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Title: [IC] DCS Cafe | Final Renders, Kitting, Colors & Vendors. GB live 2/7 to 3/10
Post by: yuukou_ on Sun, 08 September 2024, 23:13:31
DCS Cafe

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53982110900_b62727a411_b.jpg)

My co-runner Ken and I have always loved the GMK Cafe set. With the growing popularity of DCS, we thought right now is a great time to run this. We've made sure to get the approval from the original designer of Cafe to run this as well.
In an effort to keep the colors as true to the GMK Cafe as possible, the colors for DCS Cafe are:
Alphas: SP stock “WEA” to substitute for GMK L9
Modifiers: RAL 8019 https://www.ralcolorchart.com/ral-classic/ral-8019-grey-brown
Accents: RAL 1001 https://www.ralcolorchart.com/ral-classic/ral-1001-beige

Renders

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53981920158_796af71e46_b.jpg)

F1-8X by Geonworks


(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53981986904_44fcd6edc5_h.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53980785492_1aaf38c90e_b.jpg)

Flanör FRL

Renders by: Pontus (https://www.instagram.com/www_pontus/ (https://www.instagram.com/www_pontus/))


Kitting/Details
WYSE/Gorton font will be used
Purse-style Caps Lock
After IC #2, the majority of people specified that they were okay with the stock colors, these new kitting renders reflect that, alongside the slightly adjusted kitting.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54316356680_41546f063d_b.jpg)
Base Kit

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54315048532_a1e2d4b6ce_b.jpg)
Alt Alphas Kit

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54315048607_301b54d3e6_b.jpg)
Numpad Kit

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54316173148_7625977322_b.jpg)
40's Kit

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54316163024_37da086448_b.jpg)
Spacebar Kit

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54316173078_ff0ea1ee27_b.jpg)
Extensions Kit

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54315048537_77a1a921d3_b.jpg)
Novelties Kit

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54316357020_17bb2857f7_b.jpg)
10u Kit

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54315048592_0f3ab862d5_b.jpg)
Text Mods Kit

Pricing
*After IC #2, the majority of people specified that they were okay with the stock colors, the updated final pricing here for the GB reflects that. As before, MOQ for base will be 75, and then 25 for child kits.


Base Kit : $140
Alt Alphas : $57
Numpad: $20
40's: $35
Spacebars: $23
Extensions: $22 - $23
Novelties: $30
10u: $5
Text Mods: $32

Comparison Pictures (Stock vs RAL)
*For the IRL pictures, we used the original GMK keycaps, only two colors are shown here because the 3rd color was originally already using a stock SP color, and won't be changing, but if you would like to see a comparison shot, please let us know.

IRL Comparisons (GMK on left, SP stock color on right):
Accent Color
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54112085807_ccd462d86b_b.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54117198352_7d4849d8e2_b.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54118330328_c9855438ab_c.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54118331708_1911aeab10_c.jpg)
Modifier Color
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54112085812_7593a8b519_b.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54118058726_1af30bf192_c.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54117198362_bb2d9c55d9_c.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54118393959_8f478864cb_c.jpg)

Render Comparison:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54112092512_4dcd8f754d_b.jpg)
All SP Stock Colors

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54113292014_e82686ee19_b.jpg)
Custom RAL Colors


Timeline
Interest Check through September 23rd, 2024
Interest Check #2 through November 18th, 2024
Group Buy (Live!): February 7th, 2025 through March 10th, 2025
Production estimate: Q2 2025

Vendors
US #1 : spkeyboards https://spkeyboards.com/products/dcs-cafe (https://spkeyboards.com/products/dcs-cafe)
US #2 : Divinikey https://divinikey.com/products/sp-dcs-cafe-keycaps (https://divinikey.com/products/sp-dcs-cafe-keycaps)
CA: Deskhero  https://www.deskhero.ca/products/sp-dcs-cafe-keycaps  (https://www.deskhero.ca/products/sp-dcs-cafe-keycaps)
Asia: Geonworks (will be in-stock at a later date)
OCE: Cafege  https://cafege.com.au/products/group-buy-dcs-cafe  (https://cafege.com.au/products/group-buy-dcs-cafe)
UK: Prototypist  https://prototypist.net/products/group-buy-dcs-cafe  (https://prototypist.net/products/group-buy-dcs-cafe)
EU: Eloquent Clicks  https://eloquentclicks.com/products/dcs-cafe-keycaps  (https://eloquentclicks.com/products/dcs-cafe-keycaps)


IC Form
https://forms.gle/dPLmL16unWHY9AsBA
https://forms.gle/R3wp5c2VqihgU36P8

For all updates, you can join our discord below, and/or follow our Insta/Twitter
Discord:: https://discord.gg/KV7UJ2Ynh9
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dcs.cafe/
Twitter/X: https://x.com/cafe_dcs

Special Thanks
Thank you to Langelandia, the original designer for Cafe, for giving us their blessing to run this, and also for being so open and willing to help.
Thank you to Frank (ENOMOOSHIKI) with his help with proofreading the IC.
Thank you to kayso for help with the 40's kitting.
Thank you to the vendors partnering with us and the people interested who provided feedback.

Thanks for looking!
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | A classy colorway now in DCS
Post by: yuukou_ on Sun, 08 September 2024, 23:18:38
Changelog
IC #2 Updates (11/3/2024):
- Updated Kitting
- Updated Kitting Renders
- Comparison Section and Pictures Added
- Pricing Added
- Vendors Added
- New IC Form Added

Additional IC #2 Updates (11/4/2024):
- New separate EU Vendor (TBD right now)
- New comparison images

GB Updates (2/10/2025):
- Final Kitting Posted
- Final Pricing Posted
- Final Vendors with links


Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | A classy colorway now in DCS
Post by: Zouabee on Sun, 08 September 2024, 23:27:18
I just got my espresso machine, been feindin coffee every morning. Love this.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | A classy colorway now in DCS
Post by: TheManicGeek on Sun, 08 September 2024, 23:28:00
Love the look of this set, WYSE font was also a fine choice. GL with the IC, hope this set does well!
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | A classy colorway now in DCS
Post by: enomooshiki on Sun, 08 September 2024, 23:31:34
looking good!

i think a bit of adjustments to the base kit would be nice.

GLWIC!
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | A classy colorway now in DCS
Post by: Kokaloo on Sun, 08 September 2024, 23:57:14
i'll give this two weeks before it's put on hold for pricing concerns
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | A classy colorway now in DCS
Post by: Meepergon on Mon, 09 September 2024, 00:39:18
I AM SO IN
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | A classy colorway now in DCS
Post by: emalider on Mon, 09 September 2024, 00:40:18
Yes please.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | A classy colorway now in DCS
Post by: Fraaaan on Mon, 09 September 2024, 02:12:39
The community put most SP projects on hold because of their unreasonable prices so I'd please ask you to do the same.

They don't deserve our business with their current prices.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | A classy colorway now in DCS
Post by: Jampot_298 on Mon, 09 September 2024, 02:35:10
I agree with Fran tbh

Did you get quotes from SP? If so, how do they look?

Set looks great btw, thank you for uk iso and icon mods :)
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | A classy colorway now in DCS
Post by: taiyox on Mon, 09 September 2024, 03:11:39
Filled out the form - big fan of the colorway! Good luck with the IC :thumb:

edit: I agree with the price concerns though.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | A classy colorway now in DCS
Post by: Piperaceae on Mon, 09 September 2024, 05:07:44
I love this. Please don't listen to the price whiner contingent on here that wants to shut down SP, and somehow magically hope that sweatshop cloners will invest in producing doubleshot ABS DCS molds with the Wyse font, and then turn around and sell their sets to us for buttons and twine. Some of us do support American labor, with real livable wages for the workers cranking our niche luxury products out.

Let's be real - no one is holding a gun to anyone's head and forcing them to buy decorative plastic playsets. If you don't want to buy them, don't. But trying to scare off designers and interfere with their ICs crosses a line.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | A classy colorway now in DCS
Post by: Manukbs_ on Mon, 09 September 2024, 07:56:52
Love the set, kitting looks unrealistic having in mind DCS pricing
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | A classy colorway now in DCS
Post by: pixelpusher on Mon, 09 September 2024, 08:50:48
Big fan of cafe and brown sets in general.  I joined the GMK group buy on day one and own every kit, including the dark alphas.  But I will say that the colors in the OG are not optimal.  The brown isn't rich.  The light alphas were the worst part for me.  They feel more like a dingy white than creamy.  It's really hard to make the set pop on almost any board.  I've put it on 30+ keyboards at this point.  The only time I'm ever satisfied with the set is with the dark alphas.

I'd 100% be down for someone trying to recreate the spirit of GMK Cafe in DCS but with improved colors.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | A classy colorway now in DCS
Post by: Maxximum on Mon, 09 September 2024, 09:28:10
Looking forward to this set GLWIC!
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | A classy colorway now in DCS
Post by: yuukou_ on Mon, 09 September 2024, 09:47:57
I see a good number of concerns over pricing. We have already reached out to SP for quotes, but it is also MOQ dependent, so that is also part of the IC, to see who is interested, what price people are comfortable with and trying to see if we balance those. If need be we will evaluate if we need to split some of the base kit into child kits if that helps the set run, but ideally we wanted a base kit that has high compatibility.


Quote from: pixelpusher on Mon, 09 September 2024, 08:50:48
Big fan of cafe and brown sets in general.  I joined the GMK group buy on day one and own every kit, including the dark alphas.  But I will say that the colors in the OG are not optimal.  The brown isn't rich.  The light alphas were the worst part for me.  They feel more like a dingy white than creamy.  It's really hard to make the set pop on almost any board.  I've put it on 30+ keyboards at this point.  The only time I'm ever satisfied with the set is with the dark alphas.

I'd 100% be down for someone trying to recreate the spirit of GMK Cafe in DCS but with improved colors.

I would be open to this, but would be something we still need to explore on our end, as we have only done initial color matching against the original GMK set.

Thanks everyone for the feedback and support!
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | A classy colorway now in DCS
Post by: kajahtaa on Mon, 09 September 2024, 10:34:30
Looks awesome.

ne alps avail ?
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | A classy colorway now in DCS
Post by: Rob27shred on Mon, 09 September 2024, 11:37:11
Quote from: Piperaceae on Mon, 09 September 2024, 05:07:44
I love this. Please don't listen to the price whiner contingent on here that wants to shut down SP, and somehow magically hope that sweatshop cloners will invest in producing doubleshot ABS DCS molds with the Wyse font, and then turn around and sell their sets to us for buttons and twine. Some of us do support American labor, with real livable wages for the workers cranking our niche luxury products out.

Let's be real - no one is holding a gun to anyone's head and forcing them to buy decorative plastic playsets. If you don't want to buy them, don't. But trying to scare off designers and interfere with their ICs crosses a line.
This 100%! If you think it's too pricey just don't buy, no reason to try to scare designers off from using SP. The hobby would not be where it's at without them & I do not want see what it would look like without them.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | A classy colorway now in DCS
Post by: Rob27shred on Mon, 09 September 2024, 11:39:19
Look awesome OP, but I would echo other's sentiments of the base kit being too big given SP's recent quotes on DCS sets. At the very least I'd separate the novelties out into a child kit of their own. Other than that GLWIC!
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | A classy colorway now in DCS
Post by: Langelandia on Mon, 09 September 2024, 11:47:49
I approve of this message =)
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | A classy colorway now in DCS
Post by: ZavaZ86 on Mon, 09 September 2024, 14:07:03
Another nice DCS set about to be destroyed by SP pricing
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | A classy colorway now in DCS
Post by: norinori on Tue, 10 September 2024, 01:44:16
Could probably do away with iso/numpad from base

along with the purse capslock.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | A classy colorway now in DCS
Post by: Poesjuh on Tue, 10 September 2024, 04:27:17
Rush rush


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Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | A classy colorway now in DCS
Post by: LXVRGS on Wed, 11 September 2024, 22:10:19
the purse stays
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | A classy colorway now in DCS
Post by: yuukou_ on Fri, 13 September 2024, 00:02:48
Hi everyone,

I just wanted to say thanks for all the feedback, and to keep it coming. Ken and I are continually looking at it and discussing. On our side, we have decided that we will likely cut down the base kit somewhat, but to what extent is still up in the air.
So that we can get another round of feedback from everyone, we will likely be doing another round of IC, once this one wraps up and we can collect all the feedback, adjust the kitting according to what we want in combination with feedback,
and getting solid numbers for pricing. We also plan to have vendors ready for the 2nd IC, and I will update the timeline accordingly once I know when that will start and end.

Thanks again to everyone for the support!
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | A classy colorway now in DCS
Post by: nessMINI on Sat, 14 September 2024, 15:09:05
God, I love DCS profile.  I don't know why it doesn't get more love.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | A classy colorway now in DCS
Post by: pixelpusher on Sat, 14 September 2024, 16:24:07
Quote from: nessMINI on Sat, 14 September 2024, 15:09:05
God, I love DCS profile.  I don't know why it doesn't get more love.

Generally because it's thin and people think thick keycaps mean better keycaps.  Not always true, and depends on the switch and keyboard
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | A classy colorway now in DCS
Post by: conternecticus on Sun, 15 September 2024, 04:02:18
Definitely very interested! GLWIC
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | A classy colorway now in DCS
Post by: madmax13 on Mon, 16 September 2024, 23:32:52
If you do a deskmat for this, I love the MW "Color Wheel" matt they ran with their set.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | A classy colorway now in DCS
Post by: twitchytheinsideman on Wed, 18 September 2024, 09:51:43
finally a dcs set with icon mods.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | A classy colorway now in DCS
Post by: SafeAtShore on Fri, 20 September 2024, 19:36:43
DCS minibars don't exist, do they? You should change the labels in your kitting image from SB to R4 (the render seems to be non-convex already).
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | A classy colorway now in DCS
Post by: Mecxs on Fri, 20 September 2024, 22:48:45
Why are there 2 tabs?
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | A classy colorway now in DCS
Post by: Poesjuh on Wed, 25 September 2024, 12:54:56
Dcs set with a large base kit for a change. Yes will be more expensive but at least you can use it on more than a wkl tkl.

OP: let’s cut down the base kit.

Sad days.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | A classy colorway now in DCS
Post by: yuukou_ on Sun, 29 September 2024, 18:10:14
Thanks everyone for the feedback on the first IC. We already went over the feedback, and are working on the changes for next IC round. We are aiming have updated kitting, pricing, and vendors for the next IC, so that any changes will only be small. I'll be posting more frequent and smaller updates in the Discord, but will also post here, when we have an exact date for the next IC round, and of course when it is live. Thanks again!
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | A classy colorway now in DCS
Post by: linearscringe on Mon, 21 October 2024, 13:36:42
please add 1.5u Super which supports both Mac and HHKB layout
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | A classy colorway now in DCS
Post by: yuukou_ on Mon, 21 October 2024, 21:35:25
Hi all,

Just wanted to post a small update before we post the large one for the second IC. This project is not dead, we are just waiting on some responses and confirmations, and then I will get all the new info and form out for everyone for IC 2. Thanks again for the interest!
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | Updated Renders, Kitting, Pricing, Vendors
Post by: yuukou_ on Sat, 02 November 2024, 22:39:55
Hi everyone,

Thanks for your patience, the new IC form is up along with the new details! Please take a look and let us know what you think!
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | Updated Renders, Kitting, Pricing, Vendors
Post by: William_S_Jones on Sat, 02 November 2024, 22:57:04
I like it, looking forward to these!

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Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | Updated Renders, Kitting, Pricing, Vendors
Post by: conternecticus on Sat, 02 November 2024, 23:03:54
I like the stock SP mods more: it has a brown tint to it. That's according to the renders, the photo of the SP color chip for the modifiers is very hard to inspect. More IRL photos in different lighting would help.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | Updated Renders, Kitting, Pricing, Vendors
Post by: yuukou_ on Sat, 02 November 2024, 23:20:16
Quote from: conternecticus on Sat, 02 November 2024, 23:03:54
I like the stock SP mods more: it has a brown tint to it. That's according to the renders, the photo of the SP color chip for the modifiers is very hard to inspect. More IRL photos in different lighting would help.

I'll get with Ken, when he's back and get more pics, thanks!
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | Updated Renders, Kitting, Pricing, Vendors
Post by: Piperaceae on Sun, 03 November 2024, 07:48:17
It looks like the stock colors are a tad more vivid. I think personally I prefer those to the RAL.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | Updated Renders, Kitting, Pricing, Vendors
Post by: randolf_the_gray on Sun, 03 November 2024, 08:55:10
Agreed. Like the stock colors. Something new and will help with kit pricing. ☕️
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | Updated Renders, Kitting, Pricing, Vendors
Post by: linearscringe on Sun, 03 November 2024, 13:23:07
kitting looks good, colors look good

hit 'start gb' button
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | Updated Renders, Kitting, Pricing, Vendors
Post by: Ickis1337 on Mon, 04 November 2024, 09:18:18
Please add another EU vendor. Prototypist in the UK is the worst choice for everyone else in the EU because import duties have to be paid for goods from the UK. The UK has not been part of the EU for a long time. I therefore strongly suggest either Oblotzky, Delta Keys or Eloquent Clicks.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | Updated Renders, Kitting, Pricing, Vendors
Post by: Poesjuh on Mon, 04 November 2024, 12:37:33
Looks like new kitting right? Nice!

Also I second the request for an actual EU vendor that’s part of the EU. Nothing against Proto, Jae’s our Bae, but mostly due to relatively expensive shipping from the UK to the rest of Europe buying from him almost always turns out to be more expensive that straight from an EU vendor.


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Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | Updated Renders, Kitting, Pricing, Vendors
Post by: yuukou_ on Mon, 04 November 2024, 22:46:53
Quote from: Ickis1337 on Mon, 04 November 2024, 09:18:18
Please add another EU vendor. Prototypist in the UK is the worst choice for everyone else in the EU because import duties have to be paid for goods from the UK. The UK has not been part of the EU for a long time. I therefore strongly suggest either Oblotzky, Delta Keys or Eloquent Clicks.

Amended, we will be adding an EU vendor, just needed to check if it was good with SP. I will update when we have one nailed down.
I have also added new comparison images, if you have any additional feedback that is different, feel free to submit another response, just mention it in the notes section.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | Updated Renders, Kitting, Pricing, Vendors
Post by: Minisofu on Tue, 05 November 2024, 00:28:07
Love the colours chosennn, nice kitting as well. Super duper goodluck with GB !!
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | Updated Renders, Kitting, Pricing, Vendors
Post by: yuukou_ on Sat, 09 November 2024, 20:49:58
Quote from: Poesjuh on Mon, 04 November 2024, 12:37:33
Looks like new kitting right? Nice!

Also I second the request for an actual EU vendor that’s part of the EU. Nothing against Proto, Jae’s our Bae, but mostly due to relatively expensive shipping from the UK to the rest of Europe buying from him almost always turns out to be more expensive that straight from an EU vendor.


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Quote from: Ickis1337 on Mon, 04 November 2024, 09:18:18
Please add another EU vendor. Prototypist in the UK is the worst choice for everyone else in the EU because import duties have to be paid for goods from the UK. The UK has not been part of the EU for a long time. I therefore strongly suggest either Oblotzky, Delta Keys or Eloquent Clicks.

Thanks for the feedback, I have updated the post, and confirmed with my co-runner now that Eloquent Clicks will be the vendor for EU
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | Updated Renders, Kitting, Pricing, Vendors
Post by: mr_foggy on Sun, 10 November 2024, 03:57:01
Quote from: yuukou_ on Sat, 09 November 2024, 20:49:58
Thanks for the feedback, I have updated the post, and confirmed with my co-runner now that Eloquent Clicks will be the vendor for EU
thanks for the efforts in bringing an EU vendor onboard, but be aware that EC is struggling with refunds at the moment.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | Updated Renders, Kitting, Pricing, Vendors
Post by: JQ27 on Sun, 10 November 2024, 19:16:19
For the text mod kit, any ISO Enter avail?
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | Updated Renders, Kitting, Pricing, Vendors
Post by: yuukou_ on Mon, 11 November 2024, 00:38:29
Quote from: mr_foggy on Sun, 10 November 2024, 03:57:01
Quote from: yuukou_ on Sat, 09 November 2024, 20:49:58
Thanks for the feedback, I have updated the post, and confirmed with my co-runner now that Eloquent Clicks will be the vendor for EU
thanks for the efforts in bringing an EU vendor onboard, but be aware that EC is struggling with refunds at the moment.

Noted, I will make sure we talk that through with them.

Quote from: JQ27 on Sun, 10 November 2024, 19:16:19
For the text mod kit, any ISO Enter avail?

It is definitely possible, if you can, just fill out the IC form and put that in there, so that when we are going through all the feedback, we can see it easier and its all in one place.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | Updated Renders, Kitting, Pricing, Vendors
Post by: johnnythunderr on Tue, 19 November 2024, 22:12:41
Hell yeah, stoked for this one!
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | Updated Renders, Kitting, Pricing, Vendors
Post by: kwhilden on Fri, 20 December 2024, 10:22:36
So is this set going forward?  It would be my first DCS buy.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | Updated Renders, Kitting, Pricing, Vendors
Post by: BigBeetKen on Sun, 05 January 2025, 16:20:49
Quote from: kwhilden on Fri, 20 December 2024, 10:22:36
So is this set going forward?  It would be my first DCS buy.

Yes! The project is still underway. We are confirming final renders at the moment. GB start will be planned shortly after!

If you want updates in real-time, please join our discord.


-BBK
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | Updated Renders, Kitting, Pricing, Vendors
Post by: white_rabbit on Wed, 08 January 2025, 15:58:43
Hi, most of the mods in the 40s kit are texticon but base is icon only. You should switch them to icon only to match with the rest of the set
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | Updated Renders, Kitting, Pricing, Vendors
Post by: Piperaceae on Wed, 08 January 2025, 16:08:19
Quote from: white_rabbit on Wed, 08 January 2025, 15:58:43
Hi, most of the mods in the 40s kit are texticon but base is icon only. You should switch them to icon only to match with the rest of the set

There are some 1u mods that don't exist as icon-only. Enter, Shift, and Tab all need to be text+icon if they're DCS 1u.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | Updated Renders, Kitting, Pricing, Vendors
Post by: Piperaceae on Sat, 11 January 2025, 17:27:12
Coming back to correct myself - there are 1u DCS icon mods for Tab, Shift, Enter, and Back after all; DCS Paperwork used them. But the legend files for Keyboard Render Kit don't include them, so it's a little tricky to show them.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | Updated Renders, Kitting, Pricing, Vendors
Post by: norinori on Sat, 11 January 2025, 22:50:24
Oops, missed IC#2!

So glad you included the CapsLocks in the Extensions kit for those of us who aren’t fans of purse caps. Thank you for that.

A quick suggestion:
How about adding a down-arrow icon for CapsLock in the Extensions kit and a text CapsLock in the Text Mods kit?
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | Updated Renders, Kitting, Pricing, Vendors
Post by: IBMweMissU on Thu, 16 January 2025, 00:58:24
windowed CapsLock please
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | Updated Renders, Kitting, Pricing, Vendors
Post by: NihonCK on Thu, 30 January 2025, 16:50:27
Where is the update. Saw this on divinikey recently
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | Updated Renders, Kitting, Pricing, Vendors
Post by: dvorcol on Fri, 31 January 2025, 15:46:46
Quote from: NihonCK on Thu, 30 January 2025, 16:50:27
Where is the update. Saw this on divinikey recently

Good eye. Divinkey (https://divinikey.com/products/sp-dcs-cafe-keycaps) shows the GB running 7 February - 10 March and lists the same vendors that are in the OP.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | Updated Renders, Kitting, Pricing, Vendors
Post by: SP_Will on Sat, 01 February 2025, 15:00:47
I'm excited for this one to go live!
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | Updated Renders, Kitting, Pricing, Vendors
Post by: mr_foggy on Sun, 02 February 2025, 12:31:45
stepped control in base alone deserves a buy

Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | Updated Renders, Kitting, Pricing, Vendors
Post by: twitchytheinsideman on Mon, 03 February 2025, 13:11:02
Will this run using the new DCS short bar molds that SP has in the works? :p
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | Updated Renders, Kitting, Pricing, Vendors
Post by: dvorcol on Fri, 07 February 2025, 15:51:01
As of today, DCS Cafe is available from SP - https://spkeyboards.com/products/dcs-cafe

Stock colors, most kits slightly expanded.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | Updated Renders, Kitting, Pricing, Vendors
Post by: BigBeetKen on Sun, 09 February 2025, 00:40:24
Quote from: twitchytheinsideman on Mon, 03 February 2025, 13:11:02
Will this run using the new DCS short bar molds that SP has in the works? :p

Sorry for being MIA, we've been working to get this up and running. Yes! We do plan on having the convex minibars in this set as they plan on being finished by the time this GB ends.

Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | Updated Renders, Kitting, Pricing, Vendors
Post by: BigBeetKen on Sun, 09 February 2025, 00:42:18
Just in case, I'll also leave the list of vendors here but we're much more accessible via Discord: https://discord.gg/QYefG8Vp33

US: Divinikey & spkeyboards
https://spkeyboards.com/products/dcs-cafe
https://divinikey.com/products/sp-dcs-cafe-keycaps

CAN: Deskhero
https://www.deskhero.ca/products/sp-dcs-cafe-keycaps

Asia: Geonworks (posted at a later time as in-stock sales)

OCE: Cafege
 https://cafege.com.au/products/group-buy-dcs-cafe

UK: Prototypist
https://prototypist.net/products/group-buy-dcs-cafe

EU: Eloquent Clicks
https://eloquentclicks.com/products/dcs-cafe-keycaps
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | Updated Renders, Kitting, Pricing, Vendors
Post by: yuukou_ on Tue, 11 February 2025, 00:23:03
As Ken said, we've been busy with IRL and getting this all sorted, but the IC post is now up to date with the most up to date information. The group buy will be live February 7th - March 10th. We would post a separate GB thread if we could, but we are not quite at the posting requirements for the group buy section. For now, we will post major updates through this thread, during and after the GB itself, and those same updates alongside smaller granular updates, on our discord.

Thanks again everyone for the support!
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | Final Renders, Kitting, Colors & Vendors. GB live 2/7 to 3/10
Post by: phinix on Tue, 11 February 2025, 05:02:43
I forgot, was it the difference between DCS and Cherry profile?
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | Final Renders, Kitting, Colors & Vendors. GB live 2/7 to 3/10
Post by: konstantin on Tue, 11 February 2025, 09:51:16
FYI, the R1 End, PgDn keys don't need to be in the base kit since they are only ever used together with numpad keys in layouts such as 1800/CP/96-key. That's why many modern sets offer these keys as part of the numpad kit instead of base.

Additionally, the second R4 1u Ctrl is unnecessary since two 1u Ctrls are not used in any modern layouts outside of ortho 40%. In other words, this key could be moved to the 40s kit without impacting usability for anybody else.

Moving the aforementioned keys out of base would allow you to include the ever-so-popular R4 1.5u Super keys in the base kit at around the same price.


Quote from: phinix on Tue, 11 February 2025, 05:02:43
I forgot, was it the difference between DCS and Cherry profile?

They are very similar. In my experience, the biggest difference is that DCS has slightly more angled R4 keys (somewhere in between Cherry R4 and R5). Also, DCS caps are thinner than Cherry-profile caps from most manufacturers.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | Final Renders, Kitting, Colors & Vendors. GB live 2/7 to 3/10
Post by: phinix on Tue, 11 February 2025, 18:04:05
Quote from: konstantin on Tue, 11 February 2025, 09:51:16
FYI, the R1 End, PgDn keys don't need to be in the base kit since they are only ever used together with numpad keys in layouts such as 1800/CP/96-key. That's why many modern sets offer these keys as part of the numpad kit instead of base.

Additionally, the second R4 1u Ctrl is unnecessary since two 1u Ctrls are not used in any modern layouts outside of ortho 40%. In other words, this key could be moved to the 40s kit without impacting usability for anybody else.

Moving the aforementioned keys out of base would allow you to include the ever-so-popular R4 1.5u Super keys in the base kit at around the same price.


Quote from: phinix on Tue, 11 February 2025, 05:02:43
I forgot, was it the difference between DCS and Cherry profile?

They are very similar. In my experience, the biggest difference is that DCS has slightly more angled R4 keys (somewhere in between Cherry R4 and R5). Also, DCS caps are thinner than Cherry-profile caps from most manufacturers.

I see, thanks for explanation.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | Updated Renders, Kitting, Pricing, Vendors
Post by: dvorcol on Tue, 18 February 2025, 21:22:12
Quote from: BigBeetKen on Sun, 09 February 2025, 00:40:24
Quote from: twitchytheinsideman on Mon, 03 February 2025, 13:11:02
Will this run using the new DCS short bar molds that SP has in the works? :p

Sorry for being MIA, we've been working to get this up and running. Yes! We do plan on having the convex minibars in this set as they plan on being finished by the time this GB ends.

Is it 100% certain that all minibars will be convex? SP's page doesn't mention it and they aren't convex in the kit render.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cafe | Updated Renders, Kitting, Pricing, Vendors
Post by: madmax13 on Tue, 18 February 2025, 22:27:37
Quote from: dvorcol on Tue, 18 February 2025, 21:22:12
Quote from: BigBeetKen on Sun, 09 February 2025, 00:40:24
Quote from: twitchytheinsideman on Mon, 03 February 2025, 13:11:02
Will this run using the new DCS short bar molds that SP has in the works? :p

Sorry for being MIA, we've been working to get this up and running. Yes! We do plan on having the convex minibars in this set as they plan on being finished by the time this GB ends.

Is it 100% certain that all minibars will be convex? SP's page doesn't mention it and they aren't convex in the kit render.


Confirmed in SP discord. I think Richat and Cafe are the first two to get the convex bars.