Do this but add decent 40s kits alongside and I'll never have to buy another keycap set again.
Unrelated, but petition to replace the uggo win key with an os-agnostic text mod.
v good price :thumb:
i think you missed mod pipe in beige kit.
Do this but add decent 40s kits alongside and I'll never have to buy another keycap set again.
Unrelated, but petition to replace the uggo win key with an os-agnostic text mod.
This is a test to check the true interest of DCS if it's priced pretty cheap, if we recived a good feedback from the community, we will repeat this method with more colors and kittings.
Do this but add decent 40s kits alongside and I'll never have to buy another keycap set again.
Unrelated, but petition to replace the uggo win key with an os-agnostic text mod.
This is a test to check the true interest of DCS if it's priced pretty cheap, if we recived a good feedback from the community, we will repeat this method with more colors and kittings.
To play the devil's advocate:I'm not sure if the install base of the 2022 WoB run is big enough to boost an extension kit run. Either way, my 2 cents.
- if you ran this Intro kit as is, and then decide to run, say, a 40s extension kit down the line you limit your pool of potential buyers to those that got in on the original buy.
- if you ran this Intro kit concurrently with extension kits you would be able to get more people on board from the get-go. This comes at the cost of complicating fulfiment of course.
In my view, testing for monetary value and popularity of DCS, as a profile, on a limited base kit would yield incorrect data.
For a SP offering, inherently being expensive, the offered kits are very reasonable value indeed but the base kit is somewhat limiting even for ANSI users alone. So, a true monetary value cannot be tested against only a limited portion of the market that you are trying to test.
Popularity means when the majority agree. To properly test if DCS is a popular profile or not then either the base kit must be larger or supplementary kits should be privided at the same reasonable price. For instance, having the missing five keys for ISO UK layout support included to the base kit would have added far more participants to the experiment.
While I really appreciate the effort, I, and others like me, cannot make a purchase so the experiment yield a precise data that SP is after.
I have never heard anything negative about DCS Profile for typing on but heard so many times how expensive DCS kits are, hence unreachable to own a set or two. No experiment is needed, just drop the price and provide descent colorways in the kits people want and we would purchase them.
In my view, testing for monetary value and popularity of DCS, as a profile, on a limited base kit would yield incorrect data.
For a SP offering, inherently being expensive, the offered kits are very reasonable value indeed but the base kit is somewhat limiting even for ANSI users alone. So, a true monetary value cannot be tested against only a limited portion of the market that you are trying to test.
Popularity means when the majority agree. To properly test if DCS is a popular profile or not then either the base kit must be larger or supplementary kits should be privided at the same reasonable price. For instance, having the missing five keys for ISO UK layout support included to the base kit would have added far more participants to the experiment.
While I really appreciate the effort, I, and others like me, cannot make a purchase so the experiment yield a precise data that SP is after.
I have never heard anything negative about DCS Profile for typing on but heard so many times how expensive DCS kits are, hence unreachable to own a set or two. No experiment is needed, just drop the price and provide descent colorways in the kits people want and we would purchase them.
Forgot to mention above, all the orders from Prototypist will include a ISO-UK kit for free, thanks as always to the goat Jae
Unrelated, but petition to replace the uggo win key with an os-agnostic text mod.
any other kits? extension? uk iso? xt? maybe icon mods?
Okay I cannot unsee the off-center windows key. Pls do something about it or remove it completely.
Okay I cannot unsee the off-center windows key. Pls do something about it or remove it completely.
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Interesting. Please consider adding Alice/split support in the base kit (a second B plus short bars.) Thanks!
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Hello I am bowl
i said it in discord and i'll say it again here, please dont take away the icon winkeys, its one of the defining keys that got me wanting this set
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hey are these guys on mktrust.org i hear that's a great place to vet my vendors
Very stoked to see more DCS, especially at this price. Wanna echo concerns about US vendor though.
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Hello I am bowl
Hi bowl :)
Okay I cannot unsee the off-center windows key. Pls do something about it or remove it completely.
I respectfully disagree. The alignment is consistent, and to suggest it is a glaring issue wholly inaccurate.
I've previously fulfilled 5 public keyboard GBs and I think anyone that has ordered a keyboard fulfilled by me can vouch for the communication and transparency throughout the GB,
I've previously fulfilled 5 public keyboard GBs and I think anyone that has ordered a keyboard fulfilled by me can vouch for the communication and transparency throughout the GB,
I've just noticed my local vendor, without providing any notes on notion, moved Compact Ergo's (your keyboard) shipment date from Q4 2024 to Q1 2025. Considering the long Chinese New Year, the earliest in Q1 2025 would be sometime in February. Compact Ergo was limited to only 200 max. Compact Ergo's GB closing date was 30 June 2024, it means, it would take 8 months (or more) to make 200 keyboards. Based on this information, I must disagree with your statement, on your current record.
Speculations:
If you wish to claim you sold far more than you expected then customers were overcharged because your pricing was based on 200. If you wish to claim you changed the manufacturer in last minute, then you broke your quality promise to your customers. If you wish to blame the manufacturer for being too busy with other orders, then after 8 months of waiting, I have little to no interest or enthusiasm in receiving your keyboard anymore which it will put me off from participating in future GBs, including yours.
If the shipment date has not been changed from Q4 2024, then I humbly apologise to you.
I've previously fulfilled 5 public keyboard GBs and I think anyone that has ordered a keyboard fulfilled by me can vouch for the communication and transparency throughout the GB,
I've just noticed my local vendor, without providing any notes on notion, moved Compact Ergo's (your keyboard) shipment date from Q4 2024 to Q1 2025. Considering the long Chinese New Year, the earliest in Q1 2025 would be sometime in February. Compact Ergo was limited to only 200 max. Compact Ergo's GB closing date was 30 June 2024, it means, it would take 8 months (or more) to make 200 keyboards. Based on this information, I must disagree with your statement, on your current record.
Speculations:
If you wish to claim you sold far more than you expected then customers were overcharged because your pricing was based on 200. If you wish to claim you changed the manufacturer in last minute, then you broke your quality promise to your customers. If you wish to blame the manufacturer for being too busy with other orders, then after 8 months of waiting, I have little to no interest or enthusiasm in receiving your keyboard anymore which it will put me off from participating in future GBs, including yours.
If the shipment date has not been changed from Q4 2024, then I humbly apologise to you.
Hello and thanks for your comment, I assume you are refering to prototypist? I am not sure the reasoning behind them moving it, but I assume it's because of when they will be getting their next shipping container. Compact ergo is actually ahead of schedule and will be shipping to vendors right away at the start of November. Compact ergo did not sell 200 units, it was under. 200 units was the maximum to ensure our timeline of fulfillment in Q4. After GB closing payments to the manufacturer were paid in July and will complete production at the end of this month (4 months).
Speculation responses:
We sold under 200, the cap was there to ensure timely delivery. We are using the same manufacturer that produced the prototypes. The manufacturer has no issues with timelines.
Hope this helps! I'm happy to answer any other questions or respond to any speculation!
Edit* As the NA/Worldwide vendor I plan to have compact ergo fulfillment completed in mid December!
If I may, soldering requirement of the knob even for hotswap PCBs may have been a factor in sale performance plus the extra cost to purchase a plate other than the default alu. However, I'm truly eager to have it on my desk already, hence my dismay by Q1 2025 news.
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If I may, soldering requirement of the knob even for hotswap PCBs may have been a factor in sale performance plus the extra cost to purchase a plate other than the default alu. However, I'm truly eager to have it on my desk already, hence my dismay by Q1 2025 news.
Compact Ergo PCB designer here. The issue is that at <200 PCB quantity, having THT components soldered by the fab is dangerous and expensive because they do it with... less-than-stellar techniques. There is also the problem of shipping PCBs with a huge encoder protruding out.
While we understand the issue, we had to make the decision. The alternative would be to offer no hotswap at all.
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Compact Ergo PCB designer here. The issue is that at <200 PCB quantity, having THT components soldered by the fab is dangerous and expensive because they do it with... less-than-stellar techniques. There is also the problem of shipping PCBs with a huge encoder protruding out.
While we understand the issue, we had to make the decision. The alternative would be to offer no hotswap at all.
No, the alternative decision should had been a switch instead of a decoder, my two cent. That cluster would have these keys namely, Home, End, PgDn, and PgUp.
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Compact Ergo PCB designer here. The issue is that at <200 PCB quantity, having THT components soldered by the fab is dangerous and expensive because they do it with... less-than-stellar techniques. There is also the problem of shipping PCBs with a huge encoder protruding out.
While we understand the issue, we had to make the decision. The alternative would be to offer no hotswap at all.
No, the alternative decision should had been a switch instead of a decoder, my two cent. That cluster would have these keys namely, Home, End, PgDn, and PgUp.
Gondo already addressed that here. (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=121947.msg3180466#msg3180466) If there is any more Compact Ergo feedback, please use appropriate thread(s).
Any Canadian vendor?
hey are these guys on mktrust.org i hear that's a great place to vet my vendors
I've bought both sets, WOB and Beige. Unfortunately, I'm very disappointed with the quality. The legends are extremely wonky and have inconsistent line widths (see images). They look so bad that I'm going to return them. :( Is this expected with DCS keycaps? I have a set of DSS Dolch keycaps from Signature Plastics, which have very nice legends without such flaws.
Besides, the "beige" keycaps are actually off-white, not beige.
I've bought both sets, WOB and Beige. Unfortunately, I'm very disappointed with the quality. The legends are extremely wonky and have inconsistent line widths (see images). They look so bad that I'm going to return them. :( Is this expected with DCS keycaps? I have a set of DSS Dolch keycaps from Signature Plastics, which have very nice legends without such flaws.
Besides, the "beige" keycaps are actually off-white, not beige.
(https://i.ibb.co/dwnvsXhX/1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dwnvsXhX)