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Title: [IC] RAE | ADAMAS - 65% Gasket Integrated Top Mount
Post by: raecreations.co on Thu, 12 September 2024, 05:30:38
ADAMAS

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Introducing the Adamas, the first mechanical keyboard from RAE (Refined Artistic Engineering). At RAE, our approach to design and engineering is inspired by a love for fine jewellery and attention to detail.

With guidance from our co-founder, William, a seasoned Malaysian jewellery designer, we set out to bring a touch of the diamond’s elegance and artistry into the world of mechanical keyboards. The Adamas is the result of that vision.



0. CONTENTS




1. DETAILS

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Layout options:

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2. STATUS & TIMELINE

International Raffle/ FCFS Group-Buy - December 2024


Video by Nelson Ahson - Coastal Blue


Build Stream by LightningXI - Desert Taupe


Sound Test Video by RAE - Cherry MX Black


Sound Test Video by RAE - Gateron SolDark


Sound Test Video by RAE - SWK Jeium V2





3. VENDORS & PRICING

International Raffle/ FCFS Group-Buy:


Adamas Pricing:


Addons Pricing:


Included in Kit:




4. PHOTOS

V3 Prototype - Anodised

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V3 Prototype

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5. FAQ









6. CONTACT & COMMUNITY

We love hearing from our community. If you have any questions, or feedback, please don’t hesitate to reach out!
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Title: Re: [IC] RAE | ADAMAS - 65% Integrated Top Mount
Post by: SEHWAN on Thu, 12 September 2024, 07:21:28
I will definitely participate in Raffle !!
Title: Re: [IC] RAE | ADAMAS - 65% Integrated Top Mount
Post by: lucastr on Thu, 12 September 2024, 09:02:19
500 without a pch LOLOL bro got that singa pricing
Title: Re: [IC] RAE | ADAMAS - 65% Integrated Top Mount
Post by: Silentism on Thu, 12 September 2024, 09:11:27
So this is your first post on GH, and assuming your first board ever being run. And you wanna do the sales yourself with no vendors, and you wanna run a raffle for a $500 board with no pcb? Are you aware of all these red flags LOL. Like I'm not saying you have bad intentions, I just think it *looks* sus
Title: Re: [IC] RAE | ADAMAS - 65% Integrated Top Mount
Post by: Randomlosername on Thu, 12 September 2024, 09:29:30
Oof kinda steep for no pcb and raffle ?? Sucks bc I am interested, but not even to fight for it.
Title: Re: [IC] RAE | ADAMAS - 65% Integrated Top Mount
Post by: raecreations.co on Thu, 12 September 2024, 10:30:35
I will definitely participate in Raffle !!

Thank you so much for showing support! We really do appreciate it   ;)

500 without a pch LOLOL bro got that singa pricing

Thanks for your feedback. We understand your concerns! We’ve opted for a limited run of 60 units to maintain a high level of quality control and ensure a smoother production process. Unfortunately, the smaller batch size also directly influences the cost and pricing. We hope the design and our approach resonate with you and offer value despite the higher cost.

So this is your first post on GH, and assuming your first board ever being run. And you wanna do the sales yourself with no vendors, and you wanna run a raffle for a $500 board with no pcb? Are you aware of all these red flags LOL. Like I'm not saying you have bad intentions, I just think it *looks* sus

Thank you for sharing your concerns! We do understand that this is our first release on GeekHack and that the pricing and setup might raise concerns, but we’re managing sales ourselves to provide a more direct and personal approach. The first batch of sales will also be a limited run of only 60 units to help us keep quality control high and manage production efficiently, which influences the cost. That being said, we do genuinely appreciate your feedback.

Oof kinda steep for no pcb and raffle ?? Sucks bc I am interested, but not even to fight for it.

We understand the raffle system and the PCB not being included may not appeal to everyone. The raffle system is intended to offer a fair chance to everyone interested as this first batch of sale is going to be a limited run of 60 units only. We made the decision to proceed accordingly to ensure we can manage production effectively and maintain high QC standards. This approach unfortunately also affects the overall cost. We appreciate your interest and hope that the design and process might still be appealing to you!
Title: Re: [IC] RAE | ADAMAS - 65% Integrated Top Mount
Post by: VXQN on Thu, 12 September 2024, 11:47:18
500 bux without PCB is crazy.

Also, as the keyboard is inspired by high end jewellery, I would say that you shouldn't use the generic diamond symbol you've chosen. It sort of makes the whole thing look a bit cheap because it's such a common motif. The top-down cut weight on the bottom is pretty cool though!
Title: Re: [IC] RAE | ADAMAS - 65% Integrated Top Mount
Post by: raecreations.co on Thu, 12 September 2024, 12:41:54
500 bux without PCB is crazy.

Also, as the keyboard is inspired by high end jewellery, I would say that you shouldn't use the generic diamond symbol you've chosen. It sort of makes the whole thing look a bit cheap because it's such a common motif. The top-down cut weight on the bottom is pretty cool though!

Thank you for your feedback! We understand that the price point may seem high, but it reflects in precision engineering, and meticulous design that went into the Adamas. We have also decided to proceed with a smaller drop of just 60 units to maintain a higher QC standard, which does impact the overall cost.

Regarding the diamond symbol, we truly do appreciate your input. While it may appear familiar, our design choices are meant to subtly emphasize the connection to the jewellery world. Though we're really glad to hear that you think the top-down cut external weight is cool! We’ll definitely consider all feedback moving forward to strike a better balance between the uniqueness and timelessness of our designs.

Thanks again for taking the time to share your thoughts!
Title: Re: [IC] RAE | ADAMAS - 65% Integrated Top Mount
Post by: Findecanor on Thu, 12 September 2024, 14:02:59
What is the difference between "Integrated Top Mount" and a regular "Top Mount" ?
Title: Re: [IC] RAE | ADAMAS - 65% Integrated Top Mount
Post by: Silentism on Thu, 12 September 2024, 15:28:35
$40-$48 for a plate is absolutely wild. That's double the price of average plate extras
Title: Re: [IC] RAE | ADAMAS - 65% Integrated Top Mount
Post by: xxBMAxx on Thu, 12 September 2024, 23:05:27
In this day and age you're going to have a VERY tough time trying to push a $500 board as basic as this with $40-50 plates, $60 PCB's with a simple silk and no included pcb. I think it would be best if you guys went back to the drawing board. This is a very very rough entry into the market.

There's nothing appealing or elaborate about this board whatsoever. It checks all the boxes for Safe & Easy. Aluminum, Copper, Top Mount. $500. I don't understand if you guys mean you're taking visual conception from the jewellry world and implementing it into just the design or maybe just in the craftsmanship, both?

1) Basic case design /shape.
2) Unappealing rear weight design, outlining the facets in the very least may make it slightly more interesting.
3) WTF does "Integrated" Top Mount mean? Is it simply just Top Mount? Top mounts do not move, if so, it's insanely negligible and doesn't warrant gaskets on the bottom side of each mounting point on the plate. Where did this come from? Why?
4) Clear stick on feet?
5) PCB silk feels kiddish, bland, basic, copy / paste

I think a board like this 2-3 years before covid might have met a 60 person $500 MOQ but I think you guys should seriously look around and research a bit more and see what's being pushed out easily, in-stock, insane amount of customization and included accessories + cheap extra's for at/under $200.

Title: Re: [IC] RAE | ADAMAS - 65% Integrated Top Mount
Post by: raecreations.co on Fri, 13 September 2024, 00:06:00
What is the difference between "Integrated Top Mount" and a regular "Top Mount" ?

The "Integrated Top Mount" in the Adamas keyboard combines elements of both a traditional top mount and gasket mount. We've added gaskets under the mounting tabs of the plate, which compress against the case. This offers an ever so slightly softer feel and a different sound profile compared to a standard top mount, while still remaining in the ballpark of a stiffer typing experience that many people enjoy.

$40-$48 for a plate is absolutely wild. That's double the price of average plate extras

We totally understand the concern about pricing. The higher cost is due to our plates being CNC milled, which provides a higher level of precision and finish. That said, it’s not necessary to buy the plates directly from us. We'll be releasing the plate files shortly after fulfillment, so anyone interested can custom cut their own plates at a lower cost.
Title: Re: [IC] RAE | ADAMAS - 65% Integrated Top Mount
Post by: raecreations.co on Fri, 13 September 2024, 00:34:15
In this day and age you're going to have a VERY tough time trying to push a $500 board as basic as this with $40-50 plates, $60 PCB's with a simple silk and no included pcb. I think it would be best if you guys went back to the drawing board. This is a very very rough entry into the market.

There's nothing appealing or elaborate about this board whatsoever. It checks all the boxes for Safe & Easy. Aluminum, Copper, Top Mount. $500. I don't understand if you guys mean you're taking visual conception from the jewellry world and implementing it into just the design or maybe just in the craftsmanship, both?

1) Basic case design /shape.
2) Unappealing rear weight design, outlining the facets in the very least may make it slightly more interesting.
3) WTF does "Integrated" Top Mount mean? Is it simply just Top Mount? Top mounts do not move, if so, it's insanely negligible and doesn't warrant gaskets on the bottom side of each mounting point on the plate. Where did this come from? Why?
4) Clear stick on feet?
5) PCB silk feels kiddish, bland, basic, copy / paste

I think a board like this 2-3 years before covid might have met a 60 person $500 MOQ but I think you guys should seriously look around and research a bit more and see what's being pushed out easily, in-stock, insane amount of customization and included accessories + cheap extra's for at/under $200.



Thank you for taking the time to share your detailed feedback. We completely understand that entering the market with a product like Adamas at this price point can raise questions. Every element of the board, from materials to design, was selected with a specific purpose in mind, and we’d like to offer some context to better explain our decisions.

We’re aware that the mechanical keyboard landscape is incredibly competitive, with many options offering customization and lower price points. Our goal with Adamas wasn’t to follow trends, but rather to focus on precision craftsmanship and a unique aesthetic inspired by our background in jewelry design. We welcome your input, as it helps us refine our future products and ensure we meet the expectations of the community.

To address your points:


We truly value your insights, and while we recognize Adamas may not be for everyone, we hope its design and craftsmanship will resonate with those who appreciate the finer details. Thanks again for taking the time to share your thoughts with us.
Title: Re: [IC] RAE | ADAMAS - 65% Integrated Top Mount
Post by: Silentism on Fri, 13 September 2024, 04:48:38

We totally understand the concern about pricing. The higher cost is due to our plates being CNC milled, which provides a higher level of precision and finish. That said, it’s not necessary to buy the plates directly from us. We'll be releasing the plate files shortly after fulfillment, so anyone interested can custom cut their own plates at a lower cost.


So you're making up imaginary cost for no reason other than to make more money? Are plates not just CNC'd already? At least with a laser. ffs you can get a plastic plate for like $8 on taobao, $12 for alu. When has there ever been a problem of precision to say there needs to be extra cost for precision?


  • Case Design: The minimalist case design is intentional, drawing from a refined aesthetic that mirrors high-end jewelry pieces. We understand it might not be to everyone’s taste, but we wanted a timeless, elegant design that pairs visual simplicity with craftsmanship.
  • Rear Weight: The 3D diamond-like weight is one of the key features linking the design back to our jewelry background. Though we agree that more intricate options could be explored in the future, this subtle reference was chosen to maintain a clean and cohesive look.
  • Integrated Top Mount: The "Integrated Top Mount" goes beyond the traditional top mount by introducing gaskets under the plate's mounting tabs, which compress against the case. This innovation creates a small but noticeable change in typing feel and sound, providing a slight cushioning effect without compromising the firm characteristics of a typical top mount.
  • Stick-on Feet: The transparent dome feet were chosen for their simplicity and clean appearance, complementing the overall design of the board without drawing attention away from it. While they may not appeal to everyone, they fit the minimalist aesthetic we aimed to achieve and offer a functional solution that preserves the board's visual flow.
  • PCB Silk: The PCB was designed with aesthetics in mind, and we opted for a multi-layered finish with tin immersion to create a sleek, metallic look. We find this to be a beautiful, clean design choice that aligns with the board’s overall aesthetic. We recognise that not everyone may appreciate this approach, but it was selected to harmonise with the high-end design of the Adamas.

We truly value your insights, and while we recognize Adamas may not be for everyone, we hope its design and craftsmanship will resonate with those who appreciate the finer details. Thanks again for taking the time to share your thoughts with us.

Side profile looks just like a sonnet lol. Aside from the external weight it just looks like a 65% sonnet. Like the way you describe your design is just so pretentious and says a whole lot of nothing. It even shows when your internal weight says "refined. artistic. engineering."


This innovation creates a small but noticeable change in typing feel and sound, providing a slight cushioning effect without compromising the firm characteristics of a typical top mount.[/li][/list]
lmfao. Adding a gasket right under the plate isn't doing anything when you have your plate screwed up against the top piece already. Sound-wise I feel like it'd be marginal, but I don't see how that changes the typing feel.

$500 with no pcb while cutting out reputable vendors while having no reputation of your own is just hilarious. Good luck reaching even 10 orders.
Title: Re: [IC] RAE | ADAMAS - 65% Integrated Top Mount
Post by: raecreations.co on Fri, 13 September 2024, 06:27:13

We totally understand the concern about pricing. The higher cost is due to our plates being CNC milled, which provides a higher level of precision and finish. That said, it’s not necessary to buy the plates directly from us. We'll be releasing the plate files shortly after fulfillment, so anyone interested can custom cut their own plates at a lower cost.


So you're making up imaginary cost for no reason other than to make more money? Are plates not just CNC'd already? At least with a laser. ffs you can get a plastic plate for like $8 on taobao, $12 for alu. When has there ever been a problem of precision to say there needs to be extra cost for precision?


  • Case Design: The minimalist case design is intentional, drawing from a refined aesthetic that mirrors high-end jewelry pieces. We understand it might not be to everyone’s taste, but we wanted a timeless, elegant design that pairs visual simplicity with craftsmanship.
  • Rear Weight: The 3D diamond-like weight is one of the key features linking the design back to our jewelry background. Though we agree that more intricate options could be explored in the future, this subtle reference was chosen to maintain a clean and cohesive look.
  • Integrated Top Mount: The "Integrated Top Mount" goes beyond the traditional top mount by introducing gaskets under the plate's mounting tabs, which compress against the case. This innovation creates a small but noticeable change in typing feel and sound, providing a slight cushioning effect without compromising the firm characteristics of a typical top mount.
  • Stick-on Feet: The transparent dome feet were chosen for their simplicity and clean appearance, complementing the overall design of the board without drawing attention away from it. While they may not appeal to everyone, they fit the minimalist aesthetic we aimed to achieve and offer a functional solution that preserves the board's visual flow.
  • PCB Silk: The PCB was designed with aesthetics in mind, and we opted for a multi-layered finish with tin immersion to create a sleek, metallic look. We find this to be a beautiful, clean design choice that aligns with the board’s overall aesthetic. We recognise that not everyone may appreciate this approach, but it was selected to harmonise with the high-end design of the Adamas.

We truly value your insights, and while we recognize Adamas may not be for everyone, we hope its design and craftsmanship will resonate with those who appreciate the finer details. Thanks again for taking the time to share your thoughts with us.

Side profile looks just like a sonnet lol. Aside from the external weight it just looks like a 65% sonnet. Like the way you describe your design is just so pretentious and says a whole lot of nothing. It even shows when your internal weight says "refined. artistic. engineering."


This innovation creates a small but noticeable change in typing feel and sound, providing a slight cushioning effect without compromising the firm characteristics of a typical top mount.[/li][/list]
lmfao. Adding a gasket right under the plate isn't doing anything when you have your plate screwed up against the top piece already. Sound-wise I feel like it'd be marginal, but I don't see how that changes the typing feel.

$500 with no pcb while cutting out reputable vendors while having no reputation of your own is just hilarious. Good luck reaching even 10 orders.


We’re sorry to hear that you feel this way, but the notion of us "making up imaginary costs" simply isn’t accurate. While it’s true that plates can be CNC milled or laser cut, the two processes are quite different in terms of quality. Laser cutting is more cost-effective, but it often results in sharper edges and burrs. Initially, we considered and even tested laser cut plates for a lower costing alternative as we found the cost of CNC milled plates to be high as well (approximately 3 times the cost of laser cut plates), but ultimately decided on CNC milling to provide a smoother and overall more refined finish. As mentioned earlier, we'll be releasing the plate files shortly after fulfillment as well, so anyone interested can custom cut their own plates at a lower cost.

We sincerely apologise to you and anyone else who may feel the same way if we came across as pretentious in our replies. It’s sometimes difficult to convey tone accurately in written messages, but we hope you understand that it was never our intention to come across that way. If there’s anything specific you’d like us to clarify, we’d be happy to address your questions. Regarding the "Refined Artistic Engineering" phrase, it’s not meant to sound pretentious either. It simply reflects the name of our design studio, RAE, which stands for Refined Artistic Engineering.

In terms of the gaskets, we originally planned a traditional top mount design, but after testing various prototypes, we found that adding gaskets, although a subtle change, made a distinctive difference in sound. We’re not claiming it’s a massive departure from typical top or gasket mount designs, but the improvement was noticeable enough for us to keep it in the final product. Additionally, flex cuts near the mount points above the gaskets contribute to the softer typing experience, that being said we found that keeping the gaskets in not only gave us the sound profile that we are looking for but the compression of the gasket against the mounting points also contributes to us having a more controlled and slightly stiffer typing experience, similar to that of a traditional top mount.

We truly appreciate the feedback that we have been getting thus far and we hope that we were able to address at least some of the concerns that you've raised.
Title: Re: [IC] RAE | ADAMAS - 65% Integrated Top Mount
Post by: Horu on Fri, 13 September 2024, 07:00:28
What is the difference between "Integrated Top Mount" and a regular "Top Mount" ?

The "Integrated Top Mount" in the Adamas keyboard combines elements of both a traditional top mount and gasket mount. We've added gaskets under the mounting tabs of the plate, which compress against the case. This offers an ever so slightly softer feel and a different sound profile compared to a standard top mount, while still remaining in the ballpark of a stiffer typing experience that many people enjoy.

Ok, hear me out. The plate is attached to the top case using screw, it is fixed. How does gasket underneath the plate and the screw offer a "slightly softer feel"? Does the plate even move?
Title: Re: [IC] RAE | ADAMAS - 65% Integrated Top Mount
Post by: raecreations.co on Fri, 13 September 2024, 08:20:37
What is the difference between "Integrated Top Mount" and a regular "Top Mount" ?

The "Integrated Top Mount" in the Adamas keyboard combines elements of both a traditional top mount and gasket mount. We've added gaskets under the mounting tabs of the plate, which compress against the case. This offers an ever so slightly softer feel and a different sound profile compared to a standard top mount, while still remaining in the ballpark of a stiffer typing experience that many people enjoy.

Ok, hear me out. The plate is attached to the top case using screw, it is fixed. How does gasket underneath the plate and the screw offer a "slightly softer feel"? Does the plate even move?

While the plate is fixed to the top case using screws, the gaskets underneath the plate and the mounting tabs play a crucial role in achieving the sound profile that we want and also a softer but similar typing feel.

Okay here's how it works:

There are flex cuts adjacent to the mount points above the gaskets and they contribute to most of the "softer typing experience". While it's not a huge difference from typical top or gasket mount designs, the combination of gaskets and flex cuts provided us with the sound profile and typing experience we aimed for. The gaskets, because of the compression of it against the top, help achieve a more balanced and controlled typing feel, similar to that of a traditional top mount, but with the added benefit of improved acoustics.

Basically, we sought out looking for a mount that has a similar typing feel to a traditional top mount but with a slightly softer typing experience and a more balanced sound profile, that is when we decided to add flex cuts to an already decent sounding traditional top mount that our initial prototype was designed with. But what we found in previous iterations without gaskets is that upon introducing the flex cuts and mounting tabs, the mounting tabs generated more vibration against the top case due to the flex that was introduced. To address this issue we decided to introduce the gaskets underneath the mounting points to have them compress against the top case and we found that doing so not only controlled the vibrations being generated by the plate, it also gave us the sound profile and typing feel that we sought out looking for.

Hope this helps clarify how the gaskets influence the typing experience!
Title: Re: [IC] RAE | ADAMAS - 65% Integrated Top Mount
Post by: sauvieng on Fri, 13 September 2024, 10:54:06
I love the design of the board!

Is there any chance to hear what the board sounds like without the gasket tabs and just pure top mount for comparison?

Title: Re: [IC] RAE | ADAMAS - 65% Integrated Top Mount
Post by: raecreations.co on Sat, 14 September 2024, 00:50:19
I love the design of the board!

Is there any chance to hear what the board sounds like without the gasket tabs and just pure top mount for comparison?



Thank you so much for loving the design!  :)

At the moment, we don’t have plans to conduct additional sound tests without the gasket tabs. However, we’re in the process of arranging build streams, which will give you a closer look at the board in action. We’ll be sharing updates on the scheduling through our social media platforms as soon as possible. In the meantime, perhaps you'd like to join us on our Discord server, where we’ll be posting updates and engaging with the community directly!
Title: Re: [IC] RAE | ADAMAS - 65% Integrated Top Mount
Post by: Garlic Fanatic on Sun, 15 September 2024, 06:02:07
Reading through the comments, i can understand why so many are skeptical of it. There are too many bold moves for your first project, like not including a PCB for a $500 board, and the arbitrary mounting system.

Bottom weight looks nice, but the diamond design on the back of the board and on the PCB silkscreen really does look so generic that it cheapens the whole concept of the board imo

GLWIC ig, everyone starts from somewhere after all
Title: Re: [IC] RAE | ADAMAS - 65% Integrated Top Mount
Post by: pixelpusher on Sun, 15 September 2024, 17:41:25
Very lovely board.  I like the details a lot.  I wish the brown color was slightly darker.  I have a similar color keyboard, and I've often found it hard to pair with keycaps.
Title: Re: [IC] RAE | ADAMAS - 65% Integrated Top Mount
Post by: raecreations.co on Mon, 16 September 2024, 00:34:04
Reading through the comments, i can understand why so many are skeptical of it. There are too many bold moves for your first project, like not including a PCB for a $500 board, and the arbitrary mounting system.

Bottom weight looks nice, but the diamond design on the back of the board and on the PCB silkscreen really does look so generic that it cheapens the whole concept of the board imo

GLWIC ig, everyone starts from somewhere after all

Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts and feedback. We completely understand the skepticism—being new to the scene and making unorthodox design choices comes with a lot of questions, and we welcome that.

The decision to sell the board without a PCB is intentional, as we decided to keep the quantity of units low and just enough to manage the cost of production, so that we can maintain a higher QC standard. With this being our first project launch, we're doing our best to make sure that we are able to provide the best that we possibly can.

Regarding the mounting system, we’re arranging build streams that will provide a closer look at the board in action. We hope these streams will help clarify how the mounting system works and offer more insight into its design and functionality.

We truly appreciate your input on the diamond design as well. The inspiration comes from our co-founder’s background in jewelry design, but we’ll definitely keep this in mind as we continue to grow and improve.

Thank you so much for your well-wishes, and we’re grateful for the feedback as we continue learning with each step forward.
Title: Re: [IC] RAE | ADAMAS - 65% Integrated Top Mount
Post by: raecreations.co on Mon, 16 September 2024, 00:49:52
Very lovely board.  I like the details a lot.  I wish the brown color was slightly darker.  I have a similar color keyboard, and I've often found it hard to pair with keycaps.

Thank you for your kind words about the board! We’re excited about the details too. Regarding the taupe colourway, we’re still awaiting the arrival of the anodized units. We’ll update the IC with new photos as soon as they’re available, as the final colour might look a bit different from the renders. Hopefully, the actual product will better match what you’re envisioning!

In terms of keycap pairing, we’ve found that the taupe colourway tends to match well with keycaps in earthy tones or perhaps a lighter green.  Here are our top 3 picks. Hopefully, these options will complement the keyboard that you have in a similar colour nicely!

1. GMK Sloth
2. GMK Foundation
3. GMK Dandy - Daisy

Thank you again for your feedback and support! Please feel free to reach out if you have any questions about the Adamas :D
Title: Re: [IC] RAE | ADAMAS - 65% Integrated Top Mount
Post by: NHandKeebs on Tue, 17 September 2024, 14:37:55
Beautiful board, love the curves and the weight. The raw aluminum as an option would be awesome. The price seems a bit high high but the deal breaker for me is that diamond emblem on the back of the case. It's very out of place on such a classy board. I understand you are trying to convey a certain theme but that's too gaudy and generic. I think most people will agree the board looks much better without it.
Title: Re: [IC] RAE | ADAMAS - 65% Integrated Top Mount
Post by: raecreations.co on Wed, 18 September 2024, 06:51:12
Beautiful board, love the curves and the weight. The raw aluminum as an option would be awesome. The price seems a bit high high but the deal breaker for me is that diamond emblem on the back of the case. It's very out of place on such a classy board. I understand you are trying to convey a certain theme but that's too gaudy and generic. I think most people will agree the board looks much better without it.

Thank you so much for your kind words and valuable feedback! We understand that the diamond emblem may not resonate with everyone, but we assure you that it wasn't just an afterthought. In fact it holds special meaning for us at RAE! Inspired by the craftsmanship in jewelry design, similar to how hallmark stamps are used on fine jewelry, we wanted to incorporate a signature element into the Adamas with this emblem :) we hope that sharing the context of our approach behind this decision helps it resonate with you a bit more! That said, we’ll definitely take your feedback into account as we continue refining future designs. It’s always great to hear different perspectives, so thanks again for sharing yours!
Title: Re: [IC] RAE | ADAMAS - 65% Integrated Top Mount
Post by: NHandKeebs on Wed, 18 September 2024, 16:10:06
Beautiful board, love the curves and the weight. The raw aluminum as an option would be awesome. The price seems a bit high high but the deal breaker for me is that diamond emblem on the back of the case. It's very out of place on such a classy board. I understand you are trying to convey a certain theme but that's too gaudy and generic. I think most people will agree the board looks much better without it.

Thank you so much for your kind words and valuable feedback! We understand that the diamond emblem may not resonate with everyone, but we assure you that it wasn't just an afterthought. In fact it holds special meaning for us at RAE! Inspired by the craftsmanship in jewelry design, similar to how hallmark stamps are used on fine jewelry, we wanted to incorporate a signature element into the Adamas with this emblem :) we hope that sharing the context of our approach behind this decision helps it resonate with you a bit more! That said, we’ll definitely take your feedback into account as we continue refining future designs. It’s always great to hear different perspectives, so thanks again for sharing yours!

Beautiful board, love the curves and the weight. The raw aluminum as an option would be awesome. The price seems a bit high high but the deal breaker for me is that diamond emblem on the back of the case. It's very out of place on such a classy board. I understand you are trying to convey a certain theme but that's too gaudy and generic. I think most people will agree the board looks much better without it.

Thank you so much for your kind words and valuable feedback! We understand that the diamond emblem may not resonate with everyone, but we assure you that it wasn't just an afterthought. In fact it holds special meaning for us at RAE! Inspired by the craftsmanship in jewelry design, similar to how hallmark stamps are used on fine jewelry, we wanted to incorporate a signature element into the Adamas with this emblem :) we hope that sharing the context of our approach behind this decision helps it resonate with you a bit more! That said, we’ll definitely take your feedback into account as we continue refining future designs. It’s always great to hear different perspectives, so thanks again for sharing yours!

I understand. Stamps on jewelry are typically where they can't be seen though, right? Maybe move this to the interior of the case. Id recommend taking a poll of what potential customers would prefer. For a board of this price, something small like that emblem can have big impact on sales as it's less likely to be overlooked as opposed to a kore budget friendly board. Just some thoughts, thanks!
Title: Re: [IC] RAE | ADAMAS - 65% Integrated Top Mount
Post by: raecreations.co on Thu, 19 September 2024, 01:32:24
Beautiful board, love the curves and the weight. The raw aluminum as an option would be awesome. The price seems a bit high high but the deal breaker for me is that diamond emblem on the back of the case. It's very out of place on such a classy board. I understand you are trying to convey a certain theme but that's too gaudy and generic. I think most people will agree the board looks much better without it.

Thank you so much for your kind words and valuable feedback! We understand that the diamond emblem may not resonate with everyone, but we assure you that it wasn't just an afterthought. In fact it holds special meaning for us at RAE! Inspired by the craftsmanship in jewelry design, similar to how hallmark stamps are used on fine jewelry, we wanted to incorporate a signature element into the Adamas with this emblem :) we hope that sharing the context of our approach behind this decision helps it resonate with you a bit more! That said, we’ll definitely take your feedback into account as we continue refining future designs. It’s always great to hear different perspectives, so thanks again for sharing yours!

I understand. Stamps on jewelry are typically where they can't be seen though, right? Maybe move this to the interior of the case. Id recommend taking a poll of what potential customers would prefer. For a board of this price, something small like that emblem can have big impact on sales as it's less likely to be overlooked as opposed to a kore budget friendly board. Just some thoughts, thanks!

That is also true! Alright we will definitely take your recommendations into account. Thanks again for sharing your thoughts!
Title: Re: [IC] RAE | ADAMAS - 65% Integrated Top Mount
Post by: xanserkx on Fri, 08 November 2024, 10:40:19
Nice design, GLWIC
Title: Re: [IC] RAE | ADAMAS - 65% Integrated Top Mount
Post by: raecreations.co on Fri, 08 November 2024, 11:23:47
Hi everyone! Thank you so much for your patience and feedback throughout this process. As newcomers, we’re truly grateful for the insights you’ve shared, which have been invaluable in guiding us forward. Based on the feedback received, we’ve decided to make some changes to the Adamas IC. Here’s what’s changed:
Title: Re: [IC] RAE | ADAMAS - 65% Gasket Integrated Top Mount
Post by: taeyeon.4ever on Fri, 15 November 2024, 01:01:37
With the current surge of exit scams, I don't think launching a solo debut into the market with a $500 keyboard is a sound idea. You've got no established brand reputation, no track record with deliveries. I'd strongly recommend partnering with a reputable vendor to help mitigate potential issues with manufacturing and logistics.

A few key notes:
Refined: I'd prefer if you adopted the screw placement seen on the Kohaku. If you look at your PCB, there’s a considerable space without screws on the bottom left of the board. I certainly wouldn’t expect a $500 keyboard to rely on force break tape.
Artistic: Credit where it’s due – the weight and side curves are absolutely stunning. Beautiful work!
Engineering: Why not go for a simpler weight that attaches to the bottom? It would likely reduce production costs rather than wasting such a large chunk of material, milling them all away just for the diamond weight bolted from inside the case. Also placing other metal than aluminium inside the case will cause sound differences between the alphas and mods

As someone mentioned earlier, you’re hoping for a Malaysian price tag, but your design doesn’t quite match the efficiency of a TGR or Singa. All in all, this feels more like a hobbyist’s work than an engineer’s.
Title: Re: [IC] RAE | ADAMAS - 65% Gasket Integrated Top Mount
Post by: lvl2cow on Fri, 15 November 2024, 21:26:10
LOVE the copper external weight

DON'T LOVE
that you are not in the MK Trust and Safety System
lack of daughterboard
the price
Title: Re: [IC] RAE | ADAMAS - 65% Gasket Integrated Top Mount
Post by: KenGuru on Thu, 21 November 2024, 08:30:39
Keyboard looks nice to me, but i think the pricing is too high.
Title: Re: [IC] RAE | ADAMAS - 65% Gasket Integrated Top Mount
Post by: amnesia0287 on Thu, 21 November 2024, 16:45:00
Keyboard looks nice to me, but i think the pricing is too high.

/shrug machined copper is expensive.
Title: Re: [IC] RAE | ADAMAS - 65% Gasket Integrated Top Mount
Post by: tactilesbad on Tue, 26 November 2024, 02:59:15
Keyboard looks nice to me, but i think the pricing is too high.

/shrug machined copper is expensive.
2024 and we still parroting these assumptions
neo75 CU full copper bottom in the most expensive config = $255
expensive but not 500 bucks expensive