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Title: [IC] Fox Lab Sand Glass Ergo (70% Ergo) | GB will end at 05/18/2023
Post by: ClickClack.io on Sun, 26 March 2023, 08:48:53

   
(https://i.imgur.com/BJJyE4X.jpg)

Sand Glass Ergo - 70% FRL Ergo
Designed by Fox Lab
Index
 
- Intro
- Inspiration
- Design
- Structure
- Colourways
- Sale Details
- Gallery
- Unboxing, Building & Typing Sound
- Socials

GroupBuy Post (pending) (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=120295)
 
Intro
 
Hi everyone, welcome back to another ClickClack-run project, this time coming from one of our previous partners, Fox Lab! Sand Glass 80% was Fox Lab’s first keyboard with an Ergo layout. This time, we plan to continue with the Sand Glass design and release a 70% Ergo keyboard called Sand Glass FRL. Based on the original 80% design, we have removed the F-row, also we call it “small sand glass”. The small sand glass inherits the design concept of the Sand Glass 80%, with its shape and frame naturally outlining the image of a "sand glass".

(https://i.imgur.com/oZrfatu.png)

Inspiration

The simplified layout of the small sand glass keyboard brings a more compact size design, making it lighter and more refined compared to the 80%. From the appearance, it seems like only the F-row has been removed, but in reality, we have made many adjustments to the key layout. First, we adjusted the overall width and length of the appearance, and then arranged the keys more compactly according to the layout, making the key layout and frame harmonious and unified. The result is making the layout more exquisite and coordinated.

(https://i.imgur.com/ifAAnRi.png)

Design

In terms of the appearance design of the keyboard body, the initial idea was to retain the original flavor of the sand glass, so there was no extra design on the front. Adding a light or engraving a word felt unnecessary for the sand glass since it has already made significant adjustments compared to the traditional Ergo layout. Based on the original 0 to 12-degree turn, the sand glass was split into three sections of 0, 6, and 12-degree turns, optimizing and reducing the gaps caused by the turns, making the final transition more natural and the gap between keycaps smaller. Therefore, the overall shape looks more coordinated and flat, and with the “沙漏" image of the matching wrist rest, we decided not to make any more changes in case we spoil the results.

(https://i.imgur.com/mRCRkjP.png)

The structure still uses a three-layer design, with contrasting colors between the middle frame, wrist rest, and outer case to enrich the color hierarchy of the keyboard. The wiring is still concentrated in the middle layer to simplify the installation process, and the bottom case has no screws for a cleaner and simpler look. A shock-absorbing layer is also added between the middle layer and the bottom case to achieve a certain degree of buffering effect, similar to a softened table mat.

(https://i.imgur.com/5hfKoqM.png)

Structure

Typing angle of the small sand glass is 8 degree, and the Gasket design of the left and right partition is used to separate the plate and PCB, which can reduce the impact of excessively long single structure on the feel, and ensure the soft and elastic feeling while increasing stability, as well as being relatively close in the horizontal direction. The plate still uses the hollowed-out design of 80%, but it is not so extreme, and more consideration is given to its consistency and stability.

(https://i.imgur.com/NAXUkJM.png)

PCB and Layouts

PCB has two options, both QMK and VIA compatible:

(https://i.imgur.com/stfJtSS.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ntpK5nn.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ltu425W.jpg)
└ Hotswap: standard ANSI FRL TKL Ergo layout
(https://i.imgur.com/Q0evXuY.jpg)
└ Soldered: ANSI FRL TKL Ergo layout, stepped caps support, split left shift support, split backspace support

Colourways

(https://i.imgur.com/hNi782k.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/E6WSMKr.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/lYLAOfB.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/43xwoK9.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/SAOJnfi.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/dypZ3LM.png)

There will also be a carbon fibre wrist-rest top piece upgrade offered, for around $475 total with the base board, and as an additional CF wrist-rest top piece for around $58:

(https://i.imgur.com/YIgKdbu.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/uvR4ozk.jpg)

Q&A

What will be the estimated pricing?
Price is estimated to be around $435, but this is possibly subject to change. Accurate pricing will be available before GB.

When will the groupbuy start?
We are looking to start it around April or early May, depending on various factors!
 
Will this be unlimited groupbuy?
This will be limited to 400 units~

Are we able to buy the wristrest without the keyboard?
Unfortunately this is not possible right now! You are allowed to buy the keyboard without the wristrest however, this price will be around $405, subject to change!

Gallery

Main Imgur Album (https://imgur.com/a/N24RkzY)
Extended Gallery (https://imgur.com/a/urAA6Rb)

Unboxing, Building & Typing Sound


nearLucid

LightningXI

Interested?

This group buy will be handled by ClickClack.io. Please contact the platform for more information.

Join Fox Lab's Discord:
(https://i.imgur.com/9KrZ8aW.jpg) (https://discord.gg/gr6ZBB9xXy)

Join ClickClack’s Discord for latest update, discussion, questions:
(https://i.imgur.com/17DX5S4.png) (https://discord.gg/xwQD2CVNfA)

Fill in Interest Check Form:
(https://i.imgur.com/1hsN5Tt.jpg) (https://forms.gle/UzWzhLn41ryAXh4ZA)

Follow ClickClack's IG for other new projects:
(https://i.imgur.com/vRkOP02.png) (https://www.instagram.com/clickclack_io/)
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Title: Re: [IC] Fox Lab Sand Glass Ergo (70% Alice)
Post by: hkhawk on Sun, 26 March 2023, 09:12:49
Will there be the option for a plate without the skeleton cuts?
Title: Re: [IC] Fox Lab Sand Glass Ergo (70% Alice)
Post by: Gnome on Sun, 26 March 2023, 09:27:29
The interest check link goes to the sunset80 one. Carrying case would be nice, and +1 for a non-skeleton plate.
Title: Re: [IC] Fox Lab Sand Glass Ergo (70% Alice)
Post by: Tictac46 on Sun, 26 March 2023, 10:28:00
+1 for a non skeleton plate
Title: Re: [IC] Fox Lab Sand Glass Ergo (70% Alice)
Post by: ClickClack.io on Sun, 26 March 2023, 10:48:18
The interest check link goes to the sunset80 one. Carrying case would be nice, and +1 for a non-skeleton plate.

Hi there, it was a bug on the Forms not saving changes, can you try again with the new link (changed in the post)?~
Title: Re: [IC] Fox Lab Sand Glass Ergo (70% Alice)
Post by: ClickClack.io on Sun, 26 March 2023, 11:10:00
Will there be the option for a plate without the skeleton cuts?

+1 for a non skeleton plate

The IC form now has an option to request non-skeleton plate, and if interest is high enough, we will request Fox Lab to offer one  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Fox Lab Sand Glass Ergo (70% Alice)
Post by: DirtyGingy on Sun, 26 March 2023, 12:04:41
Winkeyless means it's not for me. And you have plenty of space for it too
Title: Re: [IC] Fox Lab Sand Glass Ergo (70% Alice)
Post by: Dyno on Sun, 26 March 2023, 12:13:10
Winkeyless means it's not for me. And you have plenty of space for it too
Unlike a regular WKL board, this one (like most Alice-style boards) has 5 keys on it's bottom row. So you have plenty of keys to choose from to make one of them your Winkey
In fact, the 1u key besides the spacebar is what most people (including myself) use as a Winkey without having to change layer
If that position is somehow not comfortable for you, you have a Fn/Layer key besides the RShift
Title: Re: [IC] Fox Lab Sand Glass Ergo (70% Alice)
Post by: kajahtaa on Sun, 26 March 2023, 12:44:13
This looks awesome 

Btw https://github.com/qmk/qmk_firmware/blob/master/keyboards/tgr/alice/keymaps/default/keymap.c

LGUI right there in default layout since og Alice 
Title: Re: [IC] Fox Lab Sand Glass Ergo (70% Alice)
Post by: fortsch on Sun, 26 March 2023, 13:58:16
The original sand glass looks awesome and so does this. I'm in for one without the skeletal plate.
Title: Re: [IC] Fox Lab Sand Glass Ergo (70% Alice)
Post by: 51p50x on Sun, 26 March 2023, 18:15:54
Looks good, +1 for the non-skeleton plate.
Title: Re: [IC] Fox Lab Sand Glass Ergo (70% Alice)
Post by: Eggplant on Sun, 26 March 2023, 19:33:06
Interested!
Title: Re: [IC] Fox Lab Sand Glass Ergo (70% Alice)
Post by: BlivionIaG on Mon, 27 March 2023, 03:24:36
Very interested 👀, that dark green 👀
Title: Re: [IC] Fox Lab Sand Glass Ergo (70% Ergo)
Post by: nostr on Thu, 30 March 2023, 08:14:40
Is the pink ano or coated?
Title: Re: [IC] Fox Lab Sand Glass Ergo (70% Alice)
Post by: mr_foggy on Thu, 30 March 2023, 09:30:57
Winkeyless means it's not for me. And you have plenty of space for it too
l2layers
Title: Re: [IC] Fox Lab Sand Glass Ergo (70% Ergo)
Post by: BlivionIaG on Mon, 03 April 2023, 18:26:14
Curve is so hot  :eek: :p
Title: Re: [IC] Fox Lab Sand Glass Ergo (70% Ergo)
Post by: ClickClack.io on Wed, 12 April 2023, 06:34:55
Is the pink ano or coated?
The colorways are E-pink, E-beige, E-purple, Ano-silver, Ano-army green, Ano-dark blue :D
Title: Re: [IC] Fox Lab Sand Glass Ergo (70% Ergo)
Post by: Gerevala on Thu, 13 April 2023, 07:24:51
OMG, love this plate
Title: Re: [IC] Fox Lab Sand Glass Ergo (70% Ergo)
Post by: ClickClack.io on Mon, 24 April 2023, 22:35:31
Curve is so hot  :eek: :p
OMG, love this plate


Thanks for your love. ;D

Title: Re: [IC] Fox Lab Sand Glass Ergo (70% Ergo)
Post by: uigofermagic on Tue, 25 April 2023, 02:55:29
Very unique with the design being an FRL!
Title: Re: [IC] Fox Lab Sand Glass Ergo (70% Ergo)
Post by: fortsch on Fri, 28 April 2023, 09:29:29
Apperantly GB is starting within 2 week according to eloquentclicks discord.

Do we have a update on if a non-skeletal plate will be available?
Title: Re: [IC] Fox Lab Sand Glass Ergo (70% Ergo)
Post by: Nascent on Sat, 29 April 2023, 08:53:32
Apperantly GB is starting within 2 week according to eloquentclicks discord.

Do we have a update on if a non-skeletal plate will be available?
According to LightningXI's typing sounds video from yesterday "I provided feedback that I would prefer that there were a non-skeleton aluminum plate option -- as a response, there will be a regular, non-skeleton aluminum plate option added to the GB as an add-on buyable item"

Title: Re: [IC] Fox Lab Sand Glass Ergo (70% Ergo)
Post by: ClickClack.io on Sun, 30 April 2023, 03:20:11
Apperantly GB is starting within 2 week according to eloquentclicks discord.

Do we have a update on if a non-skeletal plate will be available?
According to LightningXI's typing sounds video from yesterday "I provided feedback that I would prefer that there were a non-skeleton aluminum plate option -- as a response, there will be a regular, non-skeleton aluminum plate option added to the GB as an add-on buyable item"
Yes, that's right!
Title: Re: [IC] Fox Lab Sand Glass Ergo (70% Ergo)
Post by: RLKeebs on Sun, 07 May 2023, 13:49:44
Apperantly GB is starting within 2 week according to eloquentclicks discord.

Do we have a update on if a non-skeletal plate will be available?
According to LightningXI's typing sounds video from yesterday "I provided feedback that I would prefer that there were a non-skeleton aluminum plate option -- as a response, there will be a regular, non-skeleton aluminum plate option added to the GB as an add-on buyable item"
Yes, that's right!

Great to hear that there will be a non-skeleton plate option! Will there be a typing test comparing the two?
Title: Re: [IC] Fox Lab Sand Glass Ergo (70% Ergo)
Post by: mangostan on Tue, 09 May 2023, 18:29:30
excited for this  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] Fox Lab Sand Glass Ergo (70% Ergo) | GB will be live soon
Post by: ClickClack.io on Wed, 10 May 2023, 00:05:45
Hi guys,

This will be our Group Buy post once approved by mods:

GroupBuy Post (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=120295)

Thank you!