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Title: Which Mouse
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 24 August 2024, 13:27:32: Is ery1 using these days. NE updats?

Tp4 thinking about upgrading the ol'ergopwn to new sensor.

Maybe get a separate g4m3r mouse for the occasional Starcraft.

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Title: Re: Which Mouse
Post by: Sniping on Mon, 26 August 2024, 15:16:09: viper v3 pro is probably the one everyone's talking about. price is pretty cringeworthy. i'd still say it's worth it but it's a lot of money. i have a lamzu atlantis and g pro superlight, also popular choices.
Title: Re: Which Mouse
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 26 August 2024, 16:11:05: Quote from: Sniping on Mon, 26 August 2024, 15:16:09
viper v3 pro is probably the one everyone's talking about. price is pretty cringeworthy. i'd still say it's worth it but it's a lot of money. i have a lamzu atlantis and g pro superlight, also popular choices.

What if Tp4 can't afford one of those. Or any of those.. (https://cutekawaiiresources.files.wordpress.com/2018/07/106.gif?w=560)
Title: Re: Which Mouse
Post by: Sniping on Mon, 26 August 2024, 18:53:25: Quote from: tp4tissue on Mon, 26 August 2024, 16:11:05
Quote from: Sniping on Mon, 26 August 2024, 15:16:09
viper v3 pro is probably the one everyone's talking about. price is pretty cringeworthy. i'd still say it's worth it but it's a lot of money. i have a lamzu atlantis and g pro superlight, also popular choices.

What if Tp4 can't afford one of those. Or any of those..
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I got the superlight on fb marketplace for $25, so if you keep your eyes peeled i'm sure you can find one cheap. there's some aliexpress mice that I hear are pretty decent in the $30-40 shipped range. haven't tried personally though. I see some discussion about it here https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/comments/194faz2/best_mouse_on_aliexpress/
Title: Re: Which Mouse
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 26 August 2024, 19:17:41: Quote from: Sniping on Mon, 26 August 2024, 18:53:25

Nice, will look at some of those.
Title: Re: Which Mouse
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Title: Re: Which Mouse
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 29 August 2024, 13:27:16: Watching alot of mouse teardown videos.

That hero sensor gives Logitech a distinct mechanical advantage. It uses less power, their battery is only 300mah. 300mah is very limiting for the pixart sensor, but not so terrible for hero.

That means they have more plastic weight budget. Which they use to build a very large endoskeleton. In the future, I suspect they'll do away with that like all the other manufacturers chasing "lightness".

But regardless of which direction they take. They have a 6-8g advantage.
Title: Re: Which Mouse
Post by: Sniping on Thu, 29 August 2024, 15:52:44: I'll say the weight does matter in my exp, but to a certain extent. It's a weird concept to explain, but to me, under a certain weight threshold, the weight doesn't matter. but if you're above the threshold, it'll bother you. for me, anything sub 60g is good in the weight department. I personally don't want a shell that has a bunch of holes in the topside to shave the last 10-15g. I do think the logitech holds its charge well, though in general I think the battery life isn't that bad on most modern and not. I'll just plug it in after I'm done using the computer once in a while, or plug it in while browsing web, then always keep it unplugged while gaming. one thing annoying about my g pro superlight is the first gen one I have is micro usb instead of usb-c.
Title: Re: Which Mouse
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 29 August 2024, 16:06:57: So far, I like the rapoo vt9 w/ the old 3395 innards the best. From the teardown, it looks very easy to mod, no optical switches to mess about. It has the nordic chipset, and an 800mah battery. Onsale for $32 + free 4K dongle.

I looked at the new releases the vt3pro-max, ridiculous names, which is using a realtek chipset and latest 3950, but the realtek seems to not be as robust in terms of polling vs the old nordic.

But the rapoo shell design is still really good. It uses arches properly to enhance rigidity where it matters. And is still only 59g w/ the 800mah. Their vt1 air which is the superlight shape is only 50g w/ 300mah

The VT1 shape seems to be a copy of the logitech superlight, although it does not have the endoskeleton. It has the pre-travel springs, and general shape, I like its base bottom design better, very smart contour.

VT3 pro max

VT1 air max

VT9pro
Title: Re: Which Mouse
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 31 August 2024, 16:32:56: Man, it's impossible to decide. They're all basically the same..

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Title: Re: Which Mouse
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 31 August 2024, 17:23:00: Looking at sensor tests, it seems that 3395 and 3950 are distinctly superior sensors in terms of tracking performance. Hero sensor has significantly more drift.
Title: Re: Which Mouse
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 02 September 2024, 13:42:23: Glass mousepad. Tracking accuracy testing shows at least 5-8% more accurate than cloth pads.

But when you add human sticky hands/ fingers, Thoughts?
Title: Re: Which Mouse
Post by: TomahawkLabs on Mon, 02 September 2024, 16:20:59: Quote from: tp4tissue on Mon, 02 September 2024, 13:42:23
Glass mousepad. Tracking accuracy testing shows at least 5-8% more accurate than cloth pads.

But when you add human sticky hands/ fingers, Thoughts?

A large desk mat does more for overall functionality and aesthetics. A mousepad without borders, matches the keyboard mat, etc. I would imagine glass gets gross fast.
Title: Re: Which Mouse
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 02 September 2024, 20:42:42: Just spent 2 hours listening to mice switches on the internet, Tp4 you're sick.
Title: Re: Which Mouse
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 03 September 2024, 08:02:30: Is ne1 using glass right now, like the razer atlas, moonstone, skypad? Tried @ the microcenter, it seems very difficult to control. It's so slippery, feels like you have to add an extra step before clicking to steady the mouse, as it doesn't want to stop on its own and goes diagonal if you click slightly too diagonally.
Title: Re: Which Mouse
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 03 September 2024, 09:56:17: The case against dust proof switches.

So if you look at the dust proof structure, the button slider is wider and bigger. This necessarily increases the surface area it has in contact with the housing while pressing. So there's going to be more friction, and the actuation is less smooth.

Much is the case between mx blue vs mx red, the blue is the smoothest switch because the center pin is loose and has overall less surface area touching the shaft.

Durability isn't a huge concern, since these are cheap enough to swap out.

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Title: Re: Which Mouse
Post by: Sniping on Tue, 03 September 2024, 15:17:33: Quote from: tp4tissue on Tue, 03 September 2024, 08:02:30
Is ne1 using glass right now, like the razer atlas, moonstone, skypad? Tried @ the microcenter, it seems very difficult to control. It's so slippery, feels like you have to add an extra step before clicking to steady the mouse, as it doesn't want to stop on its own and goes diagonal if you click slightly too diagonally.

not me, I use a fairly rough pad that was an easy transition from a typical mousepad. I think the most important part is that you have a pad that isn't that worn because it makes it inconsistent across different parts of the pad. I hear that some cloth speed pads are as fast as glass pads if that interests you. it's probably much easier to change out your mouse first, get really used to the new one, then try some different pads. it's nice to get a good mouse that fits well, but for the pad just get something to refresh what you have right now that's not too extreme and hard to get used to.
Title: Re: Which Mouse
Post by: fohat.digs on Tue, 03 September 2024, 21:11:56: Quote from: tp4tissue on Tue, 03 September 2024, 08:02:30

using glass right now

Still using a Steelseries that must be 20 years old by now.

I keep s clean desk and do not have a problem with crumbs, but still I wash it in the kitchen sink about once a month.
Title: Re: Which Mouse
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 03 September 2024, 21:54:45: Older mice last alot longer because they had the higher 5v and higher current.

New mice start to double click after a year tops if gamed with.
Title: Re: Which Mouse
Post by: Scrambler_S on Sun, 08 September 2024, 06:46:46: Currently on a Razer VMSE. I know Viper V3pro just got the new Gen2 focus sensor over it, but don't know if it's worth the "upgrade"
Title: Re: Which Mouse
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 08 September 2024, 08:33:54: Looking at some charts, it seems high accuracy is only possible on optically adapted glass tracking surfaces. The sensor drift on cloth is 10%-30% higher.

Hrrrm...
Title: Re: Which Mouse
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 12 September 2024, 10:02:11: NE1 using a 30g mouse, how different is it from 70g.
Title: Re: Which Mouse
Post by: Sniping on Mon, 16 September 2024, 15:20:05: i was saying earlier that I feel like somewhere in 5x gram range is good. under a certain threshold, the mouse either gets really small or has a bunch of holes, whcih can get crusty and is less durable and probably? less comfortable. 70 sounds too high and 30 sounds too low. it just needs to be light enough to not generate much momentum in your hand when you're swiping fast, but don't sacrifice durability and usability for it.
Title: Re: Which Mouse
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 16 September 2024, 15:54:18: Quote from: Sniping on Mon, 16 September 2024, 15:20:05
i was saying earlier that I feel like somewhere in 5x gram range is good. under a certain threshold, the mouse either gets really small or has a bunch of holes, whcih can get crusty and is less durable and probably? less comfortable. 70 sounds too high and 30 sounds too low. it just needs to be light enough to not generate much momentum in your hand when you're swiping fast, but don't sacrifice durability and usability for it.

Hrrm.. That sounds pretty sensible.