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Title: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: IV on Mon, 08 April 2024, 11:19:56

U M B R A

State of total eclipse.

A study of shadow and its effects on the human experience.

Chapter I is completed. Chapter II is currently in production. For up to date info please see Discord (https://discord.gg/KqNndYUFTK).

Index

I Production
II Renders
III Lookbook
IV Specs
V Design
VI Status
VII Notes
VIII Updates

I Production

CHAPTER I : MOONBREAKER

(https://i.imgur.com/rbQgwIw.jpeg)

PROTO v2 SOUND TEST

(https://i.imgur.com/KmFcFR7.jpg) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbCT22Yy78o)

PROTO v2 PHOTOS

(https://i.imgur.com/FqZH6jh.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/5DwYy6n.jpeg)

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RARE EMBLEM

(https://i.imgur.com/cg690vW.jpeg)

One unit per Chapter will receive a real gold plated emblem.

PROTO v1 PHOTOS

(https://i.imgur.com/WGN9dG2.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/vNZYIV0.jpeg)

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HOT SWAP PCB

(https://i.imgur.com/eHzWOGq.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/rEBpjNg.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/oiL23pQ.jpeg)

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SOLDER PCB

(https://i.imgur.com/Mo0gO59.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/wQI6w0d.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/6AtXCIY.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/mAL3R0U.jpeg)

HARD CASE

(https://i.imgur.com/YYSAVnL.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/UDLsBcg.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/VK1005d.jpeg)

II Renders

PROTO v2

(https://i.imgur.com/tXMdfjk.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/zvjzoUx.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/OHxlph7.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/9cIFOQs.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/JffUCIT.jpeg)

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PROTO v1
(https://i.imgur.com/40RcRtt.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/XtLr1bq.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/KiDQqwI.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/0awJ5vS.jpg)

III Lookbook

For best viewing please see this PDF (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rq7-A3lwJbG5mkQkMuK9XFr50dAyW1gC/).

(https://i.imgur.com/oq32jVZ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Am0OR2w.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/3iqtsYt.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/TjDnAUQ.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/UoPWSZI.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/uKj9V80.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/R9LeQdH.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/TM1sDDp.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/n8tTVEQ.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ovBjHYC.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/0SNLbOJ.jpg)

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IV Specs

CHASSIS

- Layout: 60 WK / WKL / HHKB
- Angle: 8°
- Front height: 18mm / EKH 22.25mm
- Top: Aluminum A6063
- Bottom: Aluminum A6063 / Polycarbonate
- Weight: Stainless steel
- Mass: 1429 g / 3.15 lbs

MOUNT

- Mount: Tadpole / Gummy / Top
- Plate: 1.5mm / Leaf-spring
- Material: Aluminum A5052

PCB

- Material: 1.6mm FR4
- Type: Solder / Hot swap / No flex cuts
- Connection: Type-C Fly DB
- Lighting: LED array underglow
- Spacebars: 7u / 3u 1u 3u
- Options: Stepped caps / split right shift / split backspace / rotary
- Software: QMK / VIA
- Thanks to 4pplet for providing open source resources for this project.

(https://i.imgur.com/WPMvYyb.jpeg)

V Design

FEATURES

- Eclipse lip lowers front height even more and adds comfort for thumbs.
- Seamless side with minimal thickness bezels. Deep edge chamfer enhances the appearance without being too thin and affecting sound.
- Multi-directional alignment sections for easy assembly.
- Magnetic, swappable emblems are enamel filled and hand-finished.
- TAP (https://iv-works.com/tap/) authentication microchip. Ownership can be registered and transferred.

PERFORMANCE

- Integrated 8 point silicone force-break to prevent unwanted resonance.
- Maximized internal mass while maintaining plate flex and low front height. Provides sound diffusion helping isolate second reflections.
- Optimized plate mounts for unformal flex at home row. No mounts under the spacebar for best typing feel.
- Distance between the bottom of switches to case is equal across the board.
- Sound travels uninterrupted between PCB and bottom aluminum case. No weights, daughter board, foam, or screws are exposed to the bottom of PCB. Producing a uniform and bright sound-signature. JST cable is routed from the back of the chassis.

ASSEMBLY

- Convenient mountable magnetic weight. Can be removed while fully assembled with the included KEY tool.
- Cable Shield allows the use of a longer JST cable to make install easier and prevents wire damage. Cut from polycarbonate so you can see if the cable is pinched.
- Pressure fitted feet that do not need to be removed for disassembly.
- Tadpoles and gummy o-ring can be customized to different harnesses.
- T10 Magnetic hardware for the entire build, can be built with the single included Torx bit.

VI Status

Chapter I is completed. Chapter II is currently in production. For up to date info please see Discord (https://discord.gg/KqNndYUFTK).

VII Notes

Thank you to all that participated in the weekly vote to make this project the best it can be.

(https://iv-works.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/iv_signature-small_white_1.png) (https://iv-works.com)

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Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: IV on Mon, 08 April 2024, 11:23:35

VIII Updates

4/16/24

- Added renders of proto colorway.
- Proto has been cut.
- PCB sample has arrived.
- Firmware in development.

4/23/24

- PCB prototype images added.
- Prototype is complete and en route.
- Firmware has been confirmed.
- PCB edits are complete and new proto will be ordered.

4/30/24

Umbra Prototype v1 has arrived and preliminary testing has started.

Right off the bat, this is the best proto I have ever received. There are very few edits to be made and all of them are just tightening up tolerance, meaning the accuracy is even better than I hoped for. I am beyond happy with the design decisions. We are in a really good spot. Fully assembled the board weighs in at 3.15 lbs or 1429 g.

ANODIZING:
The meteor grey is exactly what I was hoping for, it feels very space mineral rock-like. While I am happy with the ano, I think we can work on the texture. I spec’ed a custom blasting process for this project in order to achieve a unique texture. While this new blasting medium was used, I believe the pressure in the gun was not correct. Further testing will be done. We are also working on hanging methods to make the ano as flawless as possible. The proto was rack hung with spreaders. This will make small imperfections where the spreader makes contact with the part. We have placed the spreads in a spot that is unseen while using the board, of course, but also hard to see when building it.

PLATE:
Perfect fit and the ano is money.

WEIGHT:
The weight has a custom spec glass-blasting and I love it. The finish is scratch-resistant when compared to traditional sandblasting. The surface has a tighter texture with a semi-matte appearance and since it is stainless steel, it's very easy to clean.

Weight tolerances have been decreased as the fitment of all the parts is very accurate. I originally increased the gap between the bottom chassis and weight based on the 3D prints, but now having the parts in metal we can make the fitment even nicer. Installing the weight has a very satisfying sound and feel.

KEY:
The weight removal key works perfectly. The file for this 3D printed part will also be available to future proof the board.

ISOLATORS:
This system is working just as I hoped. This force-break method removes the contact from the top and bottom of the chassis. This result is a deeper, tighter sounding board. I am currently testing different designs to make this the best it can be. We are for sure heading in the right direction. Also you can use the board without the isolators for more traditional sound.

MOUNTS:
Running simulations on the plate to determine optimal mounting locations was a great move. I am very happy with the mounting locations and shape. I plan to test this further with different switches to see if any small improvements can be made.

Top Mount - It's great! Responsive, solid, and has a machine gun spacebar.

Gummy Mount - Testing was done with a few custom sized 60a o-rings. I believe I have found the best size that will work for both full and split backspace, though more testing is needed. This has a deeper, more even sound, with a slight mute. The 2 piece chassis construction makes installation a breeze. I do see where an additional cut can be made on the lower chassis for a better fit around the spacebar stabilizers.

This has more flex than top mount, of course. Here is another case where many rounds of 3D prints made the design the best it could be. The plate has a pleasant, even flex without bottoming out. This flex was especially hard to engineer with the low front height of the board and wanting to maximize the surface area of the lower chassis.

Tadpole Mount - The one issue with the proto is that the mounting holes for the tadpoles were fully threaded, so I am not able to install the tadpoles without modification. I have already talked to the factory about the issue. They apologized and thought that I had made a mistake in the drawings. This is an easy fix. Testing of the tadpole mounting on the board will occur during the v2 prototype.

CABLE SHIELD:
Size has been revised for better fitment with new blasted finish.

MAGNETS:
Magnet recesses have been revised to fit final magnets perfectly.

EMBLEM:
Emblem recess has been revised for better fit. Currently finalizing design for mold production.

PCB:
PCB and daughter board fit is perfect. Zero edits to be made. Also I believe all cables will fit without a problem. My favorite part of the daughterboard design is how low to the table the USB port sits, and how the Rune logo on the back is a great alignment tool for the USB.

TAP:
The custom chip I ordered works great but the phone has a hard time scanning when installed on the board. I did a good amount of testing on this while designing it, but a mixture of the interference from the metal surrounding it as well as the depth within the case leads to the scanning not working as desired. Currently working on a solution.

FINAL THOUGHTS:
I am working hard now to get all the little details correct before ordering another proto. I will get more images, sound tests, and a build stream going as well!

5/8/24

Updated the model based on Proto v1. A new prototype has been submitted for production.

UPDATES:
- Relief was added around spacebar stabs to improve fit of gummy o-ring.
- Tolerance between all parts has tightened based on the accuracy of the first sample.
- Top of the tadpole mount now has 3 points for softer alphas. While the 4 point system has a more even feel, after extensive testing I think this will be even more comfortable.
- Increased room for JST cable under Cable Shield.
- Emblem mount has been redesigned to make removal easier.
- Edges of the bottom chassis have been changed to improve tool pathing and finish.
- Chamfer on the weight's inner edge was increased to match other changed edges.
- Ano hangers added to top and bottom of chassis. This is a feature I used on the Relics. This should provide a better connection to the anodizing rack and also hide the contact points more.

5/16/24

Proto v2 renders added featuring the HHKB layout. New sample is in production. While that is being milled, my main focus is all the accessories:

- JST: Custom cable will be made for the best fit and finish but other stock cables will work. Ready to order.
- DB: FLY Daughter Board has been tested. Ready to order.
- Hardware: Specs have been finalized. Submitted for pricing.
- Emblem: Design has been finished. Submitted on pricing.
- Torx Bit: Ready to order.
- KEY Tool: Still working on design. While the newest sample works perfectly, I would like to add some multi-function to it.
- Hard Case: Still working on design. I would like to make this unique and high-end but starting to get very expensive. Once I get the pricing back for the remaining items. I will have a better idea of the current budget.
- Microfiber cloth: This is dependent on Hard Case design.
- Isolators: Ready to order.
- O-ring: Ready to order.
- Tadpoles: Hardness vote on Discord.

6/15/24

Proto v2 has arrived.

- HHKB: Fitment is perfect. Approved for production based on this week’s layout vote.
- Anodizing: Custom blasting is correct on this sample. The custom cuts added to the parts for better hanging during anodizing worked great. This feature will be used for production to offer the best results. Finish and color are approved for production.
- Chassis: Updates to fitment are an improvement, but are a little too tight. Going to split the difference between the two samples. The extra time that went into redesigning the edge finishing around the best tool pathing has paid off. Edges now have a more dynamic look with clean transitions.
- Weight: Fitment is now perfect.
- Mounts:
Tadpole - Updated mount location improves typing comfort by distributing flex more towards center of board.
Gummy - Additional reliefs at stabilizers provide more even pressure on the o-ring.
Top mount - Combination tadpole and top mounts are now threaded properly.
- Tadpoles: Based on the vote 70A tadpoles will be included.
- Emblem: Fitment has improved. Also removal is now easier and does not require a tool. Further 3D prints are needed to make this perfect.
- Hardware: Custom hardware has been tested. A few hole lengths need to be adjusted for best fitment.
- Cable Shield: Updated fitment is much better and makes building easier. I am not happy with laser engraving and more testing is needed.
- Layouts: Final layout vote is live on Discord.
- Hardcase: Design is finished. Waiting on pricing.
- Microfiber Clothe: This will be added to the project. Currently working on the design.

6/22/24

Proto v2 SOUND TEST (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbCT22Yy78o) now available.

7/10/24

Hard Case:
- Design and dimension has been finalized.
- Top mold has been cut.
- Top sample has been made and approved for production.
- Bottom mold is currently being cut.
- Zippers have been ordered.

Isolators:
- Injection mold design has been approved for production.

O-ring:
- Injection mold design has been approved for production.

JST Cable:
- Tech drawing has been approved for production.

Emblem:
- Design has gone through a handful of revisions. Currently working on improving the mold design.
- Packaging sample has arrived and is approved for production.

Clothe:
- Sample has arrived and is approved for production.

7/17/24

Solder PCB:
- File issue has been solved.
- Sample has been ordered.

Hard Case:
- Sample is finished and its way to me.

Isolators:
- Mold is being cut.

Clothe:
- Production has finished and in route to me.

Emblem:
- Mold is being cut.
- Packaging production is finished and in route to me.

JST Cable:
- Production has started.

8/03/24

Solder PCB:
- Sample has arrived.
- Testing completed.
- There is a small issue with the through-hole-plating but I have talked to the factory and - this has been solved.
- Solder PCB will now be an option.

Isolators:
- Mold is finished.
- Production samples have been made.

O-ring:
- Production sample is finished.

Clothe:
- Arrived. Passed QC.

Emblem:
- Production sample is finished.
- The wrong finishing technique was used.
- A new sample is currently being made.
- Packaging has arrived and passed QC.

JST Cable:
- Production is finished.

9/3/24

UMBRA production sample has been cut and is currently being anodized.

- Added Hard Case images. Design has been approved for production.
- Added Solder PCB images. Design has been tested and approved for production.
- Isolators and O-ring samples have been test fit. Approved for production.
- Feet have arrived.
- Daughterboards have arrived.
- JST cables have arrived.
- Clothe has arrived.
- Emblem packaging has arrived.

9/4/24

Plate bags have arrived.

9/24/24

TAP cards have arrived.

9/24/24

Minimat sample has arrived. Approved for production.

10/26/24

Tool set is approved for production. This metal wire keychain conveniently holds the tools needed for assembly. The two Torx bits can be used in the holder or can be removed and combined with a larger driver. The other tool is the Key needed to remove the weight.

11/2/24

The first chapter has finished production, is on hand, and I have started quality control. I estimate the release will happen in 30 days and I am very happy to announce that we are still on the $399 USD target.

12/16/24

Chapter I is complete. All A units have been shipped. B units will be randomly dropped on Discord.

Chapter II is in production.

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: itsazly on Mon, 08 April 2024, 11:27:49

I see. I like.

Would you like my card info now?

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: Rafa_n on Mon, 08 April 2024, 11:28:31

Not a fan of the front lip thing, but everything else looks really cool.

Can we get some actual images of the board thought, without the book thing? ;D

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: POMChamp on Mon, 08 April 2024, 12:06:42

Looking forward to proto shots.

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: _rubik on Mon, 08 April 2024, 13:09:57

The lookbook is clean. Are you planning to circulate a printed copy with the board?

Looking forward to seeing the protos

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: StefanVoda on Mon, 08 April 2024, 14:19:30

This presentation is a red flag. GL to the buyers.

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: Keeaboo on Mon, 08 April 2024, 14:23:00

Quote from: StefanVoda on Mon, 08 April 2024, 14:19:30

This presentation is a red flag. GL to the buyers.

IV Works has run many successful group buys with almost guaranteed weekly updates on the state of manufacturing and shipping. What's the red flag?

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: StefanVoda on Mon, 08 April 2024, 14:27:00

The presentation + talking about sound design without an actual proto in hand. 3/5 points in the "performance" presentation are about sound, resonance, etc.

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: _rubik on Mon, 08 April 2024, 15:57:27

Quote from: StefanVoda on Mon, 08 April 2024, 14:27:00

The presentation + talking about sound design without an actual proto in hand. 3/5 points in the "performance" presentation are about sound, resonance, etc.

And that's why 3 of the first 4 comments are "this is interesting, now let's see the real thing". Also they've prototyped and are happy with the results. No reason to bash this soon

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: xhxzzh on Mon, 08 April 2024, 17:48:58

Love the design, pls consider adding HHKB layout.

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: Alvi on Mon, 08 April 2024, 18:27:32

After owning an AV4 and enjoying it immensely, this is an interesting project that I have been following via the discord. Would be interested in hearing what it sounds like!

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: POMChamp on Mon, 08 April 2024, 20:28:40

Quote from: StefanVoda on Mon, 08 April 2024, 14:27:00

The presentation + talking about sound design without an actual proto in hand. 3/5 points in the "performance" presentation are about sound, resonance, etc.

"Several rounds of 3D prints have concluded."

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: Syncopathy. on Tue, 09 April 2024, 00:11:49

Quote from: StefanVoda on Mon, 08 April 2024, 14:19:30

This presentation is a red flag. GL to the buyers.

This brand is a red flag for your wallet. GL to mine.

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825078581910044672/1227126732243468360/Av4_1_of_1.jpg?ex=662745d3&is=6614d0d3&hm=be0f5b8b0dfb0d887eeb9d4aedefe684b8a390aee34824bd79d441bd8dcec3a6&)

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: MartinThePolarBear on Tue, 09 April 2024, 02:18:31

GLWIC

Definitely something I'll be looking forward to seeing some build vids of leading up to the GB

Sent from my Pixel 8 Pro using Tapatalk

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: StefanVoda on Tue, 09 April 2024, 02:49:27

Quote from: POMChamp on Mon, 08 April 2024, 20:28:40

Quote from: StefanVoda on Mon, 08 April 2024, 14:27:00
The presentation + talking about sound design without an actual proto in hand. 3/5 points in the "performance" presentation are about sound, resonance, etc.

"Several rounds of 3D prints have concluded."

Quote

And that's why 3 of the first 4 comments are "this is interesting, now let's see the real thing". Also they've prototyped and are happy with the results. No reason to bash this soon

So, I guess 3D printed plastics have the same acoustic properties as alu.

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: marshmellohs on Tue, 09 April 2024, 08:27:24

Looks interesting. Will echo that it would be nice to see the renders/photos outside of the photobook.

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: Kokaloo on Tue, 09 April 2024, 13:54:29

i can't read what do the pictures say

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: datAintFalc0 on Wed, 10 April 2024, 13:26:49

OH WE'RE SO BACK. so sick as always, joe!

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: spacegrey on Wed, 10 April 2024, 22:13:25

ok that's nice and all but can we actually see the "design student artbook" renders in non-book pictures please, i have hypermetropy and this does a good job in making my eyes hurt

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: tactilesbad on Fri, 12 April 2024, 05:12:21

can we have actual renders in which we see the board in full please

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: kollusions on Fri, 12 April 2024, 15:47:48

would love a solder and plateless option! looks sick

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: Nuap on Mon, 15 April 2024, 00:42:24

Please consider HHKB top

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: POMChamp on Tue, 16 April 2024, 14:45:11

Thanks for the renders! This is looking gooooood

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: Keeaboo on Tue, 16 April 2024, 14:49:40

Waiting to see all the color options.

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: IV on Tue, 16 April 2024, 14:50:22

Thank you for taking the time to comment, complete the IC, and/or join Discord. Has been a happy week finally getting to share this and talking with new people. I will do my best to implement the feedback you provided. I am also committed to the weekly updates as I do with all my projects.

The top request was more renders. Please see the updated first post for new looks of the Nox colorway. Also the proto PCB has arrived and I am very happy with the quality. Working now on finalizing the art and developing the firmware.

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: NixieType on Tue, 16 April 2024, 21:31:57

This design is great. I think my only complaint is the lack of HHKB to help highlight the front lip (worked well on derivative). Aside from this, will we get WK renders soon?

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: audax989 on Thu, 18 April 2024, 05:52:14

watching this.

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: vhaarr on Thu, 18 April 2024, 12:26:19

Quote from: NixieType on Tue, 16 April 2024, 21:31:57

I think my only complaint is the lack of HHKB to help highlight the front lip (worked well on derivative).

HHKB doesn't only highlight the lip, it also allows the surface treatment to shine - especially along with a set of well-matching keycaps :-)

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: mr_foggy on Sat, 20 April 2024, 09:12:55

Quote from: IV on Mon, 08 April 2024, 11:19:56

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/XtLr1bq.jpeg)

damn. it looks so good.

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: IV on Tue, 23 April 2024, 12:36:03

Update day!

I wanted to thank everyone again for their great feedback on the IC form. I have read over all the submission and starting to implement suggestions.

Last week I received the PCB prototype and have been putting it through its paces. I am pleased to share a first look at the PCB in the SPECS section of the first post!

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: POCO Estudio on Tue, 23 April 2024, 12:55:42

pcb is so cool

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: bombay.duck on Tue, 23 April 2024, 15:01:51

The 2x 3u bottom row is not easy to kit with existing sets unless one has purchased spacebar kits. And even then, a lot of spacebar kits don't provide 3u support.

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: IV on Tue, 23 April 2024, 15:41:36

Quote from: bombay.duck on Tue, 23 April 2024, 15:01:51

The 2x 3u bottom row is not easy to kit with existing sets unless one has purchased spacebar kits. And even then, a lot of spacebar kits don't provide 3u support.

What do you recommend?

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: Zouabee on Tue, 23 April 2024, 17:24:57

Love the lookbook! looks neat

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: vhaarr on Wed, 24 April 2024, 02:19:58

Quote from: IV on Tue, 23 April 2024, 15:41:36

What do you recommend?

I suggest you keep 3+1+3. Type K has 2x3u, and other recent boards like AKB Vero R2 (6/3+3) and goks Lily (3+1+3) have it as well. There are probably others.

3u is coming into vogue right now, and I like it. It looks so much better.

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: stomaha on Wed, 24 April 2024, 05:55:02

Absolutely keep 3:1:3

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: tactilesbad on Tue, 30 April 2024, 08:40:02

3-1-3 might look nice but it's basically unusable with 99% of the basekits in existence

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: POMChamp on Tue, 30 April 2024, 11:51:02

Holy crap that's a huge update. Also are you sure your proto shots aren't renders?? I can't tell what's real anymore

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: IV on Tue, 30 April 2024, 11:56:04

After a long journey of modelling, 3D printing, and endless design iterations, it is incredibly gratifying to have the first prototype of Umbra in hand. Please look above at the first photos of the board and let me know what you think!

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: _rubik on Tue, 30 April 2024, 22:32:01

Sweet! Now that you have the board in hand, could you post typing sound samples?

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: OJtheTiny on Wed, 01 May 2024, 06:01:09

Just a thought, if you're gonna straight up copy the waffling60 PCB source, you might wanna honor the open source license instead of presenting the PCB as your own work :thumb:

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: Cipulot on Wed, 01 May 2024, 08:22:09

PCB looks awfully like the Waffling60, which is not a bad thing at all, it's a good board designed by a known and talented designer.
On your end tho, you should know better and comply with the requirements of the CERN OHL V2 SR. While you might not be in breach from the commercial POV, the license allows commercial use, but the lack of original notices and credits is problematic to say the least.
IDK what you are trying to imply in your updates with

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Firmware in development.

and

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Firmware has been confirmed.

when the board already has an extensive history of revisions and updates. If by

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Firmware in development.

you mean the removal of the additional layouts that the original projects provided, as well as a board name change in the board definitions, then I'd probably reconsider the word choice to reflect better what is actually being done :blank:

PCB Proto & Waffling60 Source:
(https://i.imgur.com/9E1sxeK.png) (https://i.imgur.com/SExKHar.png)

Encoder Detail for PCB Proto & Waffling60 Source:
(https://i.imgur.com/JXRvuql.png)(https://i.imgur.com/jiy9rPU.png)

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: IV on Wed, 01 May 2024, 10:14:57

Quote from: OJtheTiny on Wed, 01 May 2024, 06:01:09

Just a thought, if you're gonna straight up copy the waffling60 PCB source, you might wanna honor the open source license instead of presenting the PCB as your own work :thumb:

You are both correct the PCB is based on the waffling60. It is a great starting point for what I was looking to make, as Cip mentioned. I used the most recent rev as a base for this pcb which I believe is not verified yet. I also have made a good amount of edits to the PCB where changes to the firmware need to be made. Also I converted the project to KiCAD 7, which should help more makers as its easier than Altium.

I am still working on the PCB. I had not made a statement yet about the PCB because it is not finalized yet. I have a good amount of people asking for solder and different layouts as well. Still trying to figure the plan. Once the final version of PCB is confirmed, the files will be available as per the license agreement and to future-proof the project.

With that said, I should have made a comment on the PCB framework right away, 4pplet deserves that for their great work. I am sorry for this as it would have made me mad as well. It was not my intention to mislead, just have had headaches in the past stating features of a product that where not set in stone and then having to change them.

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: IV on Wed, 01 May 2024, 10:17:46

Quote from: OJtheTiny on Wed, 01 May 2024, 06:01:09

Just a thought, if you're gonna straight up copy the waffling60 PCB source, you might wanna honor the open source license instead of presenting the PCB as your own work :thumb:

In the works! I hope to have that ready for the next week's update. What mount would you like to hear first?

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: Applet on Thu, 02 May 2024, 03:32:52

I really appreciate the support and kind words Liv and Cip. Good looking out. I try to stay out of keeb-drama when I can. This could have been presented I a more tactful way. Just make sure to follow the license of the project and give credits where credit is due (as with all open source stuff).

A comment on the origin: This looks like the waffling60 MXHS Rev E1. It's verified and implemented in QMK + VIA (since October iirc). Only the ISO HS Rev E1 PCB is still not verified since JLC (likely) messed up the protos (that's why that version is still a pre-release on GitHub).

The manu rotated one of the hotswap sockets for your split backspace incorrectly. A busy silkscreen like this will make it more difficult for the manu to see the rotation indicators.

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: POMChamp on Thu, 02 May 2024, 14:41:54

Quote from: IV on Wed, 01 May 2024, 10:17:46

Quote from: OJtheTiny on Wed, 01 May 2024, 06:01:09
Just a thought, if you're gonna straight up copy the waffling60 PCB source, you might wanna honor the open source license instead of presenting the PCB as your own work :thumb:

In the works! I hope to have that ready for the next week's update. What mount would you like to hear first?

Top mountt

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: Keeaboo on Mon, 13 May 2024, 11:48:48

I appreciate the constant updates and listening to the people interested so far. Excited to hear the sound tests for this board.

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: IV on Thu, 16 May 2024, 13:42:30

This week I spent a lot of time coordinating the small details of the board. Hardware, tools, cables, and daughterboards have all been finalized and are ready to order. Hoping to have proto v2 in hand in the coming weeks! Thank you everyone for your support on this project, and especially to those who are voting and contributing ideas in Discord.

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: hekt1k on Thu, 16 May 2024, 17:59:44

UMBRA :cool:

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: POMChamp on Wed, 29 May 2024, 10:25:28

any sound test yet or are you waiting for the 2nd proto to arrive?

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: POCO Estudio on Thu, 30 May 2024, 11:41:17

pcb is amazing lol

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: Kry on Sat, 01 June 2024, 12:45:03

Super looking forward to this board. It looks gorgeous.
WK option available?

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: pixelpusher on Sun, 02 June 2024, 12:44:15

It might look nice with a Domikey set on it, since the space bar is similar in shape to the front bezel :cool:

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: Rob27shred on Sun, 02 June 2024, 15:25:32

Quote from: pixelpusher on Sun, 02 June 2024, 12:44:15

It might look nice with a Domikey set on it, since the space bar is similar in shape to the front bezel :cool:

That might actually work out! Although I do have to admit I am not a fan of the Domikey spacebar shape.

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: IV on Sat, 15 June 2024, 08:32:12

Proto v2 has arrived and we are close close! Please see images in the first post. If you have any questions please let me know.

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: IV on Sat, 15 June 2024, 08:37:21

Quote from: Kry on Sat, 01 June 2024, 12:45:03

Super looking forward to this board. It looks gorgeous.
WK option available?

Thank you for the kind words. Final layout vote is now live on Discord. (https://discord.gg/KqNndYUFTK)

Quote from: POMChamp on Wed, 29 May 2024, 10:25:28

any sound test yet or are you waiting for the 2nd proto to arrive?

You are correct. Sound test is up next now that Proto v2 is in.

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: IV on Sat, 22 June 2024, 09:33:12

Proto v2 SOUND TEST (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbCT22Yy78o) now available!

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: azhdar on Sun, 23 June 2024, 12:21:46

This will have ISO right ?

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: IV on Sun, 23 June 2024, 13:12:03

Quote from: azhdar on Sun, 23 June 2024, 12:21:46

This will have ISO right ?

Sorry it does not. Layout options can be seen in my original post. I focused the plate around offering the best sound with the most popular options.

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: ylothar on Mon, 24 June 2024, 16:05:56

Quote from: IV on Sun, 23 June 2024, 13:12:03

I focused the plate around offering the best sound with the most popular options.

UMBRA looks really beautiful and as far as it is possible to appreciate from a sound test its sound also seems really excellent. Great job, honestly.

However, I find it frankly unsympathetic when someone thinks they can limit the choice of others regarding the "best sound". I'm well aware that ANSI is undeniably more popular than ISO but I'm more of the idea of letting everyone decide what they prefer - even when their choices seem worse - or more unpopular - than ours.

I imagine that many ISO lovers - like me - will be disappointed (yet again) to find themselves excluded.

Anyway, GLWIC.

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: TACWORKS on Mon, 24 June 2024, 21:26:53

It looks very high-quality! :p

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: IV on Tue, 25 June 2024, 16:36:00

Quote from: ylothar on Mon, 24 June 2024, 16:05:56

Quote from: IV on Sun, 23 June 2024, 13:12:03
I focused the plate around offering the best sound with the most popular options.

UMBRA looks really beautiful and as far as it is possible to appreciate from a sound test its sound also seems really excellent. Great job, honestly.

However, I find it frankly unsympathetic when someone thinks they can limit the choice of others regarding the "best sound". I'm well aware that ANSI is undeniably more popular than ISO but I'm more of the idea of letting everyone decide what they prefer - even when their choices seem worse - or more unpopular - than ours.

I imagine that many ISO lovers - like me - will be disappointed (yet again) to find themselves excluded.

Anyway, GLWIC.

Thank you for the feedback! I went back and forth on this, pretty much came down to testing different plates. When you try to maximize the number of layouts, the plate turns to swiss cheese and it kills the sound. Its much better to have to dedicated plates but that adds complexity and cost. I focused the plate design based on the public vote on Discord, then tried to make it sounds as cohesive as possible. But I hope to make a solution for ISO users as I do not want to alienate anyone.

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: Cringelord on Tue, 25 June 2024, 23:28:02

I really love the design. Actually differentiates itself from all the 60s this year but... why does it weigh less than a 60% Keychron even with a steel weight? Seems it will sound hollow, granted the soundtest posted is very nice, I don't recall many 60% sounding good that weigh so little.

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: IV on Wed, 26 June 2024, 08:26:02

Quote from: Cringelord on Tue, 25 June 2024, 23:28:02

I really love the design. Actually differentiates itself from all the 60s this year but... why does it weigh less than a 60% Keychron even with a steel weight? Seems it will sound hollow, granted the soundtest posted is very nice, I don't recall many 60% sounding good that weigh so little.

Not sure where you are seeing the weights. UMBRA is 3.15lbs. Keycron 60 is 1.18lbs.

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: Keeaboo on Wed, 26 June 2024, 08:27:05

Quote from: Cringelord on Tue, 25 June 2024, 23:28:02

I really love the design. Actually differentiates itself from all the 60s this year but... why does it weigh less than a 60% Keychron even with a steel weight? Seems it will sound hollow, granted the soundtest posted is very nice, I don't recall many 60% sounding good that weigh so little.

I think you are comparing unbuilt to built. The 1429g weight is unbuilt and that is heavier than two 60s I looked up quickly, the salvation and the frog mini.

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: POMChamp on Wed, 26 June 2024, 08:32:44

Quote from: IV on Wed, 26 June 2024, 08:26:02

Quote from: Cringelord on Tue, 25 June 2024, 23:28:02
I really love the design. Actually differentiates itself from all the 60s this year but... why does it weigh less than a 60% Keychron even with a steel weight? Seems it will sound hollow, granted the soundtest posted is very nice, I don't recall many 60% sounding good that weigh so little.

Not sure where you are seeing the weights. UMBRA is 3.15lbs. Keycron 60 is 1.18lbs.

They're probably referring to the Q4 which is Keychron's alu 60% and that's right around 1500g fully built. Keychron boards have thick bezels which is a big difference. Overall the weight argument doesn't mean much to me given that good design will produce good results vs just making something heavy for the sake of perceived quality.

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: ylothar on Wed, 26 June 2024, 14:40:10

Quote from: IV on Tue, 25 June 2024, 16:36:00

Thank you for the feedback! I went back and forth on this, pretty much came down to testing different plates. When you try to maximize the number of layouts, the plate turns to swiss cheese and it kills the sound. Its much better to have to dedicated plates but that adds complexity and cost. I focused the plate design based on the public vote on Discord, then tried to make it sounds as cohesive as possible. But I hope to make a solution for ISO users as I do not want to alienate anyone.

Thank you for taking my opinion into consideration, I really appreciate it.

In the past, some GBs have offered plates in two "fixed" versions, one ANSI and one ISO. In this way for both worlds the sound is "safe" but not only that: for example, I don't like universal plates at all because the fit of the switch in the ENTER position is quite weak. But it's often the only way you can have an ISO layout.
I truly hope you can find a way to give at least a little hope to ISO lovers.
It could be considered, for example, to have a compatible bottom and offer a kit without plate, then releasing the ISO plate file for anyone who wants to make it with the material of their preference.

Again, GLWIC.

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: carlanthony on Wed, 26 June 2024, 17:50:09

That front lip is definitely interesting, Joe! Not sure how I feel about it personally but love the detail you've put into this project. GLW-Project!

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: IV on Tue, 03 September 2024, 12:03:55

As we wait for the third prototype to be anodized, I have a big update on all the secondary parts. Pretty much positive movement on everything and big win on the getting the custom hard case sample finished! Please see images and full update on my first post.

Title: Re: [IC] UMBRA : 60% by IV Works
Post by: IV on Mon, 16 December 2024, 11:31:47

(https://i.imgur.com/XEyjYnt.jpeg)

Chapter I : Moonbreaker is complete. Thank you to all for the tremendous support on this first release.

Chapter II is currently in surface finishing, details as soon as I have them.