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So the solution is to hire more security professionals and that doesn't cost more?
Somebody tell iMav's company that.
Of course it costs more, but they might get more people buying it too, which would then lower the price. That's if you even assume that costs of a piece of software is based on some fictitious profit based projection that has any basis in reality. That if even the costs/loss from piracy aren't figured into that projection already.
This thread reminds me why the Future of PC Gaming is....
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Or this:
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We have guys in our neighborhood that sell car radios for cheap.
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I've bought a car stereo from one of those guys before. That was before ebay existed though, and was less obvious and known for sure that that kind of thing is associated with thievery.
Even so, if they are, they're selling them, not giving out copies of them for free. There's a difference there as well.
Arrrrghhhh!
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It's not like I'm out there on the street corner reselling it. That would definitely be illegal and unethical.
Perhaps Bill Gates is not the best model for ethical behavior....
How about this guy?
Hey, it is legal in my state!
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Bill gates is giving away billions to charity while tiger has to pay millions for alimony. Who has a better sense of ethics?
really the crux of all this copyright and who deserves to get paid? lets look at example 1, Linus Torvalds, he just became a US citizen and of course is known as inventor/writer of Linux. He wrote a free OS, and other companys like Red Hat profitted by packaging the rewritten OS into a CD and offering support. Of course Red Hat didn't want to seem like a total ingrate and gave Linus stock options, but they didn't have to either. He has a good job position now and does well, but that's because he's Linus Torvalds, he made Linux, just like Bill Gates can go around the world giving free mosquito nets and vaccines to everyone, ppl will still think, hey his OS is running my netbook.
copyright pays and hurts industry,
buy a whole cd to get one song, everyone knows 90% of a CD is junk.
now they release singles. and itunes
well why can't Bluray be like this? why can't i just get a stripped down blue ray with no director's commentary or extra's and pay less?
the music industry wants everyone to pay for everything, they make it impossible for internet radio to function but let FM radio off the hook, a whole generation of ppl were brought up on the notion of a "mixed tape" were ppl really recording from one tape to another or were they waiting for the stupid DJ to stop talking so they could ninja press "play" + "rec" really fast?
Now if you give a mixed tape/CD/thumb drive to someone, your considerated a pirate.
i'm not taking a stance, just making a statement that the RIAA and the movie industry are all sorts of messed up with digital media and copyright and fair rights, and dvr's and tivo's and everything, while the software industry has always been at least constant, you steal... you steal, no wiggle room.
Of course even the software industry has stupid rules where MS says that windows is tied to a specific motherboard purchase/ or now the new license whatever thing with autodesk.
I just recently had a dinner convo with one guy and said that his movie nights with friends are essentially against the law, he's like how? and i'm like well your playing the dvd in your house and making a profit, he's like i don't make a profit. I go sure you do, as a good house guest ppl bring over sodas/beers chips and stuff right? he goes yea, I go well that could be considered an admission fee, cuz otherwise they wouldn't be allowed in.
Of course my example is absurd, but a good lawyer i'm sure could make a case out of it.
There's one last thing you can do.
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Arcade games are for suckers.
This new model of doing business is why Free Linux will DOMINATE IN 2011!
Wikipedia Sep 2010 Numbers
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Yeah xp's going to dominate for a long time cause it's the most solid os with the most programs compatible and easy to use on it. Having said that, I used Linux with DMW to get the firmware for my keyboard operational and was pretty impressed by the improvements in it since I tried it a year or two ago. He was able to explain and teach me some basics of it that I had never had before. If I was a better programmer and could add to and improve/customize a lot of the programs on it, like Gimp, it would be my main os, simply because I have the ability to rewrite what I want, and it is free and open.
If someone could steer Gimp, or a painting program on Linux to be more like Sai or 4paint, then it'd definitely have a cause to be on one of my main systems.
This new model of doing business is why Free Linux will DOMINATE IN 2011!
Wikipedia Sep 2010 Numbers
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OK, how come Vista is that huge?
Puh-leaaaase
Those numbers that "the man" hands out to show how "piracy" is killing the industry because of lost potential sales are plain bull****. Of course people that say the industry doesn't loose any potential customers are just as full of ****.
But the numbers "the man" throws around are waaaay out of proportion. In their view, everyone who bought photoshop this year is a potential customer for the new photoshop next year, even though most people that buy photoshop this year won't buy it again for the next 5 years or so. People that own a PC from 1988 are potential customers for Windows 7, etc. .
And it doesn't matter when the definition of stealing was layed out. I argue that theft of intellectual property is impossible and any reasonable human being must agree with that.
I cannot steal your idea because you will always have it. I can use or even abuse ur idea, I can use it to my advantage in a way that you cannot use it to your own advantage (take the idea of a product and put it on the market before you can, which is common business practice by the way but hey, the businesses do that, that's ok of course). But intellectual property, just as the contents of software can never be "owned" once they are presented to the public.
I "own" my ideas about religion, my own explanation of the universe. If I write a book about it, I cannot own it any more. I own the rights to these books but if someone takes the ideas I wrote down in that book, combines them with their own ideas and writes another book, I can't argue with that person that he doesn't have the right to use my ideas from my book to write down his own ideas about religion and his explenation of the universe. I can particularly not accuse that person of stealing my intellectual property when he uses his book (that includes some/all of my ideas) to found a religion that makes him the richest person in the world.
I can't step in and say "you can't use my ideas to shape your own views of religion and the universe and then share your altered ideas/views with others. Those basic ideas on which you based your own ideas belong to me!".
If I did that I'd be a terrible douchebag hindering the evolution of mankind.
You say that if I take something that costs money and don't give anything back that's just wrong.
But it doesn't cost the content industry jack **** if I copy their software for myself. And the fact is that while I was a student it is extremely likely that all the music, all the movies, series and software I copied, I wouldn't have bought otherwise. I wouldn't have been neither willing nor able to purchase all those cultural goodies of entertainment. I wouldn't have been able to broaden my horizon, wouldn't have been able to watch basketball, learn about black culture, listen to so many different types of music the world has to offer (as opposed to what the mainstream feeds me via radio and mtv) etc. etc. .
So I would have not been able to become the individual I am today, my horizon would have been limited severely. And that's just not right, considering they lost no money due to me copying.
I tell you what though, you have a point that there is actually free open source software there and that if you don't want to pay, you should use it, thus strengthening the open source programers instead of playing into the arms of the content industry. You are right on that my man.
I did try open office recently, when my order of Office 2010 was still being shipped. Didn't like it, it was just a hastle to get used to and didn't do stuff the way I wanted it to.
Linux I never used because I game a lot and grew up with windows. Now there is Wine out there and I have a quad core, running Linux and giving it a go is high on my to do list.
Generally I always try to find free software first, before I copy or buy anything. Because as u said there is lots of great free software out there. Bit it isn't always possible. And as I said before: If someone wants photoshop because he/she is striving to become a concept artist for example but cannot really afford the steep price tag for it, then why should that person have to pay for it or feel bad for not doing so when photoshop is available for free without costing the industry anything????? That makes absolutely no sense.
The only argument "the man" has is that they loose the sale of 1 unit of photoshop. But that student would not even have been able to buy it, so how can it be a lost sale??? Even if the student would have been able to buy photoshop, he certainly wouldn't have been able to buy say Corel Draw as well and compare the two to find out which one is better. Is that desirable?
This way the student can get both programs without any cost to the industry and highly likely without any lost potential sale either. Furthermore, I am very, very, very sure that studies would show this:
If someone copies a software at early age because he can't afford it but wants/needs it, the chances are high that once that person reaches adulthood and earns enough money to purchase the sofware, he will do so.
Why? Because purchased software is free of viruses, you have support for it and peace of mind. Those are some core strengths that actually purchased products have over copied/downloaded software.
But the content industry is just too ignorant, stupid, fat, lazy and slow to make use of those strengths properly. The ridiculous fails of the music and movie industry in the past to utilize the internet have proven that.
They claw themselves to their outdated business models and disrespect, even harm their paying customers while doing so. It is bound to fail. As the inventor of napster said in the movie "The social network": "Would you want to start/own/buy a record label these days?" ............
To conclude, more food for thought:
The usenet is probably something many people here are familiar with. U actually have to PAY for usenet access. In a way you thus PAY for what is offered on the usenet servers, ready for you to download. We all know what you find in the alt.binaries newsgroups besides porn. So why isn't the content industry down on the asses of the usenet providers??????? Isn't paying for "pirated" material even worse than getting free access to it? That's even defined by the law!!!! Selling "pirated" material is definitely illegal, everywhere and carries heavy punishments. Only the free sharing of "pirated" material is in that ominous grey zone.
But have you ever heard of the content industry complaining about the usenet? No? I wonder why that is ...
@ripster
stealing is baaaaaaaad m'kaaay?
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Tell me I am not the only one who always imagines Mr. Mackey ones someone stretches the word "baaaaaad" :)
ok.
I actually read it all, so no tl;dr, I just don't care. How you feel about "IP"/copyrights/patents/etc means nothing to the rest of the world (for better or worse). We (people in general, not you and I) simply have not come to a final agreement on this issue.
So instead of siding with the people who want the money, or the people who want the product, I chose the other option. I use free **** because it's free (in this case, that's HASSLE free).
Nothing in your rant disproves my theory that using software without paying is just fodder for the big companies. They can accuse you of stealing on the one hand while simultaneously benefiting from the increased user-base. Too much arguing, who needs it?
Future of Gaming is..... low quality crap.
Sayeth Crysis (http://kotaku.com/5674608/the-future-of-pc-gaming-according-to-the-creator-of-crysis)
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I suspected as such. Boy, was THAT pc game ever a disappointment. That WAS the beginning of the end of the PC business.
However Blizzard disagrees (http://boards.ign.com/pc_general_board/b5027/197089544/p1/?16) (WHAT A SURPRISE!!!)
BEST quote in thread...
MEANWHILE IN AMERICA....
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Free SW kills (don't click if easily disturbed (http://clementco.com/blog/index.php/2010/10/mother-kills-baby-due-to-interrupted-farmville-session/)).
HOLY
****ING
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I am absolutely terrified by the world we live in.
Future of Gaming is..... low quality crap.
Sayeth Crysis (http://kotaku.com/5674608/the-future-of-pc-gaming-according-to-the-creator-of-crysis)
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I suspected as such. Boy, was THAT pc game ever a disappointment. That WAS the beginning of the end of the PC business.
However Blizzard disagrees (http://boards.ign.com/pc_general_board/b5027/197089544/p1/?16) (WHAT A SURPRISE!!!)
BEST quote in thread...
MEANWHILE IN AMERICA....
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Free SW kills (don't click if easily disturbed (http://clementco.com/blog/index.php/2010/10/mother-kills-baby-due-to-interrupted-farmville-session/)).
You didn't get the point of the article. He was saying that free 2 play is the future of pc gaming, and that the quality will increase and come up to the level of stand alones, as the market shifts.
You look at War Rock and where it started, and where it is now, as well as the new MKZ, also on gamersfirst free 2 play network, and you'll start to get a clue maybe. War Rock is a really good example. It started in 2006, and has continuously upgraded per seasons as technology has improved, and it has the cashflow to do so. That's something not possible in a stand alone game. War Rock keeps you continuously coming back with special events and upgrades. They just launched their own server network as well.
http://www.gamersfirst.com/mkz/ (http://www.gamersfirst.com/mkz/)