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Title: [IC] KAP Generation — a set of bright pink and translucent maroon keycaps
Post by: kapowaz on Mon, 18 November 2024, 06:16:54
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Introducing KAP Generation, the first keycap set to be produced using the new KAP Legend System (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=123746.msg3193795), created in partnership with Keyreative. The set features a striking colour combination of hot pink and translucent maroon, with a modern set of legends and some fun complementary novelty keys. KAP Generation is offered in one of two base kits: a comprehensive generic base kit with support for common ANSI and ISO layouts, as well as a German language-specific base kit. Additionally, child kits are available supporting 40% and Mac keyboards.

Interest Check Form (https://forms.gle/mpHicetoLG7PD38H7)
Discord Server (https://discord.com/channels/1085035594134061086/1247127114537242667)

Manufacturer: Keyreative
Keycaps: translucent ABS & opaque PBT doubleshot injection moulded

Vendors

North America: TBC
United Kingdom: TBC
Germany: MonacoKeys (https://monacokeys.de/en/collections/keycaps/products/kap-generation-cherry-profile-abs-pbt-double-shot-keycap-set)
Spain: Eloquent Clicks
China: Keyreative & zFrontier
Korea: Swagkeys
Japan: Yushakobo

Pricing

KAP Generation is planned to be offered as an in-stock set, with production due to commence on December 10th, shipping to vendors in mid January. Recommended retail pricing will be as follows:

Base Kit$79.00
Base Kit (German)$79.00
40s Kit$19.90
Nordic Kit$9.90
Mac Kit$12.90
Novelties Kit$14.90

Photographs

Sample keys have already been produced and photographed. Take a peep here:

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Kits

Here are the proposed available kits for this keycap set. Note that the Nordic Kit is intended to supplement the Base Kit (German), since this already includes the majority of keys required for Nordic languages.

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Many thanks to everyone who has fed into the design process fo these legends, and in particular to Keyreative in supporting my vision for this legend system. Hopefully this will be the first of many sets in a comprehensive family of high quality keycaps. I’m excited for others to finally get their hands on these keycaps!

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Title: Re: [IC] KAP Generation — a set of bright pink and translucent maroon keycaps
Post by: DirtyGingy on Mon, 18 November 2024, 07:13:50
I'm not a fan of the color combo myself, but I see a lot of potential with these molds. Good luck with the IC
Title: Re: [IC] KAP Generation — a set of bright pink and translucent maroon keycaps
Post by: MonacoKeys on Mon, 18 November 2024, 07:28:31
I'm very excited to see the first KAP set(s) in customers hands :-) Very good work on the Legends and I also like the colorway, happy to see that another option for a Red Set in ISO :D
Title: Re: [IC] KAP Generation — a set of bright pink and translucent maroon keycaps
Post by: NihonCK on Mon, 18 November 2024, 16:49:39
pyga at home
Title: Re: [IC] KAP Generation — a set of bright pink and translucent maroon keycaps
Post by: keebibi on Thu, 21 November 2024, 16:24:18
Great work with the legends! GLWIC
Title: Re: [IC] KAP Generation — a set of bright pink and translucent maroon keycaps
Post by: XiXora on Thu, 21 November 2024, 17:54:41
Love this kitting. It's very well thought out imo.
Title: Re: [IC] KAP Generation — a set of bright pink and translucent maroon keycaps
Post by: mr_foggy on Sat, 23 November 2024, 08:25:55
the mods look even worse than gmk Neue - that's an achievement
Title: Re: [IC] KAP Generation — a set of bright pink and translucent maroon keycaps
Post by: mvkb on Sat, 23 November 2024, 08:59:40
Quote from: mr_foggy on Sat, 23 November 2024, 08:25:55
the mods look even worse than gmk Neue - that's an achievement

LOL
Title: Re: [IC] KAP Generation — a set of bright pink and translucent maroon keycaps
Post by: SafeAtShore on Sat, 23 November 2024, 10:53:46
It kills me that some legends are left-aligned while others are centered.
Title: Re: [IC] KAP Generation — a set of bright pink and translucent maroon keycaps
Post by: kapowaz on Sat, 23 November 2024, 11:00:32
Quote from: SafeAtShore on Sat, 23 November 2024, 10:53:46
It kills me that some legends are left-aligned while others are centered.

Are you talking about the 1U modifiers? You think these shouldn’t be centre-aligned?
Title: Re: [IC] KAP Generation — a set of bright pink and translucent maroon keycaps
Post by: dvorcol on Sat, 23 November 2024, 15:18:43
Quote from: kapowaz on Sat, 23 November 2024, 11:00:32
Quote from: SafeAtShore on Sat, 23 November 2024, 10:53:46
It kills me that some legends are left-aligned while others are centered.

Are you talking about the 1U modifiers? You think these shouldn’t be centre-aligned?

Even 1U alt/ctrl/super/func are left-aligned, but all legends in the three arrow columns are centered. And the FN keys in both Base kits are left-aligned, but in the Mac kit they are centered. And in the German Base kit, the FN row's × is centered but the Numpad's × is left-aligned.
Title: Re: [IC] KAP Generation — a set of bright pink and translucent maroon keycaps
Post by: kapowaz on Sat, 23 November 2024, 15:39:36
Quote from: dvorcol on Sat, 23 November 2024, 15:18:43
Even 1U alt/ctrl/super/func are left-aligned, but all legends in the three arrow columns are centered. And the FN keys in both Base kits are left-aligned, but in the Mac kit they are centered.

These are all very intentional decisions I made, after trading off the various different compromises with making legends look good together. For the bottom row, consistency with each other is the most important factor. For keys in the paging and arrow clusters, alignment along a vertical axis is more important.

The reason the F-row key legends are centered for the Mac versions is because once you add an icon sublegend they look wrong if the F key legend is still left-aligned, and so I chose to horizontally align them. This isn’t an issue in itself if you’re only using all-Mac F keys or all standard ones; it’s only an issue if you mix and match them which I have to assume most people wouldn’t do.

Quote from: dvorcol on Sat, 23 November 2024, 15:18:43
And in the German Base kit, the FN row's × is centered but the Numpad's × is left-aligned.

You’re conflating two entirely different keys: one is a cross shape novelty key, the other is a numpad multiplication sign. I’ve included four shape novelties in the German base kit at the request of MonacoKeys as these keys are provided on some Keychron keyboards and they sell a lot of keys to Keychron users, so it seemed like a sensible request.

I appreciate that these choices won’t suit everyone. It’s essentially impossible to please everyone at the same time whilst trying to do something new, and not everyone is even interested in the new. I do stand by my choices though, and I’d rather hear feedback centred on practical concerns than stylistic nitpicking from people who probably aren’t going to buy this set anyway.
Title: Re: [IC] KAP Generation — a set of bright pink and translucent maroon keycaps
Post by: dvorcol on Sat, 23 November 2024, 20:22:07
Sorry my comment came across as nitpicikng. I was just sharing my interpretation of SafeAtShore's comment. Personally I like the look.
Title: Re: [IC] KAP Generation — a set of bright pink and translucent maroon keycaps
Post by: tactilesbad on Tue, 26 November 2024, 03:06:11
Quote from: kapowaz on Sat, 23 November 2024, 15:39:36
I’d rather hear feedback centred on practical concerns than stylistic nitpicking from people who probably aren’t going to buy this set anyway.

least stuck up keycap designer
Title: Re: [IC] KAP Generation — a set of bright pink and translucent maroon keycaps
Post by: kapowaz on Wed, 27 November 2024, 03:39:25
Quote from: tactilesbad on Tue, 26 November 2024, 03:06:11
least stuck up keycap designer

Thanks! Appreciated  ^-^
Title: Re: [IC] KAP Generation — a set of bright pink and translucent maroon keycaps
Post by: Reaper2507 on Tue, 11 February 2025, 14:47:32
Just got my new keycap set and here's my take:

What I Love:
-Thickness & Quality: These caps feel solid and well-made.
-Smooth Texture: Typing feels great with the smooth finish.
-ISO-DE and ANSI-DE Support: Nice to see both layouts covered.
-Colors: The modifier and key colors look awesome together.
-Packaging: The box is top-notch; unboxing was a treat.
-Font: Clean and sharp legends.


Neutral Points:
-Novelty Keycaps: Not really into the "OK Boomer" and "Poop" keys. honestly..
-Tilde Key Color: some want it deep red just add it.. (im fine without though thats why neutral)

What I Dislike:
-Double Labeling on Modifiers: Having both text and symbols feels cluttered; pick one style. this actualy prevents it from beeing a daily driver
  -Specialy R1..
- Some keys hafe Shinethrough wich i feel they should not hafe like it should be consistant in some kind of way. (i added a screenshot with super intense backlight)



Also, the darker red color is killer—right up there with GMK Dragon or Infernal, and way better than PBTfans Count Dracula.

Overall i hope i will like the doublelables i love the color
Title: Re: [IC] KAP Generation — a set of bright pink and translucent maroon keycaps
Post by: keyreative on Wed, 12 February 2025, 01:39:57
Quote from: Reaper2507 on Tue, 11 February 2025, 14:47:32
Just got my new keycap set and here's my take:

What I Love:
-Thickness & Quality: These caps feel solid and well-made.
-Smooth Texture: Typing feels great with the smooth finish.
-ISO-DE and ANSI-DE Support: Nice to see both layouts covered.
-Colors: The modifier and key colors look awesome together.
-Packaging: The box is top-notch; unboxing was a treat.
-Font: Clean and sharp legends.


Neutral Points:
-Novelty Keycaps: Not really into the "OK Boomer" and "Poop" keys. honestly..
-Tilde Key Color: some want it deep red just add it.. (im fine without though thats why neutral)

What I Dislike:
-Double Labeling on Modifiers: Having both text and symbols feels cluttered; pick one style. this actualy prevents it from beeing a daily driver
  -Specialy R1..
- Some keys hafe Shinethrough wich i feel they should not hafe like it should be consistant in some kind of way. (i added a screenshot with super intense backlight)



Also, the darker red color is killer—right up there with GMK Dragon or Infernal, and way better than PBTfans Count Dracula.

Overall i hope i will like the doublelables i love the color

Thank you for sharing and providing feedback! I believe kapowaz is also very grateful for your feedback!

Here is my explanation of the keycap structure:
- Our KAP uses small mold injection, with each keycap requiring two injection processes. In
KAP Generation, the legends are first injected, and then they are placed into the second mold for the outer shell injection.
- At this point, to allow the plastic to enter legends with closed structures such as "8" and "4," we need to add additional channels. This channel is the reason for the inconsistent light transmission appearance.
- The four semi-transparent dots at fixed positions visible from the front are to make the keycap stem more stable.
- For example, companies like GMK use dense horizontal and vertical grilles.
Title: Re: [IC] KAP Generation — a set of bright pink and translucent maroon keycaps
Post by: Reaper2507 on Wed, 12 February 2025, 03:03:49
@keyreative

Oh i actualy heared something similar with PBTFans X-Ray set but they solved it with Acryl


Thanks for the Reply and yeah - Realy nice set i anyway usaly dont turn the backlight so powerfull^^