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Title: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: nostyle_au on Sat, 03 June 2023, 05:31:22
GB THREAD LIVE (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=121551.0)


KKB Miami Nights

Discord (https://discord.gg/YkjTGe7G2w) | IC Form (https://forms.gle/inWrrSF52DCotND56)

With the success of KKB Miami Dawn, I am pleased to announce Nights, manufactured by Keykobo.

This set will not run until production of Miami Dawn is complete and customers are satisfied with their product.

Kitting:

(https://imgur.com/gKr2HqL.png)
Most in one base kit featuring support for many layouts including varying bars.

(https://imgur.com/fbceNPP.png)
International kit to be offered in regions that it serves.

Colours:

This time we have magenta and cyan on black. MG1, TU2, GE1 and CR. Keykobo is capable of matching GMK colours 1:1. Please refer to samples below.

Samples:
More
(https://imgur.com/zyeBzQ1.jpg)
Top is KKB, bottom is GMK. Colours are matched 1:1 and have been observed under multiple temperature lights to confirm.

Vendors:

OCE: Daily Clack
USA: Mekibo
CA: Apex Keyboards
EU: Keygem
UK: proto[Typist]
SEA: Hex Keyboards
MENA: Sandkeys
CN: ZFrontier

Pricing:

Base - $94.99 US pricing, other regions will price based off this. MOQ 200
International - ~€30 - Pricing will be at roughly cost. MOQ 50

Dates:

6 October 2023 - 6 November 2023

Collabs:

Maison of the West
Sinpra Caps

Board Renders:

(https://imgur.com/nimaWvi.png)

(https://imgur.com/O1RDJWd.png)
Poisson by elvenmonster

(https://imgur.com/dKMQL47.png)

(https://imgur.com/fptSGkU.png)
Type-B by bababaul

Renders are made to be close to reality, please keep in mind that differences in displays as well as the way colour is perceived based on surroundings and lighting of a space may result in slightly different results.
All colours are matched 1:1 with GMK stock colours and as such the best way to get a feel for the set is to check a GMK colour ring.

To do:

- Deskmat maybe? Nah
- Confirm kitting based on IC feedback (Icon vs icon + text is in IC pls fill out)
- - Consider front print
- Determine vendors
- Set pricing
- Organise GB dates


Thanks to:

- all supporters of my past and future projects
- onecreativemind for the awesome palm tree
- bababaul for graciously providing board files for renders
- elvenmonster for doing the same
- keykobo for providing samples so early in advance
Title: Re: KKB Miami Nights
Post by: nostyle_au on Sat, 03 June 2023, 05:31:50
Changelog
Title: Re: KKB Miami Nights
Post by: mr_foggy on Sat, 03 June 2023, 05:37:01
ofc I'll be in, even if icon mods would be more in my taste. filling IC form now!
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: whirlwind on Sat, 03 June 2023, 05:42:53
Yes
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: Bunn3y on Sat, 03 June 2023, 05:50:13
another banger from mr. nostyler. glwic  :cool:
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: twitchytheinsideman on Sat, 03 June 2023, 05:58:51
good. but why accent 40s enter when there is no (accent) 40s escape key?

Edit: new changes are good. icon mods good  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: incrediblejr on Sat, 03 June 2023, 06:08:57
Definitely in. Everyone please fill in the IC so we get a "proper" Miami Nights with Icon mods instead of Icon+Text.
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: nostyle_au on Sat, 03 June 2023, 06:09:51
good. but why accent 40s enter when there is no (accent) 40s escape key?

Realistically I'll probably remove the accent 40s enter as the point of 3 key is minimum support, yeah
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: Fnzzy on Sat, 03 June 2023, 11:46:13
I want it
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: finalarcadia on Sat, 03 June 2023, 12:19:29
Icon + text good
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: Magnificent Bureaucrat on Sat, 03 June 2023, 14:37:33
It would have been nice to see the same iso-uk kitting as Miami Dawn but I get that removing it will help to keep costs down.

While vendors are still up in the air I'd propose Prototypist for the UK.

Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: LXVRGS on Sat, 03 June 2023, 15:08:14
where purse caps
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: aicyborg on Sat, 03 June 2023, 20:05:48
+1 to icon mods.

As another reply has said already I'd like to see this include ISO-UK, or a Nordeuk kit be added, but if that represents a significant cost change then I understand that. I realise Dusk kinda floundered for a while.
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: nostyle_au on Sun, 04 June 2023, 04:23:31
OP and changelog updated
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: tulaine on Sun, 04 June 2023, 04:41:30
So good, would be even better with icon mods.
Didn't notice the changelog my bad.

Also "sysrq" and "break" front prints would be nice.
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: botatoboy on Sun, 04 June 2023, 08:50:09
yayayay miami nights is awesome! any chance of hibi similar to miami dawn but with black ano?
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: involuntarysoul on Sun, 04 June 2023, 10:57:21
please consider changing the cap lock to down arrow, looks way better
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: ph4nt0m on Sun, 04 June 2023, 11:48:54
please consider changing the cap lock to down arrow, looks way better

+1. Maybe even adding both would be an option if this doesn't increase pricing noticeably.
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: caap on Sun, 04 June 2023, 19:52:51
;D purse cap is great

set and kitting look good, all the best with the IC and eventual group buy :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: Soums on Sun, 04 June 2023, 19:57:38
Purse caps extremely based. I wish more designers continued doing it. :thumb:
Never got why people switched over to the down arrow, makes no sense. 
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: nostyle_au on Mon, 05 June 2023, 07:23:35
Fixed purse icon to reflect actual molds, confirmed some vendors and collabs

please consider changing the cap lock to down arrow, looks way better

I won't be changing to down arrow, it makes no sense
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: c0d3r on Mon, 05 June 2023, 20:24:19
+1 to Icon + Text,  and R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn are missing.
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: mr_foggy on Tue, 06 June 2023, 06:08:14
excellent kitting, thanks for listening to feedback

in for 2 kits like miami dawn :>
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: Fnzzy on Tue, 06 June 2023, 17:30:41
Looking this over again, I saw that front print was missing but also glad I saw that you're considering it. I'd very much be in favour of front print.
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: neon_tom on Wed, 07 June 2023, 07:12:33
Fixed purse icon to reflect actual molds, confirmed some vendors and collabs

please consider changing the cap lock to down arrow, looks way better

I won't be changing to down arrow, it makes no sense
Purse is life
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: brudder on Wed, 07 June 2023, 14:35:13
Are there any examples of KKB icon mods in the wild? If not, would it be possible to get icon mod samples from KKB prior to the GB?
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: dvorcol on Thu, 08 June 2023, 11:08:47
Fixed purse icon to reflect actual molds, confirmed some vendors and collabs

please consider changing the cap lock to down arrow, looks way better

I won't be changing to down arrow, it makes no sense

The down arrow makes sense from a historical perspective.  It was one of the common caps lock legends on mechanical typewriters, because that switch physically locked the shift in the depressed position.  Once locked, pushing down on the locked shift key provided enough clearance to release the lock.  It was also common for both shift and caps lock to be blank.

(https://i.postimg.cc/8ckStzVy/mechanical-caps-lock.png)
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: LXVRGS on Thu, 08 June 2023, 20:18:45
dont let this propaganda distract you from the purse caps superiority...
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: nostyle_au on Sat, 10 June 2023, 01:33:34
Updated renders with front print and numpad arrows

Are there any examples of KKB icon mods in the wild? If not, would it be possible to get icon mod samples from KKB prior to the GB?

I don't believe any sets have run with them yet, I'll speak to KKB about getting photos or samples of their icon mods if possible
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: c0d3r on Mon, 12 June 2023, 12:24:25
Thank you for adding R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn.  I'm in!   Are you considering to add Icon+text mode as the 2rd kitting?
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: nostyle_au on Tue, 20 June 2023, 04:25:23
An international kit has been added to offer support for varying ISO layouts, the MOQ for this kit is being set at 50 hence the slightly higher than standard pricing. We are going to be offering it essentially at cost + expenses, I'll be taking no cut.

Pricing for the base kit has been determined too :thumb:

At this stage we're almost ready. Will be waiting until Dawn finishes production before starting the GB.
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: keepoto on Tue, 20 June 2023, 06:05:25
An international kit has been added to offer support for varying ISO layouts, the MOQ for this kit is being set at 50 hence the slightly higher than standard pricing. We are going to be offering it essentially at cost + expenses, I'll be taking no cut.

Pricing for the base kit has been determined too :thumb:

At this stage we're almost ready. Will be waiting until Dawn finishes production before starting the GB.

KKB finally with intl kit? excited!
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: aicyborg on Tue, 20 June 2023, 19:23:04
Thank you for adding an international kit. It might need slight revision, however: in both GMK CYL, MTNU, and PBTfans's international kits they have a split pipe on the key with the backtick (`) and not a full pipe - the first key in that kit. I'm not personally sure what the difference is but KKB's intl kit would be the outlier here so they should fix that!
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: vhaarr on Wed, 21 June 2023, 00:25:03
Thank you for adding an international kit. It might need slight revision, however: in both GMK CYL, MTNU, and PBTfans's international kits they have a split pipe on the key with the backtick (`) and not a full pipe - the first key in that kit. I'm not personally sure what the difference is but KKB's intl kit would be the outlier here so they should fix that!

There's no difference, it's just a font choice.

Both characters exist in Unicode, but it's mostly just for historical reasons.
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: nostyle_au on Wed, 21 June 2023, 00:42:29
Thank you for adding an international kit. It might need slight revision, however: in both GMK CYL, MTNU, and PBTfans's international kits they have a split pipe on the key with the backtick (`) and not a full pipe - the first key in that kit. I'm not personally sure what the difference is but KKB's intl kit would be the outlier here so they should fix that!

As the previous commenter mentioned, they're both a font choice and interchangeable. That said, I'll be checking with KKB to confirm which mould they have before GB.
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: aicyborg on Wed, 21 June 2023, 19:50:50
Thank you for adding an international kit. It might need slight revision, however: in both GMK CYL, MTNU, and PBTfans's international kits they have a split pipe on the key with the backtick (`) and not a full pipe - the first key in that kit. I'm not personally sure what the difference is but KKB's intl kit would be the outlier here so they should fix that!

As the previous commenter mentioned, they're both a font choice and interchangeable. That said, I'll be checking with KKB to confirm which mould they have before GB.

Thanks, and I don't mean to tell you what to do! I just thought that since all of the other manufacturer's international kitting features a split pipe this probably should too - for consistency, if nothing else.
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: zea on Sun, 25 June 2023, 03:19:43
ne chance of an R5 kit or adding it to base?
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: mr_foggy on Sun, 25 June 2023, 18:34:23
ne chance of an R5 kit or adding it to base?
I'd buy that
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: botatoboy on Wed, 28 June 2023, 07:44:16
Any chance of adding a pink legended modpipe? the Originative Miami Nights had that so wondering if possible.
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: aicyborg on Wed, 28 June 2023, 20:02:21
Any chance of adding a pink legended modpipe? the Originative Miami Nights had that so wondering if possible.

pipe is not a mod
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: LXVRGS on Wed, 28 June 2023, 20:20:13
Any chance of adding a pink legended modpipe? the Originative Miami Nights had that so wondering if possible.

pipe is not a mod

this argument is so dumb, give people options dont force one preference on to others.
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: Furki on Sun, 23 July 2023, 08:56:07
Any chance of adding a pink legended modpipe? the Originative Miami Nights had that so wondering if possible.

pipe is not a mod

this argument is so dumb, give people options dont force one preference on to others.

i second this - why force people to not use it, its just one key

definitely intrested in this set but i'd like to test KKB somewhere before i buy it tho
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: Kinesiologist on Mon, 24 July 2023, 21:46:18
any chance for hangul subs addon kit?
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: tactilesbad on Thu, 03 August 2023, 05:49:34
(https://i.imgur.com/VeRGVIO.png)
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: nostyle_au on Tue, 08 August 2023, 19:23:39
Just an update on this, Miami Dawn production has wrapped up and is shipping to vendors. Once I receive my personal kit and have a chance to photograph it in detail I'll be organise the GB for this one :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: chigi22 on Wed, 23 August 2023, 14:26:45
LFG! Been waiting for this one.
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: nostyle_au on Thu, 24 August 2023, 02:50:11
Group buy dates have been set for 6th of October to the 6th of November.
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: chigi22 on Thu, 24 August 2023, 09:33:11
Take my money. Stoked!
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: Rhienfo on Sat, 23 September 2023, 23:28:15
Love miami nights love to see it rerun, nostyle you are doing really cool things.

Also what are estimates for this project, I know that keykobo is similar in quality to gmk and lower wait times but I'm not sure how long. Just want to know because I have been burnt from buying keycap sets ever since I bought a KAT set that still hasn't shipped.

IC kinda over now so GLWGB
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: nostyle_au on Sun, 24 September 2023, 00:22:20
Love miami nights love to see it rerun, nostyle you are doing really cool things.

Also what are estimates for this project, I know that keykobo is similar in quality to gmk and lower wait times but I'm not sure how long. Just want to know because I have been burnt from buying keycap sets ever since I bought a KAT set that still hasn't shipped.

IC kinda over now so GLWGB

3 months manufacturing turnaround was quoted and met for Miami Dawn, this is the same quote for Miami Nights. Should be Q1 next year that caps end up in people's hands assuming everything goes smoothly. At the very worst it'd be Q2.

Quality in my opinion is on par with GMK, also texture is much nicer than recent GMK.
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: nostyle_au on Tue, 03 October 2023, 02:19:43
Going live Friday!
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: AMZ on Tue, 03 October 2023, 06:50:35
Going live Friday!

Are you considering to re-run gmk this year or next year 2024?
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: Fnzzy on Fri, 06 October 2023, 00:51:28
Going live Friday!

Are you considering to re-run gmk this year or next year 2024?

He can't as he doesn't own the colourway, thus GMK won't let him. OCO (who also doesn't own this colourway) owns this colourway and calls the shots on the GMK production of this set.
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: aicyborg on Fri, 06 October 2023, 17:14:26
He can't as he doesn't own the colourway, thus GMK won't let him. OCO (who also doesn't own this colourway) owns this colourway and calls the shots on the GMK production of this set.

"OCO (who also doesn't own this colourway) owns this colourway"

Eh?
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: dvorcol on Fri, 06 October 2023, 20:25:14
GB LIVE! (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=121551.0)
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: Fnzzy on Mon, 09 October 2023, 05:52:56
He can't as he doesn't own the colourway, thus GMK won't let him. OCO (who also doesn't own this colourway) owns this colourway and calls the shots on the GMK production of this set.

"OCO (who also doesn't own this colourway) owns this colourway"

Eh?

"Eh?" exactly! They didn't design it. They took it from another designer who ICd it (and then vanished from the scene) and now GMK won't reproduce it unless OCO allows it.

That designer ultimately turned out to be a scammer, but they did IC it and allegedly even placed an order with GMK, although I've heard different things about that last point.

Good ol' yoink and claim.
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: involuntarysoul on Mon, 09 October 2023, 11:37:15
it is for the best, GMK's new molds are trash
Title: Re: [IC] KKB Miami Nights
Post by: Thumb Key on Mon, 09 October 2023, 22:28:58
Nice colour! :thumb: