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Title: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3 | FINAL KITTING! (2025-08-27)
Post by: yoonelec on Thu, 17 July 2025, 07:17:25
(https://i.imgur.com/jBk0Wba.jpeg)



1st IC FORM (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdyzxr9DdMmCITXvi9_BWYz1AsN6W9CU9sUoUQIjgj9gQadnA/viewform?usp=header)
2nd IC FORM (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeNV-LwQTS9XEnxoMTfhTFvciJV5QSkaCpvfXvaKvDxq4k5Kg/viewform?usp=header)
DISCORD (https://discord.gg/zSMZUKjYaw)



Hello!

This is YoonELEC, and with permission from Gupgup, who ran R2,
I’m excited to announce the third round of DCS Cream Cheese and Green.
I’m sure there are people who have been waiting for this set—it’s great to meet you all!

Before I got into custom keyboards, I first came across this colorway through the FILCO Majestouch Convertible 2.
Later, when I started exploring the custom keyboard hobby, I discovered this keycap set and had always admired it.
Unfortunately, since it was released so long ago, it was nearly impossible to find one in good condition.

That’s when I had the idea—why not run a third round myself and finally get a brand-new set into my own hands?

For this Round 3, I’ve simplified the kit composition while still doing my best to maintain compatibility
with the wide variety of keyboard layouts available on the market.

I also added red accent keycaps this time—I thought they paired really well with the set!

Please share your feedback through the IC form (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdyzxr9DdMmCITXvi9_BWYz1AsN6W9CU9sUoUQIjgj9gQadnA/viewform?usp=header) and on my Discord (https://discord.gg/zSMZUKjYaw) channel!

Let’s work together to bring this beautiful keycap set back into the world.



Specs

Profile
DCS

Manufacturer
Signature Plastics

Production Method
ABS Doubleshot & Pad Printing

Legend Font
Gorton/Wyse

Color
Signature Plastics color palette - WCK(alphas), VBQ(modifiers), RA(Accents)



Revised Kits

(https://i.imgur.com/Nhnnl4z.jpeg)
* The legend on the stepped Caps Lock and the side legends on the Print Screen and Pause will be pad printed.
* Added Terminal ISO support following the participation of the EU vendors.
* Integrated some red accent keycaps into the kit (the additional cost is minimal).
* Added R4 End for 65% layout support.

(https://i.imgur.com/h3RqpDG.jpeg)
* Integrated a red accent Enter into the kit (the additional cost is minimal).
* Added R1 =

(https://i.imgur.com/9B7ImFs.jpeg)
* Renamed the existing Extensions Kit to Chives Kit.
* The legend on the shine-through keycaps will be pad printed.

(https://i.imgur.com/HlUphbG.jpeg)
* Collected most of the keycaps requested by the community to create a new Extensions Kit.
* Some of these were intended to be included in the base kit, but the cost increase was excessive.

(https://i.imgur.com/YJBheZR.jpeg)
* Removed the red accent keycaps (including them in the kit would have made it too expensive).
* Revised the kitting overall.

(https://i.imgur.com/pCzMDgt.jpeg)
* This kit will be sold exclusively through ProtoTypist.


Initial Kits

More
(https://i.imgur.com/Q95u3Yb.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/KewFE2J.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Loje4i5.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/PlCbBOg.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/tzR0CTa.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/VtzEbSY.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/g90HMCx.jpeg)




Renders

Piggy60 by JACKY DESIGN
(https://i.imgur.com/mlOjw6x.jpeg)

G80-3000 by Cherry
(https://i.imgur.com/nvLhw2s.jpeg)

Frog Mini by Geonworks
(https://i.imgur.com/814Z0Fy.jpeg)

F1-40 722 by Geonworks
(https://i.imgur.com/BEzBQxL.jpeg)

Dusk67 by KBDfans
(https://i.imgur.com/9OBKsgZ.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/rnXVCdY.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/9D0OPi3.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/rCGPkky.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/C58GJHB.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/I4lxIbW.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/m4b6xl2.jpeg)



Vendors

Lead Vendor
US: NovelKeys

Regional Vendors
KR: GEONWORKS
SG: ktechs
OCE: SwitchKeys
CA: Mino Keys
UK: ProtoTypist
EU: Oblotzky



Pricing

TBA



Special thanks to:

Gupgup for the kind permission to proceed with Round 3
keebibi and GEON for helping me prepare this IC
MY-FI for helping me kitting 40s kit
its.hYMN for the amazing renders



1st IC FORM (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdyzxr9DdMmCITXvi9_BWYz1AsN6W9CU9sUoUQIjgj9gQadnA/viewform?usp=header)
2nd IC FORM (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeNV-LwQTS9XEnxoMTfhTFvciJV5QSkaCpvfXvaKvDxq4k5Kg/viewform?usp=header)
DISCORD (https://discord.gg/zSMZUKjYaw)
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 17 July 2025, 13:45:41
Approval :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3
Post by: Rob27shred on Thu, 17 July 2025, 14:23:56
Count me in, this a classic set I wish I would've picked up back in the day too! GLWIC! :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3
Post by: twitchytheinsideman on Thu, 17 July 2025, 14:43:43
GLWIC
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3
Post by: boku on Thu, 17 July 2025, 14:57:09
Ty for keeping all the funny original keys and offering shinethrough! More DCS reruns like this please
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3
Post by: Trackpoint on Thu, 17 July 2025, 15:01:52
Nice to see this return. Base kit should have an R4 End.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3
Post by: speedycake on Thu, 17 July 2025, 15:05:51
consider text only caps lock please
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3
Post by: Rob27shred on Thu, 17 July 2025, 15:21:10
Quote from: speedycake on Thu, 17 July 2025, 15:05:51
consider text only caps lock please

What do you mean? This set screams pursed caps lock! :p
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3
Post by: ZavaZ86 on Thu, 17 July 2025, 15:21:56
Crazy that we still do no terminal iso in basekit. But also being forced to now buy uk iso keys too is just filthy
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3
Post by: Kokaloo on Thu, 17 July 2025, 17:40:41
Crazy that we still do no three key in basekit. But also being forced to now buy full 40s kit too is just filthy
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3
Post by: Faraday on Thu, 17 July 2025, 17:46:28
I’m so in. I’ll buy 2 sets if you cut iso completely
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Thu, 17 July 2025, 19:46:43
I’m not gonna say ansi bottom row is filthy but it seems like those who’d buy this probably tsangan/wkl
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3
Post by: my-fi on Thu, 17 July 2025, 20:14:15
awesome!!!
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 17 July 2025, 20:19:18
Great news.  A classic returns!  Not a fan of the accent red, but I’ll definitely pick up a base set
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3
Post by: OrinNYC on Thu, 17 July 2025, 21:50:04
Amazing!
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3
Post by: 1manny on Thu, 17 July 2025, 21:58:10
pls no purse, nice set otherwise
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3
Post by: madmax13 on Thu, 17 July 2025, 23:19:51
Good luck with the interest check, I am a fan of the purse lock and hope you keep it.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3
Post by: yoonelec on Thu, 17 July 2025, 23:48:49
Quote from: speedycake on Thu, 17 July 2025, 15:05:51
consider text only caps lock please

Ok I’ll consider including the text-only Caps Lock keys(plain, stepped) in the extension kit
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3
Post by: yoonelec on Thu, 17 July 2025, 23:51:41
Quote from: Trackpoint on Thu, 17 July 2025, 15:01:52
Nice to see this return. Base kit should have an R4 End.

Could it be replaced with an R4 Fn keycap?
My goal is to keep the base kit as simple and minimal as possible.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3
Post by: dcsenjoyer on Fri, 18 July 2025, 00:20:05
Consider nipple F and J
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3
Post by: XR6 on Fri, 18 July 2025, 00:58:29
Quote from: ZavaZ86 on Thu, 17 July 2025, 15:21:56
Crazy that we still do no terminal iso in basekit. But also being forced to now buy uk iso keys too is just filthy
Cry about it :D I wanted UK support for years and nobody ever did even though it was only 6 extra keys
We had to buy whole norde kits just for 6 caps, so I don't know what the problem is.. it's not like you're going without
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3
Post by: ggggggg on Fri, 18 July 2025, 02:05:51
Just a heads up, your renders show concave minibars - SP has convex molds for all bars smaller than 6u now, too. And I'm gonna sound like a broken record, but your 1.25u, 1.5u and 1.75u bars in the 40s kit are useless if you don't include another set of 1.25 / 1.5 /1.75. Boards use them in pairs.

Glwic
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3
Post by: just.hymn on Fri, 18 July 2025, 02:32:11
GLWIC!!!
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3
Post by: yoonelec on Fri, 18 July 2025, 03:49:20
Quote from: ggggggg on Fri, 18 July 2025, 02:05:51
Just a heads up, your renders show concave minibars - SP has convex molds for all bars smaller than 6u now, too. And I'm gonna sound like a broken record, but your 1.25u, 1.5u and 1.75u bars in the 40s kit are useless if you don't include another set of 1.25 / 1.5 /1.75. Boards use them in pairs.

Glwic

Thank you so much for letting me know! I’ll make sure to adjust that when I revise the kit layout based on the IC results later.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3
Post by: twitchytheinsideman on Fri, 18 July 2025, 04:55:36
please keep the funny OG legends
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3
Post by: yoonelec on Fri, 18 July 2025, 05:13:21
Quote from: twitchytheinsideman on Fri, 18 July 2025, 04:55:36
please keep the funny OG legends

Could you give me an example?
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3
Post by: Piperaceae on Fri, 18 July 2025, 06:42:18
I love the pursed Caps Lock keys. And I'm always glad to see UK ISO offered. I'd like to see at least terminal ISO (ISO Enter, 1.25u shift, less/greater and R3 pipeslash) in the base, so if the UK kit didn't meet MOQ, there'd at least be physical coverage available for ISO boards. And for folks who needed UK keys, the UK kit would be a little smaller/cheaper.

Another suggestion would be that you could force accents for the Esc and Enter keys in the 40s kit to reduce its size - forced 40s accents are pretty common.

For the 40s kitting, the 1.75u R4 Lock key is rarely used anymore, and could be cut; most recent 40s kits omit it. In its place, a R2 1.25u Backspace key would be handy, as would be a 1.5u Shift, since there aren't any of those included. And as someone else mentioned, 2x of each spacebar size in the 40s, since they're used in pairs.

Someone's already mentioned that all DCS bars are convex now. I think that's everything that stands out to me - looks good! GLWIC!
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3
Post by: aa212121 on Fri, 18 July 2025, 14:03:54
Would love a 10U! so many WCK sets but none offered a 10U.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3
Post by: keebibi on Fri, 18 July 2025, 15:43:21
GLWIC!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3
Post by: Poesjuh on Fri, 18 July 2025, 15:52:48
Very nice.
Would love to see a mod colored pipe in the set (or add-on kit).
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3
Post by: madmax13 on Fri, 18 July 2025, 15:55:10
GLWIC!
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3
Post by: Faraday on Fri, 18 July 2025, 16:53:47
also voicing my support for keeping the purse, its cute
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3
Post by: iwobobul on Fri, 18 July 2025, 22:02:32
Renders so good I had to comment just for that, who did them? This attention to detail inspires confidense IMO.

Any chance there will be a 10MOQ monomods option?
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3
Post by: blacksimon on Sat, 19 July 2025, 11:20:45
I expected this:
(https://i.imgur.com/Y7XUB1J.jpeg)



I am upset
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3
Post by: SwitchKeys on Sun, 20 July 2025, 16:54:57
Crazy good. The accents actually work really well.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3
Post by: yoonelec on Mon, 21 July 2025, 04:49:25
Quote from: iwobobul on Fri, 18 July 2025, 22:02:32
Renders so good I had to comment just for that, who did them? This attention to detail inspires confidense IMO.

Any chance there will be a 10MOQ monomods option?

I commissioned the renders from its.hYMN.
By the way, what is monomods?
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3
Post by: madmax13 on Mon, 21 July 2025, 15:39:26
Quote from: yoonelec on Mon, 21 July 2025, 04:49:25
Quote from: iwobobul on Fri, 18 July 2025, 22:02:32
Renders so good I had to comment just for that, who did them? This attention to detail inspires confidense IMO.

Any chance there will be a 10MOQ monomods option?

I commissioned the renders from its.hYMN.
By the way, what is monomods?

Monomods are, for example, on the num row, instead having 1 and !, it just has 1 the same height as the normal alphas. Common in 40s.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3
Post by: yoonelec on Mon, 21 July 2025, 20:03:12
Quote from: madmax13 on Mon, 21 July 2025, 15:39:26
Monomods are, for example, on the num row, instead having 1 and !, it just has 1 the same height as the normal alphas. Common in 40s.

So it’s kind of like text-only modifiers?
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3
Post by: madmax13 on Mon, 21 July 2025, 23:11:15
The best example is this- in every one of the alphas that has an alternate function when you shift + X...like / is ? when you hit shift.....monolegends only show the "top level" or, in rare cases, "alternate" characters.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3
Post by: smshark on Tue, 22 July 2025, 12:33:29
Probably needs clarifying what "monomods" are because Omni is the only one who has used "mono" to mean "single legend" afaik. DCS Solarized Dark, Oblivion runs, and others have used "mono" to mean that the mods have the same legend color as the alphas (these are sets where mods are normally multi-color).

Because neither of those make a ton of sense in this instance, I'd guess they mean green-on-cream cheese modifiers to give the option to kit a board entirely with cream cheese base + green legends
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3 | Lead Vendor Announced!
Post by: yoonelec on Mon, 28 July 2025, 07:35:10
Lead vendor and regional vendors have been announced!
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3
Post by: konstantin on Mon, 28 July 2025, 09:15:30
Crazy that we still do no basic 65%/75% support in basekit. But also being forced to now buy child kits and still not get 65%/75% compat is just filthy

Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3 | Lead Vendor Announced!
Post by: f4d3 on Mon, 28 July 2025, 15:45:38
Hey, I actually have an r1 set and I’m missing a few keys. I was wondering if it’s possible to buy the specific missing keys?
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3 | Lead Vendor Announced!
Post by: twitchytheinsideman on Mon, 28 July 2025, 15:55:38
Quote from: f4d3 on Mon, 28 July 2025, 15:45:38
Hey, I actually have an r1 set and I’m missing a few keys. I was wondering if it’s possible to buy the specific missing keys?

You'd probably have to do it through SP. Spoiler: It's going to be cheaper to just buy an entire base kit in GB than buying one-offs of a handful of keycaps.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3
Post by: yoonelec on Mon, 28 July 2025, 19:56:17
Quote from: konstantin on Mon, 28 July 2025, 09:15:30
Crazy that we still do no basic 65%/75% support in basekit. But also being forced to now buy child kits and still not get 65%/75% compat is just filthy

  • Funny copypasta and all, but in all seriousness, please include R4 End and 4-key terminal ISO in base for the love of god. Having R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn too would be ideal, but it's fine if you add those to extensions instead.
  • You should add mod-colored R2 1.5u \| to base, since there's already a mod-colored R1 1u `~ key. Alternatively, if you really want to keep the base kit slim, put both of them in extensions (but I'd still recommend the former option).
  • I'd drop the white R1 1u Geekhack key if I were you: I don't see it being very useful as an alpha-colored key.
  • A second 2.25u Shift should also be added to extensions, to support 660-style layouts.
  • Numpad kit could use a R1 1u = key.
  • Spacebar kit should have both 2c and 2.25c spacekeys. Optionally, a single 1.25c can be included too.
  • 40s kit is pretty bloated and kind of outdated. I recommend taking Piperaceae's advice (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=125390.msg3206833#msg3206833) on this.
  • I personally think the Windows keys in extensions are a waste of space and plastic, but you do you :)

Thank you for the feedback! I’ve actually already revised the kitting and requested a quote from SP
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3 | Lead Vendor Announced!
Post by: tulaine on Tue, 29 July 2025, 13:05:46
In for sure, I love this set!
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3 | Regional Vendors Added! (2025-07-30)
Post by: Poesjuh on Wed, 30 July 2025, 09:08:55
Looks like this base kit is going to be skinny af and the extension kit will have all the things people that don't use a wkl tkl actually want.

I love that we see more DCS, big fan of it, but hate that with each set the base kits are just getting more and more garbage.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3 | Regional Vendors Added! (2025-07-30)
Post by: Antoxa on Wed, 30 July 2025, 09:20:27
for the 40% format there are no "delete" or "backspace". Great color combination  ;)
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3
Post by: konstantin on Thu, 31 July 2025, 12:33:31
Quote from: yoonelec on Mon, 28 July 2025, 19:56:17
Thank you for the feedback! I’ve actually already revised the kitting and requested a quote from SP
  • Would it be too much of a stretch to use an R4 Fn key instead of R4 End? In return, I’ll include R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn in the Extensions kit too(the original Extensions kit has been renamed to the Decorations kit)
  • As you suggested, I’ll likely go with Terminal ISO instead of a full ISO kit. However, I’m still debating whether to include it in the Base kit or the Extensions kit. I’ll get a quote from SP first and then discuss it with the EU vendor
  • I’m planning to move the mod-colored R1 1u `~ key to the Extensions kit, along with the matching R2 1.5u | key
  • I’ll also be adding a second 2.25u Shift key to the Extensions kit
  • The 40s kit will be revised as well
  • Lastly, the Windows keys have been part of the kit since R1, so I think it would be difficult to remove them entirely

Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3 | Regional Vendors Added! (2025-07-30)
Post by: Piperaceae on Thu, 31 July 2025, 13:00:02
Just an FYI, the kitting here is a bit out of date; I've seen a newer draft, and it looks like a lot of this will be fixed for the GB.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3 | SECOND IC OPENED! (2025-08-01)
Post by: yoonelec on Thu, 31 July 2025, 19:24:54
The second IC form is now live — just before the kitting is finalized!

2nd IC FORM (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeNV-LwQTS9XEnxoMTfhTFvciJV5QSkaCpvfXvaKvDxq4k5Kg/viewform?usp=header)


(https://i.imgur.com/Zb3kgdJ.jpeg) (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=125390.0)
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3
Post by: yoonelec on Fri, 01 August 2025, 21:13:55
Quote from: konstantin on Thu, 31 July 2025, 12:33:31
Quote from: yoonelec on Mon, 28 July 2025, 19:56:17
Thank you for the feedback! I’ve actually already revised the kitting and requested a quote from SP
  • Would it be too much of a stretch to use an R4 Fn key instead of R4 End? In return, I’ll include R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn in the Extensions kit too(the original Extensions kit has been renamed to the Decorations kit)
  • As you suggested, I’ll likely go with Terminal ISO instead of a full ISO kit. However, I’m still debating whether to include it in the Base kit or the Extensions kit. I’ll get a quote from SP first and then discuss it with the EU vendor
  • I’m planning to move the mod-colored R1 1u `~ key to the Extensions kit, along with the matching R2 1.5u | key
  • I’ll also be adding a second 2.25u Shift key to the Extensions kit
  • The 40s kit will be revised as well
  • Lastly, the Windows keys have been part of the kit since R1, so I think it would be difficult to remove them entirely

  • It would be, because a lot of people prefer to put the R4 1u Fn on the bottom row instead of the right column. Also, a Home–PgUp–PgDn–End column is just as (if not more) common than *–Delete–PgUp–PgDn and Delete–PgUp–PgDn–Fn.
  • Keep in mind that 40s support also depends on there being a 1.25u Shift in the base kit. Splitting ISO off into separate kits is kinda inconvenient, plus you may have to add another 1.25u Shift to the 40s kit. Either 4-key terminal ISO or ISO-UK support in base is pretty standard among SP sets.
  • Quote from: Poesjuh on Wed, 30 July 2025, 09:08:55
    Looks like this base kit is going to be skinny af and the extension kit will have all the things people that don't use a wkl tkl actually want.
    ^
  • Re Windows keys: This set currently doesn't have 2× 1.5u Super and a second 1u Alt for Mac layouts, so maybe offer that alongside the Win keys? (I'd still drop the 1u ones, though.)

You’ll see that a lot has been improved in this second IC. Could you take a look? Please ignore the minibars in the What kit — they’ll be removed in the final version.


(https://i.imgur.com/Zb3kgdJ.jpeg) (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=125390.0)
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3 | Lead Vendor Announced!
Post by: Rob27shred on Sat, 02 August 2025, 10:30:06
Quote from: f4d3 on Mon, 28 July 2025, 15:45:38
Hey, I actually have an r1 set and I’m missing a few keys. I was wondering if it’s possible to buy the specific missing keys?

SP might offer single keys after the GB as that is something they do often with their in house designed sets. It is expensive though, $5 a pop even for a 1u key. I learned this the hard way filling out an incomplete set of DCS Midnight I acquired.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3 | SECOND IC OPENED! (2025-08-01)
Post by: nessMINI on Mon, 04 August 2025, 20:59:02
no 4th row "end"? wait what?
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3 | SECOND IC OPENED! (2025-08-01)
Post by: yoonelec on Mon, 04 August 2025, 21:25:11
Quote from: nessMINI on Mon, 04 August 2025, 20:59:02
no 4th row "end"? wait what?
R4 End is included in the Base Kit presented in the second IC!


(https://i.imgur.com/Zb3kgdJ.jpeg) (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=125390.0)
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 08 August 2025, 23:11:02
Quote from: yoonelec on Fri, 01 August 2025, 21:13:55
You’ll see that a lot has been improved in this second IC. Could you take a look? Please ignore the minibars in the What kit — they’ll be removed in the final version.

Hey, I've taken a look at the updated kitting, and it looks pretty good to me. However, with this configuration, you'd be missing split spacebar and Alice layout support — that would require adding an extra B key, as well as 2c + 2.25c + 2.75c spacekeys, to either the base kit or the extensions kit. Forcing people to buy the 40s kit to get that compatibility is not a viable option, imo. Speaking of which, I think the 40s kit could benefit from further reductions; but I'm not the target audience for that, so you'd best be off consulting the folks over in the 40% Discord server.

Since this set is posed to run with SP, have you considered offering both split-kit and monokit options? This would entail simultaneously running the current configuration with split kits together with a monokit that includes only the most commonly used keys (not unlike a typical GMK base kit). If my understanding is correct, SP has been preferring this combined approach with their recent sets. I suggest talking to them about that.

Edit: The numpad kit is still missing a R1 = key.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3 | SECOND IC OPENED! (2025-08-01)
Post by: hicals on Tue, 19 August 2025, 11:28:29
Please consider excluding switchkeys from the list of vendors in the future, as they are a vendor that deceives customers

I would like to advise everyone to be extremely cautious when purchasing anything from switchkey
I ordered a Cloudline V2 at the end of March and waited four long months before finally receiving it at the end of July.
My initial excitement quickly turned to disappointment: within 5 seconds of unboxing, I noticed a visible dent on the bottom case.
I immediately emailed switchkey to inform them of the issue and requested a replacement bottom case.
They offered me 50 AUD as compensation, which I declined, insisting instead on a replacement—even at my own shipping cost—because I wanted an A-grade keyboard.
switchkey replied that they had no replacement stock and told me to return the product for a refund. I agreed.
However, they then demanded that I cover round-trip international shipping, which exceeded 100 USD.
I understand that QC errors can happen.
However, charging the customer for switchkey’s own QC mistake is completely unreasonable.
I insisted again that switchkey cover the return shipping, but they refused.
It became clear to me that they are exploiting the difficulty of international returns to deter refunds,
essentially shifting the cost of their own QC failure onto the customer.
In my view, switchkey knowingly shipped the defective bottom case, fully aware it wouldn't meet A-grade standards,
and used their return policy to make it impractical for the customer to send it back.
They even claimed the dented bottom case falls within their QC spec-in, which shocked me.
To be certain, I emailed JJW, the keyboard designer, and asked whether the unit I received was A-grade.
He confirmed it was somewhere between A- and B grade.
That says everything.
I strongly discourage anyone from buying from a site that can’t even properly distinguish between A and B-grade keyboards.
Thank you.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3 | SECOND IC OPENED! (2025-08-01)
Post by: zhol on Wed, 20 August 2025, 16:15:59
Quote from: hicals on Tue, 19 August 2025, 11:28:29
Please consider excluding switchkeys from the list of vendors in the future, as they are a vendor that deceives customers

if this is how you react to a machining mark of that size on the underside of a case i don't want to know how you're going to react when you see the dcs keycap skirts and legend consistency
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3 | FINAL KITTING! (2025-08-27)
Post by: yoonelec on Tue, 26 August 2025, 19:40:16
The final kitting has been revealed! I would greatly appreciate it if you could review it for any errors.


(https://i.imgur.com/Zb3kgdJ.jpeg) (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=125390.0)
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3 | FINAL KITTING! (2025-08-27)
Post by: konstantin on Thu, 28 August 2025, 05:31:08
Quote from: yoonelec on Tue, 26 August 2025, 19:40:16
The final kitting has been revealed! I would greatly appreciate it if you could review it for any errors.

Hey, so the base kit is about as bare-bones as it gets, although I can understand why you chose to have it that way (SP pricing is hardly ideal). I suspect a large percentage of buyers will need at least some keys from the extensions kit, which kind of defeats the purpose of having a cheaper base kit. What do the IC response stats look like in terms of % just base kit vs. % base + extensions (not counting other kits)?

If I were you, I'd swap the two GeekHack novelties from base with 1u Ctrl and one 1u Alt from extensions. The former two keys are optional, while the latter two are pretty essential for many 60%, 65%, 75%, 1800/CP as well as 40% layouts. I would highly recommend including them in the base kit. Additionally, making this replacement ought not to require a re-quote, as the unit count per kit would stay the same.

Alternatively, if you're dead set on having a GH novelty in base, you could move F13 to extensions (since the green GH key can substitute for it) in order to make room for 1u Ctrl, 1u Alt. Also, unless this is a personal preference of yours, I'd drop the white GH key — pretty much no one I know uses alpha-colored novelties, especially not on R1.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3 | FINAL KITTING! (2025-08-27)
Post by: GG-Bond on Sun, 31 August 2025, 16:10:49
This reminds me of a keycap set from years ago, the Green and White set from Filco. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Cream Cheese and Green R3 | FINAL KITTING! (2025-08-27)
Post by: GG-Bond on Sun, 31 August 2025, 16:12:52
Maybe that old Filco set was called something like cream cheese and green, but I can’t quite remember lol.