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geekhack Community => Input Devices => Topic started by: keyboardlover on Sat, 25 September 2010, 17:14:24

Title: Cyborg R.A.T. 7
Post by: keyboardlover on Sat, 25 September 2010, 17:14:24: (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41OkjEDLcUL._SS400_.jpg)

Does anyone have this mouse (http://www.amazon.com/Cyborg-R-T-Gaming-Mouse/dp/B003CP0BHM)? I saw it at the computer store today and it looks really cool. I'm guessing it's new and it's fully adjustable...seems perfect for people with long fingers like me (small mice make my pinky and ring finger drag uncomfortably).
Title: Cyborg R.A.T. 7
Post by: frvrngn on Sat, 25 September 2010, 17:42:18: That thing is crazy looking... After reading what it can do, it is rather intriguing though.
Title: Cyborg R.A.T. 7
Post by: microsoft windows on Sat, 25 September 2010, 17:56:10: It moves around a little arrow on your screen. That hasn't been intriguing since 1985.
Title: Cyborg R.A.T. 7
Post by: frvrngn on Sat, 25 September 2010, 17:59:07: OK OK, what it can do in regards to how far you can adjust the shape of it is intriguing. Mixed reviews on Amazon, but it seems like you should be able to get it close to your ideal mouse shape (if you like traditional mice).
Title: Cyborg R.A.T. 7
Post by: Rajagra on Sat, 25 September 2010, 18:30:26: There are several versions - 3, 5, 7 and 9 (9 being wireless). I wonder if the later models offer any advantage other than updated sensors? Even the R.A.T. 3 works at 3200dpi. Might be worth keeping an eye out for an older version going cheap.

EDIT> The 7 and 9 are more adjustable. http://uk.gear.ign.com/articles/111/1110788p1.html
Title: Cyborg R.A.T. 7
Post by: MahBoi on Sat, 25 September 2010, 19:53:33: There are many people that are attracted to its Transformer-esque aesthetic. I am not one of those people.

I've been pretty skeptical about this mouse and the usefulness of its features since I first read about it. If anyone that has this mouse would be happy to indulge us about how it is, I'd appreciate it.
Title: Cyborg R.A.T. 7
Post by: d4rkst4r on Sat, 25 September 2010, 21:12:09: Quote from: MahBoi;226834
If anyone that has this mouse would be happy to indulge us about how it is, I'd appreciate it.

I picked up the R.A.T 7. a while back. Thread (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=8378). Apologies for the blurry pics. Must get better camera.

Cons I've heard from others are inferior sensor, no "hyper scroll", and too heavy even without any extra weights.

Features I appreciate are pinkie rest, nice size, sensitivity control, sniper button, quality scroll tactility, adjustable weights, other adjustments, side scroll wheel, profiles. I require a wide mouse due to my hand size and this fits the bill much better than other narrow mice. No major flaws, IMO, but it probably won't improve your gaming.

Priced at $100, it's not prohibitively expensive compared to some other gaming mice with extra features. For some, the $50 Ikari with 2 cpi settings is adequate. For me, it's mostly a matter of comfort.
Title: Cyborg R.A.T. 7
Post by: MyNameIsDan on Sun, 26 September 2010, 13:37:39: Bought it few weeks ago but returned it due to sensor issue, read here: http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=539&Itemid=65&limit=1&limitstart=4
Title: Cyborg R.A.T. 7
Post by: Rajagra on Sun, 26 September 2010, 17:38:18: That Philips Twin-Eye sensor sure is getting a bad rep.
The MIONIX NAOS 5000 should be a better choice then. (See other recent thread.)
Title: Cyborg R.A.T. 7
Post by: Oqsy on Sun, 26 September 2010, 19:36:08: I don't want anything that sharp anywhere NEAR where I fap.
Title: Cyborg R.A.T. 7
Post by: keyboardlover on Sun, 26 September 2010, 19:44:43: Quote from: oqsy;227118
i don't want anything that sharp anywhere near where i fap.

rofl :D
Title: Cyborg R.A.T. 7
Post by: MyNameIsDan on Sun, 26 September 2010, 21:58:18: Quote from: Rajagra;227083
That Philips Twin-Eye sensor sure is getting a bad rep.
The MIONIX NAOS 5000 should be a better choice then. (See other recent thread.)

My Xai (uses philips) seems to work well though on a hard pad (9hd). I've heard all this and that regarding negative/positive accel but on a hard pad I haven't experienced any of it.

This seems to be true for G500 as well. Just gotta use a hard pad and all your problems go away, for the most part.

However RAT7 on the same hard pad had issues.
Title: Cyborg R.A.T. 7
Post by: Arc'xer on Mon, 27 September 2010, 00:49:31: The Xai uses the Avago 9500 version A rather than S on the G500/G9X.

Avago tracks slightly poorer on cloth. But it's only a small reduction in it's max tracing speed from 6 to about 3 or 4. Unless your running around with maybe 150cm+/360 you won't reach it. Only other negative is a small 3-5% positive acceleration but it's somewhat overblown and could be an isolated incident.

Philips twin-eye engine has problems due to it's Z-axis tracking issues. Having cursor jitter and cursor jumping in particular when you lift it and set it back down.
Title: Cyborg R.A.T. 7
Post by: Kragarmendes on Thu, 16 December 2010, 19:47:48: To me the R.A.T. 7 just felt horribly heavy - unthinkable for gaming imo. But that is also preference...

The Mionix Naos 5000 felt like a perfect shape (and pretty light-weight) when I tried it and it's Avago 9500 should give you the best laser sensor to date.
Title: Cyborg R.A.T. 7
Post by: Azuremen on Thu, 16 December 2010, 20:24:00: Holy thread necro batman.

That aside, with this back up, have they resolved the Z-axis tracking issues? I kind of want one but I really don't want to deal with that problem.
Title: Cyborg R.A.T. 7
Post by: chuckading on Mon, 20 December 2010, 23:00:05: I was totally a sucker for how it looked, but then I got to check out a floor model of the Rat 7 at Fry's. Sucks, build quality was a total disappointment.
Title: Cyborg R.A.T. 7
Post by: Pine on Thu, 23 December 2010, 22:00:51: I've the RAT 7. I find the tracking absolutely perfect. It's a bit on the heavy side (I don't use any of the included extra weights) but with a good pad, it glides exceptionally well and feels very sturdy. I can easily say the build quality is above many mice. Maybe the floor model you saw was a bit roughed up?

All in all, it's weird. You'll use it for a week, and after that you won't want to use anything else.
Title: Cyborg R.A.T. 7
Post by: Oqsy on Thu, 23 December 2010, 23:26:48: Quote from: Pine
All in all, it's weird. You'll use it for a week, and after that you won't want to use anything else.

That's EXACTLY how I feel about double-quilted toilet paper!
Title: Cyborg R.A.T. 7
Post by: Pine on Fri, 24 December 2010, 08:56:54: I'm glad we agree!
How's the tracking on that toilet paper?
...might have to pick some up.
Title: Cyborg R.A.T. 7
Post by: YpoCaramel on Mon, 27 December 2010, 08:08:14: I mean it's quite alright, I haven't tested or read an extensive analysis of the sensor performance but this mouse has generated strong emotions one way or another but in reality I don't feel either way about it.
Title: Cyborg R.A.T. 7
Post by: RickyJ on Mon, 27 December 2010, 19:06:38: Friend got this mouse for Christmas when all he asked for was a $40 Razer for playing SC2. He'll be returning this mouse for a Logitech G500 on sale for $40 locally. He's a dirty sweaty mofo, this Cyborg mouse would have been full of grime in a week, haha.
Title: Cyborg R.A.T. 7
Post by: bkforyou on Tue, 08 February 2011, 00:07:04: i picked up this mouse and used it for a week. i couldn't get used to the feel and shape of the mouth. I've been using intellimouse 3.0 for years and i couldn't handle it. returned it for a deathadder.
Title: Cyborg R.A.T. 7
Post by: YpoCaramel on Sun, 13 February 2011, 00:58:21: To clarify the earlier comment: I have a RAT5, though it's not my current daily driver. I have no problem with the shape, and the adjustibility helps. I like some of the button placements - the red 'slow down' button and the two-way DPI button just below the scroll wheel (could probably set buttons to do the same thing on other mice though). But at the same time I'm not super-excited about it, it's a decent mouse and that's about it. But then again, I'm not a hardcore gamer, so strict sensor performance is not something I can comment on or really care about.
Title: Cyborg R.A.T. 7
Post by: j_r on Sun, 13 February 2011, 01:13:24: I too have a RAT5 which is my "daily driver". What got me was the thumb scroll - I have yet to take the time to find a good function for it in specific applications, mostly have it set for left - right arrows. It does have much to be desired, but doesn't every mass produced product. Really, it needs to be made out of carbon fiber and titanium... but then I couldn't afford it.
Title: Cyborg R.A.T. 7
Post by: De4dSpace on Wed, 23 February 2011, 02:04:33: Quote from: MyNameIsDan;227014
Bought it few weeks ago but returned it due to sensor issue, read here: http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=539&Itemid=65&limit=1&limitstart=4

I use the eXactMat mentioned in that review and have none of these problems. Pick it up and it tracks as soon as it's placed back on the mat. I do wipe any dust off the mat and swipe my finger over the lasers orifice every day (cat hair gets in), due to previous experience with a laser sensor (Copperhead First Edition, which used the cheapest buttons, imo, never again Razer).

Debian GNU/Linux
I had to remap the buttons (the profile button registers as a press at boot and never sends a released signal).
This thing is tough. Well designed and constructed, it does not feel cheap at all. Buttons make a firm click every time!
Title: Cyborg R.A.T. 7
Post by: De4dSpace on Wed, 23 February 2011, 02:07:46: Agreed.
Title: Cyborg R.A.T. 7
Post by: diqkiq on Mon, 28 February 2011, 17:11:32: Quote from: microsoft windows;226800
It moves around a little arrow on your screen. That hasn't been intriguing since 1985.

troll classic troll
Title: Cyborg R.A.T. 7
Post by: killy on Wed, 02 March 2011, 10:45:22: Poop (might as well descend all the way into the ****ter, right?)
Title: Cyborg R.A.T. 7
Post by: daerid on Wed, 06 April 2011, 18:07:25: I got one of these for my buddy for christmas. He let me use it for a night at his place when we were LAN'in it up.

It's now my favorite mouse ever. I kinda want to sell all my other mice to grab one of those.