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Title: [IC]烟Smoke - 65% keyboard
Post by: SENSY LAB on Fri, 22 August 2025, 00:06:45
烟Smoke
SENSY

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Hello everyone, this is SENSY. We are a new studio from China. In 2024, our core members XINGZHI and QIN collaborated with VERTEX to release our debut work "Seal". Moving forward, SENSY will operate independently to bring you new designs.

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This keyboard draws inspiration from XINGZHI's favorite song, Deep Purple's Smoke on the Water. The song's core elements—smoke, water, fire—inspired us to create a keyboard with rich curves and surfaces, breaking traditional symmetry. That's why we chose the inherently asymmetrical 65% layout.

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Let's dive into the details.

Basic Info

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Layout: 65%

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Size: 320.1 x 124.6 x 38.4mm

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Mounting: Top mount

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Weight (assembled): ≈2.1-2.2kg

Given the weight, we've switched to custom oval rubber feet instead of 8mm round ones, based on user feedback.

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Typing Angle: 9°
Front height: FH=18.5mm/EKH=22.5mm (excluding rubber feet)
Front frame width: 10.5mm (including front slope)

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The front height features an asymmetrical curved design, akin to early ergonomic keyboards from brands like Microsoft. For this asymmetrical 65% layout, we shifted the center of gravity to the F/J key center, using complex curved surfaces to achieve ergonomics without widening the front frame. The overall design language also follows this shifted axis.Thanks to the 3-layer, screwless external design, the front height stays under 20mm (Front height is 18.5mm, with a 13.5mm low point in the ergonomic slope). This allows for a lower curved front edge matching the ergonomic arc.

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Side profiles boast complex curves for seamless 4-sided connections, meeting G3 continuity standards. The top cover has a raised curved design, no pure flat surfaces here. Kudos to our engineers for devising a variable-curvature surface to replace tricky corner chamfers, solving the issue of connecting irregular curves.

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These complex side curves extend to the cable port side, with a weight transition using two cut surface changes.

Materials & Craftsmanship

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Manufacturing: DDS (Dadesin)
Case: Aluminum (anodized or electrostatic coating)
Weight: Sandblasted Brass/ Sandblasted Copper/Stainless Steel (All with AF coating)
Mid frame: PEI, original color with knife pattern
Nameplate: PVD SS / Damascene Ti / Damascene Cu
Pate: Anodized Aluminum Plate / PEI (original color with knife pattern)

PCB Support

Single-mode, compatible with Vial. Offering WK and WKL options.

Soldered

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Hotswap

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Other Details

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On ISO

Three team members are vintage keyboard enthusiasts with over 3 tons in collection. Yet, we see no need for ISO in 65% layouts.
The middle frame's reinforcing ribs and filling design (with a complete logic) would be compromised by ISO support. Thus, we skip ISO but retain popular features like split backspace.

(https://i.imgur.com/xe9yjUz.jpeg)

On the 1U Upper-Right Key

Our favorite 65% keyboards (and our engineer's preference) omit this 1U Delete key. The complex top cover design also makes it unnecessary. So, we've scrapped the planned 1U key.

Assembly Experience

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We'll include custom magnetic perforated screws and a magnetic screwdriver to avoid issues with the 3-layer structure, like issues such as screw detachment/getting stuck or similar problems. Responding to market feedback, we're switching to a magnetic scheme to resolve cable length/softness problems.

Structural Design

Enhanced Top Mount

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Engineers opted for 3 upper + 2 lower fixing points (common in 60% keyboards), which performed well in prototypes and will be used in production.
Smoke uses soft buffers: 70a and 90a options. Engineers adjusted buffer design to minimize torsional deformation during screwing, ensuring stability.

Mid Frame with Built-in Force Break

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We favor 3-layer, screwless designs and now the brass middle frame has also become quite popular. But personally speaking, we don't have a particularly strong preference for brass middle frames. especially with a heavy weight. XINGZHI proposed a transparent hard resin middle frame to echo "smoke on the water":
•   The weight represents "water," so the translucent frame evokes "smoke."
•   It isolates top and bottom cases, acting as a Force Break.
•   The hard resin's insulation lets us thicken the frame, reducing cavities for better filling.
Common Force Break designs risk increasing cavities or gaps. Our middle frame solution passed stress tests and prototyping. PEI was chosen over low-value PEEK or soft, deformable PC—our first mass-produced PEI middle frame.

4mm Plate (Optional)

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Once popular, 4mm plates are less common due to complex design needs (early brass versions often caused finger fatigue). However, their filling effect and consistency outshine 1.5mm plates. Our engineers designed an optimized 4mm plate with improved support and logic, available as an option.

What's Included

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•   Aluminum top and bottom cases + weight x1
•   Badge set (1 large, 1 small) x1
•   Internal aluminum badge x1
•   PEI middle frame set x1
•   Plate x1
•   PCB x1
•   Magnetic DB x1
•   70a + 90a buffer blocks x5
•   Rubber feet set x1
•   Carrying case x1
•   Outer box, T6/T8 Torx screwdrivers, instruction manual, etc.

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Color Options

Anodized (7 options)

Black

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silver

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red

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green

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blue

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purple

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brown

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Coating (1 option)

White

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Accessory Options

Weight

Sandblasted brass AF

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Sandblasted copper AF

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Stainless steel AF

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Badge

PVD SS (Gold/Rose Gold/Gunmetal)

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Damascene Ti

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Damascene Cu

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Plate

1.5mm aluminum plate (silver/black)

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4mm PEI plate

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Vendors

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Clickclack
Zfrontier
Swagkeys
iLumkb
Toro Studio
Unikeys
Increasing...

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How to follow news of the Smoke

Follow our or vendors’ Instagram and Discord for updates.

(https://i.imgur.com/r63Y2RH.png) (https://discord.gg/MTDwf3JP)

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Title: Re: [IC]烟Smoke - 65% keyboard
Post by: meowoofun on Fri, 22 August 2025, 21:49:44
The blue anode with the stainless steel weight looks absolutely gorgeous!
Title: Re: [IC]烟Smoke - 65% keyboard
Post by: Randomlosername on Fri, 22 August 2025, 22:01:04
holy crap I need this rn.
Title: Re: [IC]Smoke - 65% keyboard
Post by: MartinThePolarBear on Fri, 22 August 2025, 23:47:49
This looks really really good. Can a vendor that is actually located in the United States be added as an option? Novelkeys, Divinikey, Cannonkeys, and BowlKeyboards to name a few. This is especially important considering Trump's Tariffs are in full effect moving forward

Title: Re: [IC]Smoke - 65% keyboard
Post by: SENSY LAB on Fri, 22 August 2025, 23:51:40
This looks really really good. Can a vendor that is actually located in the United States be added as an option? Novelkeys, Divinikey, Cannonkeys, and BowlKeyboards to name a few. This is especially important considering Trump's Tariffs are in full effect moving forward

ok,we will ask bowl
Title: Re: [IC]Smoke - 65% keyboard
Post by: MartinThePolarBear on Sat, 23 August 2025, 00:54:07
This looks really really good. Can a vendor that is actually located in the United States be added as an option? Novelkeys, Divinikey, Cannonkeys, and BowlKeyboards to name a few. This is especially important considering Trump's Tariffs are in full effect moving forward

ok,we will ask bowl
Thank You!


Title: Re: [IC]烟Smoke - 65% keyboard
Post by: Gemmmmmmmmmmmmmy on Sat, 23 August 2025, 00:58:17
This is gorgeous DAMNNNNNNNNNNNN
Title: Re: [IC]Smoke - 65% keyboard
Post by: kentdo10 on Sat, 23 August 2025, 04:15:06
This looks really really good. Can a vendor that is actually located in the United States be added as an option? Novelkeys, Divinikey, Cannonkeys, and BowlKeyboards to name a few. This is especially important considering Trump's Tariffs are in full effect moving forward

They both ship out of China, so they gonna result in the same tariff regardless. But Clickclack which air-ship directly from China will have the board arrive at your doorstep much quicker no?
Title: Re: [IC]Smoke - 65% keyboard
Post by: MartinThePolarBear on Sat, 23 August 2025, 04:25:39
This looks really really good. Can a vendor that is actually located in the United States be added as an option? Novelkeys, Divinikey, Cannonkeys, and BowlKeyboards to name a few. This is especially important considering Trump's Tariffs are in full effect moving forward

They both ship out of China, so they gonna result in the same tariff regardless. But Clickclack which air-ship directly from China will have the board arrive at your doorstep much quicker no?

Actually no it doesn't ship much quicker when CC is the vendor and the tariff is not the same since it's 30% for businesses who move inventory well over 800 vs 55% for me who would be ordering directly. Also, shipping would be cheaper up front since it would be USPS/UPS Ground shipping. But even then it's also a matter of customer service. I'd rather deal with a vendor who's in the US and communicates during normal american hours who can provide after sales support without the need of waiting weeks for a replacement part to be shipped and delivered. CC's QC isn't the best (every board I've gotten from them has had PCB issues (so I've always needed to get 3+ PCBs from them). I'm happy to join this GB through a vendor like Bowl whose been fantastic in communication, fulfillment, and follow-up.
Title: Re: [IC]Smoke - 65% keyboard
Post by: kentdo10 on Sat, 23 August 2025, 04:37:51
This looks really really good. Can a vendor that is actually located in the United States be added as an option? Novelkeys, Divinikey, Cannonkeys, and BowlKeyboards to name a few. This is especially important considering Trump's Tariffs are in full effect moving forward

They both ship out of China, so they gonna result in the same tariff regardless. But Clickclack which air-ship directly from China will have the board arrive at your doorstep much quicker no?

Actually no it doesn't ship much quicker when CC is the vendor and the tariff is not the same since it's 30% for businesses who move inventory well over 800 vs 55% for me who would be ordering directly. Also, shipping would be cheaper up front since it would be USPS/UPS Ground shipping. But even then it's also a matter of customer service. I'd rather deal with a vendor who's in the US and communicates during normal american hours who can provide after sales support without the need of waiting weeks for a replacement part to be shipped and delivered. CC's QC isn't the best (every board I've gotten from them has had PCB issues (so I've always needed to get 3+ PCBs from them). I'm happy to join this GB through a vendor like Bowl whose been fantastic in communication, fulfillment, and follow-up.

ah yeah, I was just curious on the Tariff lmaooo Orange boi really f**k everyone up with his Tariff lol
Title: Re: [IC]Smoke - 65% keyboard
Post by: MartinThePolarBear on Sat, 23 August 2025, 04:39:45
This looks really really good. Can a vendor that is actually located in the United States be added as an option? Novelkeys, Divinikey, Cannonkeys, and BowlKeyboards to name a few. This is especially important considering Trump's Tariffs are in full effect moving forward

They both ship out of China, so they gonna result in the same tariff regardless. But Clickclack which air-ship directly from China will have the board arrive at your doorstep much quicker no?

Actually no it doesn't ship much quicker when CC is the vendor and the tariff is not the same since it's 30% for businesses who move inventory well over 800 vs 55% for me who would be ordering directly. Also, shipping would be cheaper up front since it would be USPS/UPS Ground shipping. But even then it's also a matter of customer service. I'd rather deal with a vendor who's in the US and communicates during normal american hours who can provide after sales support without the need of waiting weeks for a replacement part to be shipped and delivered. CC's QC isn't the best (every board I've gotten from them has had PCB issues (so I've always needed to get 3+ PCBs from them). I'm happy to join this GB through a vendor like Bowl whose been fantastic in communication, fulfillment, and follow-up.

ah yeah, I was just curious on the Tariff lmaooo Orange boi really f**k everyone up with his Tariff lol

Yuuuup
Title: Re: [IC]Smoke - 65% keyboard
Post by: Randomlosername on Sat, 23 August 2025, 09:40:09
This looks really really good. Can a vendor that is actually located in the United States be added as an option? Novelkeys, Divinikey, Cannonkeys, and BowlKeyboards to name a few. This is especially important considering Trump's Tariffs are in full effect moving forward

ok,we will ask bowl

In Bowl we trust fr.
Title: Re: [IC]烟Smoke - 65% keyboard
Post by: azhdar on Sun, 24 August 2025, 00:45:54

On ISO

Three team members are vintage keyboard enthusiasts with over 3 tons in collection. Yet, we see no need for ISO in 65% layouts.
The middle frame's reinforcing ribs and filling design (with a complete logic) would be compromised by ISO support. Thus, we skip ISO but retain popular features like split backspace.


I can't even come close to comprehend what this means ?

In what way is ISO not working/compatible with 65% keyboard.

If you were speaking about and HHKB I could understand.


Title: Re: [IC]烟Smoke - 65% keyboard
Post by: SENSY LAB on Sun, 24 August 2025, 05:04:42

On ISO

Three team members are vintage keyboard enthusiasts with over 3 tons in collection. Yet, we see no need for ISO in 65% layouts.
The middle frame's reinforcing ribs and filling design (with a complete logic) would be compromised by ISO support. Thus, we skip ISO but retain popular features like split backspace.


I can't even come close to comprehend what this means ?

In what way is ISO not working/compatible with 65% keyboard.

If you were speaking about and HHKB I could understand.

we believe ISO is unnecessary for 65%.so when there is a conflict between ISO and structure,we choose to give up ISO
Title: Re: [IC]烟Smoke - 65% keyboard
Post by: azhdar on Sun, 24 August 2025, 08:02:11

On ISO

Three team members are vintage keyboard enthusiasts with over 3 tons in collection. Yet, we see no need for ISO in 65% layouts.
The middle frame's reinforcing ribs and filling design (with a complete logic) would be compromised by ISO support. Thus, we skip ISO but retain popular features like split backspace.


I can't even come close to comprehend what this means ?

In what way is ISO not working/compatible with 65% keyboard.

If you were speaking about and HHKB I could understand.

we believe ISO is unnecessary for 65%.so when there is a conflict between ISO and structure,we choose to give up ISO

smh, how hard is it to add 2 cuts into a plate...