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Title: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: microsoft windows on Sat, 18 September 2010, 17:20:39

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/Nissan_Leaf_001.JPG)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/Mitsubishi_i_MiEV_background_blurred.jpg/727px-Mitsubishi_i_MiEV_background_blurred.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/95/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-1990-1126-500%2C_Kraftdroschke.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/GWiz.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/CT%26T_eZone.jpg)

I think the enviro-hippies designing these things are smoking too much weed.

Title: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: Rajagra on Sat, 18 September 2010, 18:17:01

Quote

Electric Cars are Ugly

Not always. Sometimes they are just expensive and unreliable.

Title: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: Shawn Stanford on Sat, 18 September 2010, 19:26:11

Tesla Model S

(http://www.teslamotors.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/large-960/Tesla%20Model%20S.jpg)

Title: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: a_fluffy_kitten on Sat, 18 September 2010, 19:32:41

This isn't ugly:

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=12553&stc=1&d=1284856305)

However, if you wanted to make the case that all electric cars suck, well, no argument from me there.

Title: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: Konrad on Sat, 18 September 2010, 19:36:49

There's plenty of ugly gas burners out there, too.  Automotive makers keep trying to evolve their products with futurism, no matter how ****ty it sometimes looks.
 
I wonder how efficiencies compare.
 
Energy provided by petroleum fuels vs energy needed to drill/extract, move it to the refinery for processing, move it all over the bloody place until it gets distributed to gas stations.  Gas engines are said to be ~15% efficient (ie, ~85% of the energy within the fuel is wasted as heat).  Total pollution costs?
 
From what I've read (I'm no expert on chemistry or gasoline combustion), nearly 69% of the gasoline, by weight, is converted into pollution (the rest being mostly harmless emissions and water).  So 1 US gallon of gas, weighing 6.25 pounds, spews over 4 pounds of crap into the air.  (Yeah, it mostly goes into the air, it doesn't just disappear.)
 
Electrical engines provide less power.  But the power itself is mostly generated by oil-/gas-/coal-burning and nuclear plants.  A small percentage is "renewable" solar, wind, hydro, geothermal, etc.  I suppose the big plants have greater efficiencies compared to car-sized engines, still their pollution must be comparable (if not a bit greater, due to inefficiencies and losses transferring this energy into the car).  Yeah, they can reuse roughly 10-20% of the power "lost" to braking/etc, but they still don't really compare well.  And what will we do with all those dead batteries?
 
It seems to me that electric vehicles give diminished performance (at higher prices), consume the same quantities of resources (though slightly different ones), and simply move the pollution problem somewhere else.  Somewhere far away from the traffic-dense cities.  I'm not buying it.

Title: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: ch_123 on Sat, 18 September 2010, 19:49:07

I wish Youtube had that clip from the Simpsons. You know, that clip.

Title: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: wellington1869 on Sat, 18 September 2010, 21:18:59

Quote from: ch_123;224555

I wish Youtube had that clip from the Simpsons. You know, that clip.

do you mean the clip from south park?

Title: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: wellington1869 on Sat, 18 September 2010, 21:20:01

Quote from: Shawn Stanford;224549

Tesla Model S

Show Image

(http://www.teslamotors.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/large-960/Tesla%20Model%20S.jpg)

thats gorgeous

Title: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: wellington1869 on Sat, 18 September 2010, 21:20:37

porsche and mercedez are working feverishly on electric or elec-hybrid models.

Title: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: keyboardlover on Sat, 18 September 2010, 22:56:42

Quote from: wellington1869;224570

do you mean the clip from south park?

Same thing really... ;)

Title: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: Daniel Beaver on Sun, 19 September 2010, 00:52:43

Quote from: Konrad;224554

I suppose the big plants have greater efficiencies compared to car-sized engines, still their pollution must be comparable (if not a bit greater, due to inefficiencies and losses transferring this energy into the car).

For an accurate comparison, you have to look at "well to wheel" efficiencies. Assuming that you have the same raw inputs (we'll use oil as an example, since you can use it for power generation, or for gasoline engines), how much do you gain from using an electric vehicle as an endpoint?

You'll get about 20% efficiency in energy conversion if you burn the oil at the power plant, transmit it over power lines, and run it through an electric engine. Burn that same oil as gasoline in a small car engine, and you overall efficiency in energy conversion is about 15%. By this metric, electrics are unquestionably better. Albeit, not as "dramatically" better as often claimed.

Pollution is a more complicated problem. CO2 emissions will be lower overall if you use an electric vehicle, simply by virtue of burning less fuel overall, and also from the use of some truly clean electrical sources. In terms of other pollutants, small gasoline engines may be favored. Modern ultra-low emission car engines are remarkably clean, in ways that coal-fired plants just aren't. Still, most cars on the road are not in that category of ultra-low emissions. I don't know the true answer to the pollution question.

This is all very well understood (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_car#Comparison_with_internal_combustion_engine_vehicles), honestly. Overall, you win with electric cars. Yes, they have issues, but the technology will improve.


Teslas are sexy... want.

Title: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: Parabellum on Sun, 19 September 2010, 05:02:22

Are you're telling me that looks good

Title: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: ch_123 on Sun, 19 September 2010, 05:14:09

Quote from: wellington1869;224570

do you mean the clip from south park?

No, this. (http://www.hostedfile.com/videos/5734/simpsons-electric-car.html)

Title: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: Ekaros on Sun, 19 September 2010, 07:19:12

Quote from: a_fluffy_kitten;224550

This isn't ugly:

Show Image

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=12553&stc=1&d=1284856305)

However, if you wanted to make the case that all electric cars suck, well, no argument from me there.

It IS ugly at least that front grill and lights... Otherwise the body is quite nice.


We could generalise that moving a huge lump of metal/plastic/wood around on 4 wheels to move 1 person is inefficient by it self...

Title: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: microsoft windows on Sun, 19 September 2010, 09:37:11

Quote from: a_fluffy_kitten;224550

This isn't ugly:

Show Image

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=12553&stc=1&d=1284856305)

However, if you wanted to make the case that all electric cars suck, well, no argument from me there.

Yeah, but I'd never drive a car with a name that sounds like "Howdy".

Title: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: JBert on Sun, 19 September 2010, 10:14:59

Quote from: Konrad;224554

There's plenty of ugly gas burners out there, too.  Automotive makers keep trying to evolve their products with futurism, no matter how ****ty it sometimes looks.
 
I wonder how efficiencies compare.
 
Energy provided by petroleum fuels vs energy needed to drill/extract, move it to the refinery for processing, move it all over the bloody place until it gets distributed to gas stations.  Gas engines are said to be ~15% efficient (ie, ~85% of the energy within the fuel is wasted as heat).  Total pollution costs?
 
From what I've read (I'm no expert on chemistry or gasoline combustion), nearly 69% of the gasoline, by weight, is converted into pollution (the rest being mostly harmless emissions and water).  So 1 US gallon of gas, weighing 6.25 pounds, spews over 4 pounds of crap into the air.  (Yeah, it mostly goes into the air, it doesn't just disappear.)
 
Electrical engines provide less power.  But the power itself is mostly generated by oil-/gas-/coal-burning and nuclear plants.  A small percentage is "renewable" solar, wind, hydro, geothermal, etc.  I suppose the big plants have greater efficiencies compared to car-sized engines, still their pollution must be comparable (if not a bit greater, due to inefficiencies and losses transferring this energy into the car).  Yeah, they can reuse roughly 10-20% of the power "lost" to braking/etc, but they still don't really compare well.  And what will we do with all those dead batteries?
 
It seems to me that electric vehicles give diminished performance (at higher prices), consume the same quantities of resources (though slightly different ones), and simply move the pollution problem somewhere else.  Somewhere far away from the traffic-dense cities.  I'm not buying it.

You're comparing field-tested technology with new stuff which finally starts to get usable.

Compare it to hard disks and SSDs.

Quote from: microsoft windows;224648

Yeah, but I'd never drive a car with a name that sounds like "Howdy".

Wow, what a rational argument you make.

Title: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: ch_123 on Sun, 19 September 2010, 10:23:34

Fjord? I thought that was a coastal inlet in Norway...

Title: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: wellington1869 on Sun, 19 September 2010, 13:07:00

i'm really into diesel hybrids. I dont need 300mpg, but 80-100 mpg (for a start) is well within reach with a diesel hybrid and with very decent performance and range too.
and with the combined torque of deisels and electrics you could tow a small building behind you.

Title: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: wellington1869 on Sun, 19 September 2010, 13:22:27

fisker karma hybrid: road and track says: "perhaps the Karma does represent the automotive future. It can achieve what the company says is the equivalent of 100 mpg. What’s more, it has 403 hp and can hit 62 mph in 5.9 seconds. Top speed is said to be an impressive 124 mph."

looks beautiful to me...
(http://www.ecoautoninja.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/fisker-karma.jpg)

Title: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: Rajagra on Sun, 19 September 2010, 14:03:27

SUV attacks Tesla and Prius. SUV comes out on top. (http://www.egmcartech.com/2009/10/25/tesla-roadster-toyota-prius-and-vw-touareg-involved-in-horrible-collision/)

Title: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: wellington1869 on Sun, 19 September 2010, 14:04:52

suv driver = terrorist sympathizer? ;-D

Title: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: Rajagra on Sun, 19 September 2010, 14:17:03

Quote from: wellington1869;224710

suv driver = terrorist sympathizer? ;-D

Nah, American patriot!

Title: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: wellington1869 on Sun, 19 September 2010, 14:18:08

lol

Title: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: JaccoW on Sun, 19 September 2010, 14:38:29

Just to add a few more:
(http://ekologikal.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/apteravehicle1wallpaper11.jpg)
Aptera

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_V_6Lb5ScJkg/RgM_fBj1ezI/AAAAAAAAAgA/18yV45xoUjg/s400/ACABION.jpg)
Acabion (okay, so it is a hybrid, but it goes fast)

(http://www.olino.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/loremo-einstieg.jpg)
Loremo

Just a few more exotic ones. :D

Title: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: keyboardlover on Sun, 19 September 2010, 14:52:05

I love how pretty much every post in this thread has proven it's own title to be wrong.

Title: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: JBert on Sun, 19 September 2010, 16:01:07

Quote from: Rajagra;224708

SUV attacks Tesla and Prius. SUV comes out on top. (http://www.egmcartech.com/2009/10/25/tesla-roadster-toyota-prius-and-vw-touareg-involved-in-horrible-collision/)

Interesting comment beneath the article:

Quote

 christianjensen

This took place in Jutland, Denmark. Apparently the owner of the Tesla Roadster is an employee of Maersk, the biggest company in Denmark. The owner already owned a Tesla Roadster, and this was his second one, it was quite new.

Seems he wanted to follow the Top Gear advice: "if you don't want to wait for it to charge, you'll have to buy two."

Title: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: Konrad on Sun, 19 September 2010, 17:51:34

Quote from: Daniel Beaver

Overall, you win with electric cars. Yes, they have issues, but the technology will improve.

Quote from: JBert

You're comparing field-tested technology with new stuff which finally starts to get usable.
Compare it to hard disks and SSDs.

Agreed, in maybe another decade or two the electrics will completely pwn the roads. Partly from evolutionary improvements, partly from the entire automotive infrastructure shifting them into the mainstream. When that time comes I certainly won't rule them out.
 
The HDD-SDD analogy is imperfect (because SSDs are in fact vastly superior to mechanical drives in every measurable capacity aside from cost), though I don't dispute what you're trying to say.
 
For now the electrics still seem gutless. Not entirely as pollution-greeny as expected. More costly to purchase, maintain, repair, and even sell/recycle. And, of course, more embracing of the high-end "concept car" ugliness seen at the extreme end. I suspect these swirly curvy jetson toys are sort of like the automotive equivalent of the unusable exotic crap seen on a French fashion runway ... maybe some celebs or politicos/corpers will buy the odd piece, not to really use as a car as much as a short-use fashion accessory or "pro-environment/technology" statement.

Title: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: ch_123 on Sun, 19 September 2010, 17:59:40

Quote from: Konrad;224747

HDD-SDD analogy is imperfect (because SSDs are in fact vastly superior to mechanical drives in every measurable capacity aside from cost),

Write speeds? Long term performance/reliability issues? =P

Title: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: Konrad on Sun, 19 September 2010, 18:06:35

lol, those are valid points.  Don't look at low-end consumer SSDs, look at the enterprise/server class units; built for maximum speed and reliability.  SSD units that actually use highest-performance controllers/cache/etc.  Downside is extreme cost, especially in comparison with HDDs.

Title: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: wellington1869 on Sun, 19 September 2010, 18:42:49

even with the ssd analogy, i think hybrids win again. Seagate momentus xt. 4gb ssd cache stuck on top of a normal 7200rpm hard drive. Fraction of the cost of real ssds -- but with a very good chunk of the performance gains.

Title: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: williamjoseph on Sun, 19 September 2010, 19:08:44

this one is human powered. it goes backward and forward, and if asked nice enough from side to side.

(http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/2025/butt10.jpg)
By williamjoseph (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/williamjoseph) at 2010-09-19

Title: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: mmm on Sun, 04 December 2011, 19:22:06

Mercedes and some other companies are developing batteries which have 10 times more juice per liter. Driving 1000 km on 'one tank' will be normal in 10 9 years for electric cars. Speed charging is (technically) available: it will take about 2 3 to 5 minutes to charge up to 95% or more.
Since large batteries won't be an issue anymore in the 'near' future (simply because they don't need to be so very large anymore), currently designed non-electrical cars can be adapted to become electric.
For example, the beautiful Alfa Romeo Montreal can be adapted and be electrical (the normal V8 uses approx. 5,5 18 liter/100 km, which only millionairs can afford in Europe where I live and where a gallon of petrol is approx. $8 $9 (€1.60 €1.85/l).
So, here is the non-electric version:
(http://i50.tinypic.com/110d2c0.jpg)
And here is the electric version:
(http://i50.tinypic.com/110d2c0.jpg)
Still think electric cars are (more) ugly (than non-electrical cars)?
:tongue:
Oh... And here a few more non-electrical cars - all butt ugly:
(http://i41.tinypic.com/e9ajv6.jpg)

Title: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: Malphas on Tue, 06 December 2011, 09:42:35

Pretty much every car made from the mid 90's onwards is ugly, regardless of whether it's electric or not.

Performance-wise, electric motors are great, and about a billion times better than a combustion engine in all aspects (which is why they're used in nuclear submarines, high speed trains, etc.)  Batteries on the other hand are pathetic (which is why subs have nuclear generators and trains are fixed to overhead wires).  Also, car manufacturers don't want to piss away years of R&D by introducing half-decent electric cars overnight, which is why the only fully electric cars are ugly, underpowered pieces of crap aimed at eco-hippies; except for Tesla Motors because they don't have any vested interest in combustion engines.

Edit: Oops, ancient thread.

Title: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: itlnstln on Tue, 06 December 2011, 15:45:19

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Title: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: awardsnight on Sun, 11 December 2011, 05:41:34

Well not all electric cars are ugly. And let's just wait for the day when electric cars become popular.

Title: Re: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: mmm on Sun, 16 September 2012, 06:49:33

Electric Lotus Elise:
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4046/4517595578_a9d728679f.jpg)
Electric Jaguar E-type:
(http://images.cdn.classicandsportscar.com/sites/classicandsportscar.com/files/imagecache/News_lead_image/et-4lw.jpg)
Electric Volkswagon E-bugster:
(http://assets.inhabitat.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2012/01/volkswagen-e-bugster-electric-vehicle-41-537x358.jpg)
Electric Renault Dezir:
(http://assets.pistonus.com/images/entry/950/renault-concept-cars-2013.jpg)
Electric Dodge Viper:
(http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/autopia/images/2008/09/23/chrysler_ev_viper_green.jpg)
Hybrid BMW i8:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ByQ7NpX7wvY/TjPhvu0hzbI/AAAAAAAAB3A/UAdqQyHjdIQ/s600/BMW-i8-Cars-3D-Wallpaper.jpg)
Electric DeLorean (0-100km/h in 4.9; $95.000):
(http://www.fastcoexist.com/multisite_files/coexist/imagecache/960/article_feature/delorean-ev-main.jpg)
Electric Mercedes Benz SLS AMG E-Cell:
(http://www.ect.coop/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Jay-Leno.jpg)
Electric Lamborghini Minotauro:
(http://www.extravaganzi.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Lamborghini-Minotauro-6.jpg)

Title: Re: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: demik on Sun, 16 September 2012, 07:13:44

none of those look good

Title: Re: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: fohat.digs on Sun, 16 September 2012, 08:23:09

I just turned 60.

I was in college ( majoring in Industrial Design) during the first Arab Oil Embargo of 1973.

We all assumed that non-fossil-fuel cars would shoot to the top of everyone's priority list and within a decade or 2 most vehicles would be electric.

Now I wonder whether I will even live long enough to own and drive something that I expected to be available half a lifetime ago.

PS - I watched the Jetsons as a kid, so all I ever REALLY wanted was a flying car

Title: Re: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: Malphas on Sun, 16 September 2012, 10:33:02

Quote from: demik on Sun, 16 September 2012, 07:13:44

none of those look good

No modern cars look good though.

Title: Re: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: SmallFry on Sun, 16 September 2012, 13:12:50

ORLY? You just noticed that they look like garbage? heh. I do have to say thought that the Porsche 918 Spider looks alright in my opinion. Granted, I don't care for the regular Porsche body style.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_wSUG_ibJWC4/S5Z91ugwnUI/AAAAAAAAE5I/QW8tigA2eHE/s400/2011-Porsche-918-Spyder-Hybrid-Concept-6.gif)

Title: Re: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: FoxWolf1 on Sun, 16 September 2012, 14:00:08

The thing listed above as an electric Dodge Viper is actually a Lotus Europa with electric power and Dodge branding.

Also, I think the Lightning GT is pretty nice-looking.

(http://www.lightningcarcompany.co.uk/Lightning/Lightning_GT_wall1_files/droppedImage.jpg)
(http://www.lightningcarcompany.co.uk/lightning_04.jpg)
(http://www.lightningcarcompany.co.uk/Lightning/Lightning_GT_wall5_files/shapeimage_5.png)
(http://www.lightningcarcompany.co.uk/Lightning/Lightning_GT_wall6_files/shapeimage_5.pngl)
(http://www.lightningcarcompany.co.uk/Lightning/Lightning_GT_roof_files/droppedImage.jpg)

And even more here (http://www.lightningcarcompany.co.uk/Lightning/gallery.html).

Title: Re: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: Dajm on Mon, 17 September 2012, 09:58:29

Opel Ampera (same as Chevy Volt on the inside)

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2733/4523708030_c539d08944.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/concars/4523708030/)

Title: Re: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: Malphas on Mon, 17 September 2012, 16:48:16

Quote from: SmallFry on Sun, 16 September 2012, 13:12:50

ORLY? You just noticed that they look like garbage? heh. I do have to say thought that the Porsche 918 Spider looks alright in my opinion. Granted, I don't care for the regular Porsche body style.

Show Image

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_wSUG_ibJWC4/S5Z91ugwnUI/AAAAAAAAE5I/QW8tigA2eHE/s400/2011-Porsche-918-Spyder-Hybrid-Concept-6.gif)

Looks to me like what you'd end up with if you took a regular Porsche, then watched a bunch of Chris Bangle's wet dreams and a DVD boxset of "Pimp My Ride" then started hacking up the panels with a machete and bolted on a load of **** from AutoZone.

Title: Re: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: Malphas on Mon, 17 September 2012, 16:57:07

Now this is nice. Mercedes had a few prototype EV 190's in the 90's.

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5125/5371584193_181678bc84_b.jpg)

A regular one for illustration purposes:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/1990_190E_2.5-16.jpg)

Title: Re: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: sth on Mon, 17 September 2012, 16:58:20

Quote from: FoxWolf1 on Sun, 16 September 2012, 14:00:08

The thing listed above as an electric Dodge Viper is actually a Lotus Europa with electric power and Dodge branding.

Also, I think the Lightning GT is pretty nice-looking.

Show Image

(http://www.lightningcarcompany.co.uk/Lightning/Lightning_GT_wall1_files/droppedImage.jpg)

Show Image

(http://www.lightningcarcompany.co.uk/lightning_04.jpg)

Show Image

(http://www.lightningcarcompany.co.uk/Lightning/Lightning_GT_wall5_files/shapeimage_5.png)

Show Image

(http://www.lightningcarcompany.co.uk/Lightning/Lightning_GT_wall6_files/shapeimage_5.pngl)

Show Image

(http://www.lightningcarcompany.co.uk/Lightning/Lightning_GT_roof_files/droppedImage.jpg)

And even more here (http://www.lightningcarcompany.co.uk/Lightning/gallery.html).

looks great from the side, borderline hideous from the front.

Title: Re: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 17 September 2012, 23:02:17

No one has designed a true, unique electric vehicle yet.

All they are currently doing is using the OLD combustion engined layouts when designing any so-called "NEW" electric cars.

I want to see vehicles designed for usage in rough country areas but are easy to charge up via the Sun.  Real insect like vehicles that are extremely tough when it came to endurance and reliability.

They can be taken apart and re-configured to climb steep inclines of 60% .  Maybe do away with small wheels/tires.

Title: Re: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: posthaste on Tue, 18 September 2012, 18:19:06

The problem is battery technology sucks, and there's no miracle on the horizon. 

Title: Re: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: mmm on Sat, 03 August 2019, 00:14:40

Quote from: posthaste on Tue, 18 September 2012, 18:19:06

The problem is battery technology sucks, and there's no miracle on the horizon. 

You've got to live with it, if you want it or not. At least, that is, you have to leave petrol cars. For example, in Paris petrol cars will be banned from 2030 onwards.
Its because of oil companies like Chevron which are sitting on battery and other tech patents and because of governments subsidizing oil companies (because they don't have to pay for the environmental damage and climate change which they cause; if they would have to pay for it, a gallon would be $50) that there are not enough electric and other alternative cars. You could also drive on - for example - compressed air.
But I would say this is all off-topic; as the topic is 'Electric Cars are Ugly'. Which is nonsense, be it alone for the fact that you can transform any car into being electric.

Title: Re: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: fanpeople on Sat, 03 August 2019, 01:42:19

Never
Eat
Crayons
Ronald
OMG

Title: Re: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: appaboy on Sat, 03 August 2019, 01:50:52

To be fair , normal cars are ugly too

Title: Re: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 04 August 2019, 21:50:35

How do these very old threads keep coming up?

Title: Re: Electric Cars are Ugly
Post by: fanpeople on Sun, 04 August 2019, 23:18:01

Quote from: rowdy on Sun, 04 August 2019, 21:50:35

How do these very old threads keep coming up?

As if they are rising from the grave.