple plate options, optional hotswap standoffs, and three optional layers of internal foam, you can tune Polaris V2 exactly the way you desire, ranging from anywhere between switch choice tester to dialed-in finalized build.
Every small detail was designed with much care to make Polaris V2 your ideal keyboard, down to the custom-designed screws, custom-designed rubber feet, and accent logo on the rear.
(https://i.imgur.com/d14D0Mw.jpg)
Hassle-Free Yet Extensible
The thin, flex-slotted hotswap PCB comes ready-to-go out of the box with VIA Configurator compatible firmware, requiring no soldering or driver headaches to assemble.
A solderable PCB kit is available for those who prefer to tailor the layout exactly to their preferences, and a much-requested replaceable USB daughterboard aids in extending the lifespan of the board.
(https://i.imgur.com/f990Yqh.jpg)
Preparing For What’s Next
A lot has changed since 2019 when Polaris V1 was announced - the keyboard community has grown exponentially, the world has changed permanently, and keyboard variety has skyrocketed.
We’ve combined both everything we’ve learned as well as brand-new knowledge to create the successor of the board which started our journey. Albeit against high expectations, we’re confident that Polaris V2 will fit in as a faithful member of your keyboard collection both for the present and for the future - whether as your single endgame build or among a family of other boards.
(https://i.imgur.com/RuV6VNX.png)
Specifications
Case weight: ~1.2kg
Plate materials: Aluminum, Polycarbonate
Case top variants: Regular, WKL, Corner Blocker
Case colors: Black, Grey, White, Yellow-Orange, Red, Blue
Dimensions: 296 x 110 x 28mm
Typing angle: 6.5deg
Sale method: To be announced
Price: To be announced
Vendor: TypePlus
Stock configuration: Case + choice of either hotswap PCB + hotswap plate kit or solderable PCB + universal plate kit
Hotswap PCB layout:
(https://i.imgur.com/2CZQUtS.png)
Solderable PCB layouts:
(https://i.imgur.com/ep45ozZ.png)
Polaris V2
Reference 60% keyboard by Kevinplus and ai03
In 2019, we changed the keyboard scene forever with the release of Polaris, bringing much-acclaimed typing acoustics and comfort in an accessible package which holds its own even today.
Fast-forward three years, and Polaris is back - retaining everything that made the original legendary, while redesigning it thoroughly to stand yet again as a reference against ever-evolving standards.
Latest status:
- Units will be produced with and without rear logo
- Hotswap PCB has been changed to default 2U backspace with optional 1U positions
- Base kit now has a choice between hotswap and soldered options.
Details here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=115711.msg3101519#msg3101519)
To improve communications, all updates regarding this project will be centralized on its webpage (https://ai03.com/projects/polaris-v2/) and mirrored to Discord (https://discord.gg/qA5JD9y) for push notifications.
Since I often forget to check and post updates to every single location, please use the update page for guaranteed latest status updates.
(https://i.imgur.com/E6Cox5a.jpg)
Top-Tier Typing For All
Polaris V2 brings the battle-tested fully isolated gasket-mounted internals from Vega back to the original 60% form factor, with tweaks to further enhance acoustic performance while maintaining its absolute comfort for countless hours of usage.
With improvements to ease of assembly, Polaris V2 ensures that you can enjoy the input benefits regardless of keyboard experience.
(https://i.imgur.com/dWP9Pl0.jpg)
Reference Aesthetic Outside and In
The proven elegant, clean, and minimal exterior free of any visible screws has received much-needed modernization from Vega, while quietly improving internally for streamlined manufacturing and simplified assembly.
Along with its matte PVD-coated stainless steel weight, Polaris V2’s visuals are designed to withstand the test of time, carrying its elegance forward many decades while blending seamlessly into any environment.
(https://i.imgur.com/IdjegD5.jpg)
To Fulfill Your Desires
Every custom keyboard is different, and Polaris V2 is designed to be different - with multiple plate options, optional hotswap standoffs, and three optional layers of internal foam, you can tune Polaris V2 exactly the way you desire, ranging from anywhere between switch choice tester to dialed-in finalized build.
Every small detail was designed with much care to make Polaris V2 your ideal keyboard, down to the custom-designed screws, custom-designed rubber feet, and accent logo on the rear.
(https://i.imgur.com/d14D0Mw.jpg)
Hassle-Free Yet Extensible
The thin, flex-slotted hotswap PCB comes ready-to-go out of the box with VIA Configurator compatible firmware, requiring no soldering or driver headaches to assemble.
A solderable PCB kit is available for those who prefer to tailor the layout exactly to their preferences, and a much-requested replaceable USB daughterboard aids in extending the lifespan of the board.
(https://i.imgur.com/f990Yqh.jpg)
Preparing For What’s Next
A lot has changed since 2019 when Polaris V1 was announced - the keyboard community has grown exponentially, the world has changed permanently, and keyboard variety has skyrocketed.
We’ve combined both everything we’ve learned as well as brand-new knowledge to create the successor of the board which started our journey. Albeit against high expectations, we’re confident that Polaris V2 will fit in as a faithful member of your keyboard collection both for the present and for the future - whether as your single endgame build or among a family of other boards.
(https://i.imgur.com/RuV6VNX.png)
Specifications
Case weight: ~1.2kg
Plate materials: Aluminum, Polycarbonate
Case top variants: Regular, WKL, Corner Blocker
Case colors: Black, Grey, White, Yellow-Orange, Red, Blue
Dimensions: 296 x 110 x 28mm
Typing angle: 6.5deg
Sale method: To be announced
Price: To be announced
Vendor: TypePlus
Stock configuration: Case + choice of either hotswap PCB + hotswap plate kit or solderable PCB + universal plate kit
Hotswap PCB layout:
(https://i.imgur.com/2CZQUtS.png)
Solderable PCB layouts:
(https://i.imgur.com/ep45ozZ.png)
Post by: ai03 on Tue, 21 December 2021, 17:04:22
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Post by: sub0001 on Tue, 21 December 2021, 17:19:28
that said, echoing those above me re: the engraving. does not fit with the clean look of the case at all, in my opinion.
Post by: ddnomad on Tue, 21 December 2021, 17:21:35
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Post by: 7empest on Tue, 21 December 2021, 17:47:22
Definitely interested in picking one of these up. I agree with Sour, not crazy about the logo on the back. Am I understanding correctly that you’re forcing split backspace in the stock configuration? I guess I get you’re going off survey results but that seems kind of extreme.
I am surprised by this myself. I did not think split backspace would be as popular. This stock hotswap layout is exactly how I use all of my 60% boards with one exception, stepped capslock. I just cant bring myself to use a non-stepped capslock configuration these days, so I will still have to buy the solder pcb.
Post by: santela on Tue, 21 December 2021, 17:47:37
Definitely interested in picking one of these up. I agree with Sour, not crazy about the logo on the back. Am I understanding correctly that you’re forcing split backspace in the stock configuration? I guess I get you’re going off survey results but that seems kind of extreme.
This. Split backspace users seem to be a minority.
Post by: ai03 on Tue, 21 December 2021, 17:52:10
Since it's on the rear entirely out of view from regular use positions, hopefully it'll be one of those things ignored 99.9% of the time.
Am I understanding correctly that you’re forcing split backspace in the stock configuration? I guess I get you’re going off survey results but that seems kind of extreme.Yes; as much as I'm a 2U backspace user myself, I decided to opt for popular choice and maximizing functionality for the default configuration.
Regular backspace is available via the solderable PCB.
Will the available the colors be ano or planning some coats also? Going right to buy or showing protos prior?The yellow-orange will likely end up being via a very fine powdercoat which Kevinplus has tested in person and recommends visually; the white is still being decided between the previous e-coat and the new powdercoat. The rest will be anodized as usual.
Post by: mr_foggy on Tue, 21 December 2021, 17:54:29
best news I've heard today
Post by: brudder on Tue, 21 December 2021, 18:02:23
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Post by: vicious7 on Tue, 21 December 2021, 18:25:11
Okay, Im in...
Post by: heyimpanda on Tue, 21 December 2021, 18:37:25
Regarding the engraving on the rear, I decided to add it knowing that it would yield mixed opinions. The biggest reasons for adding it were being able to differentiate the board from the original V1 without lifting the board off the desk, and that it looked fairly nice in a physical prototype sample. Managed to lose the photo somehow the night before the IC, so I'll post it if I come across it again and remember to do so.
Since it's on the rear entirely out of view from regular use positions, hopefully it'll be one of those things ignored 99.9% of the time.
technically wouldn't the USB port positioning also differentiate the board? I suppose that would be a lot more subtle, but the engraving does kill a lot of it for me unfortunately. Maybe I'll reserve my opinions until you manage to find that photo though, but I am in the group of disliking it.
Post by: dino97 on Tue, 21 December 2021, 18:49:21
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 21 December 2021, 19:08:29
not a big fan of the 'polaris v2' engraving
incredible bait
Post by: brantaniguchi on Tue, 21 December 2021, 19:28:04
If I'm going to enter a GB that is going to take over a year I need to really be into a board. Unfortunately that engraving ain't it.
Post by: Tulesto on Tue, 21 December 2021, 19:34:16
Post by: Draxion on Tue, 21 December 2021, 19:34:58
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Post by: nasp on Tue, 21 December 2021, 20:25:26
Thanks for considering ai03!
Post by: SE7EN_ate_NINE on Tue, 21 December 2021, 20:25:46
I 100% applaud the 7U, split right shift and split backspace on the hotswap as standard though. Switching to stepped caps (or both sockets for both caps) would make it even more perfect, but certainly not a deal breaker.
One last thing...bring back purple!!
Post by: bluuz on Tue, 21 December 2021, 20:28:04
Is split backspace really that more popular? That's a head scratcher.
Post by: bigapplepietart on Tue, 21 December 2021, 20:37:08
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Post by: yuki9609 on Tue, 21 December 2021, 21:18:24
Post by: Techlet on Tue, 21 December 2021, 21:36:44
Feels unnecessary when it's already engraved internally on the weight.
People aren't going to mistake this for anything other than a Polaris when looking at it from the back. And the screwless exterior and center USB port should be more than enough to differentiate this from the v1 Polaris.
Post by: PuddingPug on Tue, 21 December 2021, 21:53:56
Post by: Tree_ on Tue, 21 December 2021, 22:17:07
Not a fan of split backspace being the default.
Not a fan of the fact that there's a rose gold render shown but it's not an available colour.
Other than that I love everything about this.
Post by: santela on Tue, 21 December 2021, 22:25:44
The Polaris is everything the Vega is, except for the engraving. It is really unfortunate as it cheapens the board.
Post by: origintypes on Tue, 21 December 2021, 22:41:36
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Post by: ShadeDream on Tue, 21 December 2021, 23:20:38
Post by: geaktior on Tue, 21 December 2021, 23:33:45
But I hope the there're screws more close to the four corners of the board, the current screw location makes me feeling a bit uncomfortable.
Post by: alspdx on Tue, 21 December 2021, 23:53:22
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Post by: darthcapn on Wed, 22 December 2021, 01:20:55
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Post by: jrel on Wed, 22 December 2021, 01:45:50
Two points:
- back engraving is not great
- split backspace for HS is a nono
Post by: Delecomp on Wed, 22 December 2021, 01:49:33
Post by: Shutter_Shock on Wed, 22 December 2021, 01:55:23
I’ll use this opportunity to also say I look forward to what I hope is an inevitable Vega V2 because while I am liable to buy this, I will absolutely grab a Vega V2.
Post by: atkins on Wed, 22 December 2021, 02:28:35
Post by: surplusofchairs on Wed, 22 December 2021, 03:09:31
back engraving.. ehhh.
Post by: BouncyChillups on Wed, 22 December 2021, 03:39:02
Kinda seems to be counter-intuitive, since I'm guessing split bs is used mostly by enthusiasts and the same target group doesnt really use hotswap.
Glad to see a daughterboard though, would've been really nice on the Vega as well.
Post by: waone567 on Wed, 22 December 2021, 04:11:42
Post by: Mecxs on Wed, 22 December 2021, 04:36:57
That said, if the extra efficiency / cost saving from this means that this board can be delivered at a fantastic price, I'm willing to accept split backspace.
Would also definitely prefer the rear engraving be removed, or at least reduced drastically in its prominence.
Post by: Deaven on Wed, 22 December 2021, 04:42:21
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Post by: _PixelNinja on Wed, 22 December 2021, 05:25:47
Finally, please consider regional vendor proxies.
Post by: ai03 on Wed, 22 December 2021, 06:14:20
If you are potentially interested in Polaris V2, please submit the form below to vote for your preferred options as soon as possible.
https://forms.gle/oyqSsFA8ro86LBt27 (https://forms.gle/oyqSsFA8ro86LBt27)
Post by: touch on Wed, 22 December 2021, 06:31:46
Post by: knbbl on Wed, 22 December 2021, 07:07:41
I strongly dislike forcing hotswap as base and requiring purchase of extra PCB and plate for soldered, as opposed to offering either as an option.
this
Post by: unknownh on Wed, 22 December 2021, 07:11:31
Regarding the engraving on the rear, I decided to add it knowing that it would yield mixed opinions. The biggest reasons for adding it were being able to differentiate the board from the original V1 without lifting the board off the desk, and that it looked fairly nice in a physical prototype sample. Managed to lose the photo somehow the night before the IC, so I'll post it if I come across it again and remember to do so.
Since it's on the rear entirely out of view from regular use positions, hopefully it'll be one of those things ignored 99.9% of the time.
Not sure if anyone has suggested this already or not but perhaps a less intrusive logo like the circular ai03 logo, could be used on the back to still be able to aid in the differentiation between v1 and v2 in the same place?
Post by: rookb on Wed, 22 December 2021, 07:17:35
Post by: ale210 on Wed, 22 December 2021, 07:45:28
I don't like the fact im forced into buying another pcb if I want to solder, please add an option for solderable or hotswap pcb
+1
Post by: jonathanraime67 on Wed, 22 December 2021, 08:53:24
Post by: elongatedmusk on Wed, 22 December 2021, 09:53:07
I don't like the fact im forced into buying another pcb if I want to solder, please add an option for solderable or hotswap pcb^
Post by: mmayhem17 on Wed, 22 December 2021, 10:41:33
I don't like the fact im forced into buying another pcb if I want to solder, please add an option for solderable or hotswap pcbthis
Post by: Fraaaan on Wed, 22 December 2021, 11:20:24
I don't like the fact im forced into buying another pcb if I want to solder, please add an option for solderable or hotswap pcb
I agree with roo. +1
Post by: TRIGOZEN x TAO on Wed, 22 December 2021, 11:22:05
Would be better without the ugly 'Polaris v2' logo at the USB port.
Post by: cryptojuice on Wed, 22 December 2021, 11:48:04
Post by: surplusofchairs on Wed, 22 December 2021, 12:21:54
Looks good, though I'm not a fan of the Vendor, will have to pass.
what changed? the vendor owner co-created the board, along with the vega in your signature
Post by: crs on Wed, 22 December 2021, 12:31:19
1. Definitely a default 2U Backspace for HS. I'd imagine there's a large overlap of beginner customers who don't have a soldering iron, and are used to 2U.
2. I would prefer no engraving, but I understand the desire to have one (for resale and keeping people from passing this off as a V1). I would maybe recommend an internal engraving on the top/bottom case instead. Or just cleaning up the "Polaris V2" to just "V2" or something else.
3. I don't mean to be one of those guys (even though I am), but it would be awesome to see the option of anti-static PE foam, so builders can experiment. Of course, if that's not the desired sound signature of the designer, it makes sense to not include it.
4. Lastly, since the weight is SS, I think it'd be awesome to see a clear coated/mirror coated version as well. Of course, price should be the main consideration when creating this stuff.
Post by: nathanchere on Wed, 22 December 2021, 12:39:37
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Post by: cryptojuice on Wed, 22 December 2021, 14:02:41
Looks good, though I'm not a fan of the Vendor, will have to pass.
what changed? the vendor owner co-created the board, along with the vega in your signature
I still haven't received the Vega in my signature, hence the "Soon TM". I understand delays with manufacturing and other mishaps out of the vendor's control, it is a group buy after all, but the communication around the whole process was lacking.
Post by: Adelscott on Wed, 22 December 2021, 14:14:08
I don't like the fact im forced into buying another pcb if I want to solder, please add an option for solderable or hotswap pcb
this
Post by: joshuarubin on Wed, 22 December 2021, 14:33:58
Post by: dokken on Wed, 22 December 2021, 15:43:03
Post by: Stev!e on Wed, 22 December 2021, 18:57:26
Post by: ai03 on Wed, 22 December 2021, 21:07:14
- Logo: Roughly 75% dislike logo, 25% like logo.
- Backspace: It's been constantly jittering around roughly 50:50, with neither side ever going over 55% even after so many votes.
I am currently discussing things with Kevinplus to choose how to move forward; some ideal solutions are not possible due to circumstances surrounding the project, but we'll try our best to pick a path better than the one currently in place.
Post by: alwaysbless on Thu, 23 December 2021, 00:10:19
Post by: nullinasou on Thu, 23 December 2021, 04:50:07
please consider offering both options or make solder pcb default for the sake of compatibility :)
Post by: mr_fro2000 on Thu, 23 December 2021, 05:04:17
Looks good, though I'm not a fan of the Vendor, will have to pass.
what changed? the vendor owner co-created the board, along with the vega in your signature
I still haven't received the Vega in my signature, hence the "Soon TM". I understand delays with manufacturing and other mishaps out of the vendor's control, it is a group buy after all, but the communication around the whole process was lacking.
Personally I think the Vega group buy has been handled pretty well. Ai03 himself has been active in the discord and gives 'mini-updates' in the discussion channel while saving big updates for the update channel. One thing to keep in mind is that Vega could very well be the biggest group buy in our hobby's history... if they start shipping out in the next few weeks, I'd say a 13-14 month fulfillment window for the size of the gb would be appropriate.
As far as I can tell, order edits have been a huge pain, esp given the size of the gb. My guess is that the commitment to hotswap as a default is a result of this. That being said, personally I always buy 2 pcbs anyway so getting an extra as a hotswap wouldn't be the end of the world regardless.
Post by: santela on Thu, 23 December 2021, 05:18:37
Looks good, though I'm not a fan of the Vendor, will have to pass.
what changed? the vendor owner co-created the board, along with the vega in your signature
I still haven't received the Vega in my signature, hence the "Soon TM". I understand delays with manufacturing and other mishaps out of the vendor's control, it is a group buy after all, but the communication around the whole process was lacking.
Personally I think the Vega group buy has been handled pretty well. Ai03 himself has been active in the discord and gives 'mini-updates' in the discussion channel while saving big updates for the update channel. One thing to keep in mind is that Vega could very well be the biggest group buy in our hobby's history... if they start shipping out in the next few weeks, I'd say a 13-14 month fulfillment window for the size of the gb would be appropriate.
As far as I can tell, order edits have been a huge pain, esp given the size of the gb. My guess is that the commitment to hotswap as a default is a result of this. That being said, personally I always buy 2 pcbs anyway so getting an extra as a hotswap wouldn't be the end of the world regardless.
The Chinese government also had a power limit on factories the past few months, which may partially contribute to the delays.
Post by: DeMechanica on Thu, 23 December 2021, 11:11:58
Post by: Jefff on Thu, 23 December 2021, 18:12:41
proven elegant, clean, and minimal exterior
Post by: nathanchere on Thu, 23 December 2021, 23:13:30
Regarding soldered layouts, why the huge backwards step in split space layout support? looks like 3u + 1u + 3u which is easily the least used and least kit supported of all. Why not the 2.75 + 1.25. 2.25 of last time like most split space layouts and which supports a tonne more key sets?
No comments on this?
Post by: beekey on Fri, 24 December 2021, 00:21:59
Post by: santela on Fri, 24 December 2021, 02:03:23
Regarding soldered layouts, why the huge backwards step in split space layout support? looks like 3u + 1u + 3u which is easily the least used and least kit supported of all. Why not the 2.75 + 1.25. 2.25 of last time like most split space layouts and which supports a tonne more key sets?
No comments on this?
I'm gonna take a guess, gok and ai03 are friends and they are both trying to popularize the 3u spacebars. I think they are doing pretty well on that mission as well, most gmk GBs now come with 3u spacebar kits.
Post by: heyimpanda on Fri, 24 December 2021, 03:30:46
Will V2 PCB work in V1 case?
Since v2 PCB requires a daughterboard, no
Post by: origintypes on Fri, 24 December 2021, 04:24:52
I don't like the fact im forced into buying another pcb if I want to solder, please add an option for solderable or hotswap pcbAgree with this, just give a fair option to buyers.
Post by: sirieous on Fri, 24 December 2021, 12:44:27
Post by: poyenc on Fri, 24 December 2021, 15:13:10
Post by: ai03 on Sat, 25 December 2021, 04:29:16
- Roughly 75% disliked the logo, so there will be units produced with no logo.
- Since there was still a sizable number of people who want the logoed units, we will be offering both logoed and non-logoed units this time around with a choice during purchase.
- After spending considerable time with negligible percentage differences, the backspace poll ended up at 55% preferring 2U and 45% preferring split backspace.
- Due to this, the hotswap PCB will be converted to 2U backspace default, but with spots available where users can solder on hotswap sockets to convert the PCB into split backspace layout. The required sockets will be included in the package.
- Note that due to the thin PCB, it is impossible to install 2U backspace stabilizers once the split backspace sockets are installed, so this is a one-way conversion. In theory the sockets can be de-soldered, but it carries so much risk that I won't recommend it (This is also the reason why we're not offering the "both-hotswap" style seen on other typical thickness PCBs.)
- With the amount of requests asking for solderable PCBs in base kit, we have decided to offer base kits in both hotswap PCB + fixed plate and solderable PCB + universal plate configurations.
- However, along with this change we will no longer be offering soldering addon kits.
Also to reply:
Regarding soldered layouts, why the huge backwards step in split space layout support? looks like 3u + 1u + 3u which is easily the least used and least kit supported of all. Why not the 2.75 + 1.25. 2.25 of last time like most split space layouts and which supports a tonne more key sets?Because
- It overlays perfectly with 7U and yields far less acoustic implications than 2.75/2.25 due to far less excess cutouts, especially when 6.25 bottom row has been dropped altogether
- I like how it looks and personally prefer it over 2.75/2.25
- 2.25/2.75 places far more restrictions on internal case screw positions, making the case extremely fragile and unfit for use
You are free to create your own PCB and plate based on the to-be-provided PCB outline and plate data if wanting such options, but I cannot guarantee the board's performance or compatibility.
Post by: Mecxs on Sat, 25 December 2021, 05:44:25
Survey Results and Outcome
- Roughly 75% disliked the logo, so there will be units produced with no logo.
- Since there was still a sizable number of people who want the logoed units, we will be offering both logoed and non-logoed units this time around with a choice during purchase.
- After spending considerable time with negligible percentage differences, the backspace poll ended up at 55% preferring 2U and 45% preferring split backspace.
- Due to this, the hotswap PCB will be converted to 2U backspace default, but with spots available where users can solder on hotswap sockets to convert the PCB into split backspace layout. The required sockets will be included in the package.
- Note that due to the thin PCB, it is impossible to install 2U backspace stabilizers once the split backspace sockets are installed, so this is a one-way conversion. In theory the sockets can be de-soldered, but it carries so much risk that I won't recommend it (This is also the reason why we're not offering the "both-hotswap" style seen on other typical thickness PCBs.)
- With the amount of requests asking for solderable PCBs in base kit, we have decided to offer base kits in both hotswap PCB + fixed plate and solderable PCB + universal plate configurations.
- However, along with this change we will no longer be offering soldering addon kits.
Love those changes! Very excited for this GB.
Post by: MIGHTY CHICKEN on Sat, 25 December 2021, 14:34:13
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Post by: Tree_ on Sun, 26 December 2021, 17:32:24
What does it mean that solderable add on kits won’t be offered? Can I not purchase a spare solderable pcb?Obviously ai03 would need to confirm, but I'm reading this as potentially meaning the only way you can get a solderable PCB is with the solder base kit. And that the assumption is then that only hotswap PCB's will be offered as an addon.
Post by: belerian on Sun, 26 December 2021, 17:33:53
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 26 December 2021, 19:37:46
I'm interested in the split-space option for the solderable PCB. The spacebars look like it's been split into 3U-1U-3U. Is this correct? Does anyone know if it's common for 2 3U keys to be offered normally in keycap kits?
it's becoming more common, but it's definitely not the most common type currently. i like 275/125/225, because im used to it, and because it also works with alice bars, but ai03 explained above that he prefers this way and frankly that's reason enough for me to be satisfied.
Post by: conternecticus on Mon, 27 December 2021, 05:28:07
Are color options set in place or is there a possibility to consider grey blue a color option? I think the color fits the style of the board.
Post by: Vigrith on Mon, 27 December 2021, 10:02:09
Post by: lofi_network on Mon, 27 December 2021, 12:13:25
I cannot possibly complain after such overwhelmingly positive and smart decisions
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I would just like to echo this sentiment, I really appreciate the thoughtful and smart decisions proposed for moving forward as they seem fair for all parties, whatever their preference.
One thing I think could be elaborated on further to clear up confusion would be the comment about no solder add on option - can we get some clarification on whether we’ll be able to order solder and/or hot swap extras so we can have spares?
Post by: LMarci on Mon, 27 December 2021, 17:08:22
Post by: nathanchere on Wed, 29 December 2021, 05:20:24
I'm interested in the split-space option for the solderable PCB. The spacebars look like it's been split into 3U-1U-3U. Is this correct? Does anyone know if it's common for 2 3U keys to be offered normally in keycap kits?
It's not totally unheard of but no, it's definitely not common. Of all the split space sets I own, the only one I have two 3u space bars for is SA Pulse and that's only because it included ones in two different colours. I looked over some of the sets I've bought which haven't arrived yet and it looks like a few KAT spacebar kits have dual 3u bars included but not all, and none of the GMK, SA or MT3 kits I'm still waiting on include dual 3u support. Split spacebar options area already limited enough as it is. While I can appreciate some of the reasons posted above for limiting split space support to dual 3u bars, it does rule me out of Polaris v2.
Post by: nasp on Fri, 31 December 2021, 13:51:43
I'm interested in the split-space option for the solderable PCB. The spacebars look like it's been split into 3U-1U-3U. Is this correct? Does anyone know if it's common for 2 3U keys to be offered normally in keycap kits?
It's not totally unheard of but no, it's definitely not common. Of all the split space sets I own, the only one I have two 3u space bars for is SA Pulse and that's only because it included ones in two different colours. I looked over some of the sets I've bought which haven't arrived yet and it looks like a few KAT spacebar kits have dual 3u bars included but not all, and none of the GMK, SA or MT3 kits I'm still waiting on include dual 3u support. Split spacebar options area already limited enough as it is. While I can appreciate some of the reasons posted above for limiting split space support to dual 3u bars, it does rule me out of Polaris v2.
I think you are being a bit hyperbolic here. Just IMO
Post by: kajahtaa on Sun, 02 January 2022, 13:27:00
Looking at the simpleja R2 kitting before throwing a tanty
Post by: nathanchere on Mon, 03 January 2022, 07:31:12
In that case I don't think you understand what 'hyperbolic' means.I'm interested in the split-space option for the solderable PCB. The spacebars look like it's been split into 3U-1U-3U. Is this correct? Does anyone know if it's common for 2 3U keys to be offered normally in keycap kits?
It's not totally unheard of but no, it's definitely not common. Of all the split space sets I own, the only one I have two 3u space bars for is SA Pulse and that's only because it included ones in two different colours. I looked over some of the sets I've bought which haven't arrived yet and it looks like a few KAT spacebar kits have dual 3u bars included but not all, and none of the GMK, SA or MT3 kits I'm still waiting on include dual 3u support. Split spacebar options area already limited enough as it is. While I can appreciate some of the reasons posted above for limiting split space support to dual 3u bars, it does rule me out of Polaris v2.
I think you are being a bit hyperbolic here. Just IMO
Post by: rossi94 on Wed, 05 January 2022, 01:23:29
Will the quantity be limited? (Will the group buy sell out in minutes?)
Post by: Mecxs on Wed, 05 January 2022, 03:25:57
Will the quantity be limited? (Will the group buy sell out in minutes?)
The sales format (ie whether it will be limited or unlimited, etc) is still being decided. Ai03 is a veteran GB runner with experience running very large buys, but the hobby's also been growing in absolute leaps and bounds, so there's a chance it could really go either way I think.
Post by: SpringWind on Wed, 05 January 2022, 08:49:24
I can't wait GB, I will definitely join.
Post by: rossi94 on Wed, 05 January 2022, 09:57:42
Will the quantity be limited? (Will the group buy sell out in minutes?)
The sales format (ie whether it will be limited or unlimited, etc) is still being decided. Ai03 is a veteran GB runner with experience running very large buys, but the hobby's also been growing in absolute leaps and bounds, so there's a chance it could really go either way I think.
We will see, let's hope shipping container, copper and substrate / film prices go back to normal. Maybe that will allow them to hit a price point close to the initial 265$ for V1.
Post by: hover0423 on Wed, 05 January 2022, 10:46:42
There is db hole on the weight. Feels like that would add machining cost as well.
Will the quantity be limited? (Will the group buy sell out in minutes?)
The sales format (ie whether it will be limited or unlimited, etc) is still being decided. Ai03 is a veteran GB runner with experience running very large buys, but the hobby's also been growing in absolute leaps and bounds, so there's a chance it could really go either way I think.
We will see, let's hope shipping container, copper and substrate / film prices go back to normal. Maybe that will allow them to hit a price point close to the initial 265$ for V1.
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Loud and proud baby.
Post by: heyimpanda on Fri, 28 January 2022, 15:02:38
Compatibility Question: Will the V2 plates and/or PCBs be compatible with V1 case?
PCBs won't be since they'll likely require a daughterboard.
I wouldn't expect the plates to either because those have to be changed to account for the screwless design, but the overall tab sizes might remain the same?
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Post by: oilpapers on Tue, 08 February 2022, 15:00:55
What does it mean that solderable add on kits won’t be offered? Can I not purchase a spare solderable pcb?Obviously ai03 would need to confirm, but I'm reading this as potentially meaning the only way you can get a solderable PCB is with the solder base kit. And that the assumption is then that only hotswap PCB's will be offered as an addon.
solder people ruin it again, 🙄default hotswap with optional solder extra was way better
Post by: Keeblet_257 on Thu, 10 February 2022, 10:09:18
just milllmax your PCB or add 10-20$ more for the hotswap btw it is not wayyyyyy better.What does it mean that solderable add on kits won’t be offered? Can I not purchase a spare solderable pcb?Obviously ai03 would need to confirm, but I'm reading this as potentially meaning the only way you can get a solderable PCB is with the solder base kit. And that the assumption is then that only hotswap PCB's will be offered as an addon.
solder people ruin it again, 🙄default hotswap with optional solder extra was way better
let me tell you one thing it isnt waaaaayyyyy better.
Most hs boards dont have support for many layouts without having to make some switches north facing. I'd bet that you probably wont change your switches on a regular basis and only took advantage of it druing the first assembly.
imagine flaming solder people in this hobby
Post by: Jewpac Shakur on Thu, 10 February 2022, 18:42:53
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Post by: mr_foggy on Fri, 04 March 2022, 05:57:04
What does it mean that solderable add on kits won’t be offered? Can I not purchase a spare solderable pcb?Obviously ai03 would need to confirm, but I'm reading this as potentially meaning the only way you can get a solderable PCB is with the solder base kit. And that the assumption is then that only hotswap PCB's will be offered as an addon.
solder people ruin it again, 🙄default hotswap with optional solder extra was way better
just buy the hotswap addon and sell the solder boards to the heaps of solder NPCs that will bork theirs and their backups.
Post by: Botty212 on Tue, 08 March 2022, 02:48:21
might be my bad here but I am pretty sure thatWhat does it mean that solderable add on kits won’t be offered? Can I not purchase a spare solderable pcb?Obviously ai03 would need to confirm, but I'm reading this as potentially meaning the only way you can get a solderable PCB is with the solder base kit. And that the assumption is then that only hotswap PCB's will be offered as an addon.
solder people ruin it again,default hotswap with optional solder extra was way better
just buy the hotswap addon and sell the solder boards to the heaps of solder NPCs that will bork theirs and their backups.
"Stock configuration: Case + choice of either hotswap PCB + hotswap plate kit or solderable PCB + universal plate kit" means that hs plebs can't read/dont read and that you can choose between a HS or solder PCB without getting forced to buy what you dont want.
I might be wrong but I am pretty sure you guys can't read and are starting to complain about solder because you dont have a basic skill like soldering in this hobby
Post by: mr_foggy on Tue, 08 March 2022, 05:27:43
I might be wrong but I am pretty sure you guys can't read and are starting to complain about solder because you dont have a basic skill like soldering in this hobby
I personally do, most of my boards are soldered, you're barking up the wrongest tree. I just don't get being butthurt about having options to the point of turning it into a competition. I'll probably not give the slightest of ****s and buy both kinds of pcb and be done with it.
Post by: tarrabah on Sun, 13 March 2022, 00:01:10
Post by: fatalruin on Fri, 18 March 2022, 07:43:32
Back engraving -> cheesy kbdfans move
Forced split BS on HS -> pretentious rama move
Board otherwise -> gimme
Post by: tarrabah on Mon, 21 March 2022, 00:53:23
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Post by: BasedCoper on Wed, 27 April 2022, 23:10:53
The Vega is such a classy board with its seamless screwless design and simple yet classic aesthetics.
The Polaris is everything the Vega is, except for the engraving. It is really unfortunate as it cheapens the board.
He's said you don't need to have it so it's fixed now.
Post by: ABlazinBlueToe on Fri, 29 April 2022, 14:29:13
The Vega is such a classy board with its seamless screwless design and simple yet classic aesthetics.
The Polaris is everything the Vega is, except for the engraving. It is really unfortunate as it cheapens the board.
He's said you don't need to have it. No point in being upset.
That was not the case when it was originally posted.
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Post by: syberghost on Mon, 06 June 2022, 06:42:56
give info on gb?
He's waiting until Vega finishes shipping, so as not to be in the middle of a new GB while the old one is completing much-delayed shipping.
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I never found a v1 aftermarket in wkl and i hoped there will be one on v2 :(
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