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Title: [IC] Horangi60 60% Keyboard
Post by: thicthacthok on Mon, 22 January 2024, 09:10:05
Hello,

I've always wanted to make an endgame 60% keyboard for myself using features and attributes that I enjoyed from other keyboards over the 3 or so years I've been in the keyboard hobby. Some keyboards that come to mind are the OTD 356 mini, SingaKBD Unikorn and the Geonworks' F1-8X. Horangi (ho-rang-e) means tiger in Korean and it's one of my favourite animals.

Instead of relying on renders, I've decided to go ahead and prototype the keyboards before posting an Interest Check as I was uncomfortable posting something that was still incomplete. I'm now confident enough in the design, sound and typing experience to post an IC on Geekhack.

The 3 keyboards were the inspiration behind the internals of the keyboard. It uses the Unikorn, 4 top and 4 bottom mounting posts, combined with the gummy o-ring mounting and plate shape from the 356 Mini and finished off with F1-8X inspired viton o-rings strips on the top housing.

The aesthetics of the keyboard were inspired from the GOK 7v for the weight, the Mode Sonnet for the side profile and the Geonworks Frog for the Top Casing.

Thank you also to Gok, for teaching me how to loft in Fusion 360.


Keyboard Details



Prototype 1

Dark Brown Anodized
Copper Weights
Built with Cherry Hyperglide Blacks on an Aluminium Half Plate
Viton Gummy O-Ring

Compression for this prototype was approximately .5mm against the gummy o-ring.

https://clips.twitch.tv/InventiveIncredulousDillOMGScoots-5UmziLTTZ9EgBQrb

Prototype 1 had very tight molex cable tolerances and the weight would not screw to the case unless the cable was positioned in a certain way.
O-Rings on the top housing were not friction fit and would fall out.


Prototype 1.5

Beige Powder Coated
Brass Weights
Built with the new Cherry Ergo Clears on a Polycarbonate Plate
50a Silicone Gummy O-Ring

Compression for this prototype was not changed

https://clips.twitch.tv/UnusualClearCucumberSpicyBoy-V2DNMjALiUs3bnpA

Prototype 1.5 had the JST channel fixed as well as the O-Ring tolerances in the top housing fixed.
I also experimented with the Unikorn JST/molex position instead of the Hiney position.
There were no significant changes to the internals of the keyboard to consider it a 2.0 version of the prototype.

Compression for this prototype was not changed


Prototype 2

Dark Polycarbonate
Stainless Steel Weights
Built with banana splits on an Aluminium Half Plate
Viton Gummy O-Ring

Compression for this prototype was not changed


Prototyping the keyboard in PC really allowed me to see the extremely tight tolerances on the internals.
Since the keyboard only uses 4 screws to close the top and bottom housing, there was excessive bulging on the middle of the keyboard due to the stiffness of the Viton Gummy O-Ring and the compression inside the case.
This prototype had the issue solved by notching the plate but it was not a solution I could utilise for the group buy due to the use of plastic plates.


Prototype 3

Sandblasted Stainless Steel
Copper Weights
Built with New Cherry Nixies on a Polypropylene Plate
Viton Gummy O-Ring

Compression for this prototype was almost completely eliminated due to the stiffness of the Viton O-Ring

https://clips.twitch.tv/EntertainingPhilanthropicMonkeyDuDudu-lwUee_jIoRHa32B7

Using the information gathered from Prototype 2, the internals of the keyboard were changed significantly to allow for almost no compression in the internals.
I also found that having minimal compression had better acoustic properties with the viton material for the O-Rings

Please take the sound tests as a grain of salt. Actual acoustics properties of the keyboard will changed based on many different variables.


Exploded view

(https://i.imgur.com/gVk8S9R.png)

Relief cuts on the bottom housings were made to provide less compression around the spacebar and backspace stab areas and allows the gummy o-ring to travel around the stab sections more freely.
This was implemented from Prototype 1 and kept on all the prototypes until current.


Prototype Photos

More
(https://i.imgur.com/wKUu39w.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/dagjKb2.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/RXEcUod.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/imzs7qR.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/frvV5xJ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/r7jcOAB.jpg)


GB Date

June 21st ~ July 21st or until sold out

Estimated Price

The estimated price is around $450USD at a 100 unit soft cap.

Price is 420USD + any local tax + shipping


Vendors

OCE - Cafege
KR & NA - KLC
EU - Keygem
MY & SG - Maamaadei
TW - Masjewerks
China - ZFrontier
UK - Prototypist

IC Form (https://forms.gle/p3Jrxi6vLH8nnAJz9)
Discord (https://discord.gg/HUjzjVybBh)
Title: Re: [IC] Horangi60 60% Keyboard
Post by: thicthacthok on Mon, 22 January 2024, 09:10:55
Reserved
Title: Re: [IC] Horangi60 60% Keyboard
Post by: beejay on Mon, 22 January 2024, 09:19:38
Gib horangi ya dog glwic
Title: Re: [IC] Horangi60 60% Keyboard
Post by: mul7i on Mon, 22 January 2024, 09:35:53
yum yum that is nice  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] Horangi60 60% Keyboard
Post by: sirieous on Mon, 22 January 2024, 11:45:38
very epic cant wait
Title: Re: [IC] Horangi60 60% Keyboard
Post by: Moods on Mon, 22 January 2024, 15:38:42
I've typed on a few of these and they are very very nice! I will be keeping a very close eye on this. Full Stainless Steel would be insta-cop. GLWIC <3
Title: Re: [IC] Horangi60 60% Keyboard
Post by: warmthoughts on Mon, 22 January 2024, 17:57:53
I have witnessed your unparalleled attention to detail over the last 3 years of TTT. Horangi is so so good. Proud of you! And ty for true HHKB king.
Title: Re: [IC] Horangi60 60% Keyboard
Post by: dr0pbear on Mon, 22 January 2024, 19:44:59
Awesome work TTT, having seen the prototypes this is a banging board! GLWIC
Title: Re: [IC] Horangi60 60% Keyboard
Post by: irithyll on Mon, 22 January 2024, 22:02:50
Seems like an amazing project
Title: Re: [IC] Horangi60 60% Keyboard
Post by: involuntarysoul on Tue, 23 January 2024, 04:25:34
wish the side bezel is thinner
Title: Re: [IC] Horangi60 60% Keyboard
Post by: LMarci on Tue, 23 January 2024, 09:34:25
I like this project a lot, but I wish the weight engraving design was a little more interesting.
Title: Re: [IC] Horangi60 60% Keyboard
Post by: Zestrion on Tue, 23 January 2024, 09:56:56
im buying your entire stock, looks good
Title: Re: [IC] Horangi60 60% Keyboard
Post by: TooCool on Tue, 23 January 2024, 20:14:24
Is there any special reasoning behind your choice of AL6062 for the case and AL5052 for the plate?
Title: Re: [IC] Horangi60 60% Keyboard
Post by: thicthacthok on Wed, 24 January 2024, 19:22:09
Is there any special reasoning behind your choice of AL6062 for the case and AL5052 for the plate?

No special reasoning, I just wanted to try different materials. Group buy will be 6063 for the case.
Title: Re: [IC] Horangi60 60% Keyboard
Post by: clannadkhang on Sat, 27 January 2024, 01:00:25
Back engraving too simple for me
Title: Re: [IC] Horangi60 60% Keyboard
Post by: conternecticus on Wed, 31 January 2024, 00:40:34
Echoing on the back engraving, I wish it were more "balanced". The drawing of the tiger looks nice on its own, but it doesn't look "centered" on the weight to my eyes - I know it probably is centered, but still...
Title: Re: [IC] Horangi60 60% Keyboard
Post by: WholeScope on Wed, 31 January 2024, 02:06:24
Very cool board. Definitely will pick one up when GB drops

Are the weights for the GB run determined to be copper? Or will we be able to choose SS, Brass, Copper etc?
Title: Re: [IC] Horangi60 60% Keyboard
Post by: thicthacthok on Sun, 28 April 2024, 02:22:35
Very cool board. Definitely will pick one up when GB drops

Are the weights for the GB run determined to be copper? Or will we be able to choose SS, Brass, Copper etc?

Weights will most likely be Copper only
Title: Re: [IC] Horangi60 60% Keyboard
Post by: thicthacthok on Sun, 28 April 2024, 02:23:44
I've ordered another prototype to better balance out the back weight and test out a new internal weight design.

Will probably receive it around May and push the GB a little back toward the end of May/mid June.
Title: Re: [IC] Horangi60 60% Keyboard
Post by: crowcrowcrow on Sun, 28 April 2024, 15:36:26
this look amaazing wow its sounds so good too. full SS would be fire  :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] Horangi60 60% Keyboard
Post by: save_me on Sun, 28 April 2024, 18:59:34
Will be entering the GB, looks wonderful
Title: Re: [IC] Horangi60 60% Keyboard
Post by: ry24 on Mon, 06 May 2024, 12:45:49
Will there be an option to just purchase the case? I don't remember if I saw one mentioned.
Title: Re: [IC] Horangi60 60% Keyboard
Post by: LightningXI on Sat, 11 May 2024, 15:16:15
Are there any 6u HHKB prototypes? Is the design set to use Molex/Fly DB?

Looks great nonetheless!
Title: Re: [IC] Horangi60 60% Keyboard
Post by: howGoodAreKeyboards on Wed, 15 May 2024, 02:46:17
sir this making me feel some typa way
Title: Re: [IC] Horangi60 60% Keyboard
Post by: thicthacthok on Sat, 18 May 2024, 18:01:57
Will there be an option to just purchase the case? I don't remember if I saw one mentioned.

The 6u HHKB prototype is currently sitting at KLC on display it uses the fly daughterboard and molex as it opened up more options for me design wise. I know a lot of people have reservations on the pico molex system but I thought the trade off was good enough to warrant using it.

sir this making me feel some typa way

You make me feel some typa way
Title: Re: [IC] Horangi60 60% Keyboard
Post by: HubertThemad on Sat, 18 May 2024, 19:19:44
Looking forward to this!
Title: Re: [IC] Horangi60 60% Keyboard
Post by: tacahiroy on Sat, 18 May 2024, 19:34:24
This looks very cool. Is the PCB supporting QMK?
Title: Re: [IC] Horangi60 60% Keyboard
Post by: aa212121 on Sun, 19 May 2024, 06:10:25
This is really cool. I am not a 60 user but this might be the only 60 i get.
More
the viton strips on the top case is a neat idea, prolly provides some isolation from the btm case and adds some bounce.
the thickness of the top case is also nice, ive had problems with Glare tkl where the thickness is less and maybe contributes to the ping, and also maybe why using force break on glare tkl helps isloate the top case more. on the F1, the thickness of the top case matters less cuz again, viton strips on the top case provide some isolation.
overall good job!
Title: Re: [IC] Horangi60 60% Keyboard
Post by: thicthacthok on Mon, 20 May 2024, 04:28:11
This looks very cool. Is the PCB supporting QMK?


PCB is QMK and VIA compatible

This is really cool. I am not a 60 user but this might be the only 60 i get.
More
the viton strips on the top case is a neat idea, prolly provides some isolation from the btm case and adds some bounce.
the thickness of the top case is also nice, ive had problems with Glare tkl where the thickness is less and maybe contributes to the ping, and also maybe why using force break on glare tkl helps isloate the top case more. on the F1, the thickness of the top case matters less cuz again, viton strips on the top case provide some isolation.
overall good job!

Thanks boss!
Title: Re: [IC] Horangi60 60% Keyboard
Post by: codog on Tue, 21 May 2024, 03:27:57
will you offer viton and a softer o-ring alternative for different type feel and sound?
Title: Re: [IC] Horangi60 60% Keyboard
Post by: tacahiroy on Tue, 21 May 2024, 03:30:59
This looks very cool. Is the PCB supporting QMK?


PCB is QMK and VIA compatible

This is really cool. I am not a 60 user but this might be the only 60 i get.
More
the viton strips on the top case is a neat idea, prolly provides some isolation from the btm case and adds some bounce.
the thickness of the top case is also nice, ive had problems with Glare tkl where the thickness is less and maybe contributes to the ping, and also maybe why using force break on glare tkl helps isloate the top case more. on the F1, the thickness of the top case matters less cuz again, viton strips on the top case provide some isolation.
overall good job!

Thanks boss!
Great! There's no choice, but I'm definitely in!
Title: Re: [IC] Horangi60 60% Keyboard
Post by: Little4Real on Mon, 03 June 2024, 00:06:36
Was looking forward to this GB until you got rid of the PC case option. Wish you would bring it back.
Title: Re: [IC] Horangi60 60% Keyboard
Post by: garrdub on Wed, 12 June 2024, 12:26:05
Was looking forward to this GB until you got rid of the PC case option. Wish you would bring it back.

+1 for PC

That dark PC and stainless steel proto is hot. If you do a round 2 and include this as an option I am in.
Title: Re: [IC] Horangi60 60% Keyboard
Post by: Peko on Wed, 12 June 2024, 20:09:28
Was looking forward to this GB until you got rid of the PC case option. Wish you would bring it back.

+1 for PC

That dark PC and stainless steel proto is hot. If you do a round 2 and include this as an option I am in.