Is this “bim” in the room with us right now?Yes.
Please consider Key Kobo. Their quality is very close to GMK but they have a tidy li'l four-month (ish) turn around time, as well as much lower costs, that makes them much more attractive.
Please consider Key Kobo. Their quality is very close to GMK but they have a tidy li'l four-month (ish) turn around time, as well as much lower costs, that makes them much more attractive.
For example, the Keykobo WoB/BoW/RGB GB ended 31 July 2022 and shipped in December.
And Miami Dawn (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=119965.0) finished 30 April 2023 and is expected to ship in Q3 2023.
But do you know if Keykobo Poltergeist (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=118661) has shipped yet? The GB ended 24 October 2022.
The Keykobo sets I've seen recently didn't have GBs but rather went on sale as in-stock. For example, Retro Mixed Lights (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=119802.0) and Gigachad/Gigachild. Not that that's a bad thing, especially if there is an IC to consider community feedback before kits are set in stone.
Cute set.
KKB points are valid but GMK has done a lot to clear the queue this year and seems to be catching up.
Cute set.
KKB points are valid but GMK has done a lot to clear the queue this year and seems to be catching up.
i think ppl copium this way out of proportion. gmk has barely increased production since their sorting machines were installed in january. in case ppl dont know how numbers work: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1X_al_WIHs-7CmwTLQtwVsPHx5QO-CBYStMLuvaWS0M8/edit#gid=0
in january at the time of that announcement the average production of sets per month was 8. now 7 months later, the average has flatlined at a whopping 10 per month. yes 10 is better than 8 but hardly anything to write home about. there are still 80 GBs in queue. the only thing that helps clear up the backlog is people not doing GBs with GMK (the sharp decline in GBs in 2023 compared to years prior is the single most helpful thing going for reducing GB times, not some stupid sorting machines). the most realistic time frame for turnaround for todays GB is 9 months. comparing that blindly to last year's 18 months seems like a massive production increase, but like i said, their production has barely increased. the only reason for the reduction in lead time is due to the nose-dive falloff of total number of GBs ran per year since 2021.
lets not forget their claim that lead times will be 6 months by mid this year. well, its already past mid year and 6 month lead time is almost as laughable as their claim that they will have been caught up with all backlog (prior to Euler) by sept. im no math genius but 80 sets at 10/mo avg is 8 months and sept is next month. spin me your best mental gymnastics to convince that a GMK GB ran today will ship by january lmao
you will not see reasonable production times (4-6 month turnaround) until well into 2024. and once we get there, there has to be a maximum cap of no more than 10 sets ran per month in order for the queue to sustain positive at that rate. hopefully the hobby has died enough that there wont be another boom to instantly jam the queue back up again
Honestly, probably cut Norde entirely.
Honestly, probably cut Norde entirely.
Spoken like someone who doesn't use it. OP, don't do this, please. Although it's hard to get them over the MOQ for GMK they should still be attempted.
- drop that norde kit (they never make it to MOQ and they're FAR from being "international" and that's an issue with all those stupidly expensive kits)
I just want the NA market to stop saying this.
well.
does it look like some existing set? yes.
is it a bad thing? no.
we got flooded for years with atrocious looking bull**** meme sets and people who call themselves designers for adding colored sublegends to the same beige template.
at least this looks nice and it's actually blue in the renders.
some constructive feedback now:
- drop the 40s kit, add 3-key support in basekit
- extension kit and novelties have way too many colors, unless your vendors buys them out you're better off gutting the extensions or moving some accents to the novelty kit
- drop that norde kit (they never make it to MOQ and they're FAR from being "international" and that's an issue with all those stupidly expensive kits)
- spacebars: force only one accent color
- remove green keys and generally try and keep the colors to a minimum: costs aside, the color matching process will be hell
and yeah, keykobo is still an option. but it won't mean it will sell better than gmk, most people are still suspicious about kkb for some reason I don't get. a few good kkb projects failed because people like to complain about gmk lead times but won't trust anything else.
isn't this just dracula?
Love the colors and the theme. Given the current delays with GMK, would you be open to using another manu such as Keykobo?I am still deciding regarding this but GMK have done some pretty good improvements regarding the delivery of sets. Would you still be interested if the set is GMK? Tell me your opinion :thumb:
I am still deciding regarding this but GMK have done some pretty good improvements regarding the delivery of sets. Would you still be interested if the set is GMK? Tell me your opinion :thumb:
other than the wide spread 1.5U stem issue, many currently shipping sets also have sever alpha legend alignment issues.
too much red flags for GMK atmShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/tWwSrBf.jpg)
Also, the 1.5u issue isn't that widespread. It's confirmed to have affected two sets so far and that's all. Two.
So you're still keeping 3+ kits that are going to be overpriced and fail to meet MOQ. You can lead a horse to water...
So you're still keeping 3+ kits that are going to be overpriced and fail to meet MOQ. You can lead a horse to water...
Why did you go with candykeys for the eu vendor.
Candykeys isn't that bad. Mykeyboard is the one in financial trouble and that has earned a reputation for not paying GB invoices.
you sound jealous that he landed a vendor that won't scam people
So you're still keeping 3+ kits that are going to be overpriced and fail to meet MOQ. You can lead a horse to water...
you sound jealous that he landed a vendor that won't scam people
Candykeys isn't that bad. Mykeyboard is the one in financial trouble and that has earned a reputation for not paying GB invoices.
Ok mykeyboard was worse (at least someone else is running it now) but the amount of people I've seen complaining about how candykeys refused to ship their order is enough for me to never recommend them to anyone. And candykeys has a bad enough rep where people just won't buy from them (This is all anecdotal and not at all evidence of this espically because I'm in more niche parts of the hobby, but I talk to people who refuse to buy stuff because it's on candykeys, including one who will not order this set because candykeys is the vendor, even though they really liked it)you sound jealous that he landed a vendor that won't scam people
lmao, yeah having the mech&co/mykeyboard combo is not a good look.
So you're still keeping 3+ kits that are going to be overpriced and fail to meet MOQ. You can lead a horse to water...
you sound jealous that he landed a vendor that won't scam people
Iconic response ;D M&C ended up being a real mess
Regarding Candykeys, given the stories I've heard, I wouldn't touch it with a 10-foot pole.
So you're still keeping 3+ kits that are going to be overpriced and fail to meet MOQ. You can lead a horse to water...
you sound jealous that he landed a vendor that won't scam people
Iconic response ;D M&C ended up being a real mess
Regarding Candykeys, given the stories I've heard, I wouldn't touch it with a 10-foot pole.
So you're still keeping 3+ kits that are going to be overpriced and fail to meet MOQ. You can lead a horse to water...
you sound jealous that he landed a vendor that won't scam people
Iconic response ;D M&C ended up being a real mess
Regarding Candykeys, given the stories I've heard, I wouldn't touch it with a 10-foot pole.
Actually if you want send a DM as it seems to be your are basing your opinion on what you are hearing but not experience, of course I can find 10 negative experiences over the past 8 years... I will send you a coupon to get you a free order so you can maybe experience what we do first hand.
So you're still keeping 3+ kits that are going to be overpriced and fail to meet MOQ. You can lead a horse to water...
you sound jealous that he landed a vendor that won't scam people
Iconic response ;D M&C ended up being a real mess
Regarding Candykeys, given the stories I've heard, I wouldn't touch it with a 10-foot pole.
Actually if you want send a DM as it seems to be your are basing your opinion on what you are hearing but not experience, of course I can find 10 negative experiences over the past 8 years... I will send you a coupon to get you a free order so you can maybe experience what we do first hand.
I dont know where all this is coming from, but we are not that bad... Of course we will make mistakes but some people have got to get off the 2018 opinions and see the change and improvements. Daily we are shipping hundreds of packages, always 1-3 will have some issue or a mistake, the posts that are around are mishandling of really old GBs that were miscommunicated on our part and misled the customer so too... You say we are bad at fulfilling orders, I just sadly am struggling to see this on the numbers we have to be honest, there is a error rate I can not really calculate 100% correctly but if its not holidays or we are short on staff we are shipping large quantities, IF couriers make mistakes or there are other issues after hand off then thats what it is, but you are making it sound like we are not delivering 50% of anything.
What change and improvements, people still complain constantly about you, it's not just 2018 I've seen shocking customer service and orders not being shipped this year. People have to send you constant emails and wait months for instock orders to ship and complain on reddit in order to get actual progress on orders that should've shipped with no issues. It is not you messing up orders that is the issue with your business, everybody messes up that's fine. It is the constant incompantance and lack of action after following up on something someone sent, and you suddenly send out stuff when they complain to a public forum where people can actually see.
If you can run a business properly then you should shut down, it's as simple as that.
I think you should cite specific incidents with roof rather than vaguely saying "people still constantly complain about you" and "I've seen shocking service," etc, etc. I could sit here and baselessly whinge and fabricate complaints about your favourite vendor just as easily. It doesn't mean what I write has any merit - just like what you're saying doesn't. Please drop it with the vauger accusations 'cos it's not important to the set that we're actually supposed to be here to give feedback on.
Anyway, make Bim with Keykobo. Truly think that's the way to get some of these more niche kinks over the MOQ line!
No icon mods?
Hello, changes can still happen. This just needs to be discussed with the vendors :thumb:I think you should cite specific incidents with roof rather than vaguely saying "people still constantly complain about you" and "I've seen shocking service," etc, etc. I could sit here and baselessly whinge and fabricate complaints about your favourite vendor just as easily. It doesn't mean what I write has any merit - just like what you're saying doesn't. Please drop it with the vauger accusations 'cos it's not important to the set that we're actually supposed to be here to give feedback on.
Anyway, make Bim with Keykobo. Truly think that's the way to get some of these more niche kinks over the MOQ line!
Yeah you're 100% right I updated my original post with examples because it is best to show it and I was wrong for not doing I'm sorry that's my bad.
Also to bring this back to the keyset, I'd also reccomend going for keykobo as there price is usually cheaper (especially for alternative kits like this one does have) and the qc has been proven to be quite good, though I understand at this point if it doesn't change because of vendors being sorted, most likely meaning an agreement has been reached.
Also I want to preface that I personally don't think candykeys is as malicious with gbs as someone like mech&co I just think they are horribly incompetent at business and at shipping orders.
No icon mods?There won't be icon mods because they don't match the theme. They might be added in the future as an separate kit if there will be a high interest for them
I dont know where all this is coming from, but we are not that bad... Of course we will make mistakes but some people have got to get off the 2018 opinions and see the change and improvements. Daily we are shipping hundreds of packages, always 1-3 will have some issue or a mistake, the posts that are around are mishandling of really old GBs that were miscommunicated on our part and misled the customer so too... You say we are bad at fulfilling orders, I just sadly am struggling to see this on the numbers we have to be honest, there is a error rate I can not really calculate 100% correctly but if its not holidays or we are short on staff we are shipping large quantities, IF couriers make mistakes or there are other issues after hand off then thats what it is, but you are making it sound like we are not delivering 50% of anything.
What change and improvements, people still complain constantly about you, it's not just 2018 I've seen shocking customer service and orders not being shipped this year. People have to send you constant emails and wait months for instock orders to ship and complain on reddit in order to get actual progress on orders that should've shipped with no issues. It is not you messing up orders that is the issue with your business, everybody messes up that's fine. It is the constant incompantance and lack of action after following up on something someone sent, and you suddenly send out stuff when they complain to a public forum where people can actually see.
If you can run a business properly then you should shut down, it's as simple as that.
Comment below asking me to show examples which I will thanks for telling me, should have probably done that but wrote this up really quickly.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/12cpqlh/candykeys_isnt_shipping_my_order_and_i_dont_know/ (the comments also have bad experiences)
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/vmpx4i/review_my_terrible_experience_with_candykeyscom/
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/11q3q3m/candykeys_messing_me_around_for_most_of_a_year/
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/11jx8uj/my_nightmare_experience_with_candykeys/
There are many other posts but these are the ones I've seen personally.
So many accent colours detrimental to cost control, Maybe reduce the colours to three, Compose mod of three random colours.Thanks for your suggestions. I am making some major changes regarding kitting and manufacture at the moment, so stay tuned :thumb:
GLWIC,This might maximise the cost savings. :thumb:
I am a little pissed off that the removal of Nordeuk is something you tried to quietly sneak past off unnoticed. Like, yeah, I get that Drop.com doesn't care about ISO users (especially given their nonchalant & flippant response to CRP R4's ISO fiasco). Doesn't mean I wanna support them.Hello, I understand your concern but I have talked with drop about adding a Nordeuk kit and I am still waiting for a final response from them. This kit was asked by other vendors, customers and I hope they will take this into consideration. The kits posted here are the approved ones but there is a chance that other kits will appear also :thumb:
I'm rescinding my interest and won't buy this in DCX. glwic.
If that happens I believe it will be the first DCX set with nordeuk?
I really hope that happens, but I'm not holding my breath. They might be considering molds for it now since Pixel Platoon also wants it probably?
Created account just for this, love the colorway and I'm excited for the DCX change. Coming from GMK I have been using DCX Garnet, DCX Camillo and DCX Hyperfuse and couldn't be happier. Quick leadtime, affordable, keys/packaging feel premium and Drop return policy is among the best in the business in my experience shopping with them (also they aren't scammers which is commendable nowadays, I lost more than £300 to another vendor). Will definitely be grabbing this with or without Norde, the standard ISO present on DCX base kit is enough for me. Also worth mentioning that to me Keykobo isn't worth it in my opinion, KKB Sea of Clouds was a let down (my set came with wonky legends, keys feel lightweight and cheap) and both Keykobo and GMK aren't doubleshot ABS they're actually insert molded. DCX, MT3 and DMK are true doubleshot, seen on the keys below:
DCX Camillo - true doubleshot overmolding (DMK also looks like this):Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/xehdhl9.jpg)
KKB Sea of Clouds - notice the legend part is fused together with the key shape, feels cheap (same as GMK):Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/v8OgtyV.png)
I just made an observation about terminlogy that I see being thrown around erroneously in these forums and YouTube videos as a recently graduated thermoplastics engineer bachelor but that's beside the point. Never tried aifei so I can't comment on those but to me DCX > GMK. Like I said I look forward to BIM colors/novelties and am excited for it being launched on DCX, which is truly doubleshot overmolded and feels very premium.
I don't base my preference for DCX solely on the fact that it is truly doubleshot whilist KKB/GMK is insert molded, that's just minutiae. I prefer DCX because on a side by side comparison against GMK/KKB: price, packaging, leadtime, legend quality, straight keys, return policy, DCX was superior to GMK/KKB in all of these criteria in my personal experience. If OP offered GMK BIM, DCX BIM and KKB BIM sets I would take DCX hands down because that's my preference.
- Base Kit
Entails compatibility for most layouts: 60%,65% 80%, 100%Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/JOwDBCH.png)
Hello konstantin, thanks for your suggestions. Unfortunately, I can't make any changes to the kitting as these kits are made according to DCX requirements.
- Base Kit
Entails compatibility for most layouts: 60%,65% 80%, 100%Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/JOwDBCH.png)
Those R1 End, PgDn keys need to have the same legend color as the nav cluster keys in order for them to be usable on 1800/CP boards; otherwise, it's going to look garish. So, either make those two keys orange, or add additional R1 Insert, Delete, PgUp, Home keys with yellow legends.
I recommend changing the R4 Delete key to a more generic legend so that it's useful for more users and a wider range of layouts other than just GK64. For example, you're missing a red-legend Fn key on R4 (for 1u Fn on the bottom row). You're also missing an orange-legend Fn key on the same row (for right column setups).
To address both of those issues, I'd change the red R4 Delete to something like Super, and I'd turn the second R4 1u Ctrl into an orange Hyper key, since pretty much no modern keyboards outside of 40s use 2× 1u Ctrl. (Super and Hyper are just examples; you can use any generic-sounding legend that the manu has molds for.)
Speaking of 40s, I don't see the 40% kit anymore, so you can remove the second 1u spacekey from the spacebars kit.
For the sake of consistency, consider either changing the two-line Caps Lock legend on the stepped key to single-line Caps, or the single-line Num legend to two-line Num Lock. Seeing as you also have single-line Print and Scroll, the first option is probably better, if the manu has the mold for it.
Also, the 1.5u issue isn't that widespread. It's confirmed to have affected two sets so far and that's all. Two.
are you living under a rock or what? 21 sets reported with pictures so far
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/156he48/attention_new_issue_with_gmk_keycaps_know_before/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=usertext&utm_name=MechanicalKeyboards&utm_content=t1_jti3ryi (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/156he48/attention_new_issue_with_gmk_keycaps_know_before/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=usertext&utm_name=MechanicalKeyboards&utm_content=t1_jti3ryi)
To be fair it is most likely the way your plate holds the switches. This issue is a fairly new one with GMK & Shoko R1 was run quite some time ago. Also I've never heard anybody complain about crooked 1.5u mods from Shoko Rd.1.
Also, the 1.5u issue isn't that widespread. It's confirmed to have affected two sets so far and that's all. Two.
are you living under a rock or what? 21 sets reported with pictures so far
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/156he48/attention_new_issue_with_gmk_keycaps_know_before/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=usertext&utm_name=MechanicalKeyboards&utm_content=t1_jti3ryi (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/156he48/attention_new_issue_with_gmk_keycaps_know_before/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=usertext&utm_name=MechanicalKeyboards&utm_content=t1_jti3ryi)
Wow I didn't know this was an issue..... I have a GMK Shoko R1 sets that have exactly the same problem, which I thought its the way how my plate fits the switch.......
Hello konstantin, thanks for your suggestions. Unfortunately, I can't make any changes to the kitting as these kits are made according to DCX requirements.
congrats for finally gutting nordeuk
"europeans" my ass. these kits barely support a minority of 3-4 languages, where's the support for the missing 20 or so?congrats for finally gutting nordeuk
Yes, heavens forbid this keyset caters to the Europeans and their terrible non-American keys. What a lucky escape.
"europeans" my ass. these kits barely support a minority of 3-4 languages, where's the support for the missing 20 or so?congrats for finally gutting nordeuk
Yes, heavens forbid this keyset caters to the Europeans and their terrible non-American keys. What a lucky escape.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/TdVP7zf.png)
Is this still happening?Sure it is :thumb: