Would it be possible for you to build a universal shipping case for it (a foam-padded, duct tape reinforced cigar box comes to mind), so that all the sinklist members could use that instead of packing it themselves every single time?
I visited the UPS website to try to calculate shipping costs and I set my location(Calgary, Alberta) to some US destination (Beverly Hills, lol). I said the weight of the thing was like a pound and the estimate came out between $60 to $140... That can't be right, I hope =/
Purolator?
You guys smuggle stuff across the border in Oil Filters?
UPS can be a rip off. Try some other services. Like Fedex, Purolator, DHL, Canada Post (probably the cheapest), etc.
Mr. Interface, do you know if there'd be a lot of shipping worldwide? Or mainly in North America? Thanks for setting this up by the way!
Uhm, what is a sinklist?
Is it where you just receive the item and once youve demoed it, you send it on to someone else?
This is pretty cool. I would probably be up for it. I have tried them all but the reds and would like to give them a go.
DHL is pretty cheap and very reliable.
:)
thanks :)
I have a green and a gray cherry I would be happy to add to the numpad if you think anyone would be interested?
I know you cant get boards of just these switches but there is nothing to stop someone buying a load and making an all green cherry keyboard!
I will PM you.
Sure will do. You don't think they should be added to the PCB? Up to you of course.
I don't think my PM sent. I will try again.
I don't quite understand what you mean.
If I added them to the numpad they too would activate and de-activate like the other keys.
The numpad itself can't be messed around with since the package also contains a buddy sheet explaining what the switches are. Here (http://www.mrinterface.com/content/sinklist-stn-switch-try-numpad) is a link to pictures of it.
If you would change it, the buddysheet would also need to be changed. I can do this, but for this to happen the numpad needs to be sent back to me in order for me to fix it.
What I meant is that I can use the switches for another project (http://www.mrinterface.com/content/sinklist-stb-switch-try-board) : the switch try Board. I want to make a second version of it and for this project I can use the two different cherry switches.
Regards.
Can i be the last one,aka i get it from somebody europe or US.Sure you can....
and i am the last person and send it back to you.
I lvie In netherlands :)
The numpad itself can't be messed around with since the package also contains a buddy sheet explaining what the switches are. Here (http://www.mrinterface.com/content/sinklist-stn-switch-try-numpad) is a link to pictures of it.
If you would change it, the buddysheet would also need to be changed. I can do this, but for this to happen the numpad needs to be sent back to me in order for me to fix it.
What I meant is that I can use the switches for another project (http://www.mrinterface.com/content/sinklist-stb-switch-try-board) : the switch try Board. I want to make a second version of it and for this project I can use the two different cherry switches.
Regards.
Sure you can....since 16 euro isn't worth to ship something..
Just PM me your name and address.
EDIT : if you are scared of high prices for shipping the items, why don't you apply for one of the other sinklist (http://www.mrinterface.com/sinklists) items?
Regards.
I would be happy to re print the list and to solder the switches in.
However if you would prefer I will just pop the switches in with the numpad.
I would not mess about with it :) I am very good at soldering etc.
I'm surprised so few people have signed up, it looks like a great test board. If possible, I would like to sign up as well. I do not post often, but I do read the board almost everyday planning my mechanical keyboard purchase. However, there is that fear that I will not like the non-returnable item that has delayed said purchase!
Thanks.
So what are the switches for the other columns? I didn't see it in the pictures, but maybe you included it in the package?I included a so called buddy sheet with the sinklist item : this tells you what the colors of the switches are, you can also read it from the pictures at my site (http://www.mrinterface.com/content/sinklist-stn-switch-try-numpad). I might make this more evident though -> there are 5 major cherry groups on there arranged in rows : black, red, blue, brown and clear.
Still can't wait... :)
Wouldnt it make sense to combine this one and the switch try board sinklists? They are basically the same thing isnt it?There is one major difference between the STN( Numpad ) and STB ( Board ) : the numpad lets you actually connect it to a computer and lets you try the switches activation points.
Combine the numpad sinklist and the stb sinklist and send it out to america (as stb is going through europe/asia first)
I included a so called buddy sheet with the sinklist item : this tells you what the colors of the switches are, you can also read it from the pictures at my site (http://www.mrinterface.com/content/sinklist-stn-switch-try-numpad). I might make this more evident though -> there are 5 major cherry groups on there arranged in rows : black, red, blue, brown and clear.
Regards.
I saw the picture of switches for the first column, so that's why I asked about the other columns. If they are arranged in rows, there are a few that don't line up: '0', '.', 'Enter', and '+'.
Thanks, I sent you a PM. I've seen a few of you videos searching google for keyboards. Where do you purchase the keyboards in your collection? You seem to get your hands on all the nice keyboards!
There is one major difference between the STN( Numpad ) and STB ( Board ) : the numpad lets you actually connect it to a computer and lets you try the switches activation points.
The reason there is an STB ( Switch Try Board ) is due to its size and weight it is much cheaper to send this around. Plus the STB contains more switches other than cherry ( 3 alps and an cherry ML switch ).It cannot be connected to a computer though, for that you need either the STN ( Switch Try Numpad ) or the STK ( Switch Try Keyboard )
Regards.
Where would you say a red/black actuates 50% down or less?
I visited the UPS website to try to calculate shipping costs and I set my location(Calgary, Alberta) to some US destination (Beverly Hills, lol). I said the weight of the thing was like a pound and the estimate came out between $60 to $140... That can't be right, I hope =/
Actually, I'd like to try this out if it's alright? It can't be good to be constantly wondering if I should get a cherry red board imported from China.:decision:
Lesson learned : bigger packages have a higher chance of disappearing when shipped internationally.
pictures are not showing up for me
Yay! Good news, the package arrived just now! :cheer2: Will take pictures and write a follow up.
Big thanks to SCAL again. :)
Hmm, a few initial thoughts:
- Apparently, I really like the feel of the Red.
- With rapid typing, I don't notice the Brown tactile point at all, so feels like a slightly heavier Red to me.
- The Clear is a lot heavier than I expected. According to Wiki, it has lower actuation force than Black, but with the nickels test, the Clear seems to match the White switch, but no click?
- The Blue seems less clicky/crispy compared to my Blackwidow. Is that normal switch wear & tear?
Since you have all this right there, could you tell me if a Brown spring on a Black stem really does feel like a Red?
I might just get the guts to rip apart 3 keyboards to make a single pseudo-Red right now.
Like I said, the brown is pretty close to red for me already in term of feel. I'm not sure how easy it is to take out the switch with the risk of breaking it...
Hello!
I am new to mechanical keyboards and to this forum. I am really interested in picking one up, but I have no idea where to try one. I looked to purchase a keypad as a sample, but they seem to go for just under £50, which is half the price of a normal mechanical keyboard!
Does anyone know where I would be able to pick up a keypad cheaply? I'm from the UK, too. I am quite tempted just to buy any mechanical keyboard and sell it on if I don't like it. I think I'd be out less money that way.
This sample keypad idea is great. I'm surprised it's not been produced by one of the keyboard manufacturers before.
Just out of curiosity, what kind of keypad is this, anyway?
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Sorry for the delay everyone, the STN has been shipped out to Mr. Perfect and should arrive within 1-3 days.
And it's here! You have to admire the efficiency of the United States Postal Service.:smile: I'll hook it up with the USB adapter and use it with a couple of games this weekend.:hat:
[Edit] Hey, was there supposed to be that little laminated card with the switch diagram on it?
NumLock key did not register for me either, but I was too focused on the actual key feel, and just forgot...
Nice review. Probably cherry clears are going to be my favourite as well.
I'll provide a print out with the key layout and switches that are not responding so the future participants are in the know.
If this comes anywhere near CO I'd love to take a look at it.
Perfect, I'm guessing you don't game that much. My double tap is like lightning lol, out of 20 double taps I'd say the blues only registered both keys 9 times, slightly under 50% of the time. I don't think this is something you'd experience as much with typing, because you rarely double tap a key. I can still see a potential typing problem when trying to hover over a key, say typing a word with two of the same letters which does not require you to move your hand. In this case, in order to type the word as fast as possible, you would try to actuate the key once, hover over the actuation point, and actuate again, possibly causing a problem with the second letter registering. Sure, you can avoid this by releasing the switch completely or conclusively above the actuation point, but that creates delay, as well as uncertainty (which is ironic because the whole point of tactility is to know when you are above, below and at the actuation point, and use this feedback to your advantage), and an uneccesary change of key pressing style. Maybe if you don't game, or don't take gaming seriously, if you can't notice the problem...well then I don't think it would really matter which keyboard you use to game with.
This pretty much confirms my fears: Clears are my favorites, followed by Blues. Guess I'll have to stick with my Filco until I can find a tenkeyless board with Clears. The MX 8100 with Clears is fun to type on, but I can't the huge footprint and the weird layout of the navigation cluster.
Will I have to pack it on my own, or I can reuse the current package*?Probably you will have to pack it on your own.
How do I know who I have to send it to*?
I'm Canadian, I would like to send it to a Canadian too so it costs less.
I'm not familiar with shipping things since I'm only 17, but I guess that my family is going to guide me through it.
By just playing around with the Clears, I find that I really like it. Since I could not wait for them to arrive, this thing has been bugging me, will there be a significant difference, with or without the keycaps on the switch?
For funzies, I didnt see anyone else take any pics with it.Show Image(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5025/5622557488_bd4677598b_b.jpg)
Once you pass the reading test it's free.
Many people don't. Usually the ones that came from OCN.
Once you pass the reading test it's free.
Many people don't. Usually the ones that came from OCN.
Hey, somebody SNITCHED on me there (http://www.overclock.net/13138447-post96.html)! If this was in my neighborhood the snitch would be DEAD!Show Image(http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/6317/douchebags.jpg)
To be honest what I meant to say was I didn't bother reading, but now that I read it I assume we get it and then pass it onto the next person. (Meaning the only cost is whatever it costs to ship it to the next guy in line.)
...and how your muscles strain more to push down the black.
So I just tried the keypad. I liked the blues and red the best. Blue felt good and I liked the feed back and Red felt good too (and the bottom out sound was nice :P). I didnt like browns and the clears/black felt inferior to the red, blue was a class of its own and I liked that. I decided to buy a mx red keyboard after all was said and done.
How'd you like the fact that I covered 100% of the box in packaging tape. (I got the idea from Lpb.) Hahaha
Any hair you found in the box was also from Lpb. :boink:
I would buy a red board if I could find one that isn't Filco. The narrowness of the keys on my brown piss me off. Thanks for the video though. You can really see the linearity of the red and black switches and how your muscles strain more to push down the black.offtopic: I got a KBC Poker with reds, would you be interested in that?
ROFL it was a pain in the ass to open. I did it very carefully and saved it all. I am sending it the same way I got it :P
PS. - hair... itchy...and gross :P
Btw, think they will let me send it in the same box?
God, I'll never have it if we keep adding new people.
God, I'll never have it if we keep adding new people.I guess we should stop bumping this thread :P
How'd you like the fact that I covered 100% of the box in packaging tape. (I got the idea from Lpb.) Hahaha
Any hair you found in the box was also from Lpb. :boink:
Now I am pondering as to what to do with it next. Might put non-cherry switches in there. Wondering if that would work with my mediocre soldering skills....Maybe some modded stuff? Ergo clears and ghetto whatevers?
Working on my FCP skills :-)
Thats weird... Youtube states : "you may have content that is owned or licensed by Symbolic Digital". I only used the internal sounds from Final Cut Pro? Now a banner pops up with every view of the vid.... :-(
Nice edit.
Watching that video inevitably gives the following ideia: if there's a lot of people in the list, then imposing a logistically good order of dispatching (overwriting the previous "first come first served" order) might achieves less overall waiting time and less overall shipping costs as well, thus speeding up the whole process, with the cost of added complexity to the system and added waiting time/shipping cost for some people (despite the total waiting time/shipping costs being lesser).
Are you still shipping it?
Is this coming back around to the US anytime soon? Cuz I would love it!
Is this coming back around to the US anytime soon? Cuz I would love it!
Several things might change for the next iteration of the Switch Try Numpad :
1. Decentralized control -> Ceesa over at deskthority.net proved this method to be pretty fast and secure ( Link here (http://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=780) ). This would mean the participants on the list will have to figure out for themselves who they send the sinklist item to. They just need to check the sinklist which I will maintain.
2. No FCFS ( First Come First Serve ) anymore. The sinklist will start sometime and participants will be added until it is sent out for the first time. The order in which the sinklist item will be sent is largely influenced by geographic constraints so the overall followed route will be close to optimal. ( Like furuya pointed out ) I already implemented this on a smaller scale ( I reordered sinklist members according to their location ).
3. The STN will have more diverse keyswitches
4. In the future I'd like to have a major sinklist item per continent , so the sinklist item stays in that continent indefinitely.
5. Sinklist item threads will be merged : this will make overall sinklist maintenance less of a hassle.
6. I will add the following requirement to participate : You PLEDGE you will send the sinklist item out to the next member within 2 days(!) after receiving it.
7. I'd like to create a website to track the sinklist items so you can see the path it followed ( from city to city detail ). Any web-developers willing to help me out with this are very welcome(!) since I lack the skills to create it myself.
Regards.
Isis con akaroundtth anim soon? zIould lovet!I don't get it... was that because I used the word "Cuz?"Quote from: DWishR;419456Is this coming back around to the US anytime soon? Cuz I would love it!
*hopes this thing shows back up* I was next in line :( Been holding off my WASDKeyboard order. Really wanna know if i'll like mx blacks or not.