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geekhack Marketplace => Interest Checks => Topic started by: well_cooper on Mon, 13 March 2023, 05:33:10

Title: [IC] Join65 - Affordable, Easy to Build 65%
Post by: well_cooper on Mon, 13 March 2023, 05:33:10
Join65% - Affordable, Easy to Build 65%

Good day GH! This is an interest check for the Join65: the entry-level 65 with flare. Thocc Supply is happy to bring Join65 by Knife Lab to the community. We have a fully CNC’d aluminium case, gorgeous colourways with interchangeable sides and oh-so-glossy PVD weights and badges, all in one affordable, easy-to-assemble kit.

(https://i.imgur.com/j0GANI3.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/olpsjNl.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/QyMWumR.png)

Spec TLDR:
CNC’d aluminium case
PVD weights and badges
Plate foam gasket mount
7-degree typing angle, front height ~20mm
Flex-cut hot-swap 1.2mm PCB (VIA ready)
Size 324mm x 135.5mm x 33.4 (thickest) mm
1.15~1.2kg net or ~1.38kg built
Custom moulded carry case
Price (TBC) ~ $150 USD


PCB Specs:
Multi-layout hot-swap PCB as standard (soldered PCB available as an extra)
Flex cut 1.2mm PCB with VIA support (flex cut TBD)
(https://i.imgur.com/S1X54D6.jpg)
Hot Swap Layout (Production run layout TBD)
(https://i.imgur.com/n3yMihY.jpg)
Solder PCBLayout


Colourways:
(https://i.imgur.com/k4rI8NS.jpg)
Blue top with E-White bottom and silver PVD weight
Blue top with Silver bottom and silver PVD weight
Purple top with Black bottom and black PVD weight
Black top with Black bottom and black PVD weight
E-Beige top with E-beige bottom and silver PVD weight
E-White top with Burnt Orange bottom and gold PVD weight

Exploded
(https://i.imgur.com/3GJf2X5.jpg)

Planned Standard Kit ContentsExtras
Top and bottom case Foam pack
BadgeFull aluminium plate
Hotswap PCBFull PC plate
FR4 plateSolder PCB
Rubber feetSide pieces pack
Plate foam and anti-static sheetBadges
Stabilizer bundle deal

After 2 rounds of prototyping, final samples will be sent out for reviews and build stream, stay tunned for typing test videos and stream announcements!  At the same time, we are looking for your  feedback and thoughts on a few things in the IC form (eg, Flex cuts on the PCB etc)


Streamer / Youtube build (TBC)
CreatorLinkDate / Time
SwitchDoctorhttps://www.twitch.tv/switchdoctorauAEST 5PM on 26th March
Warmthoughtshttps://www.twitch.tv/warmthoughtsAEST 7PM on 3rd April
CaptainSterlinghttps://www.twitch.tv/thecaptainsterlingApril 12th @ 8:30 CST
Alexotoshttps://www.twitch.tv/alexotosMay 6th @ 1pm CST
nearLucidhttps://www.twitch.tv/nearlucidApril 22nd @ 12PM CST

Vendor
USA - KeebsForAll (https://keebsforall.com/)
Canada - Shockport Keyboards (https://shockport.com/)
Europe - KeyGem (https://keygem.com/)
UK - Proto[Typist] (https://prototypist.net/)
Vietnam - Uniqmeck (https://uniqmeck.store)
Thailand - NTCH Keys (https://www.facebook.com/NTCHKeys)
Indonesia - Mechaland.ID (https://mechaland.id/)
Malaysia - MKB.MY (https://mkbmalaysia.com/)
South Korea - TBC
OCE - Thocc Supply (https://thocc.supply/)

IC form https://forms.gle/WcWJkBpVkJfN6aoe9
Render Album - https://imgur.com/a/nW98mV5
Prototype Album - https://imgur.com/a/jVR5N48
Join Discord - Click HERE (https://discord.gg/MuSr7fZx3N)













Title: Re: [IC] Join65 - Affordable, Easy to Build 65%
Post by: well_cooper on Mon, 13 March 2023, 05:35:13
RESERVED
Title: Re: [IC] Join65 - Affordable, Easy to Build 65%
Post by: stewfayew on Mon, 13 March 2023, 12:40:22
I hope the sides are optional for those of us who don't want sides
Title: Re: [IC] Join65 - Affordable, Easy to Build 65%
Post by: well_cooper on Tue, 14 March 2023, 03:50:31
Quote from: stewfayew on Mon, 13 March 2023, 12:40:22
I hope the sides are optional for those of us who don't want sides

Standard Kit come with 2 and you definitely need them for assembly
Title: Re: [IC] Join65 - Affordable, Easy to Build 65%
Post by: Lewis_Lyron on Tue, 14 March 2023, 04:11:47
So many parts are still a test of machining precision.
Title: Re: [IC] Join65 - Affordable, Easy to Build 65%
Post by: PlayBox on Tue, 14 March 2023, 13:48:45
sounded interesting at first but then i saw 1.2mm pcb plateless gasket mount flex cuts and foam. its just yet another very flexy board. a pass for me
Title: Re: [IC] Join65 - Affordable, Easy to Build 65%
Post by: aicyborg on Tue, 14 March 2023, 18:56:42
If you're making this for beginners, please consider a hotswap ISO option. It'll make this more attractive to a wider audience of European hobbyists and making ISO more accessible's always a good thing.

Please feel free to not have flex cuts. That would be 100% fine. :thumb:

My chief concern reading your IC here is the proposed $150USD price point. How confident are you in that? It's quite unconventional with the separate side pieces that'll need to be machined and I assume mounted in a relatively secure manner. How confident are you you can hit $150 with all of the machining this will likely require?
Title: Re: [IC] Join65 - Affordable, Easy to Build 65%
Post by: well_cooper on Wed, 15 March 2023, 06:55:58
Quote from: PlayBox on Tue, 14 March 2023, 13:48:45
sounded interesting at first but then i saw 1.2mm pcb plateless gasket mount flex cuts and foam. its just yet another very flexy board. a pass for me

We are taking numbers on the flex cut (Y/N) in the IC form, feel free to fill it out

Quote from: aicyborg on Tue, 14 March 2023, 18:56:42
If you're making this for beginners, please consider a hotswap ISO option. It'll make this more attractive to a wider audience of European hobbyists and making ISO more accessible's always a good thing.

Please feel free to not have flex cuts. That would be 100% fine. :thumb:

My chief concern reading your IC here is the proposed $150USD price point. How confident are you in that? It's quite unconventional with the separate side pieces that'll need to be machined and I assume mounted in a relatively secure manner. How confident are you you can hit $150 with all of the machinings this will likely require?

Thank you, we are also taking feedback on if ISO option needs to be added to the production PCB, feel free to leave your opinion in the IC form.

Regards to the side pieces mounting, there are two screws per piece to secure it to the bottom case,  so far prototypes have shown it is not going anywhere with everyday use.

In terms of quality per price I'm very confident that Knife Lab has the capability and know-how to make a full production run happen at prototype standard  (IMO very good). I'll let the reviewer/streamer do the talking over fit and finish.

To maintain this price we did have to make a few design considerations, no crazy curves, monster weights / expensive materials, or hard-to-machine edges while trying to make it not a TOFU like. The result of all that effort means RRP $150
Title: Re: [IC] Join65 - Affordable, Easy to Build 65%
Post by: HugoChowsky on Fri, 17 March 2023, 05:47:40
Quote
Plate foam gasket mount

I don't see any mounting tabs on the plate foam? How is it mounted?
Title: Re: [IC] Join65 - Affordable, Easy to Build 65%
Post by: well_cooper on Sat, 18 March 2023, 04:47:54
Quote from: HugoChowsky on Fri, 17 March 2023, 05:47:40
Quote
Plate foam gasket mount

I don't see any mounting tabs on the plate foam? How is it mounted?

The plate foam is bigger than the plate, resting on the ledge on the bottom case, similar to O-Ring mounting method
Title: Re: [IC] Join65 - Affordable, Easy to Build 65%
Post by: well_cooper on Sat, 25 March 2023, 21:34:00
Join65 first stream build will be held by SwitchDoctor @ 5PM AEST Today (26th March), see you there
Title: Re: [IC] Join65 - Affordable, Easy to Build 65%
Post by: digitalnothing on Sun, 26 March 2023, 00:36:30
This looks very interesting but am I understanding right, according to the graphic the silicone goes over the plate?
Title: Re: [IC] Join65 - Affordable, Easy to Build 65%
Post by: well_cooper on Mon, 03 April 2023, 04:13:00
Quote from: digitalnothing on Sun, 26 March 2023, 00:36:30
This looks very interesting but am I understanding right, according to the graphic the silicone goes over the plate?

Yes that's correct, though it's an optional install. Board works fine without it
Title: Re: [IC] Join65 - Affordable, Easy to Build 65%
Post by: Necrolegion on Tue, 09 May 2023, 18:42:12
Can you please tell us which colors correspond to which render? Your colors on IC are different from the GB colors.

GB Colors are:
E-White Copper
Beige
Teal Blue
Black
Panda
Frost

I cannot seem to find purple on the GB, unless Frost is purple. I'm assuming Panda is just E-White on Black.
Title: Re: [IC] Join65 - Affordable, Easy to Build 65%
Post by: larryellison on Mon, 18 September 2023, 23:35:49
Quote from: well_cooper on Mon, 13 March 2023, 05:33:10
Join65% - Affordable, Easy to Build 65%

Good day GH! This is an interest check for the Join65: the entry-level 65 with flare. Thocc Supply is happy to bring Join65 by Knife Lab to the community. We have a fully CNC’d aluminium case, gorgeous colourways with interchangeable sides and oh-so-glossy PVD weights and badges, all in one affordable, easy-to-assemble kit.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/j0GANI3.jpg)

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/olpsjNl.png)

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/QyMWumR.png)

Spec TLDR:
CNC’d aluminium case
PVD weights and badges
Plate foam gasket mount
7-degree typing angle, front height ~20mm
Flex-cut hot-swap 1.2mm PCB (VIA ready)
Size 324mm x 135.5mm x 33.4 (thickest) mm
1.15~1.2kg net or ~1.38kg built
Custom moulded carry case
Price (TBC) ~ $150 USD


PCB Specs:
Multi-layout hot-swap PCB as standard (soldered PCB available as an extra)
Flex cut 1.2mm PCB with VIA support (flex cut TBD)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/S1X54D6.jpg)

Hot Swap Layout (Production run layout TBD)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/n3yMihY.jpg)

Solder PCBLayout


Colourways:
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/k4rI8NS.jpg)

Blue top with E-White bottom and silver PVD weight
Blue top with Silver bottom and silver PVD weight
Purple top with Black bottom and black PVD weight
Black top with Black bottom and black PVD weight
E-Beige top with E-beige bottom and silver PVD weight
E-White top with Burnt Orange bottom and gold PVD weight

Exploded
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/3GJf2X5.jpg)

Planned Standard Kit ContentsExtras
Top and bottom case Foam pack
BadgeFull aluminium plate
Hotswap PCBFull PC plate
FR4 plateSolder PCB
Rubber feetSide pieces pack
Plate foam and anti-static sheetBadges
Stabilizer bundle deal

After 2 rounds of prototyping, final samples will be sent out for reviews and build stream, stay tunned for typing test videos and stream announcements!  At the same time, we are looking for your  feedback and thoughts on a few things in the IC form (eg, Flex cuts on the PCB etc)


Streamer / Youtube build (TBC)
CreatorLinkDate / Time
SwitchDoctorhttps://www.twitch.tv/switchdoctorau geometry dash bloodbath (https://geometrydashbloodbath.com)AEST 5PM on 26th March
Warmthoughtshttps://www.twitch.tv/warmthoughtsAEST 7PM on 3rd April
CaptainSterlinghttps://www.twitch.tv/thecaptainsterlingApril 12th @ 8:30 CST
Alexotoshttps://www.twitch.tv/alexotosMay 6th @ 1pm CST
nearLucidhttps://www.twitch.tv/nearlucidApril 22nd @ 12PM CST

Vendor
USA - KeebsForAll (https://keebsforall.com/)
Canada - Shockport Keyboards (https://shockport.com/)
Europe - KeyGem (https://keygem.com/)
UK - Proto[Typist] (https://prototypist.net/)
Vietnam - Uniqmeck (https://uniqmeck.store)
Thailand - NTCH Keys (https://www.facebook.com/NTCHKeys)
Indonesia - Mechaland.ID (https://mechaland.id/)
Malaysia - MKB.MY (https://mkbmalaysia.com/)
South Korea - TBC
OCE - Thocc Supply (https://thocc.supply/)

IC form https://forms.gle/WcWJkBpVkJfN6aoe9
Render Album - https://imgur.com/a/nW98mV5
Prototype Album - https://imgur.com/a/jVR5N48
Join Discord - Click HERE (https://discord.gg/MuSr7fZx3N)



Thocc Supply is so great. The community has access to Join65 by Knife Lab. With luxurious design. Eye-catching colors and especially easy to assemble, it will become the hottest product on the market.