As linear (non-tactile) switches, these are one of the best types for gaming. When gaming, having a tactile bump does absolutely nothing because you're going to be bottoming out anyway. So these give you a very smooth feel. Also, the actuation and release points are at the exact same position. So games that require a lot of double tapping become easier than on any other keyswitch. However, most people don't enjoy typing on them that much.
If you're a person who tends to hit a wrong key every so often while gaming, these will be beneficial in that the high actuation force will help prevent many of those accidental presses.
Deck products will not work with common USB to PS/2 adapters. Most (if not all) of these adapters were meant to be replacement adapters for original equipment that supports both USB and PS/2 interfaces (Deck keyboards only support USB, including the USB version of the 105-key Legend); these adapters will not simply convert any generic USB keyboard into a generic PS/2 keyboard. To date, the adapters that we’ve examined simply map "USB D-" to "PS/2 Data" and "USB D+" to "PS/2 Clock" (as well as +5V to +5V and gnd to gnd).
KVM switches fall under the same example. If you have a USB Deck, your best bet is to buy a USB KVM switch (the same applies to PS2 with a PS2 KVM).
Oh yeah, that's the OCN Mechanical keyboard guide.
That kinda sucks.
OK, I keed - it has some misinformation in it but is a pretty good intro if you don't believe EVERYTHING as gospel. Check out the Wiki portion of Geekhack for more factual information.
And the OCN Key Section is the best part since most of it was lifted straight from Geekhack.
Ducky and Filco are made by the same OEM but Ducky is higher in quality.
* Ducky's USB cable is not hard wired (both ends are male)
* Ducky's Keycaps are made out of PBT
* Ducky's Keycaps are laser etched
* Ducky's 104 model has Media Keys and 108 model has Media and Hot Keys (calc, mail, browser, etc.)
* Ducky's are sold for less than Filco.
the USB cable is neat, you plug one end into the keyboard and the other end into your Computer. if the cable ever dies or if you want to get a shorter or longer USB cable you can buy one in a store.
unlike Metadot (Das) they chose the right side Windows Key instead of the left side Windows Key as the Function Key to activate the Media Keys.
I am reading from a translator and information from geekhack so if I have any details wrong please correct me.
Ducky 108 comes with ivory colored W, S, A, D keycaps that are sublimated and made out of ABS, 37 extra keycaps that are laser etched and made out of PBT (extra stock keycaps), leather palm rest (same as the Filco one), keycap puller, ps/2 adapter, dust cover and cable ties.
Ducky 108 cost 799 yuan that is $117 US.
Woah thats kewl :typing:
By the way i checked performance pcs their selling it for $179.95 USD + $45.50 USD for shipping to Malaysia.
Total price: $225.45
Wow, that is insane :shocked:
Yeah i think 6NKRO should be fine for me. I don't play O2Jam in ages and if i remember right it only needed max 6 NKRO anyway (could be wrong on this).
Can NKRO keyboards but using USB interface, be fully NKRO after using a usb adapter ??
According to the Legend FAQ they say they can't :/ but what about other brands ?
So if it is individual notes why would you ever need NKRO?
My Filco does. It is 6KRO under USB, and full NKRO under PS/2, using the USB to PS/2 adapter that they provide. Note that this refer only to the NKRO version of Filco boards.
Deck Legend: 6KRO under USB, NKRO under PS/2.
Thats the 104, but it has Cherry MX blacks and ABS keycaps.
u have to actually try the keycaps urself to decide which one (PBT or ABS) u like better.
Try to ctrl+f for this word "茶轴" if u want Cherry MX browns, 黑轴 is black, 青轴 is blue, 红轴 is red
But do you get full nkro when using usb to ps/2 adapter ?
My motherboard fortunately has PS/2.
So when i play games like o2jam, i can use the adapter. But when not then i just use usb.
Where you from by the way ? Filco sounds sexy :D
I'm from Indonesia. It's written in my location o.o
I think he probably wants to know where u get ur Filco... Since Indonesia n malaysia r neighbors
What distributor ? Please do tell :d
I saw
Filco Majestouch Tactile Touch Keyboard (Model No.: FKBN104M/EB) @ SGD199.00
http://www.gameshop.com.sg/product_info.php?products_id=5145&osCsid=8b87e2092f7136718176999040cb8e9b
Elitekeyboards sell it for USD134, how this hasn't yet taken the price for shipping into account yet.
http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=filco_keyboards,majestouch_104key&pid=fkbn104meb
I'm wondering if there is a cheaper source ?
I just woke up.
if you put a PS/2 adapter on the Deck Legend (USB) it might not work and if it did work it would be limited to 6+4 rollover.
Deck Legend will work on a PS/2 or USB adapter but it's picky about which ones.
it's also picky about KvM switches.
in the Deck Legend user manual there is instructions how to change your native USB cable to PS/2 or PS/2 cable to USB.
Some Deck engineer really screwed up there. A Filco just does the USB to PS/2 conversion with a passive Purple connector - none of this swapping 10K resistor B.S. AND it picks up the full NKRO.Show Image(http://image1.dhgate.com/upload/20106/61/ff808081249f50d80124a4281b20502a/productimg1277216136694.jpg)
elitekeyboards stopped selling the pad printed keycaps for the Filco Majestouch. apparently Brian at elitekeyboards recently said they are going to be carrying double shot keycaps for the Filco Majestouch but couldn't say when or how much. yesterday I read they tried this before with signature plastics but didn't like the samples.
Confirmed NKRO or 6KRO under USB
Cherry G80-3494 (Cherry Red): 6KRO with USB, NKRO with PS/2 purple adapter.
G80-3000 LSCRC
G80-3000 - Full sized keyboard using MX mechanical switches.
L - Laser Shot keycaps
S - Blue 'clicky' Switches
C - Has Windows Keys
RC - Chinese Layout
The Chinese layout is the one pictured above. It is basically the US layout with Chinese characters also on the caps.
G80-3494LYCUS-0 (White)
Polystyrol Casing
PBT (Polyester) Key Caps
Printing is Laser Etched
Backplate
G80-3494LYCUS-2 (Black)
ABS Casing
POM (Delrin) Key Caps
Printing is Laser Etched
Backplate
White version has Nubs on F, J and 5 Keys. Black version has Sloped F and J Keys and a Nip on the 5 Key.
note: I am pretty sure the Cherry G80-3600LYCEU-0 (White) and Cherry G80-3600LYCEU-2 (Black) are the same models with some minor aesthetic differences.
Cherry Logo is now Laser Etched and Painted on the 3494
Status LED indicators are now Blue instead of Green on the 3494
the reason they use POM in the Black version is because the White lettering shows up better. POM is very strong, rigid and expensive. in terms of texture it is more slippery than PBT.
Cherry MX Red switches are Linear (non-tactile, non-clicky) they are similar to the Cherry MX Black Linear but only require 45g of force to actuate and 60g of force to bottom out because they use a weaker spring. in the 3 reviews I read all 3 of them had one thing in common they mentioned the Topre RealForce in some shape or form so they should be significantly better to type with.
the Cherry G80 Classic Line that uses Cherry MX Blue, Brown and Black switches (G80-3000LSCRC-*, G80-3000LXCEU-*, G80-3000LPCEU-*) are widely available in a lot of countries but are not as solidly built, for example they are PCB mounted, rollover is only 2 n-Key rollover and they cost 60-100 depending on the country and currency.
pretty...
still think the Cherry G80-3494LYCUS-2 is worth it. with shipping the price is between a Deck Legend and a Topre. you can probably count on your fingers how many people in America have Cherry MX Red switches so it's a bit of a collectors item. I think the Cherry MX Red switches would be great for typing and gaming, poor man's Topre's plus the POM keycaps which are rare.[
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if you are interested in the Cherry G80-3494 here is a couple reasons why you should buy it.
* it cost $97 for a G80-3000 with Cherry MX Browns.
* the G80-3494 is better built than a standard G80-3000.
* the G80-3494 won't be sold on the market in Asia forever.
* you won't pay any less than $175 unless you go to Asia yourself.
* the Deck Legend is more expensive.
* you can probably count on one hand how many people in North America have a G80-3494.
* Authentic Cherry MX Red Linear.
Big news.
Seems the Filco will have double shot key replacements. If that is true, is the Filco better than the Cherry i am looking at ?
My only concern about the Filco's was the keycaps, but if their going to sell replacement keys with double shots ..... *drool
This is hawt: http://www.pcviva.com/products/G80-3000LXCEU-0.html (http://www.pcviva.com/products/G80-3000LXCEU-0.html)
If the Model M was black everyone would be complaining about shiny spacebars.
Everyone should start with a Model M. Cheap, classic, and a good place to discover your key actuation preference.
This was why i was trying to say the Filco may be a near perfect keyboard once they do offer those full key set replacements.
I was reffering to the email reply i got concerning buying key cap replacements and they told me they are going to sell Double shots full key sets soon for their filco keyboards.
A forum member here is already canabalizing some Cherry keyboards and selling double shot keys for a bargain price, however the filco ones will probably all fit better since their intended for their own keyboard.
The price could be between 40-60 usd :/
This was why i was trying to say the Filco may be a near perfect keyboard once they do offer those full key set replacements. My only concern is how to replace spacebar and those other elongated keys :/ oh and the price.