1.3 USD per switch weirdchamp
no, i can one tactile, clicky, and linear for less than a zeal switch.
Box jade: 34 cents
Jwick black T1- 25cents
Jwick black linear 25 cents
disregarding shipping from different vendors
Another Novelkeys only example
Cherry black 38 cents
Box jade 34 cents
Box royal 50 cents
Total: 1.22 cents 8 cents cheaper may seem very little upfront but you get 3 switch instead of 1
One more from Paramountkeeb
Jwick yellow,red gat milky pro yellow and red, and jwick black tactile or jwick black linear I can average all of these to 25 cents each.
While there is no clicky i could just get these non overpriced decent linear/tactiles for a fraction of the cost
1.30 is 520% of 25 btw just to let yall know .
Common arguments
-Youre paying for the tech and thoughts put into this switch.
Dont care dont want this no one asked for it
-Its innovation
It is but in the wrong direction and again who asked for it? No one did.
-zeal so good
No its not its overpriced
-zeal is Canadian
So iskumamechpolartypes and we all know what they do ( if you don't they scam )
- its expensive to produce
no its not, its China
This is almost like Rama paying a premium for a product that wasn't asked for or needed
- this takes less space
i dont have anything to say about this since this is true
I have a personal question will other switch manus be able to use this "patent pending" technology if not , whats the point of this "innovation" if others cannot use this and its only exclusive to Zeal.
Zeal, would it be possible to get a sound test with these in a board?
Clickiez sound demo below. We'll work on full typing video in the New Years.
Zeal, would it be possible to get a sound test with these in a board?Clickiez sound demo below. We'll work on full typing video in the New Years.
Damn this hobby, people literally addicted to typing and didn't even bother to read......
no, i can one tactile, clicky, and linear for less than a zeal switch.
Box jade: 34 cents
Jwick black T1- 25cents
Jwick black linear 25 cents
disregarding shipping from different vendors
Another Novelkeys only example
Cherry black 38 cents
Box jade 34 cents
Box royal 50 cents
Total: 1.22 cents 8 cents cheaper may seem very little upfront but you get 3 switch instead of 1
One more from Paramountkeeb
Jwick yellow,red gat milky pro yellow and red, and jwick black tactile or jwick black linear I can average all of these to 25 cents each.
While there is no clicky i could just get these non overpriced decent linear/tactiles for a fraction of the cost
1.30 is 520% of 25 btw just to let yall know .
Common arguments
-Youre paying for the tech and thoughts put into this switch.
Dont care dont want this no one asked for it
-Its innovation
It is but in the wrong direction and again who asked for it? No one did.
-zeal so good
No its not its overpriced
-zeal is Canadian
So iskumamechpolartypes and we all know what they do ( if you don't they scam )
- its expensive to produce
no its not, its China
This is almost like Rama paying a premium for a product that wasn't asked for or needed
- this takes less space
i dont have anything to say about this since this is true
I have a personal question will other switch manus be able to use this "patent pending" technology if not , whats the point of this "innovation" if others cannot use this and its only exclusive to Zeal.
I have absolutely asked for someone to put a Alps style tactile leaf in an MX compatible housing
Seems premature to put these out for sale without any real information.
Also...anyone else thinks it's nonsensical to buy super expensive switches that can switch between styles? At this price point, why not just buy separate switches?
Seems premature to put these out for sale without any real information.
Also...anyone else thinks it's nonsensical to buy super expensive switches that can switch between styles? At this price point, why not just buy separate switches?
The ability to linearize them makes sense, sense you're just removing the leaf spring. I'm interested to know how it switches between clicky and tactile though. This line "this switch can be transformed from Clicky to Ultra High Tactile (think BKE level, but even more extreme) to super smooth Linear switch modes by simply moving the secondary switch leaf within the housing." gives me the impression that the leaf spring is formed in a certain way such that deepening on its orientation in the housing, it is either free to move or restrained. If so, adding an additional stamping shouldn't be expensive.
Seems premature to put these out for sale without any real information.
Also...anyone else thinks it's nonsensical to buy super expensive switches that can switch between styles? At this price point, why not just buy separate switches?
The ability to linearize them makes sense, sense you're just removing the leaf spring. I'm interested to know how it switches between clicky and tactile though. This line "this switch can be transformed from Clicky to Ultra High Tactile (think BKE level, but even more extreme) to super smooth Linear switch modes by simply moving the secondary switch leaf within the housing." gives me the impression that the leaf spring is formed in a certain way such that deepening on its orientation in the housing, it is either free to move or restrained. If so, adding an additional stamping shouldn't be expensive.
It still doesn't make sense. Just go buy one of the many amazing linear switches if you want a linear switching.
The idea of a converting switch doesn't make sense when you have to desolder a switch to change it.
I guess if someone just absolutely has zero storage space so they need to save space by not having extra switches lying around, maybe this makes sense.
yes, these are expensive, but at least there's finally an actual new (well, new to mx) design change that meaningfully changes the typing experience and not just another switch re-color/new manu. very interested in the full typing test and eventually testing these outscroll up and refer to my original wall of text
so 100g Cliekiez would be more tactile than Zealios v2 78s?
remember the days when zeal was loved. how times have changed. thanks jwk, we owe ya
remember the days when zeal was loved. how times have changed. thanks jwk, we owe ya
Zeal is a good guy, I still buy his products. The Pearlios are of interest to me.
A lot of people’s barometer for someone being a “good guy” in this hobby is solely based on whether that person is giving them a “good deal” according to their interpretation. If they aren’t getting a “good deal” people get nasty quick.
remember the days when zeal was loved. how times have changed. thanks jwk, we owe ya
Zeal is a good guy, I still buy his products. The Pearlios are of interest to me.
A lot of people’s barometer for someone being a “good guy” in this hobby is solely based on whether that person is giving them a “good deal” according to their interpretation. If they aren’t getting a “good deal” people get nasty quick.
remember the days when zeal was loved. how times have changed. thanks jwk, we owe ya
Zeal is a good guy, I still buy his products. The Pearlios are of interest to me.
A lot of people’s barometer for someone being a “good guy” in this hobby is solely based on whether that person is giving them a “good deal” according to their interpretation. If they aren’t getting a “good deal” people get nasty quick.
such a nice guy, in this hobby out of real love, not to make money or anything
remember the days when zeal was loved. how times have changed. thanks jwk, we owe ya
Zeal is a good guy, I still buy his products. The Pearlios are of interest to me.
A lot of people’s barometer for someone being a “good guy” in this hobby is solely based on whether that person is giving them a “good deal” according to their interpretation. If they aren’t getting a “good deal” people get nasty quick.
such a nice guy, in this hobby out of real love, not to make money or anything
remember the days when zeal was loved. how times have changed. thanks jwk, we owe ya
Zeal is a good guy, I still buy his products. The Pearlios are of interest to me.
A lot of people’s barometer for someone being a “good guy” in this hobby is solely based on whether that person is giving them a “good deal” according to their interpretation. If they aren’t getting a “good deal” people get nasty quick.
such a nice guy, in this hobby out of real love, not to make money or anything
This is a dumb take. Making **** costs money. There isn't a single vendor doing anything solely out of the good of their heart. Maybe partly, but money is always going to be an incentive. People need to eat and there's nothing wrong with that. I don't agree with the pricing either so I won't be buying but don't act entitled to someone else's work just because they are charging premium. Y'all are getting fleeced worse on cherry stabs and daughterboards more than these switches lmao.MoreShow Image(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5e/ee/9e/5eee9e3c25e56b95bf15a550b5ddfe82.jpg)
remember the days when zeal was loved. how times have changed. thanks jwk, we owe ya
Zeal is a good guy, I still buy his products. The Pearlios are of interest to me.
A lot of people’s barometer for someone being a “good guy” in this hobby is solely based on whether that person is giving them a “good deal” according to their interpretation. If they aren’t getting a “good deal” people get nasty quick.
such a nice guy, in this hobby out of real love, not to make money or anything
This is a dumb take. Making **** costs money. There isn't a single vendor doing anything solely out of the good of their heart. Maybe partly, but money is always going to be an incentive. People need to eat and there's nothing wrong with that. I don't agree with the pricing either so I won't be buying but don't act entitled to someone else's work just because they are charging premium. Y'all are getting fleeced worse on cherry stabs and daughterboards more than these switches lmao.MoreShow Image(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5e/ee/9e/5eee9e3c25e56b95bf15a550b5ddfe82.jpg)
remember the days when zeal was loved. how times have changed. thanks jwk, we owe ya
Zeal is a good guy, I still buy his products. The Pearlios are of interest to me.
A lot of people’s barometer for someone being a “good guy” in this hobby is solely based on whether that person is giving them a “good deal” according to their interpretation. If they aren’t getting a “good deal” people get nasty quick.
such a nice guy, in this hobby out of real love, not to make money or anything
This is a dumb take. Making **** costs money. There isn't a single vendor doing anything solely out of the good of their heart. Maybe partly, but money is always going to be an incentive. People need to eat and there's nothing wrong with that. I don't agree with the pricing either so I won't be buying but don't act entitled to someone else's work just because they are charging premium. Y'all are getting fleeced worse on cherry stabs and daughterboards more than these switches lmao.MoreShow Image(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5e/ee/9e/5eee9e3c25e56b95bf15a550b5ddfe82.jpg)
the take isnt that hes supposed to give away switches for free. its that hes charging a ridiculous amount in the current market and his reputation or "niceness" shouldnt change that. no one said he cant eat or isnt allowed to make money. i just dont pretend hes doing anyone a favor because hes a nice guy with these switches lol.
Who knows how these will actually feel in hand, maybe they wont be worth it all, but it's bizarre to see people completely write off a switch as being too expensive while spending more money on hundreds on keycaps, or $80 on a USB cable, $60 an a single (novelty) keycap, or $400 on a board with the latest meme mounting method, or...
Who knows how these will actually feel in hand, maybe they wont be worth it all, but it's bizarre to see people completely write off a switch as being too expensive while spending more money on hundreds on keycaps, or $80 on a USB cable, $60 an a single (novelty) keycap, or $400 on a board with the latest meme mounting method, or...
Point taken-- we don't know how they feel. But there is a framework of prices now. We know we can get decent clicky switches in the 30-50 cent range. So if you bring a new product to market at $1.30, you've got some explaining to do.
We'd say the same thing if you said "here's a $4,000 cell phone", or "here's a $350 keycap set."
Switches are also an odd market because in many cases it's invisible. It's the component which is mostly for you. You can't tell from a photo or casual inspection if my board has $1.30 switches or 13-cent ones, so it has little street-cred factor the way a fancy cable or bag of artisans does.
Have you tried Alps/Matias? There's a different feel, and it's pretty affordable if you stick to Matias, but the ecosystem is a mess. Keycap choices are essentially Tai-Hao and one all-blank XDA profile set, and many enthusiast boards aren't built to fit them.
People are offended because
Complaining about prices on things you don't have to buy. Seriously, go buy whatever it is you think is so much better. No need to crap on this and act like Zeal pricing has ever been considered anything but premium. There are many alternatives if you don't want to buy this. Looking forward to buying some myself, I'll support the premium for the time and effort that went into this.
what's weirdchamp?
In the past Zeal switches haven’t needed to be modded.
In the past Zeal switches haven’t needed to be modded.
wat
People are offended because times have changed and there is a ton more competition in the market. Charging $1.30 a switch is unquestionably expensive.For starters there's no competition with click leaf designs. The only interesting clickies that are compatible with MX form factor are the Kailh Box spring bar switches. But a click leaf is yet another different sound and feeling and indeed Alps are really good, but difficult to integrate in modern custom keyboards, much more pricey than those Zeal switches !
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Zeal's new switches DO have some innovative features that cannot be found in current switches and for that, one needs to understand that it will be more expensive. But again, at the end of the day, it better damn well be the best switch out there.
what's weirdchamp?
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People are offended because times have changed and there is a ton more competition in the market. Charging $1.30 a switch is unquestionably expensive.For starters there's no competition with click leaf designs. The only interesting clickies that are compatible with MX form factor are the Kailh Box spring bar switches. But a click leaf is yet another different sound and feeling and indeed Alps are really good, but difficult to integrate in modern custom keyboards, much more pricey than those Zeal switches !
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Zeal's new switches DO have some innovative features that cannot be found in current switches and for that, one needs to understand that it will be more expensive. But again, at the end of the day, it better damn well be the best switch out there.
I have absolutely asked for someone to put a Alps style tactile leaf in an MX compatible housing
yes, these are expensive, but at least there's finally an actual new (well, new to mx) design change that meaningfully changes the typing experience and not just another switch re-color/new manu. very interested in the full typing test and eventually testing these out
I have absolutely asked for someone to put a Alps style tactile leaf in an MX compatible housing
Look up Pro World MX clones.yes, these are expensive, but at least there's finally an actual new (well, new to mx) design change that meaningfully changes the typing experience and not just another switch re-color/new manu. very interested in the full typing test and eventually testing these out
Not really so new but hey I guess it will get more traction than the original switch(Pro World) is very hard to find.
you guys
Let me see if I have this right. A switch that costs between two and three times as much as most switches just because it can transform into any of the three switch types... but if you DO transform it into any other type (its main selling point) the warranty is void?
The website doesn't state that opening them voids the warranty, it states that if you **** them up by opening them it voids the warranty.
The website doesn't state that opening them voids the warranty, it states that if you **** them up by opening them it voids the warranty.
Fair enough. Maybe this is just something only those who are used to, and want Alps style switches, with MX compatibility then. As I've never used Alps switches I just don't think this is something that I will ever appreciate.
If you don't chase the legends of ancient switches, Matias switches are a sevicable clicky at 30 cents each in quantity of 200. I would not recommend ua-Jie from expereince. Tai-Hao or Matias cap sets are cheap. The drawback isn't cost, it's limited choice.
Let me see if I have this right. A switch that costs between two and three times as much as most switches just because it can transform into any of the three switch types... but if you DO transform it into any other type (its main selling point) the warranty is void?
Can't wait for the clones tbh. If Zeal's pending patent only covers being able to switch the position of the leaf, then it seems like a nobrainer for JWK and friends to fire up the photocopiers.
The Clickiez seem interesting, I am actually considering buying them to try them as tactiles, because I can't stand clickies, the price is the only thing stopping me. The other 2 switches are a hard pass for me, so freaking expensive when you can get two similar switches from another manufacturer for that price. But it goes on brand with what Zeal has on the page, so I guess it's OK as I am not the target public.
my 2 cents…
Clickiez should have been just extreme tactiles.
I've never used Alps switches I just don't think this is something that I will ever appreciate.
I want to use clicky switches, I really do. I just haven't found a MX style clicky switch that I like.
what's weirdchamp?
I want to use clicky switches, I really do. I just haven't found a MX style clicky switch that I like.
Box pinks, jades, navies?
I want to use clicky switches, I really do. I just haven't found a MX style clicky switch that I like.
Box pinks, jades, navies?
I've tried them all, yes. I've been very disappointed with the QC of Box switches as of late; it feels like 1/3 of every batch I've ordered recently have had warped stems or some other mechanical problem. I'm really tired of playing the switch lottery.
Jades were close to being what I want, but I don't like how they sound.
I realize now that I misspoke in my last post: the jades I got from Novelkeys were actually fine. However, out of the 110 navys I bought from Drop about 30 of them had some serious issues--and the crystal navys I bought from KPrepublic were way worse. The problem has mainly been keys sitting crooked when I put them on. At first I thought I was just mounting the switches improperly or that my keycaps stems were twisted, but after taking the problem switches apart and testing the board with some control switches, it became clear that a good chunk of the navys I bought have issues. I've read that this isn't an unheard of issue--but who knows, the only other people I could find talking about it were on Reddit, and I have opinions about that site.I want to use clicky switches, I really do. I just haven't found a MX style clicky switch that I like.
Box pinks, jades, navies?
I've tried them all, yes. I've been very disappointed with the QC of Box switches as of late; it feels like 1/3 of every batch I've ordered recently have had warped stems or some other mechanical problem. I'm really tired of playing the switch lottery.
Jades were close to being what I want, but I don't like how they sound.
Interesting. I haven't ordered any lately. I still have bags of all 3 sitting around unused. I'm not very choosy, what problems have the warped stems caused? What other problems have you had?
Jades sound very nice to me for clickies. I have had listeners (I work in a school district) basically unanimously choose them over capacitive and membrane buckling spring, box navies and (obviously) MX blue. They're no SKCM Alps ... but nothing really is. I like how even capacitive buckling spring sounds though too ... even in the super pingy XT cases.¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I realize now that I misspoke in my last post: the jades I got from Novelkeys were actually fine. However, out of the 110 navys I bought from Drop about 30 of them had some serious issues--and the crystal navys I bought from KPrepublic were way worse. The problem has mainly been keys sitting crooked when I put them on. At first I thought I was just mounting the switches improperly or that my keycaps stems were twisted, but after taking the problem switches apart and testing the board with some control switches, it became clear that a good chunk of the navys I bought have issues. I've read that this isn't an unheard of issue--but who knows, the only other people I could find talking about it were on Reddit, and I have opinions about that site.I want to use clicky switches, I really do. I just haven't found a MX style clicky switch that I like.
Box pinks, jades, navies?
I've tried them all, yes. I've been very disappointed with the QC of Box switches as of late; it feels like 1/3 of every batch I've ordered recently have had warped stems or some other mechanical problem. I'm really tired of playing the switch lottery.
Jades were close to being what I want, but I don't like how they sound.
Interesting. I haven't ordered any lately. I still have bags of all 3 sitting around unused. I'm not very choosy, what problems have the warped stems caused? What other problems have you had?
Jades sound very nice to me for clickies. I have had listeners (I work in a school district) basically unanimously choose them over capacitive and membrane buckling spring, box navies and (obviously) MX blue. They're no SKCM Alps ... but nothing really is. I like how even capacitive buckling spring sounds though too ... even in the super pingy XT cases.¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Anyway. I can't really articulate what it is about jades that I don't like; I think it's just that they aren't "bassy" enough, if that makes any sense. I dunno, what I want may just be a unicorn that doesn't exist yet, or I need to find a good case/plate combo. (Which is really been a challenge since full size/1800 layout kits are comparatively rare.) The biggest issue is that I borrowed my friend's Alps board for a month and now nothing sounds good enough! The sound test for these switches sounded promising, and I'm excited to see how the samples I ordered perform. (Which should be shipping soon, yeah?)
I picked a good time to get back into this hobby. I've thought for years we need more switch innovation than the same Cherry clones slightly iterated on over and over again. I got bored as hell after the millionth linear JWK recolor de jour.
Happened to think I'd poke my head into GeekHack today and, what do you know, Zeal finally delivered on the Clicky Alps spring switch he's been hinting at for 2 years. $1.30 a switch may be steep, but I'm more than willing to throw money at something interesting and different. Especially if it's as good as these seem to be. Ordered 70, know just the board they're gonna go in, and can't wait to build it.
If box jades or pinks aren't bassy enough for you, your only real options for clickies are Alps and Matias. Maybe membrane buckling spring, but people tend to either love or hate those.
If box jades or pinks aren't bassy enough for you, your only real options for clickies are Alps and Matias. Maybe membrane buckling spring, but people tend to either love or hate those.
Don't tempt me--I am so close to just diving face first down the Alps rabbit-hole. When TKC restocked their 1800 kit recently I bought an Alps plate in addition to the kit "just in case."
Buckling springs are alright. I have a Model M that I like to pull out and use every now and then; I really like how sturdy it feels.
Anyone already tried these?
lmao this is so accurateyou guys
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lmao this is so accurateyou guys
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Anyone already tried these?
Any updates on the status of these? The ship date just keeps getting pushed back. Are they stuck on a container ship on the west coast or something?
Any updates on the status of these? The ship date just keeps getting pushed back. Are they stuck on a container ship on the west coast or something?
We express air freight all our switches. There were manufacturing delays, but we finally just received our first batch. We already sent out a handful of orders today before FedEx did their last round of pick ups. More will be sent out tomorrow. A few early order customers should also be receiving their orders tomorrow/Monday.
We've instructed Gateron to ship out switches in smaller batches so we receive the switches earlier, instead of in bulk. This way orders are sent out faster and it prevents a large batch of switches getting stuck in China due to lockdowns that keep occurring.
Got my 40g Clickiez and love them! So close to the perfect modern Alps replacement - if they could have just that little bit less tactility to match SKCM Blue/Orange they'd be my main switch going forward for sure.
I've had an issue with the return force on the space bar though - using a KAT space bar (weighing about 9 grams) it gets stuck on the way up quite a lot. It might be something to do with stab alignment as it's not as bad using a heavier SA spacebar that I have, though it still feels somewhat sluggish with that, but the KAT spacebar is fine with other switches. I'm using a linear switch for space instead now anyway, which I tend to prefer so not a big deal for me.
Ultra-tactile mode is a nice novelty (I like having one on Escape) but pretty much unusable for typing I think. Linear is ridiculously light. I haven't bothered with more than one switch on either yet.
Hasn't felt like lubing is necessary but maybe will at some point. I do wonder if lubing the tactile leaves will reduce tactility in a good way or not. Hard to tell without doing a full board and it wouldn't be easy to reverse.
Definitely in the market for reduced-tactility leaves if they come out. I feel like you'd have to have one a lot less tactile in order to have a normal amount of tactility with the leaf in the non-clicky position.
Thanks for the input, especially the space bar issue. When did you order yours? I got a shipping notification late April but there haven't been any updates to it.
Thanks for the input, especially the space bar issue. When did you order yours? I got a shipping notification late April but there haven't been any updates to it.
Ordered mid-Jan and got the shipping notification April 27th. Arrived in the UK just over a week later.