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Title: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Group Buy: End of Sept. 2023
Post by: elvenmonster on Fri, 08 April 2022, 21:09:18
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[IC] Martingale

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The Martingale is a PCB top-mounted, 60-percent keyboard designed to be comfortable to type on and relatively affordable, and the aim is to maintain quality standards often found in much higher end boards in the hobby. The construction of the case is simple, and consists of three parts: Top and bottom case, and a daughterboard mounting accent. Nearly every single design element is functional in purpose, with the exception of the side profile and bezel sizes.

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Key features and specifications:

Please refer to the image below.
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Prototyping:

As of now, the board has had four prototypes over two rounds of prototyping, with the fifth and final prototype on its way to me. All images of the prototypes can be found in the following Imgur link: https://imgur.com/a/1r6CReq (the green prototype is the most recent one). Also including three images below.
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Inspirations:

1) The internal stepped geometry in the bottom case is inspired from the Bias TKL with the permission of the designer himself (Baionwave^TM lets go!). I found it useful to implement low typing angle and front height while also retaining some heft, leaving space for the pcb to flex without bottoming out.
2) The side profile is inspired from the now famous Matrix 8xv2.0 and 6xv2.0 series of boards.


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Group buy info: (Please scroll for latest updated GB info)

1) Price target: $250 + shipping and taxes (would be about $290-310 including VAT for most countries.). Will include carrying case.
Best case: sub 250 USD including carrying case. Worst case: sub 300 USD excluding carrying case. Looking at around 300 USD (slightly more with carrying case).
Please understand that these are only estimates from quotes I have received from manufacturers with some educated guesses made. The actual price could be less or more depending on number of units. I will update this when I have more information!

2) Vendors: None as of now. Will be approaching vendors soon! ClickClack.io will be the global vendor

3) GB Date: Depends on how talks with vendors go, but targeting Q3 2022. GB month will be December 2022


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Questions?

1) Why are you calling this the Martingale?
I have decided to name my boards on concepts from probability theory. Why? Those who know, know :simoneyes:

2) You say this is plateless, but will a plate be included anyway?
I plan to include an Alu 5052 plate by default.

3) What about plate files?
Any tray mount/gummy o-ring mount plate like the ones in your Tofus, Bakenekos, and Unikorns will be compatible with the board. So there is not much point in providing plate files since it has no mounting points,

4) Will the board be compatible with standard PCBs?
No. The pcb has mounting tabs which are specific to the Martingale, so no aftermarket pcb will be compatible. However, I will consider releasing gerber files of a modified Bakeneko pcb with the mounting tabs added and other minor modifications made (the GB itself will use a proprietary PCB, unless there is a change of plans for some unknown reason).

5) Do you have any experience running group buys before, or any manufacturing experience?
I have never run a group buy before, and this is my first Interest Check! However I have designed and manufactured many an engineering product back in undergrad (automotive suspensions, chassis, etc.). This my first time designing parts where aesthetics are as important as functionality, and it has been a learning experience!

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Thanks:

Maelk has been helping me with the pcb. Thanks Maelk!
This would not have been possible without the support of some of the lovely folk in the Indian Mechanical Keyboard Community (IMKC), and many more scattered across the world of overpriced rectangles. You guys know who you are! Thanks!


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Interest Check Form:

Please fill out the interest check form in your free time! Link to IC form: https://forms.gle/ACUHENyUnSGsSmBg8


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Discord Server:

https://discord.gg/4hXshyhfCn

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Will update the post as and when I have more information to share! Will update with a discord server link soon(done). Stay tuned!


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UPDATE 09/28/2022

Vendor: ClickClack.io (global fulfillment)
Pricing: $250 + shipping and taxes (would be about $290-310 including VAT for most countries.)
GB Date: December 2022
Colours: Green confirmed. Rest TBD.
#Units: 300 for now.

Next update will have exact GB date and finalized colours, hopefully with images of the final colour prototypes.
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Group Buy Details (updated 09/22/2023):

In the box: 1x Martingale keyboard, 1xAl 5052 plate, 1x 1.2mm FR4 pcb and 1x 1.6mm FR4 pcb included inside a custom hardcase (along with USB daughterboards, Jst cables, extra screws and bumpons).

Vendor: ClickClack.io (global fulfillment)
Pricing: sub $250 + shipping and taxes (should be maximum $290-310 including VAT depending on your country. Please look out for the final details on ClickClack.io)
GB Date: Last week Septemer 2023
Colours: Green (not exactly same as early prototype), Light Blue, Silver and either Navy blue/Purple
#Units: 300 for now.

Prototype images:

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Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: elvenmonster on Fri, 08 April 2022, 21:10:21
UPDATE 1: Added interest check form.
UPDATE 2: Added discord server link.
UPDATE 3: Added vendor, pricing and GB month.
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: of_sam on Fri, 08 April 2022, 21:29:43
Looks like a really nice project. Nice job :)
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: TheLastChatha on Fri, 08 April 2022, 21:39:15
Reserved!

Can't wait to see the final proto. GLWIC!
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: brudder on Fri, 08 April 2022, 21:43:24
This seems really promising - looking forward to this! Any chance of a proto sound test?
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: frigidisdead on Fri, 08 April 2022, 21:44:21
Would love to see a large rear weight given this is one of few pcb mount 60’s at least within recent memory, but either way looks like solid project. Good luck with it!
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: nlbh on Fri, 08 April 2022, 21:44:50
Waiting for the final proto and the GB to start. Excited!
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: Ustinj on Fri, 08 April 2022, 22:00:06
Looks really nice, glwic
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: finalarcadia on Fri, 08 April 2022, 22:02:25
It's simple on the outside but you can tell a lot of work went into the inside, looks great!
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: ayyydeee on Fri, 08 April 2022, 22:09:49
great work elven.

GLWIC!
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: reticent on Fri, 08 April 2022, 22:20:40
right side USB port on keyboards LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO really solid project at a really good price point. Looking forward for more!
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: Photekq on Fri, 08 April 2022, 22:33:33
Looks very neat and tidy. I'd like to try one.
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: Mr_Spaceman on Fri, 08 April 2022, 22:35:11
Looking really promising, elven. Cant wait to get my hands on it! :)
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: ankit on Fri, 08 April 2022, 22:43:08
Looks fantastic! Consider hhkb
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: linell on Fri, 08 April 2022, 22:47:38
great project
+1 for hhkb
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: spedywin on Fri, 08 April 2022, 22:48:34
i agree with the hee hee kay bee but this looks good for the price glwic :D
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: TheIcyKoala on Fri, 08 April 2022, 22:57:23
So happy seeing more PCB mount keyboards, especially 60s  :thumb:. Loving that green as well.
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: elvenmonster on Fri, 08 April 2022, 23:01:52
Thanks everyone for the support!

Also realized that I’m an idiot and didnt upload layouts. Will do it over the weekend, but you can expect the typical 60% fare. I really wanted to do the og HHKB layout with the larger right hand side blocker, but it likely wont happen. Will mostly include just the regular HHKB option along with WK and WKL.

Also regarding sound tests, they will take some time but I wanna make sure its a representative sound test. I personally do not have a recording setup of any sort, but will ask some friends to record it! Wont happen before end of month though.

Thanks again!!
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: linell on Fri, 08 April 2022, 23:21:19
Quote from: elvenmonster on Fri, 08 April 2022, 23:01:52
Thanks everyone for the support!

Also realized that I’m an idiot and didnt upload layouts. Will do it over the weekend, but you can expect the typical 60% fare. I really wanted to do the og HHKB layout with the larger right hand side blocker, but it likely wont happen. Will mostly include just the regular HHKB option along with WK and WKL.

Also regarding sound tests, they will take some time but I wanna make sure its a representative sound test. I personally do not have a recording setup of any sort, but will ask some friends to record it! Wont happen before end of month though.

Thanks again!!
true hhkb is amazing but 7u hhkb is good too  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: wencan008 on Fri, 08 April 2022, 23:23:49
Great looking board, price estimate seems very nice. Hope this board can come to fruition. GLWIC!
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: chaitues on Sat, 09 April 2022, 00:03:18
Looks lovely.
All the best Elven.
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: houdini on Sat, 09 April 2022, 00:28:10
GIB
GLWIC
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: Slayer77 on Sat, 09 April 2022, 00:54:38
Can't wait to see the green in person! GLWIC :)

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Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: Zeelobby on Sat, 09 April 2022, 01:15:27
Looks great. Love to see more PCB mount coming to market.

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Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: whirlwind on Sat, 09 April 2022, 02:27:43
This looks very promising, good luck with IC!
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: conternecticus on Sat, 09 April 2022, 02:28:24
I see you have poured a lot of effort into this. Everything looks great.
I don't see you mention which case colors will be available during the groupbuy, therefore I hope a nice, light shade of grey/blue/lilac makes it ;D
Hope there will be an Asia/South East Asia vendor.
GLWIC!
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: sushant on Sat, 09 April 2022, 03:10:52
Ne gibbers avail

GLWIC
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: yuunoda on Sat, 09 April 2022, 05:05:52
+1 HHKB

i'm soldd
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: Gnome on Sat, 09 April 2022, 06:09:05
Looks really nice, I love that green. I much prefer ceneterd usb on 60%, i think having it on either side really messed up the symmetry.
I'm not really a topmount guy, I've also never tried plateless. At the target price i'd be down to try :thumb: GLWIC
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: v16 on Sat, 09 April 2022, 08:22:00
very nice, hope it goes well
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: neoknob on Sat, 09 April 2022, 08:48:34
It is more beautiful inside. Amazing work! Looking great
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: elvenmonster on Sat, 09 April 2022, 11:01:34
Thanks again for the support everyone!


Quote from: conternecticus on Sat, 09 April 2022, 02:28:24
I don't see you mention which case colors will be available during the groupbuy, therefore I hope a nice, light shade of grey/blue/lilac makes it ;D
Hope there will be an Asia/South East Asia vendor.
GLWIC!

You are right about no mention of colours, and its simply because I havent decided them yet. Its still an IC so the process of testing out colours with the manu is not yet done. I will be updating the IC soon with a form asking colour, layout preferences etc.

Also vendors TBD 😭. Everything is TBD and will update as soon as I have more information!
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: lush_bunny on Sat, 09 April 2022, 19:16:11
Top-Mounted Plateless Master Race represent!
This looks great OP. GLWIC.
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: elvenmonster on Sat, 09 April 2022, 21:37:36
Added an IC form! Here is the link again in case people miss it: https://forms.gle/ACUHENyUnSGsSmBg8
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: sagarpruthi on Sat, 09 April 2022, 22:22:40
Great job Elven! This is so clean, can’t wait to get my hands on one.
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: ankit on Sat, 09 April 2022, 23:21:24
Super glad to see that 7u hhkb will be offered. Def will be joining this gb, especially for this price!
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: KeyBros_ on Sun, 10 April 2022, 13:11:06
I'm in
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: elvenmonster on Sun, 10 April 2022, 15:07:58
From the IC form, it seems like a lot of people like PP plates! Will likely try out a standard 60% PP plate and see what its like.
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: //gainsborough on Sun, 10 April 2022, 21:56:49
The amount of work you put into this is shining brightly, my man - such a polished product.  The praise here is well deserved!

Cheers!
//
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: autocast on Sun, 10 April 2022, 22:22:47
Hell yeah what a hot looking board! Another HHKB +1 here
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: Seunghyun Lee on Sun, 10 April 2022, 22:59:27
I was looking for 60 wkl top mounting. I'm in.
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: tngpq on Mon, 11 April 2022, 01:19:40
Not a 60% user but had to leave a comment for the awesome naming. Maybe consider a Supermartingale in TKL in the future.   :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: Mecxs on Mon, 11 April 2022, 03:58:42
I still don't get it who is Martin Gale?
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: paulgali on Mon, 11 April 2022, 04:43:49
Very nice elven!
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: Slayer77 on Mon, 11 April 2022, 04:51:19
Quote from: Mecxs on Mon, 11 April 2022, 03:58:42
I still don't get it who is Martin Gale?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martingale_(probability_theory)

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Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: Mecxs on Mon, 11 April 2022, 06:49:58
Quote from: Slayer77 on Mon, 11 April 2022, 04:51:19
Quote from: Mecxs on Mon, 11 April 2022, 03:58:42
I still don't get it who is Martin Gale?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martingale_(probability_theory)

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So the keyboard is named after the guy who invented probability? I guess that makes sense.
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: Rafa_n on Mon, 11 April 2022, 10:14:23
the technical drawing is literally a 400 megapixel image and it slows down the whole page, please fix
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: elvenmonster on Mon, 11 April 2022, 10:23:07
Quote from: Rafa_n on Mon, 11 April 2022, 10:14:23
the technical drawing is literally a 400 megapixel image and it slows down the whole page, please fix

Uploaded a smaller image.
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: mmayhem17 on Mon, 11 April 2022, 19:47:49
not a fan of the big chamfers on the keycap side, but aside from this the specs are perfect imo, will watch and see how this project goes. GL!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: gotgoodiez on Mon, 11 April 2022, 20:03:15
Looking good so far and curious to see what the color choices end up being. I feel lighter colors would look good on this board for some reason.
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: Versaknight on Mon, 11 April 2022, 20:23:42
Looks good!
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: Saks on Wed, 13 April 2022, 06:50:45
Looks promising!

Any discord so we can follow updates?
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: elvenmonster on Wed, 13 April 2022, 10:48:00
Thanks everyone again!!


Quote from: Saks on Wed, 13 April 2022, 06:50:45
Any discord so we can follow updates?

Discord server soon! In the process of setting it up. Will update the IC with the link :)
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: clickpig on Wed, 13 April 2022, 20:05:57
interest piqued, would definitely be down for a hhkb unit.
glwic!
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: rikercd on Thu, 14 April 2022, 18:24:37
Love PCB mount boards and wish they were done more often. In for one 100%
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: elvenmonster on Fri, 15 April 2022, 16:57:02
Added a discord server link!! https://dsc.gg/boards@random
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: granola bar enthusiast on Fri, 15 April 2022, 20:53:23
i do love plateless board's but wouldn't this have potential issues with the PCB mounting point's snapping off in the far future or is the PCB just more durable than i am imagining in my head
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: elvenmonster on Fri, 15 April 2022, 22:08:10
Quote from: granola bar enthusiast on Fri, 15 April 2022, 20:53:23
i do love plateless board's but wouldn't this have potential issues with the PCB mounting point's snapping off in the far future or is the PCB just more durable than i am imagining in my head

Hi. Not at all actually! I’ve been typing on these for quite a while now, and even when I apply full downward force, the mounting tabs are far away from snapping off. Under normal typing pressure, it is not of any concern.

I appreciate you pointing it out though since I’m sure others probably had the same concern!
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: ^prince on Sat, 16 April 2022, 04:19:40
Quality IC, 250 usd would be an amazing price! Keen to hear a sound test :)
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: Fnzzy on Sat, 16 April 2022, 07:57:15
Looking good! Best of luck with this.
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: zyyg on Sat, 16 April 2022, 10:47:22
Hi,there.
Does pcb support iso layout
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: elvenmonster on Sat, 16 April 2022, 10:49:27
Quote from: zyyg on Sat, 16 April 2022, 10:47:22
Hi,there.
Does pcb support iso layout

Hello! Yes it will support ISO. I havent uploaded the layout since bottom row layout options arent 100% decided yet.
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: bobgr8 on Sun, 17 April 2022, 02:57:02
so nice!
Cheers man!
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: heyimpanda on Sun, 17 April 2022, 03:04:04
looks great, am addicted to low front height/angle board these days
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: Vono on Tue, 19 April 2022, 09:33:01
Looking good at a great price! GL
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: BasedCoper on Tue, 19 April 2022, 09:54:14
Hope the gb does well. Can see you put a lot of effort into this
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: lush_bunny on Wed, 20 April 2022, 03:29:34
I really hope alu won't be included by default.
First, I hope it helps drive/keep the price down.
Two, I love the 7V, but I was not a fan of the "floating plate above pcb mounted keeb" sound profile.
Either way, I'm watching this IC closely. Good luck my dude.
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: lush_bunny on Wed, 20 April 2022, 03:35:55
Quote from: granola bar enthusiast on Fri, 15 April 2022, 20:53:23
i do love plateless board's but wouldn't this have potential issues with the PCB mounting point's snapping off in the far future or is the PCB just more durable than i am imagining in my head

I have 2 plateless boards (Timberwolf and 7V), still going strong.
You are right, PCBs are more durable and flexible than most people think.
Apart from that, there is a threshold of distance (not sure how far) a PCB will flex before it snaps. The tiny amount of space inside a keyboard will not let that happen.
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: Visionaire on Wed, 20 April 2022, 10:24:08
Great looking board at an attractive price. Following along now. :)
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: Capsy on Wed, 20 April 2022, 11:06:19
Looks great elven  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: Backspace2 on Wed, 20 April 2022, 12:19:54
I love it! I'm in!
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: elvenmonster on Wed, 20 April 2022, 14:38:20
Thanks for the support people! Really hoping I can provide more consistent updates on the project. Next update would be about the final layout options (mainly with regards to spacebar), and hopefully some news on vendors!
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: Rafa_n on Wed, 20 April 2022, 14:41:55
Excited for the next update.

EU vendor would be very nice.
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: lush_bunny on Thu, 21 April 2022, 02:06:31
Would appreciate a SEA vendor. Preferably Zionstudios or Rebult.
Looking forward to more updates.
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: nick779 on Thu, 21 April 2022, 11:03:11
Man if this gets offered in WK and that green I might need to buy a few.
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: lush_bunny on Thu, 21 April 2022, 14:33:18
Quote from: nick779 on Thu, 21 April 2022, 11:03:11
Man if this gets offered in WK and that green I might need to buy a few.

Ah a fellow man of culture. What keycaps would you use on em?
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: catamscott on Thu, 21 April 2022, 22:37:29
mounting looks good, price is awesome and finishing on the proto looks solid. very eager for more information, awesome project!
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: skrunk on Tue, 26 April 2022, 01:01:00
Nice and clean board with a great price!
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: Nonnegaard on Tue, 26 April 2022, 05:01:37
please dont, my wallet cant take much more
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: BasedCoper on Sat, 30 April 2022, 17:12:55
Sad to see it ended up being worst-case scenario.
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: elvenmonster on Sat, 30 April 2022, 18:45:38
Quote from: BasedCoper on Sat, 30 April 2022, 17:12:55
Sad to see it ended up being worst-case scenario.

Nothing is firm yet. This estimate includes vendor fees!
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: Backspace2 on Sat, 30 April 2022, 22:25:48
I was really considering this as a daily driver if it were 250-ish... I think I'll convince myself to buy it either way, but please keep us informed!

Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: BasedCoper on Sun, 01 May 2022, 01:22:14
Quote from: elvenmonster on Sat, 30 April 2022, 18:45:38
Quote from: BasedCoper on Sat, 30 April 2022, 17:12:55
Sad to see it ended up being worst-case scenario.

Nothing is firm yet. This estimate includes vendor fees!

Hoping its lower, considering Nascent was a 65% that was $290 w/carrying case. Also, it had cerakote, which is more expensive than ano. But I understand vendors are probably the reason for this, hope it does well.
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: Backspace2 on Fri, 13 May 2022, 23:03:46
Any updates on how it's going?
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: menuhin on Mon, 16 May 2022, 05:07:42
Quote from: elvenmonster on Fri, 08 April 2022, 23:01:52
Thanks everyone for the support!

Also realized that I’m an idiot and didnt upload layouts. Will do it over the weekend, but you can expect the typical 60% fare. I really wanted to do the og HHKB layout with the larger right hand side blocker, but it likely wont happen. Will mostly include just the regular HHKB option along with WK and WKL.

Also regarding sound tests, they will take some time but I wanna make sure its a representative sound test. I personally do not have a recording setup of any sort, but will ask some friends to record it! Wont happen before end of month though.

Thanks again!!

I am happy that you have ever thought of the true (6u spacebar) HHKB layout.
It's a pity that won't happen in this run.
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: elvenmonster on Fri, 20 May 2022, 01:20:01
Quote from: Backspace2 on Fri, 13 May 2022, 23:03:46
Any updates on how it's going?

Yes! Am in the process of talking to vendors, and that can be a bit slow. However, I expect those details to get finalized soon!
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: elvenmonster on Fri, 20 May 2022, 01:21:46
Quote from: menuhin on Mon, 16 May 2022, 05:07:42
Quote from: elvenmonster on Fri, 08 April 2022, 23:01:52
Thanks everyone for the support!

Also realized that I’m an idiot and didnt upload layouts. Will do it over the weekend, but you can expect the typical 60% fare. I really wanted to do the og HHKB layout with the larger right hand side blocker, but it likely wont happen. Will mostly include just the regular HHKB option along with WK and WKL.

Also regarding sound tests, they will take some time but I wanna make sure its a representative sound test. I personally do not have a recording setup of any sort, but will ask some friends to record it! Wont happen before end of month though.

Thanks again!!

I am happy that you have ever thought of the true (6u spacebar) HHKB layout.
It's a pity that won't happen in this run.

There are some really interesting boards coming up soon^tm which will have the true hhkb layout (Baul's type-B, and the Matrix 6xv3.0 Falcon come to mind). You should check them out!
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: menuhin on Fri, 20 May 2022, 05:57:16
Quote from: elvenmonster on Fri, 20 May 2022, 01:21:46
Quote from: menuhin on Mon, 16 May 2022, 05:07:42
Quote from: elvenmonster on Fri, 08 April 2022, 23:01:52
Thanks everyone for the support!

Also realized that I’m an idiot and didnt upload layouts. Will do it over the weekend, but you can expect the typical 60% fare. I really wanted to do the og HHKB layout with the larger right hand side blocker, but it likely wont happen. Will mostly include just the regular HHKB option along with WK and WKL.

Also regarding sound tests, they will take some time but I wanna make sure its a representative sound test. I personally do not have a recording setup of any sort, but will ask some friends to record it! Wont happen before end of month though.

Thanks again!!

I am happy that you have ever thought of the true (6u spacebar) HHKB layout.
It's a pity that won't happen in this run.

There are some really interesting boards coming up soon^tm which will have the true hhkb layout (Baul's type-B, and the Matrix 6xv3.0 Falcon come to mind). You should check them out!

Thanks for the pointers.
With closer to the left F & J homing keys, a left shifted spacebar with 6u or even shorter at 5.5u is an optimized design - I think you might be one of the rarer designers who are aware of the value of the true hhkb layout.

I cannot locate "Baul's type-B"
About Matrix, they have beautiful and interesting designs, and they execute their projects brilliantly. However, I prefer designs that are a bit more minimal than their usual design language. Would be very excited if OWLab (or Qwertykey) or RAMA have a true HHKB option in their future projects, they all have not-so-overwhelming design language (just my personal taste) and their pricing are reasonable.
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: Backspace2 on Fri, 20 May 2022, 09:30:30
Quote from: elvenmonster on Fri, 20 May 2022, 01:20:01
Quote from: Backspace2 on Fri, 13 May 2022, 23:03:46
Any updates on how it's going?

Yes! Am in the process of talking to vendors, and that can be a bit slow. However, I expect those details to get finalized soon!

Alrighty, sounds good. Best of luck!
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: unusuaL_ on Fri, 20 May 2022, 12:12:51
insane pricing for what this is imo, good job  :thumb: glwic & glwgb
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: nlbh on Thu, 07 July 2022, 01:49:27
When will GB start?
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: Mecxs on Thu, 07 July 2022, 07:31:22
Quote from: menuhin on Fri, 20 May 2022, 05:57:16
I cannot locate "Baul's type-B"

I don't think there's a public IC for it yet but you can find info in Baul's discord - https://discord.com/invite/v2sWm88
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: mr_foggy on Fri, 08 July 2022, 05:49:02
please offer the proto green for public sale, it looks stunning. Imagine GMK Taiga on it
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: elvenmonster on Wed, 28 September 2022, 21:02:46
bumping up cause there have been updates :P
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: funderburker on Thu, 29 September 2022, 07:55:51
Cool project, also that proto green  :-*
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: elvenmonster on Thu, 29 September 2022, 08:38:48
Quote from: mmayhem17 on Mon, 11 April 2022, 19:47:49
not a fan of the big chamfers on the keycap side, but aside from this the specs are perfect imo, will watch and see how this project goes. GL!  :thumb:

They're much smaller in the more recent protos. Will post pictures soon, but you can follow my discord for the most up to date pictures! https://discord.gg/9yhpRku2
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: gilbert on Thu, 29 September 2022, 15:05:48
hyped for this
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: conternecticus on Thu, 01 December 2022, 10:13:39
What are the final colours?
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: elvenmonster on Mon, 16 January 2023, 19:40:35
Quote from: conternecticus on Thu, 01 December 2022, 10:13:39
What are the final colours?

Apologies if you think I ignored, was just waiting on these haha. Final colours:

[attachimg=1]

Also there will be an internal engraving, the one you see.

GB should be in Mid-March 2023. Should have protos in all colours before then, which is when I will update this thread properly.

Thanks for staying tuned guys!
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: mr_foggy on Tue, 17 January 2023, 04:24:55
that teal/green is INSANE. definitely picking one up in that color.
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: Aethelberht on Fri, 03 March 2023, 03:35:34
Quote from: elvenmonster on Mon, 16 January 2023, 19:40:35
Quote from: conternecticus on Thu, 01 December 2022, 10:13:39
What are the final colours?

Apologies if you think I ignored, was just waiting on these haha. Final colours:

(Attachment Link)

Also there will be an internal engraving, the one you see.

GB should be in Mid-March 2023. Should have protos in all colours before then, which is when I will update this thread properly.

Thanks for staying tuned guys!

I was a bit sad that in the original post you said GB was December 2022, then I found out it would be in March 2023. Phew :D
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: boyjun on Wed, 08 March 2023, 14:52:32
Will there be an option for shipping to Canada?
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: elvenmonster on Thu, 09 March 2023, 08:16:31
Quote from: boyjun on Wed, 08 March 2023, 14:52:32
Will there be an option for shipping to Canada?

Yes :)
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: NOLA on Fri, 21 April 2023, 22:24:09
I'm here. Are the 4 colors set, or would you consider sneaking in a LE yellow ano?
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: elvenmonster on Sat, 22 April 2023, 11:30:38
Quote from: NOLA on Fri, 21 April 2023, 22:24:09
I'm here. Are the 4 colors set, or would you consider sneaking in a LE yellow ano?

Colours are final and streamers units already ready. Just waiting for the right time to release final info.
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: hzh0525 on Fri, 28 April 2023, 13:23:55
Simple is great!
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: lush_bunny on Mon, 14 August 2023, 05:39:51
Did this ever run in March?
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: vhaarr on Mon, 14 August 2023, 08:43:18
Quote from: lush_bunny on Mon, 14 August 2023, 05:39:51
Did this ever run in March?

No, still waiting :-)
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: pixelpusher on Mon, 14 August 2023, 08:51:30
We wait
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: lush_bunny on Mon, 14 August 2023, 14:30:36
My watch begins.
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: elvenmonster on Fri, 22 September 2023, 14:41:53
Bumping this because we're finally going into Group buy! Will create a GB page very soon.
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Group Buy: End of Sept. 2023
Post by: vhaarr on Fri, 22 September 2023, 15:57:45
Oh noes! That's like 4x HHKBs at the same time; Tempo, Kei, Brutal V2, and Martingale. And hopefully Lily right around the corner maybe :-D

I can't justify that, now I'll have to get picky.

And there's the MM-HHKB as well, though I won't get that because they've got too many GBs running at the moment. I'll wait until they fulfill Class 60 at least.

glwgb
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: lush_bunny on Sun, 24 September 2023, 01:37:23
Quote from: elvenmonster on Fri, 22 September 2023, 14:41:53
Bumping this because we're finally going into Group buy! Will create a GB page very soon.

Did I read the update correctly? This board will run for only the last week of September?
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Low front height, angle, USB port
Post by: elvenmonster on Sun, 24 September 2023, 08:28:02
Quote from: lush_bunny on Sun, 24 September 2023, 01:37:23
Quote from: elvenmonster on Fri, 22 September 2023, 14:41:53
Bumping this because we're finally going into Group buy! Will create a GB page very soon.

Did I read the update correctly? This board will run for only the last week of September?

It will be open for a while (like a month, or till the units cap gets hit).
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Group Buy: End of Sept. 2023
Post by: pixelpusher on Sun, 01 October 2023, 21:46:59
Planning to join for a green one, but I can’t decide on WKL or HHKB.  Did you ever have a HHKB top made? 
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Group Buy: End of Sept. 2023
Post by: iwobobul on Mon, 02 October 2023, 03:16:30
So much hype around this board, yet is appears so simple, doesn't even have a weight. What am I missing?
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Group Buy: End of Sept. 2023
Post by: pixelpusher on Mon, 02 October 2023, 09:52:49
Quote from: iwobobul on Mon, 02 October 2023, 03:16:30
So much hype around this board, yet is appears so simple, doesn't even have a weight. What am I missing?

For me it's well photographed prototypes, the unique brass accent on the DB area, the low profile, the low angle, the way the PCB is top mounted, the unique green color, and the classic side profile.  I am hesitant also because we know this is his first group buy.  At least it's limited to 300 units.  100 would probably make me more comfortable.  I have recently been involved in failed group buys from Mechs & Co, Noxary, and MKB.  I've also had 3 keyboard group buys turned into vaporware over the past decade with a loss of about a grand.  It's a coin toss.  But I like the design a lot.  :p
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Group Buy: End of Sept. 2023
Post by: Rhienfo on Mon, 02 October 2023, 17:09:02
Quote from: iwobobul on Mon, 02 October 2023, 03:16:30
So much hype around this board, yet is appears so simple, doesn't even have a weight. What am I missing?

Aesthetically it looks really nice, and there is some complexity here with the machining, not saying this a jane v2 in terms of complexity but I wouldn't say it's basic.

Is it worth 249? ehhhhhh I guess. It does contain a lot of stuff (2 pcbs and a case which adds to cost) but it is more basic and a pretty large moq considering this hobby which drives down price. Personally I would say it's worth it assuming quality control is very top notch. But you're not getting a good deal (not saying it is overpriced at all, just regularly priced)
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Group Buy: End of Sept. 2023
Post by: lush_bunny on Sat, 07 October 2023, 13:25:07
Quote from: iwobobul on Mon, 02 October 2023, 03:16:30
So much hype around this board, yet is appears so simple, doesn't even have a weight. What am I missing?

This piqued my interest because it is:

I never thought I'd get all three of them in a 60% layout, so I guess you could say it caters to this niche.
Title: Re: [IC] Martingale | PCB mounted 60-percent | Group Buy: End of Sept. 2023
Post by: finalarcadia on Sat, 07 October 2023, 14:23:50
Simple outside but complex inside - the low profile design & unique pcb top mount is not something everyone can pull off with such precision.