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Post by: wellington1869 on Tue, 05 October 2010, 10:47:17
So all the technology for this is already in place, but they havent made it yet.

Wireless remote control camera, linked to your laptop.

Scenario: you're taking pictures of keyboards in your room.

1. We already have Eye-fi, which is brilliant, which is an sd-card that wirelessly transmits photos from the camera to your laptop.
2. We already have remote control software for cameras, if you tether the camera to your laptop via usb, you can control all its settings and activate it from the laptop. Remote control. Great for studios.

So: Why dont they build eye-fi directly into the camera, and then expand its functionality so you no longer need the usb *corded* tether for remote control?

Wireless-everything on the camera. Remote control and transfer images, both. Wouldnt this be perfect for studio work?

And while they're at it, why dont they make it 3g too? We already have wifi/3g even on ebook readers. Why not on cameras? So when  you're out in the field taking pictures, they just instantly transfer to the cloud or to your home computer. The "endless sd card".

Why do camera companies lag so far behind with technologies such as this?
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Post by: Ekaros on Tue, 05 October 2010, 11:05:40
Go and buy N8 ;D
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Post by: Oranjoose on Tue, 05 October 2010, 11:20:33
Are you talking about something like this?

http://www.adorama.com/FPRC3.html (http://www.adorama.com/FPRC3.html)
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Post by: pikapika on Tue, 05 October 2010, 11:46:05
speaking about lost technologies, i'm still waiting for vector display as there were on some terminals or the famous vectrex
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Post by: wellington1869 on Tue, 05 October 2010, 11:53:15
Quote from: ripster;230009
This stuff is everywhere.  Shoot, even Lightroom3 allows me to shoot tethered USB2.  Shoot.


ya i'm talking about untethered remote control for DSLRs (or whatever they call them these days). I can shoot (and remote control) tethered with my canon right now (yea i'm an amateur).  Why not untethered? all the technology is there if camera companies would just get off their ass and build it into the camera.
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Post by: wellington1869 on Tue, 05 October 2010, 11:55:53
Quote from: Oranjoose;230007
Are you talking about something like this?

http://www.adorama.com/FPRC3.html (http://www.adorama.com/FPRC3.html)


yes, something like that - except why not build the receiver into the camera, and build the transmitter into a computer software program thats using the laptops wifi.

so that, you know, when mossad  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossad)snaps pics of their successful 9/11 attack from nearby rooftops, they dont have to be there and get caught. ;-D
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Post by: wellington1869 on Tue, 05 October 2010, 12:01:03
everything should have 3g.
I want my pants to have 3g.
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Post by: itlnstln on Tue, 05 October 2010, 12:15:27
4g's better.  I love having it on my EVO.
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Post by: wellington1869 on Tue, 05 October 2010, 12:21:29
Quote from: itlnstln;230031
4g's better.  I love having it on my EVO.


but do you have it in your pants?
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Post by: itlnstln on Tue, 05 October 2010, 12:24:08
Right now?  Yes.
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Post by: kriminal on Tue, 05 October 2010, 12:39:11
Lmao
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Post by: Oqsy on Tue, 05 October 2010, 14:02:58
what the **** is the cloud, anyway?  people keep talking about the ****ing cloud, and I have no idea what that means.  Is that some kind of sissy-ass twitter talk?  I'm not storing any of my **** on anything referred to as "the cloud".  Kiss my ass.
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Post by: itlnstln on Tue, 05 October 2010, 14:14:51
Quote from: Oqsy;230070
what the **** is the cloud, anyway?  people keep talking about the ****ing cloud, and I have no idea what that means.  Is that some kind of sissy-ass twitter talk?  I'm not storing any of my **** on anything referred to as "the cloud".  Kiss my ass.


While I might not be as passionate as you, I fully agree.  "The cloud" is dumb.  If you don't want to learn enough about what "the cloud" is to know it's more than "a cloud," well...  Maybe those people need to store their bank statements, SSNs, and other personal information on my "cloud."

These people probably believe in Creationism, too.
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Post by: erricrice on Tue, 05 October 2010, 15:26:10
Well you see the cloud is an advanced computing term.  It is the magical place where all information goes to when it comes out of your computer and goes into the wall jackmodem.  It's where information is stored before you download it with your explorer onto your intertubes.

See Fig. 1 below:

Fig. 1

(http://img.zdnet.com/techDirectory/CLOUD.GIF)

The Cloud.  It's what MAKES the internets.
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Post by: itlnstln on Tue, 05 October 2010, 15:30:15
They couldn't even come up with a better name for it either.  "The cloud" just sounds like an adjective for something you can't describe.  At least people came up with "god," and the Greeks even had the myths.  We just say, "oh, I store a bunch of random **** in the cloud."
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Post by: erricrice on Tue, 05 October 2010, 15:59:30
Quote from: itlnstln;230096
They couldn't even come up with a better name for it either.  "The cloud" just sounds like an adjective for something you can't describe.  At least people came up with "god," and the Greeks even had the myths.  We just say, "oh, I store a bunch of random **** in the cloud."


Yeah, but no one ever said that geeks were creative(not that geeks came up with the term, cause I can't imagine they did).


Hey, you're getting dangerously close to 10k, we might have to give you a Ripster award soon!  Call iMav, this guy's a troll!
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Post by: itlnstln on Tue, 05 October 2010, 16:12:38
Quote from: erricrice;230105
Hey, you're getting dangerously close to 10k, we might have to give you a Ripster award soon!  Call iMav, this guy's a troll!


Crap, you're right.  Ripster has about twice as many posts, though, and he joined almost a year after I did.
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Post by: erricrice on Tue, 05 October 2010, 16:20:30
Quote from: itlnstln;230108
Crap, you're right.  Ripster has about twice as many posts, though, and he joined almost a year after I did.

Well, there's that.  Still, we should have an award for 10k, it's quite a milestone.  Or maybe just a temporary ban every 10k saying get a life.  Ripster would be gone way too much though...

How am I still below 600?  I am disappoint.

Quote from: kishy;230109
It's not, by far, a new term. Hipsters shouldn't be allowed to use it though.

That's the problem.  They're usually the only ones who DO use it, and thus a majority of those who use it have no idea what it means.  Thus my dissertation above.

I work with some of them....works me up a lot cause I try and reason with them.  Can't be done.
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Post by: Konrad on Tue, 05 October 2010, 16:23:14
AT&T has their own name (http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20080805/synaptic/) for the cloud.  Maybe nerds aren't creative (outside of RPGs), but at least nerds aren't all mindless bureaucratic corptards.
 
I personally view the "cloud" as more of the "risk" or "vortex".  You never know when a strong wind's gonna blow all your private data away.  Lost forever, or worse, drifted across borders so somebody/anybody else can do whatever they want with it.  Same applies for any software you buy - if it runs in the cloud then there's no real guarantee you'll ever be able to run (or reinstall) it tomorrow.
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Post by: wellington1869 on Tue, 05 October 2010, 17:03:38
Quote from: itlnstln;230108
Crap, you're right.


what are you going to do for the 10,000th post? make sure its a good one!
I suggest a penis joke.
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Post by: wellington1869 on Tue, 05 October 2010, 17:15:02
Quote

And Welly....


yea but dude these are all external solutions, i'm talking about building it into the cameras. I dont get why they havent been baked-in yet. All the technology is obviously there, why not bake it into the camera? Camera companies seem really resistant to baking it in. and i dont get that.

that said, thanks for the links, i'm checking them out. Wish they were all built into the cam though.
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Post by: Oqsy on Tue, 05 October 2010, 18:00:51
welly, how many times did you say bake in that post?
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Post by: Rajagra on Tue, 05 October 2010, 18:04:02
Quote from: Oqsy;230070
what the **** is the cloud, anyway?

It's yet another attempt to trick people into using thin clients connected to centralised computing. Only this time connected via the Internet. Yawn. When will they learn/accept that people want power on their desktops and control of their own data?

Quote from: Oqsy;230152
welly, how many times did you say bake in that post?

Welly likes to do the cooking by the book. NSFW (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQp5l4-sfFA).
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Post by: wellington1869 on Tue, 05 October 2010, 18:59:22
Quote from: Oqsy;230152
welly, how many times did you say bake in that post?


one time too many?
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Post by: wellington1869 on Tue, 05 October 2010, 19:03:28
Quote from: kishy;230138
Welly, I'm inclined to believe it's the same thing Apple likes to do with iPods (TBH, I think it kind of went out the window with the Touch though)

Provide a minimal number of included features and, in doing so, create a market for accessories to rip people off with (ex with the iPod would be FM radio).


thats probably true. well then let me go on record to say I'm agin it!
in case it isnt clear. I'm agin it! I"m agin it!

it makes the camera industry look like they're terribly behind the times (like, er, apple products are if you discount their looks ;)
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Post by: kriminal on Tue, 05 October 2010, 19:06:23
Down with teh cloud leave personal computing alone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Konrad on Tue, 05 October 2010, 19:09:10
Radio isn't baked into cameras because the moment they integrate anything which radiates it's gotta go through FCC regulations. Not only is this another hassle, but it's a delay. Worst of all, it means all your competitors can learn all about your FCCID registered product through an OET search. Your customers (ie, the public) can too, but you can lawyer a few delays before the OET records get released into public domain - still any American citizen with $$ can get the info, so claim your FCC laws.
 

Apple doesn't integrate FM radio into iToys becauseClouds are for losers. Become dependent on the whims of a provider for life? Imagine a world where you couldn't own any CDs, DVDs, or HDDs ... just a basic OS with tons of RAM; all content downloaded per use/view from a provider.
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Post by: wellington1869 on Tue, 05 October 2010, 19:17:45
alternately, if someone wants to [strike]put[/strike] bake a zoom lens into a samsung galaxy, I think it has all the other features already.
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Post by: wellington1869 on Tue, 05 October 2010, 19:20:47
bake, I say bake!

(http://echostains.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/50s-housewife-all-mod-cons.jpg)
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Post by: Konrad on Tue, 05 October 2010, 19:45:25
Konrad idly wonders in third person wtf chairman beaker's been smoking.
 
Ah, isn't the whole point behind professional cameras that you can mix & match all your lenses and accessories as desired?  Why would you [strike]integrate[/strike] bake a zoom lens into the camera when most pictures taken by most people most of the time would use a normal lens?
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_HXaPyG-SY44/S9nMCT5W88I/AAAAAAAABxc/rwCtIxPZ9JM/s1600/hx1beaker.jpg)
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Post by: wellington1869 on Tue, 05 October 2010, 23:09:27
Quote from: Konrad;230196
Konrad idly wonders in third person wtf chairman beaker's been smoking.

beaker's baked!

(Editor: Lack of photoshop skills prevents Welly from inserting beaker into this image.)

(http://www.deccanchronicle.com/files/Smoke-on-the-water-190510.jpg)
 
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Ah, isn't the whole point behind professional cameras that you can mix & match all your lenses and accessories as desired?  Why would you [strike]integrate[/strike] bake a zoom lens into the camera when most pictures taken by most people most of the time would use a normal lens?


well its just my way of saying i'd like a camera with 3g, wifi, gps, and apps :) and a cell phone baked in too.
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Post by: Konrad on Wed, 06 October 2010, 00:00:30
Quote from: wellington1869
beaker's baked!
... Lack of photoshop skills ...
Pah!  Who needs photoshop?  That's what ripster's nigerian hordes are for.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f388/peterstoymuseum/BeakerGrassHead001.jpg)
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Post by: didjamatic on Wed, 06 October 2010, 00:07:39
Welly's morning pump up video (http://tinyurl.com/36xy6f)
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Post by: wellington1869 on Wed, 06 October 2010, 00:19:21
Quote from: didjamatic;230309
Welly's morning pump up video (http://tinyurl.com/36xy6f)


lol! brilliant ;)
favorited ;)

Quote from: Konrad;230303
 That's what ripster's nigerian hordes are for.


i need a nigerian horde. Maybe i can pick one up for cheap on craigslist.
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Post by: Konrad on Wed, 06 October 2010, 00:20:21
Welly's OTHER morning pump up video. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAtBki0PsC0)
 
[Edit]
 
Googling "nigerian horde" I found this (http://www.zimbio.com/Forex+Trading/articles/h_3ZgIRn9-R/Nigeria+Prison+Break+Nigerian+officials+search) in the top five.  Finders, keepers - it's a race against the officials!
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Post by: audioave10 on Wed, 06 October 2010, 00:48:50
ROFL...

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Post by: Ekaros on Wed, 06 October 2010, 03:23:20
Quote from: ripster;230149
Hey, that sounds like what the PC Gaming Companies do to the guys/gals at OCN!  Can't make money selling software every 5 years to hard core players so let's extract lots of money from them for glowing keyboards and $129 Cyborg RAT 9 Mice!  Nice looking mouse but $130?
Show Image
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31OKXd27JAL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)


I think almost all members on this forum are disqualified from commenting on perephial prices...
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Post by: mike on Wed, 06 October 2010, 03:36:07
Quote from: kishy;230109
Ahem, yeah, cloud is in fact a technical term for, in essence, networks outside of your control that are in between you and where you want to be...more or less.


The funny thing is that the cloud symbol has very frequently been used for decades for networks that we can't be bothered to draw, and of course the Internet. I guess some management type woke up at the wrong point in a PowerPoint presentation and came away with the idea that the Internet sat on a puffy cloud or something.
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Post by: Konrad on Wed, 06 October 2010, 06:04:35
Quote from: Ekaros
I think almost all members on this forum are disqualified from commenting on perephial prices...
I agree.  Every time I've reported a price I've been attacked for it.  I've decided to never state prices > $20 unless I'm shopping (or more accurately, letting others go shopping) for better deals ...
 
This time I'll make an exception.
Ripster's price quote was accurate, assuming you're buying through the Cyborg (http://www.cyborggaming.com/prod/rat9.htm) site and an American distributor, otherwise it'll likely cost you more.  $130 is about middle of the road for "high end" gaming mice, and peanuts compared to some of the (professional grade) digitizers and tablets.  (I actually use a Ghost MX8000 (http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3314#ov), not hardware-reconfigurable, but better specs, better price, ~$60 though I paid about $80 going through foreign channels.)
 
Now ... :focus: