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Title: [IC] Ursus - Symmetrical wkl 65%
Post by: Xanira on Sat, 24 May 2025, 01:27:48

URSUS
(УРСУС)

(https://i.ibb.co/N4r7c2w/rear-close-up-c1-2k.png)






     
Specifications



               Typing angle: 8°
               Front height: 17.75mm, adjusted 19.2mm
               Layout: 65% symmetrical wkl
               Mounting style: Sandwich o-ring
               Weight: Bead blasted stainless steel
               Middle part: Dark anodized aluminium
               Top case: Frosted poly carbonate or silver anodized aluminium
               Screws: M2x4: 8. M2x7: 8.
               Feet: Compatible with Geon 20x7mm feet









Catalogue
Google drive soon™

(https://i.ibb.co/FLgYmV0Y/Front-off-angle-c1-2k.png)

More

(https://i.ibb.co/Mk13dw7z/Front-off-angle-c2-2k.png)

(https://i.ibb.co/G4JP3VmP/rear-side-off-angle-c1-2k.png)

(https://i.ibb.co/W4BvD4C0/rear-side-off-angle-c2-2k.png)

(https://i.ibb.co/LdZPnwgL/Front-s-angle-c1-2k.png)

(https://i.ibb.co/MxQg2PPH/Front-s-angle-c2-2k.png)

(https://i.ibb.co/YBsqD2cS/bot-off-angle-c1-2k.png)

(https://i.ibb.co/ymS20f4Z/bot-off-angle-c2-2k.png)

   






Parts & Assembly

(https://i.ibb.co/jvNbCHtj/W-c1-2k.png)

More

(https://i.ibb.co/srf479q/W-B-c1-2k.png)

(https://i.ibb.co/7N8kdwb2/W-B-P-c1-2k.png)

(https://i.ibb.co/RpcxT2mq/W-B-P-c2-2k.png)

(https://i.ibb.co/N2tvVDk7/W-B-P-T-c1-2k.png)

(https://i.ibb.co/q2JGRRC/W-B-P-T-c2-2k.png)

(https://i.ibb.co/0pLh86NK/T-c1-2k.png)

(https://i.ibb.co/V0wPpwWK/T-c2-2k.png)

(https://i.ibb.co/TDrJqcqC/T-B-c1-2k.png)

(https://i.ibb.co/KjkrYQMQ/T-B-c2-2k.png/)

(https://i.ibb.co/4w8BvMf2/T-B-W-c1-2k.png)

(https://i.ibb.co/0pX5vvFp/T-B-W-c2-2k.png)










Information


     Units: 25-50 (higher if there is demand)
     Price estimate: 500-600usd (lower if more demand)
     Sales date: q2 - q3 of 2025 (tbd)

     [IMPORTANT] Please fill this form if you are interested  (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1lndByK_F-tckRE4_6Azr8GW79pxI2ZVjwt1ikWOyg_w/edit)







Updates


                          I will order a new prototype soon, if its successful, I will do a small private buy

                         Cherry + EC PCB's are in development.
                         Fiberglass case for travel is in development.

                         For details and questions: https://discord.gg/8EXjGRb4E7







Thank you for reading!



renders have been lowered in resolution on Findecanor's recommendation
Title: Re: [IC] Ursus - Symmetrical wkl 65%
Post by: Findecanor on Sat, 24 May 2025, 08:54:55
You know, you could have scaled down the images to a smaller size more suitable for publishing on the web before posting.

I'm on fast broadband and it still takes a lot of time to load. Especially considering that they are PNGs and not JPEGs.
Title: Re: [IC] Ursus - Symmetrical wkl 65%
Post by: Randomlosername on Wed, 28 May 2025, 23:15:35
DAMN. I love this. So clean and the design has such a stoic presence.
Title: Re: [IC] Ursus - Symmetrical wkl 65%
Post by: Xanira on Sat, 31 May 2025, 12:52:58
Quote from: Randomlosername on Wed, 28 May 2025, 23:15:35
DAMN. I love this. So clean and the design has such a stoic presence.

I like the big word, thank you
Title: Re: [IC] Ursus - Symmetrical wkl 65%
Post by: Rob27shred on Sun, 01 June 2025, 11:54:43
Nice, looks clean OP! About time someone else did a symmetrical WKL 65 too! I thought it would be a dominant form factor after how popular the Bauer was, but for whatever reason it didn't become one. I would love to see a Cherry styled lip on this, I think it would help break up the boxy look a little bit. Also curious to hear the sound test from the proto. The leaf spring design of the plate worries me a bit with the spacebar switch & stab cutouts being much closer to the bottom left side mounting tab than the right side. Which might negatively affect the sound of the spacebar. Hopefully it doesn't, but IME building KBs that type of setup usually makes for a weaker sounding space. Anyways GL with the proto OP, I'll be keeping an eye on this one! Been a hot min since a 65% interested me & this one definitely caught my eye.
Title: Re: [IC] Ursus - Symmetrical wkl 65%
Post by: Xanira on Sun, 01 June 2025, 14:11:06
Quote from: Rob27shred on Sun, 01 June 2025, 11:54:43
Nice, looks clean OP! About time someone else did a symmetrical WKL 65 too! I thought it would be a dominant form factor after how popular the Bauer was, but for whatever reason it didn't become one. I would love to see a Cherry styled lip on this, I think it would help break up the boxy look a little bit. Also curious to hear the sound test from the proto. The leaf spring design of the plate worries me a bit with the spacebar switch & stab cutouts being much closer to the bottom left side mounting tab than the right side. Which might negatively affect the sound of the spacebar. Hopefully it doesn't, but IME building KBs that type of setup usually makes for a weaker sounding space. Anyways GL with the proto OP, I'll be keeping an eye on this one! Been a hot min since a 65% interested me & this one definitely caught my eye.

Thank you so much for the kind words. The symmetrical WKL 65% is my favorite layout, so maybe I'm a bit ignorant for that reason, but I'm also surprised that its not more popular than it is. I would like to do a model with a cherry lip design to see how it looks. My biggest concern about making the front with a cherry lip, is that the stance of the keyboard, with the straight 90 degree angle from the front against the angled rear, might not be as severe, but that's just me ranting. I would love to try it out, I might just end up being proven wrong. As for the plate design, I have also had some bad experiences with mounting points around the spacebar switch/stabilizer area. My theory (don't take anything i say as the absolute truth lol) is that because this mounting style has less pressure on one point as well as being spaced out a fair bit from the main portion of the plate, compared to something like a traditional top mounted plate, it wont cripple the sound in the same way. Either way, We will find out with the new prototype. I'll probably also find a bunch of other small things to improve as well. I will be posting a sound test of the prototype here if it lives up to my expectations and i get the sound i want out of it. I wont be doing an EC sound test right away, as I'm just going to be using a spare MX PCB I have, that supports the layout.
Once again, thank you so much for both the kind words and the feedback, its super helpful to hear from other people with their own experience
Title: Re: [IC] Ursus - Symmetrical wkl 65%
Post by: zegonix on Mon, 02 June 2025, 03:50:51
i don't understand why you call it 'symmetric'. the picture with the plate looks like a regular 65% layout to me. can you elaborate?
Title: Re: [IC] Ursus - Symmetrical wkl 65%
Post by: Xanira on Mon, 02 June 2025, 04:25:19
Quote from: zegonix on Mon, 02 June 2025, 03:50:51
i don't understand why you call it 'symmetric'. the picture with the plate looks like a regular 65% layout to me. can you elaborate?

well i guess if you want to look at it from a purely technical point of view, it cant ever be truly 'symmetric' on a 65% keyboard. Traditionally 65% WKL designs had the usual smaller 0.5u blocker on the right, with a regular 1u WKL blocker on the left. Whereas the newer "symmetrical" variant has two 0.75u blockers instead, while utilizing the same bottom row keys as most commonly used in 60% and tkl WKL, with a 7u space and 1.5u alt/ctrl keys. It doesnt really make for more functionality, but it looks better for those of us who prefer WKL in a 65% format.

Linked is the WKL ver. of the e6.5, which has a more traditional 65% WKL layout (coincidentally taken by Rob27shred) https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=43865.0;attach=227764;image
Title: Re: [IC] Ursus - Symmetrical wkl 65%
Post by: zegonix on Mon, 02 June 2025, 08:15:12
ah i see, thanks for the explanation.
on first reading the term, i expected another row of 1u keys to the left or something :)
Title: Re: [IC] Ursus - Symmetrical wkl 65%
Post by: Rob27shred on Mon, 02 June 2025, 11:34:20
Quote from: zegonix on Mon, 02 June 2025, 08:15:12
ah i see, thanks for the explanation.
on first reading the term, i expected another row of 1u keys to the left or something :)

You know what a 65% set up like that with another row to left but not separated like a XT row would be more symmetrical now that you say that. Hmm definitely a good ideal for a future design!
Title: Re: [IC] Ursus - Symmetrical wkl 65%
Post by: Xanira on Mon, 02 June 2025, 12:58:37
Quote from: Rob27shred on Mon, 02 June 2025, 11:34:20
Quote from: zegonix on Mon, 02 June 2025, 08:15:12
ah i see, thanks for the explanation.
on first reading the term, i expected another row of 1u keys to the left or something :)

You know what a 65% set up like that with another row to left but not separated like a XT row would be more symmetrical now that you say that. Hmm definitely a good ideal for a future design!

I wonder how that would be done without messing with the other rows. maybe with a ISO left shift or some other slightly obscure kitting. It could be a really cool idea imo
Title: Re: [IC] Ursus - Symmetrical wkl 65%
Post by: Rob27shred on Mon, 02 June 2025, 15:43:24
Quote from: Xanira on Mon, 02 June 2025, 12:58:37
Quote from: Rob27shred on Mon, 02 June 2025, 11:34:20
Quote from: zegonix on Mon, 02 June 2025, 08:15:12
ah i see, thanks for the explanation.
on first reading the term, i expected another row of 1u keys to the left or something :)

You know what a 65% set up like that with another row to left but not separated like a XT row would be more symmetrical now that you say that. Hmm definitely a good ideal for a future design!

I wonder how that would be done without messing with the other rows. maybe with a ISO left shift or some other slightly obscure kitting. It could be a really cool idea imo

Oh yeah there would definitely have to be some fudging of the layout for it to not look funky, just though it was a pretty cool ideal too!
Title: Re: [IC] Ursus - Symmetrical wkl 65%
Post by: zegonix on Tue, 03 June 2025, 06:39:15
before the terminology gets to weird i would like to correct my statement.
of course i meant ".. another COLUMN to the left .."
Title: Re: [IC] Ursus - Symmetrical wkl 65%
Post by: Xanira on Thu, 05 June 2025, 18:29:45
Quote from: Rob27shred on Sun, 01 June 2025, 11:54:43
I would love to see a Cherry styled lip on this, I think it would help break up the boxy look a little bit.

I "sent" a dm to you here on geekhack, but when i check "sent messages" it doesnt show up, so im not sure if its sent or not (or if im able to send messages at all) so to sum it up; I did a small remodel of the top case with a cherry lip. I am not personally a fan of how it changes the silhouette of the board, however, if you end up being interested in joining the private group buy (or public if it ends up happening) I would not mind doing a 1 off (+ a couple extra for replacement and to keep) if it can be done within a reasonable price range

Heres what it looks like in comparison:
(https://i.imgur.com/ZmphOQa.png)(https://i.imgur.com/9hYA14Q.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/1PNrQFY.png)(https://i.imgur.com/KbKPIuT.png)