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Title: This is id1otic
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 06 June 2022, 07:38:37
But Tp4 wants to buy sooooo badly....talk tp4 out of it.. halp

it just looks so kewl


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Title: Re: This is id1otic
Post by: Coreda on Mon, 06 June 2022, 08:01:53
Second one looks like it'd be a mini jet. Is this the price we pay for PCIe 4+ speeds :p
Title: Re: This is id1otic
Post by: fohat.digs on Mon, 06 June 2022, 08:11:17
Cooling vanes are some of the most interesting and beautiful computer components in the industry, and always have been.

Yet they are very rarely seen. How sad.

Title: Re: This is id1otic
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 06 June 2022, 08:17:55
Second one looks like it'd be a mini jet. Is this the price we pay for PCIe 4+ speeds :p

gdi these chinese companies are soooo steampunk, they know exactly how to appeal to puter' addicts.


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Title: Re: This is id1otic
Post by: CaesarAZealad on Mon, 06 June 2022, 09:16:20
But Tp4 wants to buy sooooo badly....talk tp4 out of it.. halp

it just looks so kewl


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the money spent on that will only bring you pain. The minute you click the purchase button the regret will sit in your stomach like a stone and only grow in weight until it arrives, tearing free from it's restrictions and pitting upon the realization that you payed so much money for something like this.
Title: Re: This is id1otic
Post by: fohat.digs on Mon, 06 June 2022, 09:27:28

The minute you click the purchase button the regret will sit in your stomach like a stone


I don't know, they do actually work well, don't they?

It's just a shame that their beauty is wasted.
Title: Re: This is id1otic
Post by: Leslieann on Mon, 06 June 2022, 09:54:25
You really only WANT to cool the chipset, not the nand memory itself and it doesn't take much to cool the controller. Worst case it slows a little.
Over cooling the flash memory actually shortens the lifespan, it likes heat.

Sadly, even manufacturers seem to ignore this because people bigger heatsinks look fast.


And yes, these work, but not well, which is actually preferred.
Title: Re: This is id1otic
Post by: suicidal_orange on Mon, 06 June 2022, 09:57:57
gdi these chinese companies are soooo steampunk, they know exactly how to appeal to puter' addicts.

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One look told me that's a Thermalright - a reputable heatsink manufacturer.  If I were to buy an M.2 I'd have to get one as it matches their ancient IFX-14 which is in my system (solid case in a cupboard but I know it looks good!)
Title: Re: This is id1otic
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 06 June 2022, 21:07:23
One look told me that's a Thermalright - a reputable heatsink manufacturer.  If I were to buy an M.2 I'd have to get one as it matches their ancient IFX-14 which is in my system (solid case in a cupboard but I know it looks good!)

They have a smaller one with a flat top, and a flat one with a single 8mm heatpipe.

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Title: Re: This is id1otic
Post by: noisyturtle on Mon, 06 June 2022, 22:21:49
reminds me of the Cooler Master Jet
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Title: Re: This is id1otic
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 06 June 2022, 22:23:10
Tp4 also owned this back in the day, the one with BLUE led.
Title: Re: This is id1otic
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 06 June 2022, 22:24:46
You really only WANT to cool the chipset, not the nand memory itself and it doesn't take much to cool the controller. Worst case it slows a little.
Over cooling the flash memory actually shortens the lifespan, it likes heat.

Sadly, even manufacturers seem to ignore this because people bigger heatsinks look fast.


And yes, these work, but not well, which is actually preferred.


but then linus said in a follow upvideo that the nand DOES want to be cooled.
Title: Re: This is id1otic
Post by: granola bar enthusiast on Mon, 06 June 2022, 23:37:09
i wonder if this really makes an effect on performance, especially if you already have liquid cooling and some solid fans already. like Lesliann said, overcooling shortens the lifespan
Title: Re: This is id1otic
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 07 June 2022, 07:51:31
i wonder if this really makes an effect on performance, especially if you already have liquid cooling and some solid fans already. like Lesliann said, overcooling shortens the lifespan

in benchmarks it definitely does, but not in normal use.  you can burn them out in normal use though without cooling.
Title: Re: This is id1otic
Post by: phinix on Tue, 07 June 2022, 08:01:37
I wouldn't use one.
I would put thermal pad on chipset, that's it.
If you reeeeally need to :)
Title: Re: This is id1otic
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 07 June 2022, 08:26:14
I wouldn't use one.
but you could burn out the ssd, it's totes happened to people, mostly laptops, but still.
Title: Re: This is id1otic
Post by: phinix on Tue, 07 June 2022, 08:35:43
I wouldn't use one.
but you could burn out the ssd, it's totes happened to people, mostly laptops, but still.

I want to believe that if they needed heatsink, manufacturer would have added one.
If they do not, sounds like its just an addition.
No?

I remember the days, when Zalman released those small heatsinks for GPU RAM. Lots of peeps bought them and mounted, I liked the color etc :)
Then they had this blue NB chipset heatsink, I think I still have it somewhere in the attic.

EDIT: loved it :)

(https://euroalps.co.uk/technology/Computing/Chipset_Cooling/Fix_Heatsink/P8110896.jpg)
Title: Re: This is id1otic
Post by: Coreda on Tue, 07 June 2022, 08:51:12
but then linus said in a follow upvideo that the nand DOES want to be cooled.

Haven't seen any video about this but when you see that WD Black and Samsung Evo's max operating range is 70°C and some run into that and above at regular loads (check many forum topics) it may become an issue since it can be at crit temps.

Some of this could be blamed on being too near the GPU exhaust (particularly the second slot of some motherboards) or insufficient heatsinks.
Title: Re: This is id1otic
Post by: phinix on Tue, 07 June 2022, 14:18:20
but then linus said in a follow upvideo that the nand DOES want to be cooled.

Haven't seen any video about this but when you see that WD Black and Samsung Evo's max operating range is 70°C and some run into that and above at regular loads (check many forum topics) it may become an issue since it can be at crit temps.

Some of this could be blamed on being too near the GPU exhaust (particularly the second slot of some motherboards) or insufficient heatsinks.

Or imagine ITX builds with small mobos in cramped itx cases.
Title: Re: This is id1otic
Post by: Coreda on Tue, 05 July 2022, 23:26:28
Ayyy

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Title: Re: This is id1otic
Post by: phinix on Wed, 06 July 2022, 03:32:41
Lets go even further, watercooling.
Because I can :D
Title: Re: This is id1otic
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 06 July 2022, 05:58:05
Lets go even further, watercooling.
Because I can :D

that's alot of resistance for the loop, might lose performance for all other components.
Title: Re: This is id1otic
Post by: phinix on Wed, 06 July 2022, 07:56:42
Lets go even further, watercooling.
Because I can :D

that's alot of resistance for the loop, might lose performance for all other components.

Nah, I remember 10 years ago when I got into watercooling, People were all about number of radiators, resistance in multiple blocks etc
All bull****, I used one double rad for CPU, GPU, NB blocks, running all around 40-45C load, nice and quiet.

Any pump these days can handly one more block in a loop, dont worry  :thumb:
Title: Re: This is id1otic
Post by: Darthbaggins on Wed, 06 July 2022, 11:17:33
only heatsink I use on my M.2 is EK's - all main hardware in my system is cooled by EK blocks. .
(https://www.notebookcheck.com/fileadmin/Notebooks/News/_nc3/ekwater.JPG)
Title: Re: This is id1otic
Post by: phinix on Thu, 07 July 2022, 02:57:02
only heatsink I use on my M.2 is EK's - all main hardware in my system is cooled by EK blocks. .
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Yeah, these are nice and simple.
But tp4 wants bells and whistles, tower heatsinks and ****  :D
Title: Re: This is id1otic
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 07 July 2022, 06:58:09
only heatsink I use on my M.2 is EK's - all main hardware in my system is cooled by EK blocks. .
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(https://www.notebookcheck.com/fileadmin/Notebooks/News/_nc3/ekwater.JPG)

Yeah, these are nice and simple.
But tp4 wants bells and whistles, tower heatsinks and ****  :D

Sp1nnnerrrs
Title: Re: This is id1otic
Post by: Darthbaggins on Thu, 07 July 2022, 12:57:20
only heatsink I use on my M.2 is EK's - all main hardware in my system is cooled by EK blocks. .
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(https://www.notebookcheck.com/fileadmin/Notebooks/News/_nc3/ekwater.JPG)

Yeah, these are nice and simple.
But tp4 wants bells and whistles, tower heatsinks and ****  :D

Could go with the Corsair Waterblock version.