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Title: Logitech unveils M570 wireless trackball
Post by: lmnop on Wed, 15 September 2010, 05:19:41: Logitech unveils the Logitech M570 (http://www.logitech.com/en-us/mice-pointers/trackballs/devices/7365?wt.mc_id=global_pr-m570_redirect_092010) wireless trackball.

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Title: Logitech unveils M570 wireless trackball
Post by: Arc'xer on Wed, 15 September 2010, 05:52:13: No hyperscroll wheel? :der:
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Post by: Eclairz on Wed, 15 September 2010, 06:59:51: I think they are testing the waters to see if a trackball would be successful, if it is then they would add the hyperscroll. Anyway with a slick track ball, hyperscroll is unnecessary, I just wish they made a left handed one, as i use a mouse in the righthand and a trackball on the left of the keyboard.
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Post by: itlnstln on Wed, 15 September 2010, 07:27:46: It would be nice if it had a tilt wheel. They would have had a sale from me more than likely.
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Post by: Rajagra on Wed, 15 September 2010, 08:37:13: Still waiting for a trackball designed for people with four fingers and a thumb on their hand. I prefer the trackball under the index finger, but would be willing to use a thumb ball if everything fitted like a glove.
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Post by: Daniel Beaver on Wed, 15 September 2010, 10:07:34: Might be a good choice for a HTPC, where wireless is required.
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Post by: ch_123 on Wed, 15 September 2010, 10:10:25: The advantages of wireless mice are largely lost on trackballs with their static nature.
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Post by: itlnstln on Wed, 15 September 2010, 10:37:08: That is true. NEEDS MOAR TILTWEEL, though.
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Post by: MsKeyboard on Wed, 15 September 2010, 11:11:54: May have been mentioned before, and I did not see it, but Logitech is going to start offering their products in PS2 again. Just FYI, Later.................
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Post by: lmnop on Wed, 15 September 2010, 11:18:05: I like the Mad Catz Eclipse Touch Mouse 4 way scrolling.

(http://eclipsetouch.com/img/4wayscroll.jpg)
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Post by: spearson on Wed, 15 September 2010, 17:09:44: Quote from: Eclairz;223538
i use a mouse in the righthand and a trackball on the left of the keyboard.

Off-topic, but I have noticed a couple people saying that they do this. What is the advantage of keeping a trackball to the left of your keyboard in addition to having a mouse? Is it easier to reach, so for short-duration pointer movements it is faster than switching to mouse?
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Post by: microsoft windows on Wed, 15 September 2010, 18:43:32: You can make very precise movements with some trackballs while mice are easier to use. Or they do it because it relieves RSI.
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Post by: netwebber on Thu, 16 September 2010, 00:30:04: NEEDS MOAR BUTTONS! It looks like a regular 5-button HID device that won't need special drivers. But I want a trackball like the G700 (http://www.logitech.com/en-us/mice-pointers/mice/devices/7244), which I've been using for a few weeks. It's not as "clicky" as the G500 (http://www.logitech.com/en-us/mice-pointers/mice/devices/7244), but it's more comfortable, and has a very unique and surprisingly usable thumb button layout.

The M570 looks equivalent to the M500 (http://www.logitech.com/en-us/mice-pointers/mice/devices/5743) in features, so maybe there's an M770 in the works...

Hyperscroll would still be nice. A disc has a lower moment of inertia than a sphere of the same diameter. This means it's easier to start and stop free-rolling motion.

Still, I'd settle for Scrollpoint (http://www.almaden.ibm.com/u/zhai/topics/scrollpoint.htm).
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Post by: YpoCaramel on Thu, 16 September 2010, 03:21:06: Or a scroll trackball, like the portable Slimbaldes. Dual trackball :smile:

Optical or touch scrolling has the no-moving part advantage and they can do hyperscroll in the software, like the MX Air or I believe the new Microsoft mice.
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Post by: joker on Thu, 16 September 2010, 03:25:12: just use marble scroll (http://simans.net/marble/) .. it works with nearly every device. Define one button and if you press this button and roll the ball, you scroll. If you just click the original function of the button is activated...
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Post by: In Stereo! on Thu, 16 September 2010, 06:05:33: Or gpointing-device-settings in Linux. Trackball scrolling>>>>>scroll wheel.
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Post by: ricercar on Thu, 16 September 2010, 18:28:21: Quote from: Rajagra;223554
Still waiting for a trackball designed for people with four fingers and a thumb on their hand. I prefer the trackball under the index finger, but would be willing to use a thumb ball if everything fitted like a glove.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/313CDNQ2TNL.jpg)

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Post by: Rajagra on Fri, 17 September 2010, 07:55:45: Quote from: ricercar;224045
Show Image
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/313CDNQ2TNL.jpg)

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I have 2 of those, and they would make a good starting point. (If only the resolution was higher, I'd be using them now.) The resting position of the hand is near perfect on those.

But what I mean is you should be able to rest your hand on the device comfortably, with all muscles relaxed, and there should be a control under every digit, waiting to be operated effortlessly.

Bonus points for extra buttons, wheels or whatever that you can stretch to. But the basis should be a full set of controls that you DON'T have to stretch for.

I'll have to make my own at some point, starting by resting my hand on some of that mouldable plastic you can buy.

I gave up waiting for this:
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Post by: In Stereo! on Sat, 18 September 2010, 01:36:49: Quote from: Rajagra;224131
(If only the resolution was higher, I'd be using them now.)

And what's the resolution on the Marble FX? 800DPI? And what do you use that has higher resolution?
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Post by: Arc'xer on Sat, 18 September 2010, 12:51:19: Quote from: ripster;224418
Kensington and Logitech generally don't publish their Trackball DPI specs, the lazy bastards.

Neither do they mention the other technical specifications of the sensor. Like the frames/second, tracking speed etc.etc.

Sure doesn't help much unless you know the terms and meaning. But sure makes you wonder just how ancient the engines those trackballs are using.
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Post by: Rajagra on Sat, 18 September 2010, 15:08:38: Quote from: In Stereo!;224371
And what's the resolution on the Marble FX? 800DPI? And what do you use that has higher resolution?

I think it's 400dpi or lower. I should work it out but I know it's not quite usable with my dual screens.
EDIT> Found a link saying it's 300dpi (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Trackman-Marble-FX-Seriel-PS/dp/B00004VVL6).

I currently have a Logitech Trackman Marble trackball, and Logitech G9 mouse on my desk.
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Post by: bsvP585hUO2Y6 on Thu, 14 October 2010, 23:24:22: Quote
The M570 now sports an adjustable laser sensor, giving you a wider range of cursor speeds—and the perfect amount of control.

Sounds promising. I might actually desert my MX1100 again for a trackball if it turns out to have ≥ 1600 dpi. Too bad all the reviews I googled are useless in that respect. What's so hard about rotating the ball an Inch and counting the pixels the pointer moved?
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Post by: Arc'xer on Fri, 15 October 2010, 00:58:59: That's what happens when you don't advance trackballs, no one bothers to use them. And are kept underground and or industrialized, so people consider them either fugly or are so oblivious of any better ones like the CST that they dump trackballs or are like WTF is a trackball.

My best guess is either the Avago 9500 or Darkfield. But DPI wise it's anyone's guess really anywhere between 1500-5700, depending on the engine. Hopefully they make a marble version with a much better engine, always found the marble shape a bit more interesting.
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Post by: AvroArrow on Thu, 18 November 2010, 23:52:42: I picked up a couple m570s on the weekend (on sale for $45 CAD) so I've had a few days with it now. I had to go back to the store and exchange one because it had a squeaky scroll wheel. When I scrolled up very quickly, it would start to squeak. It sounded like the rubber of the scroll wheel was rubbing against some plastic on the inside. Thankfully the newly exchanged one is doesn't squeak.

I'm upgrading from the older wired Trackman Wheel (TMW) so it's not a huge difference, more of an incremental upgrade, like a v1.1 of the wireless TMW. The new forward/back buttons are a nice addition. It has roughly double the dpi of the TMW. The scroll wheel tick is more muted and less tactile/distinct than the TMW, kind of like the difference between a Cherry brown and blue switch. I like the older more tactile click. I also prefer Cherry blues over browns. The shape is also a little different than the TMW. The arch of the hump (tallest point) is a bit steeper than the old one. Very subtle, but I've been using the TMW for a few years now and noticed it immediately after placing my hand on it. It's not bad, it just feels a bit different. One thing I really wish they did was using the hyperscroll wheel from the MX/VX Revolution/G500. The rubber scroll wheel feels so outdated. I don't really use the hyperscroll functions of my other mice, I just like the feel & click of the wheel. All in all, not bad for $45 but the $70 MSRP is a bit of stretch.
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Post by: bsvP585hUO2Y6 on Fri, 19 November 2010, 09:12:54: Thanks for reviewing!

Hm, double would mean 800 dpi, I guess. Is this already with the
resolution switched to maximum? I gather from the Logitech ads that it
has some form of resolution adjustment.

It doesn't seem to be accessible out of the box via buttons like on the
MX1100 though. I'm afraid some reverse engineering is going to be
required to change it on, er, not officially supported operating
systems.
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Post by: In Stereo! on Sun, 21 November 2010, 01:22:04: Quote from: AvroArrow;249025

One thing I really wish they did was using the hyperscroll wheel from the MX/VX Revolution/G500. The rubber scroll wheel feels so outdated. I don't really use the hyperscroll functions of my other mice, I just like the feel & click of the wheel.

Yeah, I find that weird too. It does not seem really logical TBH.
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Post by: AvroArrow on Sun, 21 November 2010, 21:17:06: Quote from: bsvP585hUO2Y6;249133
Thanks for reviewing!

Hm, double would mean 800 dpi, I guess. Is this already with the
resolution switched to maximum? I gather from the Logitech ads that it
has some form of resolution adjustment.

It doesn't seem to be accessible out of the box via buttons like on the
MX1100 though. I'm afraid some reverse engineering is going to be
required to change it on, er, not officially supported operating
systems.

I don't know what the dpi of the old TMW was because it was never specified and I could find no documentation on it, but the m570 is roughly double. I have them both plugged in simultaneously and the same amount of ball rotation moved the cursor twice as far on the m570. I finally installed SetPoint 6.20 and there's no dpi adjustment like there is on my G500 mouse so I just un-installed it. The default fwd/back button setting is fine for me. The only way to change movement/pointer speed is via the Pointer Speed section in Mouse properties in Control Panel. I have mine set at 2 notches down from Fast and unchecked Enhance Pointer Precision.

I only run Windows XP/7 so I can't comment on other OS compatibility. The box only lists Windows and OSX 10.5+, there's no mention of Linux.

Quote from: In Stereo!;250052
Yeah, I find that weird too. It does not seem really logical TBH.

No kidding. I'd rather have the hyperscroll wheel then the wireless. Once I position the trackball where I want it, it doesn't move. I've always wondered why they made a wireless trackball in the first place. Aesthetics? And I spoke too soon about the lack of squeak on the replacement m570. It squeaks when scrolling up AND down now (scrolling up still squeaks louder). Grrr.... I've got another old TMW with a flakey left-click that I can scavenge the wheel from. If this squeak gets any louder I may open it up and see if I can replace it with the wheel from my old TMW. Hmmm.... I've got an old VX Revolution that gets no use nowadays, maybe I should see if I can scavenge the hyperscroll wheel out of that. It was cheaper than the m570 that I use daily now.
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Post by: YpoCaramel on Sun, 21 November 2010, 22:10:31: I actually find mine to have a fairly tactile scroll wheel, a bit noisy too, but I mainly use hyperscrolls so maybe that's just my point of reference. Ergonomics are a dream though, it fits my hand shape really well.
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Post by: panda-R on Sun, 21 November 2010, 22:18:50: my m570 has the high pitched squeel of doom also, but imma still loving it!
my first blue ball!
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Post by: guilleguillaume on Mon, 22 November 2010, 18:12:04: Anyone use a trackball like this one to play games? I usually did this on the past when Diablo II was released and this was not really a problem. I can remember too that I played some shooter games like Half Life but today I'm not really sure about how will be that since we have so high resolutions.

I'm used to very low sensitivity with my mouse always at 400 dpi but I have to move it across all the mousepad that is 43.5x36.5cm when paying shooter games so I'm not actually sure if it will be a nice choice for gaming.

I think I will ask my cousin to search for one of that old Logitech trackball we used to have when paying together in the past just for give it a try with my actual resolution.
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Post by: Arc'xer on Mon, 22 November 2010, 21:43:30: Quote from: guilleguillaume;250835
Anyone use a trackball like this one to play games?

I used one for a short while the trackman thumb. It's definitely not a gaming device having to raise my sensitivity a lot and it had a very glitchy jittery movement to it. I guess it could have been the black dots on the red ball and or the DPI. Definitely the DPI was a major one especially with the higher resolutions not just desktop but gaming as well.

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I think I will ask my cousin to search for one of that old Logitech trackball we used to have when paying together in the past just for give it a try with my actual resolution.

Good idea, I'd say try before buying though many have mentioned like keyboards you gotta spend good money for good trackball. Just remember there is a difference between thumb and finger you might hate the thumb ball and prefer the finger one or vice versa even for gaming it might be a different thing as well. Sorta like using a different mouse for a different grip, you might not like the mouse you use because it doesn't fit your style.

Speaking of buying, does anyone recommend the marble to buy for those that use it(gaming, desktop etc.etc.)?

For some reason the marble seems to have disappeared when I tried to buy it but recently I noticed the dark grey marble appearing here and there. I gave the trackman away and the kensington orbit I returned because it didn't feel right and I know some might come out and say if your gonna buy a trackball get the kensington expert or the CST-X.

But considering some praise the marble quite a lot is it worth it? or is it gonna end up another waste?

(kinda worried if logitech is working on a upgraded marble and kick myself for not waiting)

I guess if it doesn't work out next time I do go for a trackball I really need to just take the plunge and spend good money on a good one. Or give up altogether on the whole trackball and gaming.
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Post by: AvroArrow on Tue, 23 November 2010, 01:39:27: Quote from: Arc'xer;250999
Speaking of buying, does anyone recommend the marble to buy for those that use it(gaming, desktop etc.etc.)?

But considering some praise the marble quite a lot is it worth it? or is it gonna end up another waste?

(kinda worried if logitech is working on a upgraded marble and kick myself for not waiting)

I guess if it doesn't work out next time I do go for a trackball I really need to just take the plunge and spend good money on a good one. Or give up altogether on the whole trackball and gaming.

Are you referring to the Trackman Marble with 4 buttons? If you are then I'd say it's another one of those YMMV things. I actually started off with the older 2-button Trackman Marble as my first trackball. My friend had bought the Trackman Marble FX at the time and while it was comfortable, I wanted something a bit different and got the TM Marble. After using it for about half a year maybe, I still didn't really warm up to it. The lack of the 3rd or 4th button really bothered me. The Marble FX had 3 so you could map one of the buttons as a Shift/Hold and spin the ball to scroll up and down. The Marble did not have this. The best you could do was install the logitech software and set simultaneous left & right-click as the Hold button. Not very intuitive and made scrolling a chore.

Then I chanced upon a guy a work with the Microsft Trackball Optical (MS' version of the TM Wheel) and asked to try it out. I thought, this is kinda cool, way better than the Marble I was using and it has a scroll wheel too, bonus. But the ball didn't spin very freely because it was kind of stiff. Maybe he just had crud on the inner rollers or something. Then I saw another guy with the Trackman Wheel and asked to try that out and instantly fell in love and bought one within a few days. I was on my 2nd one before I bought and switched to the m570.

Anyway, back to your first question. The resolution was about the same on the TM Marble as the TM Wheel, both of which I found have too low of a dpi. I had to switch back to a higher dpi mouse for FPS gaming. It's definitely a YMMV thing as something I don't like you may like and vice versa. You'll have to buy one to try it out for a couple of weeks to see if you really like it or not. If you're in the U.S., they are readily available for cheap. Both Amazon and NewEgg have it for $25 USD + s/h so it's a relatively cheap thing to try out versus mechanical keyboards for instance. The main thing you'll have to get used to is using your forefinger and middle finger to do the spinning instead of your thumb. And if you've tried the Kensington Orbit then you already know what that feels like.
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Post by: Arc'xer on Tue, 23 November 2010, 03:14:52: Quote from: AvroArrow;251049
And if you've tried the Kensington Orbit then you already know what that feels like.

Yup, used it but it's performance was horrible even on the desktop very evident skipping and sensor spazzing out even from slightly quick movements which are not all that quick.

Someone mentioned it was the ball since they changed it to the grey one and also the engine itself considering it's quite a old sensor.

Like I said was always interested in the marble(forefinger) but for some reason it wasn't being sold. But at the same time I don't want to waste my time and money buying and finding out it's not for me.
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Post by: Milquetoast on Tue, 23 November 2010, 13:54:26: Quote from: guilleguillaume;250835
Anyone use a trackball like this one to play games? I usually did this on the past when Diablo II was released and this was not really a problem. I can remember too that I played some shooter games like Half Life but today I'm not really sure about how will be that since we have so high resolutions.

I'm used to very low sensitivity with my mouse always at 400 dpi but I have to move it across all the mousepad that is 43.5x36.5cm when paying shooter games so I'm not actually sure if it will be a nice choice for gaming.

I think I will ask my cousin to search for one of that old Logitech trackball we used to have when paying together in the past just for give it a try with my actual resolution.

I have yet to find an optical trackball that is good for FPS gaming, unless you use a fairly high sensitivity. All of the current optical trackballs on the market use several-generations-old sensors that are inadequate for anything other than casual desktop use or for FPS gamers who don't mind if they suddenly find themselves firing rockets into their feet after an attempted quick 180.

Actually, the current generation (dark grey) Logitech Trackman Marble is *decent* (better than the old white one), as is the Kensington Expert Mouse, but if you like low sensitivity, they'll probably drive you nuts with their failure to track fast movements.

I don't know about the M570, but I would be surprised if Logitech actually saw fit to put a decent sensor in it. Miserable rat bastards (Yeah, I'm bitter).

Quote from: Arc'xer;250999
I used one for a short while the trackman thumb. It's definitely not a gaming device having to raise my sensitivity a lot and it had a very glitchy jittery movement to it. I guess it could have been the black dots on the red ball and or the DPI. Definitely the DPI was a major one especially with the higher resolutions not just desktop but gaming as well.

Actually the black dots on red are pretty much the optimal surface for optical sensors to use (when they're lit by a red LED). Other companies (Kensington) have made stupid decisions that favor aesthetics over functionality, like the first generation optical Expert Mouse, which had a very dark grey sparkly ball, which mistracked horribly even in normal desktop usage. Later, they started using a lighter grey ball, which drastically improved tracking (but it's still limited by its ancient sensor).
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Post by: Arc'xer on Tue, 23 November 2010, 16:01:08: Quote from: Milquetoast;251367
Actually, the current generation (dark grey) Logitech Trackman Marble is *decent* (better than the old white one)

Decent enough to be worth it?
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Post by: wanabe on Tue, 23 November 2010, 16:55:40: Quote from: AvroArrow;250376
I've always wondered why they made a wireless trackball in the first place. Aesthetics? ... It squeaks when scrolling up AND down now (scrolling up still squeaks louder).

i actually like the wireless, i can lay back in my chair and use it to scroll around when reading something. i find myself putting the thing right in front of my keyboard when I'm not doing something that requires the KB.

Mine squeaks too, its really annoying. i'm going to open it up and see if i can put some lithium grease on there to help.
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Post by: AvroArrow on Tue, 23 November 2010, 21:13:02: Quote from: Milquetoast
Actually the black dots on red are pretty much the optimal surface for optical sensors to use (when they're lit by a red LED). Other companies (Kensington) have made stupid decisions that favor aesthetics over functionality, like the first generation optical Expert Mouse, which had a very dark grey sparkly ball, which mistracked horribly even in normal desktop usage. Later, they started using a lighter grey ball, which drastically improved tracking (but it's still limited by its ancient sensor).

Yeah, one more note about that red ball with black dots from the Trackman Wheel, it sort of works in the m570... at about 1/2 the dpi. The sparkly blue ball from the m570 does not work in the Trackman Wheel even though it fits.

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Mine squeaks too, its really annoying. i'm going to open it up and see if i can put some lithium grease on there to help.

Good, at least I know I'm not alone with a squeaky wheel. Let us know if it works out. I don't quite feel like voiding my warranty yet, but I'm very tempted.
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Post by: n3rrd on Tue, 23 November 2010, 22:27:12: I've been trackball-curious for a while now but wasn't overly interested in the Kensington options. Staples had the M570 on for $45 this week so I just picked one up tonight.

First impressions? Pretty happy. Performs well even at 2560x1600. My scroll wheel isn't squeaking, but it's pretty loud and stiff compared to the Razer I use to game with.

IMO, it would be perfect with an extra button under the ring finger and a hyper scroll.
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Post by: panda-R on Wed, 24 November 2010, 12:04:45: ok this isn't some good news but my M570 developed some lag/stuttering/whatever you want to call it. It happens on and off and it's probably due to the wireless. It just started happening about 3 days after the return period so now i'm a little bit screwed. Its hard to predict when it happens but another turn off for wireless for me! :(
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Post by: Milquetoast on Wed, 24 November 2010, 22:38:22: Quote from: ripster;251388
You should try a CST. Link in my sig.

Laser tracks Clear Acrylic balls fine and new model has even higher DPI. I need to do some Ebay searching for some DragonBallZ.

I've already got one, you see. I'tsa verr nice. But it's got one fatal flaw (for me).

It's got built-in acceleration, which can't be turned off. I just heard back from the CST sales/support guy Robert Rolling (best name ever for somebody in the trackball business, unless there's somebody out there named Holden McBalls), who said that, yes, it is inherent in the laser sensor and the way it reads the solid-colored ball they use. He said they're looking into different methods to alleviate this, though most people don't have a problem with it. I have a problem with it, because acceleration is clearly the work of the Devil.

If you don't mind the acceleration (and therefore are in league with the Prince of Darkness), it's pretty much the only full-sized hi-res trackball on the market.

Quote from: Arc'xer;251464
Decent enough to be worth it?

For me, no. It's a good trackball, and relatively cheap, but at the low sensitivity I prefer, it can't handle a quick spin. But I am very, very picky about this stuff, and I know other people who think it's fine for FPSes.

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Yeah, one more note about that red ball with black dots from the Trackman Wheel, it sort of works in the m570... at about 1/2 the dpi. The sparkly blue ball from the m570 does not work in the Trackman Wheel even though it fits.

That's interesting. I guess the m570 ball is patterned/colored in a way that compliments the tracking laser. I'd be interested to check one out, but I don't like thumb trackballs. There's a reason why when someone is clumsy, he is said to be "all thumbs".
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Post by: Milquetoast on Wed, 24 November 2010, 22:40:19: Quote from: panda-R;251847
ok this isn't some good news but my M570 developed some lag/stuttering/whatever you want to call it. It happens on and off and it's probably due to the wireless. It just started happening about 3 days after the return period so now i'm a little bit screwed. Its hard to predict when it happens but another turn off for wireless for me! :(

Oh, yeah, wireless pointing devices are also the work of the Devil.
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Post by: panda-R on Thu, 25 November 2010, 00:43:50: Quote from: Milquetoast;252162
Oh, yeah, wireless pointing devices are also the work of the Devil.

i poured holy water on it and now it stopped working completely. do you think i have cleaned my track ball?
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Post by: n3rrd on Thu, 25 November 2010, 07:17:34: Quote from: panda-R;252203
i poured holy water on it and now it stopped working completely. do you think i have cleaned my track ball?

It stopped working because a light sprinkling of holy water does nothing but piss off the demons. You need full submersion for several days to cleanse it.
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Post by: panda-R on Thu, 25 November 2010, 09:34:21: Quote from: n3rrd;252262
It stopped working because a light sprinkling of holy water does nothing but piss off the demons. You need full submersion for several days to cleanse it.

you're right, demons breathe under holy water either. Let me return in several days with my progress.
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Post by: Milquetoast on Thu, 25 November 2010, 12:09:18: Holy water is a good start, but I usually finish these things up by shouting "THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU!" repeatedly, until the neighbors call the cops and the judge orders me back on my medications.
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Post by: wanabe on Fri, 26 November 2010, 16:14:37: i wanted to try greasing the scroll wheel, but i couldn't figure out how to open this thing up. There is 1 screw visible, and 3 underneath the rubber feet. after taking these off i couldnt figure out how to pry the dang thing open...oh well, i'll see if i can put up with the squeak for now
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Post by: n3rrd on Sat, 27 November 2010, 11:41:34: Mine is ever so slightly squeaky, and I'd like to look at the switch under the scroll wheel as it's quite stiff. Once the return period expires, I'll look into opening it.

Generally, they are held together by both screws and plastic clips along the edges. The problem is that there is very little space between the two halves to get a wedge between them without damaging it.
Title: Logitech unveils M570 wireless trackball
Post by: guilleguillaume on Sat, 27 November 2010, 13:43:17: ¿You mean Squeaky like the M570 on this video?

I'm actually thinking on receiving one of this Trackballs from a gift my aunt wants to make me. I can take it for 63€ and that sounds pretty good price, but well here in Spain the change is 1 USD = 1 Euro when this is not the right change rate ¬¬'

I'm tired of moving my hand all over the mousepad when making some kind of thing on the computer when I'm not gaming so I want a very comfortable peripheral and well who knows maybe I can use this M570 for gaming some RTS/RPG games too and because of being wireless I can't move it out of my mousepad and just get the Kinzu for fps games, sounds cool.
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Post by: AvroArrow on Sat, 27 November 2010, 20:08:54: Quote from: wanabe;252690
i wanted to try greasing the scroll wheel, but i couldn't figure out how to open this thing up. There is 1 screw visible, and 3 underneath the rubber feet. after taking these off i couldnt figure out how to pry the dang thing open...oh well, i'll see if i can put up with the squeak for now

I found another possible screw hole location, under the battery just below the "1.5v" label on the curved part. I don't feeling like voiding my warranty just yet, but I think that might be the last screw location.

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¿You mean Squeaky like the M570 on this video?

Yes, that's exactly what mine sounds like, except mine will squeak while scrolling up AND down. It does not constantly squeak like that, just intermittently, but it is annoying.
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Post by: n3rrd on Sun, 28 November 2010, 00:01:46: Quote from: AvroArrow;253161
I found another possible screw hole location, under the battery just below the "1.5v" label on the curved part. I don't feeling like voiding my warranty just yet, but I think that might be the last screw location.

Good to know! Consider this a second confirmation on the squeakiness. Mine isn't as frequent as the video (mostly occurs when scrolling quickly) and I can tolerate it as I often have head phones on...

Once those thirty days have passed I'll pop it open though.
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Post by: Milquetoast on Sun, 28 November 2010, 20:58:21: Quote from: ripster;253236
That video makes it look like that guy is awfully fond of that scrollwheel.

Perhaps the scroll wheel is squealing with pleasure?
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Post by: wanabe on Sun, 28 November 2010, 23:52:02: Quote from: AvroArrow;253161
I found another possible screw hole location, under the battery just below the "1.5v" label on the curved part.

good catch - that one was puzzling me.

I went ahead and opened mine up, doing my best to put some white lithium grease on the axis of the scroll wheel and also the inside lip of the scroll wheel where the springy pin makes contact. Sorry its hard to describe, but you'll get it once you open it up.

Results are good for now. Iv'e only put in about 10 min of use, but it already feels much smoother. The dry/scratchy feeling and sound is gone now. It feels like my other logitech mice to me now. i just hope the grease keeps up - i may need to apply something heavier if the sound comes back.
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Post by: guilleguillaume on Sat, 04 December 2010, 16:40:23: I just ordered mine here in my city. I think it must arrive to the shop on thursday since monday-tuesday-wednesday here it's holyday. Can't wait to put my hand on it.
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Post by: bsvP585hUO2Y6 on Sat, 11 December 2010, 03:33:04: Quote from: wanabe;253676
I went ahead and opened mine up

Is there a chance we can take a glimpse inside, too? Did you see
an AVR µC in there? I was surpised to find an ATmega324P (http://www.atmel.com/dyn/resources/prod_documents/doc7674.pdf)
in my mx1100 instead of some more obscure part. They also used a
wireless chip with publically available documentation: nRF24L01 (http://www.nordicsemi.com/files/Product/data_sheet/nRF24L01_Product_Specification_v2_0.pdf).
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Post by: n3rrd on Mon, 13 December 2010, 11:47:17: As an update, after a couple weeks of use with no modifications done, the wheel has broken in quite well. The squeak disappeared and the wheel movement has smoothed out as well.

The click is still quite stiff but I can live with that.
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Post by: ShadowMerc on Tue, 11 January 2011, 18:30:48: I will also confirm that which n3rrd has said. I have had my M570 for a month or two now. When I first used it, it was quite. After about two days, it was decided to squeek. I never bothered with it. Now after a few months, the scroll wheel has no squeek. Initially the scroll wheel may have felt a little bit gritty as well. That is also gone, and the wheel is much smoother now.

With all that said, I really like this trackball. I originally thought I wanted the finger ball, but I find that the thumb ball is ideal. The buttons and scroll wheel feel right where they belong, especially coming from a mouse previously. Click dragging is a breeze. Clicking without moving is also no problem. I also love the fact that the trackball is wireless. I use a keyboard tray that slides in and out. I appreciate not having an extra cord to worry about hanging up. I also do not need to worry about routing the cord either. I wish that my RK-9000 came wireless as well.

My only complaint with the ball is that I am very sensitive to any friction. I find that I do need to clean the ball and rollers somewhat frequently. I am not sure if the stainless rollers would be better or not in that respect. Cleaning the ball and rollers (little tiny balls) is very easy though, and I will do that before going back to a mouse.
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Post by: wanabe on Tue, 11 January 2011, 20:18:57: i guess i didnt wait long enough for my squeaking to go way by itself. i recommend lubing it with some white lithium grease like i did if you're impatient.
Title: Logitech unveils M570 wireless trackball
Post by: Warduke on Mon, 17 January 2011, 16:41:38: I have been using trackballs since I got my first computer. I have owned a Logitech Cordless TrackMan Wheel, Microsoft Trackball Optical and Microsoft Trackball Explorer. When my Explorer finally gave out in December it was time to find a new one. Sadly, since MS doesn't make trackballs anymore, I had to look elsewhere. While I didn't hate my Logitech, it was my least favorite by far. Just not very comfortable for my hand. But after going to the Logitech site I noticed a new one, the M570 and decided to give it a try. I would have preferred a corded version since there is no need to move a trackball but the battery life seems amazing, so it's OK. My one real complain is the scroll wheel. I really hope they fix that in the next version.
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Post by: wanabe on Mon, 17 January 2011, 17:19:29: yeah, even without the squeak, the scroll wheel has a really flimsy feel IMO...not nearly as nice as the logitech mice that i have (g5 and MX revolution)
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Post by: AvroArrow on Mon, 24 January 2011, 23:11:16: After using this for just over 2 months now, about 4-5hrs per day the squeak is gone. Actually, I think the squeak went away sooner, but I just never noticed it until now.

The rate of crud accumulation on the rollers is about the same as my old corded Logitech Trackman Wheel. I think it depends on your skin as that "crud" is supposed to be dead skin cells and maybe dust I believe.

After using it for 2 months on a daily basis, I think it is a nice step up from the old Trackman Wheel. I didn't need the wireless bit, but the dpi bump is definitely nice.
Title: Logitech unveils M570 wireless trackball
Post by: AvroArrow on Sun, 27 February 2011, 16:23:10: So, just over 3 months now and the left click button on mine is starting to stick and it takes anywhere from 2-10 seconds to unstick itself. I'm tempted to take it apart and lube the left click button/switch myself rather than dealing with the RMA. Has anyone here dealt with a Logitech RMA before? Do you pay for shipping it to them or do they pay for it? The cheapest Canada Post shipping is going to be almost half the cost of this trackball.
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Post by: ashort on Sat, 05 March 2011, 15:45:21: I wish the M570 had a tilt wheel. But...I've always felt that there should be a good BT TrackMan from Logitech, and they've never done that. (still FAIL!) They just packaged their Trackman with a clunky USB receiver that I feel like I have to hide somewhere under my desk, and keeps me from carrying it with my laptop.

This new receiver that looks like a stub you insert into the USB port could easily make the M570 my new mobile pointer of choice, and have me doing serious work in my easy chair instead of at my desk. :-D

Looks like you could program the buttons to replace the tilt wheel if you have to have that. I may have to get me one o' these!
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Post by: ashort on Sat, 05 March 2011, 15:47:46: Quote from: AvroArrow;284273
The rate of crud accumulation on the rollers is about the same as my old corded Logitech Trackman Wheel. I think it depends on your skin as that "crud" is supposed to be dead skin cells and maybe dust I believe.

Not judging you or saying ANYTHING about you, but with my Trackman wheel, I can use it for a week straight with no crud. ANY of my kids use it for 5 minutes and I have to clean it before I can stand to use it. Nasty.
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Post by: ashort on Wed, 09 March 2011, 13:49:26: Using a new M570 for the first time. I can't believe the difference it makes for me on my laptop. I'm never going back to the mouse I've been carrying (which is by all means, a very nice and very portable BT mouse: Logitech V470).

I'm very impressed with the M570.

Bad part: But...still needs a tilt wheel, how do you leave that out, huh? It's not bluetooth (but it's almost as good as long as you have a USB port to burn for it)

Good parts: It STICKS to the desk like a Filco keyboard. It's nice to have an update of the Trackman Marbles that I've loved for years. And...it came with a Duracell AA battery ready already inside. Classy.
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Post by: toddincabo on Fri, 11 March 2011, 22:51:49: like this.........(http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/161/duo2.jpg)
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Post by: toddincabo on Fri, 11 March 2011, 22:55:41: here is your dream bro......(http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/161/duo2.jpg)
Title: Logitech unveils M570 wireless trackball
Post by: bitflipper on Sat, 12 March 2011, 01:51:47: I've been using the M570 since October without any issues. No squeaking noises or sticking buttons, or flimsy feel, imo. The unified receiver is nice if you ever consider a wireless keyboard that can use the same receiver. It is a step up from the old trackman wheel.
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Post by: alaricljs on Fri, 23 September 2011, 08:58:00: So I finally decided to get myself an M570. I've been using this style of trackball from Logitech since the original came out. I have 6 Trackman Wheels, and 1 of the wireless version (the dongle sucks),

The middle button is so stiff, but other than that the feel is very nice. No squeaking on the wheel. Also my usual 'stiffness' breakin on the ball worked. I just pull the ball out and rub the bearing points with my finger tip and then thoroughly clean off the ball on my t-shirt. Slick as hair-grease after that ;)

Interestingly the wireless reacts to my activation and deactivation of bluetooth on my cell and headset. This is with the cell located within 5 inches of the receiver dongle. It completely disrupts the trackball connection and the unity receiver resets and resyncs.

Wondering what to do with the 2 extra buttons I now have. I've been using the further one as middle click because of the stiffness of the real middle. The other is currently cruise down. Cruise is cute, but then wtf is the mouse wheel for?
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Post by: hcry4 on Fri, 23 September 2011, 09:18:33: I prefer wired myself, but the dpi is just too low on the older trackman wheel.
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Post by: alaricljs on Fri, 23 September 2011, 09:23:48: There's a whole lot I'd rather (including the wire) but they haven't made it yet and this is still a nice upgrade.
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Post by: ashort on Fri, 23 September 2011, 09:30:06: Quote from: alaricljs;420368
Wondering what to do with the 2 extra buttons I now have. I've been using the further one as middle click because of the stiffness of the real middle. The other is currently cruise down. Cruise is cute, but then wtf is the mouse wheel for?
I've been successfully ignoring the extra two buttons, that's what I do with them. =-D
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Post by: ashort on Fri, 23 September 2011, 11:14:32: balls balls balls balls balls
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Post by: alaricljs on Fri, 23 September 2011, 11:27:26: 7 balls here... oh, make that 8... 6 red, 1 blue and a strange big silvery one :)

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Post by: alaricljs on Wed, 28 September 2011, 12:13:30: So... published DPI on the M570 and proof that one way or the other Logitech is lying about the M570 (http://logitech-en-amr.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/18223/section/troubleshoot/crid/429/lt_product_id/7365/tabs/1,3,2,5/cl/us,en/kw/).

400dpi, not adjustable in any way... intriguing since this (http://www.logitech.com/en-us/mice-pointers/trackballs/devices/7365) touts the awesomeness of their 'adjustable laser sensor' (just click on the features tab and scroll down).

Grrrrrrr! Makes me want to buy a G500 and tear it's guts out.