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geekhack Community => Off Topic => Topic started by: tp4tissue on Fri, 02 June 2023, 01:54:14
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So, online peeps complaining that D4 is just D3 + 10 years and no progress.
Here's the thing though, if anyone is still playing video games 10 years apart, they probably became an adult.
So, is the problem that the games haven't improved, or that NO-Game would really be that interesting to adults, as most gameplay elements of Action RPGs are grindy.
Where Grindy in real life (adult life) is something they "pay you" to do, rather than you "pay them" to experience, such as washing dishes.
What exactly are adults expecting out of these "games."
Are we asking for things which do not exist given the reality that is "Growing Up" and "Aging Out" ?
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Tried the demo, it was better than D3, but still felt nowhere near as engaging as D2 ever did. It's so tragic they turned away from that magic formula of actual character building.
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I liked D3 for what it was, but found the post-game Paragon system to be kinda lazy and it just wound up feeling like MMO-style gear grinding.
Reaper Of Souls was great content though, I thoroughly enjoyed the story and levels for the dlc.
Prolly give D4 a try when they hammer out a major update patch
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D4, imo, plays alot better than D3 did - the skill tree and focus tree appears to be more refined and allow better/stronger builds. I plan on picking up a copy today more than likely since I am at a stale point on Destiny 2 (only 2nd week into a new season, and already done with what I need for now lol).
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post-game MMO-style gear grinding.
This is every ARPG though. Certain ones like Souls doesn't force you to play equipment only, but behind the scenes, it's the same table of values driving the game, emphasis on physical exertion/timing is not really a departure from table elements, it just appears that way, cognitively we're running the same cost/benefit analysis.
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Any D2 players at all here? xD
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Tried the demo, it was better than D3, but still felt nowhere near as engaging as D2 ever did. It's so tragic they turned away from that magic formula of actual character building.
Where to download the demo chryos, tp4 doesn't see an option on the battle.net app. Were you in the beta?
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Tried the demo, it was better than D3, but still felt nowhere near as engaging as D2 ever did. It's so tragic they turned away from that magic formula of actual character building.
Where to download the demo chryos, tp4 doesn't see an option on the battle.net app. Were you in the beta?
Eh yeah, now that you mention it, it was indeed a beta ':D . I'm guessing they don't offer a demo option anymore.
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Any D2 players at all here? xD
F*** yeah! ;D
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Any D2 players at all here? xD
F*** yeah! ;D
the new one, or the original?
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Any D2 players at all here? xD
F*** yeah! ;D
the new one, or the original?
Hundreds of hours on original.
Almost finished new one, also good, but I like to switch to old graphics during gameplay :D
Original was phenomenal. I spent whole vacation period between 1st and 2nd year of uni (2000). My friend travelled 700km with his PC and stayed at my place for a month, we played Diablo 2 for 15 hours a day, just taking break for eating and some short siteseeing (back then I lived in polish mountains area, pure highlands, but still, Diablo was more important :D).
So yeah, I'm a hardcore OG Diablo 2 player.
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Any D2 players at all here? xD
F*** yeah! ;D
the new one, or the original?
Hundreds of hours on original.
Almost finished new one, also good, but I like to switch to old graphics during gameplay :D
Original was phenomenal. I spent whole vacation period between 1st and 2nd year of uni (2000). My friend travelled 700km with his PC and stayed at my place for a month, we played Diablo 2 for 15 hours a day, just taking break for eating and some short siteseeing (back then I lived in polish mountains area, pure highlands, but still, Diablo was more important :D).
So yeah, I'm a hardcore OG Diablo 2 player.
Me too, I've spent so much time on the original I wouldn't be able to even estimate it.
I like the remaster as well! Adds a lot of QoL, although of course we had mods for that for the old one. Still, like it a lot. I was disappointed beyond consolation when D3 betrayed D2's legacy so much. D4 seems better, but doesn't capture the magic as well either.
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My friend travelled 700km with his PC and stayed at my place for a month, we played Diablo 2 for 15 hours a day, just taking break for eating and some short siteseeing
Glad I'm too old (I was over 30 before I even touched a personal computer) to get involved with gaming.
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My friend travelled 700km with his PC and stayed at my place for a month, we played Diablo 2 for 15 hours a day, just taking break for eating and some short siteseeing
Glad I'm too old (I was over 30 before I even touched a personal computer) to get involved with gaming.
You can still do it, you just need to consume a medically significant quantity of d0ritos + mountain dew
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Honestly, I really like Doritos (the original cheese ones) and buy a bag at least once a month, but Mountain Dew (which was originally produced in my hometown, and I remember the catch phrase from the old TV commercials "They's a thang in ev'r bottle!") has always been nasty to me - as a kid I was a loyal Coke drinker (with an occasional 7-Up or its later superior competitor Sprite (and I remember when that came out)). As an adult, tonic water (quinine water) was my preferred soft drink until around the turn of the millennium when removed most all ridiculous forms of sugar from my diet.
Today I probably average spending at least a few minutes a day on word puzzles and/or Solitaire, but that is pretty much it. There have been times that I enjoyed doing visual puzzles, too, like blocks or balloons, but none of them have interested me much in recent years.
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Gaming is a fantastic way to keep you busy if you're incapable of doing nothing for a span of five seconds or more without going insane. It's the ADD dream black hole.
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The classes are really boring and basic in D4, it feels like they are just copying D2 base classes and there's nothing weird like Witch Doc, Monk, or Demon Hunter. If anything this makes me appreciate the specialized classes from D3 much more. At this point I feel forced to play barb again, maybe Druid. The other 3 classes have zero appeal to me mechanic wise.
Almost certinally they will reveal 2-4 more classes, and I would bet my ass one of them will be Amazon as a callback to D2.
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yea, they're holding out for dlc.
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The classes are really boring and basic in D4, it feels like they are just copying D2 base classes and there's nothing weird like Witch Doc, Monk, or Demon Hunter. If anything this makes me appreciate the specialized classes from D3 much more. At this point I feel forced to play barb again, maybe Druid. The other 3 classes have zero appeal to me mechanic wise.
Almost certinally they will reveal 2-4 more classes, and I would bet my ass one of them will be Amazon as a callback to D2.
I really like the classes they went with tbh, but the game disappointed me because a) character customisation is still kinda bland b) the music sucks c) limited procedural generation. Might still be good but wasn't convinced by the free weekend. Obviously better than D3 at least but just not sure about it.
Might still pick it up later but at $70 it feels like far too high a price point to take a gamble.